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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #800 on: March 2, 2012, 03:10:22 PM »
Luis Suarez star of the World Cup, Copa America player of the tournament. The Luis Suarez nominated for the Ballon D'or. The one who won player of the month for us probably 3 or 4 months in a row.

Are people Is someone seriously bitching about signing him?


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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #801 on: March 2, 2012, 03:11:07 PM »
Luis Suarez star of the World Cup, Copa America player of the tournament. The Luis Suarez nominated for the Ballon D'or. The one who won player of the week for us probably 3 or 4 months in a row.

Are people seriously bitching about signing him?

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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #802 on: March 2, 2012, 03:11:43 PM »
They paid down our debt didn't they? That's a hell of a start a new stadium would be the 2nd thing I'd love. Not really looking for money blown on players
the club was a bargain ;) the cost of purchasing it was the practically the cost of clearing the debt
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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #803 on: March 2, 2012, 03:22:23 PM »
what is his assist and strike rate? did any other club try to bid for him when we came in only at 18m - 22m? did you know even ajax fans admitted his low conversion strike rate? can he dribble like torres? can he strike from anywhere like torres? does he have pace like torres? yes, suarez showed potential and promise in the beginning, but at this stage of the season, the proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #804 on: March 2, 2012, 03:26:59 PM »
I hope that FSG invest some of their own money as up till this point, all money that has been spent I think has been the clubs own money.

Think this is just a very lazy statement, when they have already made over 100M available to the manager to recruit players. Yes the money was generated by selling some players which we would have to do anyway if they gave Kenny 100M of their own money to go buy players so it doesn't really matter. Our problem is that our big signings have not delivered bar Suarez to an extent.
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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #805 on: March 2, 2012, 03:27:48 PM »


FFS came in here to read something enlightening about our transfer policy and got bogged down with fucking whining about the loss of a 50 million pound striker who has a whopping 2 goals and 3 assists in 21 appearances.

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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #806 on: March 2, 2012, 03:33:59 PM »
Think this is just a very lazy statement, when they have already made over 100M available to the manager to recruit players. Yes the money was generated by selling some players which we would have to do anyway if they gave Kenny 100M of their own money to go buy players so it doesn't really matter. Our problem is that our big signings have not delivered bar Suarez to an extent.

I don't dispute in the slightest they made money available. All I said was that they didnt invest any of their own money in players yet, is that really such an outlandish statement?

I'd be willing to bet if I had 10k posts none of you would make issue with it. Ilooked at this forum for a while, and seen many people say the same as I have and none of them have been pulled up.
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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #807 on: March 2, 2012, 03:35:07 PM »
FFS came in here to read something enlightening about our transfer policy and got bogged down with fucking whining about the loss of a 50 million pound striker who has a whopping 2 goals and 3 assists in 21 appearances.

Remember though, that was 50M worth of entertainment that the fans have lost  :lmao
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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #808 on: March 2, 2012, 03:38:56 PM »
I don't dispute in the slightest they made money available. All I said was that they didnt invest any of their own money in players yet, is that really such an outlandish statement?

I'd be willing to bet if I had 10k posts none of you would make issue with it. Ilooked at this forum for a while, and seen many people say the same as I have and none of them have been pulled up.

Don't get all n00b syndrome on us. I didn't even see how many posts you had before I started questioning what you said.
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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #809 on: March 2, 2012, 03:39:53 PM »
There was a very good debate about this here.
They probably won't deficit spend, after all they've said so explicitly, but I then really don't see us breaking into top 4 anytime soon.
We had a single major transfer window last summer, the one that should have propelled us forward somewhat and we made a sweet mess out of it wasting at least 30% of those funds on overpaying. After this summer everything will be much clearer and I believe it will leave many feeling a bit depressed.
Yeah think we really messed up in the summer but we can make up ground, they have increased the clubs revenue with the clubs Warrior deal hopefully that could be an extra quality player. We still have some players who would fetch a decent fee in the market we can afford to let go.
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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #810 on: March 2, 2012, 03:42:51 PM »
Funny how many people seem to think that the club employs a network of scouts so that we can just go out and blow silly money on whoever is on the cover of the latest edition of Shoot!, FourFourTwo or FIFA.

That's not how this club works. It's not even how Chelsea works, and they don't have to worry about cash. It might be how City has worked for the last year or so, but it probably won't be for long. Only Real Madrid have done this regularly, and it hasn't actually been all that successful for them.

How much did we spend net last summer? 30-40m? Add in a bit more from the Warrior deal, (possibly) lower wage bill, higher ticket prices, a few other deals Ian Ayre's pulled off (tesco was one, sure there were a couple others, nothing as big as the kit deal, but they add up) then take off what we've lost by not being in the Europa this season.

It's unlikely we'll be paying out more than 40m net. That's fine. We can get two world class players for that and a couple of upgrades funded by sales. Same thing next year. And so on. It's about strengthening what we have. Some people here like to have a cry and whinge about last summer's signings, but the club are happy with them. Same people used to moan about Lucas, now moaning that we don't have any backup for him.

People even saying Enrique is shit now.

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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #811 on: March 2, 2012, 03:49:32 PM »
I don't dispute in the slightest they made money available. All I said was that they didnt invest any of their own money in players yet, is that really such an outlandish statement?

I'd be willing to bet if I had 10k posts none of you would make issue with it. Ilooked at this forum for a while, and seen many people say the same as I have and none of them have been pulled up.
So is it your opinion that the 100M spent wasn't enough or that we didn't spend it wisely?
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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #812 on: March 2, 2012, 03:57:55 PM »
Funny how many people seem to think that the club employs a network of scouts so that we can just go out and blow silly money on whoever is on the cover of the latest edition of Shoot!, FourFourTwo or FIFA.

That's not how this club works. It's not even how Chelsea works, and they don't have to worry about cash. It might be how City has worked for the last year or so, but it probably won't be for long. Only Real Madrid have done this regularly, and it hasn't actually been all that successful for them.

How much did we spend net last summer? 30-40m? Add in a bit more from the Warrior deal, (possibly) lower wage bill, higher ticket prices, a few other deals Ian Ayre's pulled off (tesco was one, sure there were a couple others, nothing as big as the kit deal, but they add up) then take off what we've lost by not being in the Europa this season.

It's unlikely we'll be paying out more than 40m net. That's fine. We can get two world class players for that and a couple of upgrades funded by sales. Same thing next year. And so on. It's about strengthening what we have. Some people here like to have a cry and whinge about last summer's signings, but the club are happy with them. Same people used to moan about Lucas, now moaning that we don't have any backup for him.

People even saying Enrique is shit now.

Have to laugh at them.

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While most of your post is correct you cannot say last summer signings were value for money. The way we overpaid for players was not just unnecessary but irresponsible and I really believe it has been one of the reasons our big signings haven't performed very well. I bet if we signed Carroll for 10M the press wouldn't have had him under the microscope and he would have not had the big weight on his shoulders.

What's done is done, it wouldn't really be smart to scrap what we did in the summer rather build on it.

If we can afford to spend 30M net next summer we can probably raise 10M from player sales and sign a top winger and a goalscorer then if need be get Keita on a free for 2 years and send Shelvey and maybe Spearing on loan
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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #813 on: March 2, 2012, 04:04:20 PM »
Strange that, this morning on the radio, Comolli was reported as saying fans shouldn't expect big changes or expenditure this summer.  It's rather at odds with what he said after the Carling Cup Final, that top players are interested in joining us.  Is he simply trying to clarify his previous words to manage our expectations or did he blurt out too much on Sunday and trying to backpeddle?

These days you can't really trust the club to be entirely honest over transfers, which is okay in my book given the way the shit media reports and there are vulture clubs out there ready to pounce and gazump any deal you may be trying to tie up.

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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #814 on: March 2, 2012, 04:06:49 PM »
Strange that, this morning on the radio, Comolli was reported as saying fans shouldn't expect big changes or expenditure this summer.  It's rather at odds with what he said after the Carling Cup Final, that top players are interested in joining us.  Is he simply trying to clarify his previous words to manage our expectations or did he blurt out too much on Sunday and trying to backpeddle?

These days you can't really trust the club to be entirely honest over transfers, which is okay in my book given the way the shit media reports and there are vulture clubs out there ready to pounce and gazump any deal you may be trying to tie up.

It all depends on how the rest of the season pans out i'm sure. Reaching the champions league would provide means (revenue) and opportunity (for players) to test his theory that players all over Europe are watching this project closely.
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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #815 on: March 2, 2012, 04:07:42 PM »
It might just be selective quoting. On another forum a lad said that Comolli said we're after a couple of quality players this window, instead of 6 or 7 additions.

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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #816 on: March 2, 2012, 04:08:08 PM »
Strange that, this morning on the radio, Comolli was reported as saying fans shouldn't expect big changes or expenditure this summer.  It's rather at odds with what he said after the Carling Cup Final, that top players are interested in joining us.  Is he simply trying to clarify his previous words to manage our expectations or did he blurt out too much on Sunday and trying to backpeddle?

These days you can't really trust the club to be entirely honest over transfers, which is okay in my book given the way the shit media reports and there are vulture clubs out there ready to pounce and gazump any deal you may be trying to tie up.

First statement: Top players want to come to LFC
Second statement: We will not be spending on so many players only adjustments will be done

Two statements have nothing to do with eachother
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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #817 on: March 2, 2012, 04:16:19 PM »
the club was a bargain ;) the cost of purchasing it was the practically the cost of clearing the debt

Yeah but there were still only 2 potential buyers - one of which we were lead to believe wasn't desirable anyway. Essentially FSG paid market value for the club.

i admireyour optimism but if you honestly believe we will finish even in the top 6 this year , then you my friend (im at pains to say this ) are deluded.

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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #818 on: March 2, 2012, 04:17:15 PM »
I don't dispute in the slightest they made money available. All I said was that they didnt invest any of their own money in players yet, is that really such an outlandish statement?

I'd be willing to bet if I had 10k posts none of you would make issue with it. Ilooked at this forum for a while, and seen many people say the same as I have and none of them have been pulled up.

You have mental problems man.

Financially, at least, Henry/FSG have not put one foot wrong yet.
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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #819 on: March 2, 2012, 04:27:06 PM »
One of those 'top players' may well be Keita, who we could already be talking to as he is in the last 6 months of his contract, and who will have probably had overtures from multiple clubs. So the whole statement from DC could just be that Keita's agent said he thought it was great we had won something and would be in Europe next year.

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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #820 on: March 2, 2012, 04:33:22 PM »
Jovanovic is on a permanent deal isn't he - I'd imagine he got a nice golden hand shake to move, hence the reason our 'agent fee's' were so high. I expect Cole will get a similar seven figure golden handhsake which hopefully we can off set with a transfer fee...

Exactly.  This is exactly the kind of transaction that gets tallied up as a "profit" when people are analysing our transfers, and it's so far from the truth it's untrue.

We probably paid Cole and his agent a good 3-4 million as a signing bonus.  Then we paid him 90k per week for a season (4.5 million).  Now we're paying him 60k a week (best guess, according to reports) to play for someone else for a season (another 3 million).  At the end of the season, we'll have him under contract for another two years at that same 4.5 million per year price.  Hopefully, we get lucky and Lille are willing to pay 5 million or so to buy him permanently, and we can offer most of that back to him as a golden handshake to let us out of the 9 million we still owe him on his current contract.  Since he will be getting a new contract with whomever buys him, probably for 2-3 million per year, you'd have to think he would take 3-4 million from us and call it even.

So, in the end, we will have paid out roughly 14.5 million to him, and brought in 5, for a net loss of almost 10 million on a player who only played for us one year, and was rubbish.  A total disaster.  But to the fans who only look at the transfer fees, it will read as a 5 million pound profit - after all, he was free and then we sold him for 5 million!  Hodgson is a genius!
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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #821 on: March 2, 2012, 04:33:46 PM »
One of those 'top players' may well be Keita, who we could already be talking to as he is in the last 6 months of his contract, and who will have probably had overtures from multiple clubs. So the whole statement from DC could just be that Keita's agent said he thought it was great we had won something and would be in Europe next year.



Weren't Liverpool's owners about young talent? what happened? I want to see players that we really need, or talented players. I have been watching documentaries about Shankly and Paisley. I don't recall them ever saying "I'd bet that'd be a good squad player." They just bought the players that they thought took the club to the next level. I want to see the same. I want to see us buying first-team player, with our current first-team players turning into squad players. I don't want us building a team around the players we have now, they are shit!

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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #822 on: March 2, 2012, 04:35:35 PM »
One of those 'top players' may well be Keita, who we could already be talking to as he is in the last 6 months of his contract, and who will have probably had overtures from multiple clubs. So the whole statement from DC could just be that Keita's agent said he thought it was great we had won something and would be in Europe next year.

Can't believe people are taking his quote literally and even linking players to it. He made a similar statement last year as well before the summer window. Its just sending a message out to potential targets that the 'Liverpool project' is doing well and wining the cup shows just that. Don't look too deep into it.

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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #823 on: March 2, 2012, 04:46:31 PM »
Weren't Liverpool's owners about young talent? what happened? I want to see players that we really need, or talented players. I have been watching documentaries about Shankly and Paisley. I don't recall them ever saying "I'd bet that'd be a good squad player." They just bought the players that they thought took the club to the next level. I want to see the same. I want to see us buying first-team player, with our current first-team players turning into squad players. I don't want us building a team around the players we have now, they are shit!

Well tbf we HAVE brought in a lot of young talent.  Perhaps this summer we may be looking to augment with some tried and tested quality and experience?  If someone's in the last 6 months of their contract and they're rated then I see no harm in having a look.

Also, I don't think our players are shit.  It's just been a case of them learning to step up that extra gear at a club where the expectations are higher.

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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #824 on: March 2, 2012, 04:46:44 PM »
Can't believe people are taking his quote literally and even linking players to it. He made a similar statement last year as well before the summer window. Its just sending a message out to potential targets that the 'Liverpool project' is doing well and wining the cup shows just that. Don't look too deep into it.

I am just pointing out 'top players' doesn't have to mean Hazard for 30 million or whatever, but could just as easily be applied to an out-of-contract guy in his 30s. DC made an almost identical statement after we beat Utd last year and he was probably referring to Enrique or Adam who were probably the only ones we would have had any contact with at that time. But everyone made it out to be Hazard orr Mata or whoever.
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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #825 on: March 2, 2012, 05:02:47 PM »
There was a very good debate about this here.
They probably won't deficit spend, after all they've said so explicitly, but I then really don't see us breaking into top 4 anytime soon.
We had a single major transfer window last summer, the one that should have propelled us forward somewhat and we made a sweet mess out of it wasting at least 30% of those funds on overpaying. After this summer everything will be much clearer and I believe it will leave many feeling a bit depressed.

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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #826 on: March 2, 2012, 05:15:31 PM »
If you've followed what they've done with the Red Sox then, trust me, nobody will be depressed with FSG

It's not about being depressed with FSG, it's about maximising the effect of what money we do have.



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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #827 on: March 2, 2012, 05:20:47 PM »
We don't need last summers overhaul, just 2 or 3 quality players. I think if we signed a really good striker and winger only, most people would be happy.

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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #828 on: March 2, 2012, 05:34:05 PM »
Weren't Liverpool's owners about young talent? what happened? I want to see players that we really need, or talented players. I have been watching documentaries about Shankly and Paisley. I don't recall them ever saying "I'd bet that'd be a good squad player." They just bought the players that they thought took the club to the next level. I want to see the same. I want to see us buying first-team player, with our current first-team players turning into squad players. I don't want us building a team around the players we have now, they are shit!

Think you may be doing Keita a bit of a disservice there. He's a good player who's a squad player at a side packed with truly world class talent. But he is an exceptionally well rounded midfielder who has always done a very good job there and earned his transfer there. Right now, I feel like Lucas's absence has created a big void in our midfield. If we can bring in Keita on a free, I'd be very happy. It might be a short term improvement, but we're looking to build our way up rather than buy our way up and if bringing him in means we have more money to spend on quality elsewhere (exceptionally good wingers require clubs pay a premium) it could be a wise move.

It's a risk, definitely, all transfers are. But I wouldn't dismiss a quality player playing at a club filled with world class players on a free transfer at any age. Bellamy has been a great signing.

*edit* Just checked though... and I don't think we'd get him on a free. I think he's contracted until 2014. If we can get him cheaply, though, I think my point still stands. Because it's not an English club, maybe we won't be bent over the barrel for once.
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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #829 on: March 2, 2012, 05:40:18 PM »
We don't need last summers overhaul, just 2 or 3 quality players. I think if we signed a really good striker and winger only, most people would be happy.
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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #830 on: March 2, 2012, 05:43:52 PM »
We don't need last summers overhaul, just 2 or 3 quality players. I think if we signed a really good striker and winger only, most people would be happy.

Would say we need 4-5 players;

Cover for Lucas - he may not return same player. Even if he does, if he is injured/suspended we have no one to dictate tempo.

A partner for Lucas - Henderson is not ready, Adam not good enough, Gerrard's  better further forward.

A left winger - Downing not good enough, Bellamy's injury record.

Right winger - Henderson not ready, Kuyt not good enough.

Striker - Carroll not good enough

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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #831 on: March 2, 2012, 05:46:51 PM »
Would say we need 4-5 players;

Cover for Lucas - he may not return same player. Even if he does, if he is injured/suspended we have no one to dictate tempo.

A partner for Lucas - Henderson is not ready, Adam not good enough, Gerrard's  better further forward.

A left winger - Downing not good enough, Bellamy's injury record.

Right winger - Henderson not ready, Kuyt not good enough.

Striker - Carroll not good enough

I don't think we will have enough money to buy 4-5 players. 2-3 worldclass players will be perfect as we have enough squad depth.

Anyone sure if Kuyt will be off this summer?

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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #832 on: March 2, 2012, 06:07:30 PM »
I don't think we will have enough money to buy 4-5 players. 2-3 worldclass players will be perfect as we have enough squad depth.

Anyone sure if Kuyt will be off this summer?
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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #833 on: March 2, 2012, 06:19:42 PM »
So is it your opinion that the 100M spent wasn't enough or that we didn't spend it wisely?

We didnt spend it wisely. That is only my opinion, no doubt you and other may disagree.


I see player like Cabaye, captain of french champions Lille, going for 4M and Comollli is nowhere to be seen.
When discussing Dirk Kuyt's work rate :

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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #834 on: March 2, 2012, 06:20:14 PM »
We don't need last summers overhaul, just 2 or 3 quality players. I think if we signed a really good striker and winger only, most people would be happy.

Damning statement considering we spent 55m on Carroll and Downing.
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« Reply #835 on: March 2, 2012, 06:20:30 PM »
Absolutely. People may criticize the new signings, but we have improved our squad dramatically (just look at the bench). We just need those 3 players that will make the difference.


This is what I feel, exactly.
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I don't think he works as hard as some people claim. No harder, for example, than Stewart Downing.

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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #836 on: March 2, 2012, 06:22:36 PM »
Would say we need 4-5 players;

Cover for Lucas - he may not return same player. Even if he does, if he is injured/suspended we have no one to dictate tempo.

A partner for Lucas - Henderson is not ready, Adam not good enough, Gerrard's  better further forward.

A left winger - Downing not good enough, Bellamy's injury record.

Right winger - Henderson not ready, Kuyt not good enough.

Striker - Carroll not good enough


its funny because in the youth reseves thread there arre cases being made for

Wisdom at CB

Shelvey, suso/adorjan creative mid

to retain Maxi and Kuyts experience at right mid to allow the kids time to come through

keep bellamy and downing left mid to give sterling time to come through

buy an older DM until decisons can be made on spearing /coady

the only real consensus appears to be the need for quality up front
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Re: Moneyball, Soccernomics and Liverpool's transfer policy
« Reply #837 on: March 2, 2012, 06:38:51 PM »
I think it's the first season in a while where there aren't many clear cut candidates to leave. Some are mentioning Kuyt and Maxi, but that's more to do with their age and relative wages rather than their contributions. From the current squad list (excluding those out on loan), I think you'd find it hard to find major flops in the squad right now. The two biggest disappointments imo (Carroll & Downing) have shown that they can contribute positively, and both have improved recently (although still a long way away from reaching the level expected of them).

Last summer we built a solid base for the squad. I think/hope that now is the time we start adding 2/3 quality players each year.

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« Reply #838 on: March 2, 2012, 06:45:26 PM »
This is a question that I am torn between but would like the opinion of other posters.


Do you think we should sell Andy and replace him with a top quality striker. Keep Andy as a squad  and bring in another young squad  striker, say along the lines of a Luuk De Jong. Or should we just keep and make him our first choice striker for next season.
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I don't think he works as hard as some people claim. No harder, for example, than Stewart Downing.

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« Reply #839 on: March 2, 2012, 07:12:03 PM »
This is a question that I am torn between but would like the opinion of other posters.


Do you think we should sell Andy and replace him with a top quality striker. Keep Andy as a squad  and bring in another young squad  striker, say along the lines of a Luuk De Jong. Or should we just keep and make him our first choice striker for next season.

not sure the finances are favourable to us selling Andy even if we wanted to.

a 5 year contract at 35 mil would presumably be written off 7 million  a year implying we'd have to sell him for about 25m in the summer or lose money on the deal - and we'd need for the buyer to give him the same wage or else we'd  be looking for more again.

One way to disguise that would be to do a player exchange I guess but either way its unlikely.

Think it'll be a year or two before we'd consider it so the lad has time to get his head together and improve. Dont think that should stop us signing another forward though - once we sign another player they get picked on merit.
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