Topic: Reds agree Downing fee

[rossipersiempre]

Really why would I have anything against him, he's been very good for us and wish he was fit more often.

He should just leave the FKs to Adam though

Yeah because he's shite at them. Out of the way Fabio, European Cup SF's my arse, Brazilian technique a load of shite....let the master Charlie through. Laughable.

[rossipersiempre]

Who gives a shit what we pay? It's not coming out of your own pocket. I'm sure FSG have done their sums and know that we can afford it.  At last a an old school wide man!!!!!!

Not a match-goer or kit-buyer then?

[Ikki.Fenikkusu]

Apparently, the BMW dealer won't give us the time of day and says those X5's wouldn't want to be driven by us anyway as we're only going to use them for the school/supermarket run. His cars like to go on long country drives, foreign trips etc. Plus they like Shell V-Power in their tanks and we only pay for regular unleaded.

p.s. by the way I think Villa paid £12m for Downing not 10, I might be wrong though.

We bought a BMW in January across the road. It was the Suarez model, and had a lot of bite.

Villa paid 10m for Downing and 2m depending on appearances.

[AnnieRoad(Un)Faithful]

Luka Modric shouldn't be mentioned with the other 2 he keeps things ticking over in the middle of the park a bit like our xabi (sigh!!) oh how I miss xabi..
Its not comparing like with like with his stats imo.

Alonso is far superior to Modric.

I think Torres would benefit more from having the Croat in Chelsea's midfield than he has with the current personnel.

[Houlliers goal face]

Yeah because he's shite at them. Out of the way Fabio, European Cup SF's my arse, Brazilian technique a load of shite....let the master Charlie through. Laughable.

He won't have to let him through cos he's never on the pitch. Mr Glass!

[koptommy93]

The hypocrisy of some people on here is astounding, just yesterday people on here were complaining about how downing was an average player and saying how we should go nowhere near him. However, now it looks like this signing will go through alot of people have forgotten that and are saying what a great signing this would be. I'm also concerned by the fee, although it is good to see us splashing the cash I think we're setting a dangerous precent of overpaying for targets that we may not be able to sustain. We have seen it with Carroll, Henderson and now downing, although admittedly the Adam deal seems good value for money I think we could be building a reputation for overpaying which clubs could well take advantage of.

Of course I want downing to do well and it's nice to finally have a decent winger but can anyone even pretend £20m for downing is justifiable?

[Hij]

Threads on here are often ultimately ruined by one or two people constantly returning every 5-10 minutes to keep re-iterating why we are making major mistakes and not moving forwards in the correct manner. We have signed a quality left winger, proven in the Premiership which addresses the fact that we haven't had an orthodox left winger since Riera left.

Quietly excited about next season, well I'd have to be, otherwise I'd have to engage on debate on here that would probably make me submit to a heart attack due to stress.

All people ever do is complain. We're not spending enough, we're wasting it on interest payments, now we're spending too much and we're wasting it on "shite". We could win the fucking quintuple the season after next and we'd still have people saying that we should have scored 20 more goals along the way, conceded less and slating the players for only putting 10 past De Gea at Old Trafford.

[hugoboss]

No. They don't lose value for a poor season. They have enough in the bank to retain their value. Which is the point really; you get your value, largely, on what you've achieved. Unless you're an absolute prodigy, getting 35m for you when you've only played 6 months worth of football at the highest level is a bit absurd.

Christ, I didn't think we'd actually try to rationalise the Carroll fee. I think that was accepted even by LFC fans to have been way over the top.

I'm not saying Carroll for 35M was good I'm question if Negredo for cheaper would be better, again it boils down to the system the manager wants to play and he has identified the players who he wants in it. So Dc and co have tried to sign the players, should we have walked away from Carroll, Downing and Henderson deals and moved on to other targets? Maybe but then maybe it wouldn't be as effective as it should have been.

Here is another way to look at it our net spent is about 40M we still have at least two more incomings and lots of outs

Poulsen
Aquilani/Meireles
Insua
Ngog

At the end of the window our net spent will probably still be in the 40M range

[Naughtykid]

Yeah because he's shite at them. Out of the way Fabio, European Cup SF's my arse, Brazilian technique a load of shite....let the master Charlie through. Laughable.

He's scored 2 freekicks in 5 years. He's hardly prolific, so av a word.

[tomster]

Not a match-goer or kit-buyer then?

Unfortunately we don't have a say in how it's spent. 

[Hazell]

Add Meireles and Kuyt to that list Henderson and Downing  have all being rumored to have good off the ball movement

Don't know about Downing but yes Meireles has good off the ball movement. But we don't have many bar Suarez who would be able to break down those teams which just come to defend. So another player in that respect can only be of benefit.

[hugoboss]

Yeah because he's shite at them. Out of the way Fabio, European Cup SF's my arse, Brazilian technique a load of shite....let the master Charlie through. Laughable.

Now you're getting boring mate

[hugoboss]

Don't know about Downing but yes Meireles has good off the ball movement. But we don't have many bar Suarez who would be able to break down those teams which just come to defend. So another player in that respect can only be of benefit.

Downing will offer that, he will stretch them and create more space for our players to get into

[rossipersiempre]

Now you're getting boring mate

Irony. It's a Downing thread. Go peddle your Charlie Adam is the new Juninho drivel on a more relevant thread.

[Andy @ Allerton]

The hypocrisy of some people on here is astounding, just yesterday people on here were complaining about how downing was an average player and saying how we should go nowhere near him. However, now it looks like this signing will go through alot of people have forgotten that and are saying what a great signing this would be. I'm also concerned by the fee, although it is good to see us splashing the cash I think we're setting a dangerous precent of overpaying for targets that we may not be able to sustain. We have seen it with Carroll, Henderson and now downing, although admittedly the Adam deal seems good value for money I think we could be building a reputation for overpaying which clubs could well take advantage of.

Of course I want downing to do well and it's nice to finally have a decent winger but can anyone even pretend £20m for downing is justifiable?

If we end up winnning the league with him in the side...

[Ikki.Fenikkusu]

I'm not saying Carroll for 35M was good I'm question if Negredo for cheaper would be better, again it boils down to the system the manager wants to play and he has identified the players who he wants in it. So Dc and co have tried to sign the players, should we have walked away from Carroll, Downing and Henderson

TBF, for 35m you could pretty much get any player bar a handful. Negredo is just a name. If Dalglish and co didn't want him, fine; but there is a world out there you know. 35m and the only guy they could find was Carroll? It's either lazy or ignorant. Again, if Carroll was some prodigious, undeniable, talent I could begin to understand it. But before last season we could have gotten him for a few million. He's not been a prodigious talent, ever.

And as I say all that I am cautious - largely because I believe in King Kenny and reckon he'll have it sorted. But the fee will only make sense if the lad goes on to be the top scorer, or one of them, in the world for a few years running. That's a huge ask IMO. Would love to be proven wrong.

Still, I think we could have done ourselves a favour and gotten someone a bit more reliable with more of a track record. Whether you like Carroll I am sure you can agree that there were alternatives for 35m mate.

[Byrnee]

Some of the opinions on here are fucking embarrassing. Were you all here a year ago? Some of the childish comments on here seem like they're purely built for a wind-up. Sound like bitters and mancs in some cases. Fuck me. Seriously, check back to some of the posts here one year ago - the petitions, the protest kits, the marches etc. Remind yourselves and behave. We're paying lots of money for England brightest prospects and proven class and still they complain...

*By the way, some people who don't agree with signing Downing debate it properly and in a manner that doesn't insult, infuriate, or display breathtaking know-it-all arrogance about the 'better players' we should be going for. Dr Manhattan to name one.

[Andy @ Allerton]

Just seen Downings stats. Fuck me. They are very impressive. Given how low a profile he has as well.

£20M might be a better deal than first appears.

[Arab Scouse]

In fact. Sod it. Away negativity! Away.

If Kenny, Holy Comolli and Steve Clark think that Carroll, Downing, Henderson and Adam are the force to drive us forward with Suarez then I'm as happy as Larry.

I asked my mate Larry and apparantly he's delighted.

So I'm delighted.


Roll on the new season!

The Midfield is the heart of any team and we can really mix it up now.

amen

[Hazell]

Downing will offer that, he will stretch them and create more space for our players to get into

Against those teams who just defend? I'm not so sure.

[itsgunnabebarnes!]

Delighted with this deal, we need someone who can stretch the play, and cross the ball. Nice signing.

[Byrnee]

TBF, for 35m you could pretty much get any player bar a handful. Negredo is just a name. If Dalglish and co didn't want him, fine; but there is a world out there you know. 35m and the only guy they could find was Carroll? It's either lazy or ignorant. Again, if Carroll was some prodigious, undeniable, talent I could begin to understand it. But before last season we could have gotten him for a few million. He's not been a prodigious talent, ever.

And as I say all that I am cautious - largely because I believe in King Kenny and reckon he'll have it sorted. But the fee will only make sense if the lad goes on to be the top scorer, or one of them, in the world for a few years running. That's a huge ask IMO. Would love to be proven wrong.

Still, I think we could have done ourselves a favour and gotten someone a bit more reliable with more of a track record. Whether you like Carroll I am sure you can agree that there were alternatives for 35m mate.

Thanks for helping my post have some weight. Getting Carroll was lazy? "It's either lazy or ignorant." This is so ridiculous it's beyond contempt. We had no time, were suddenly cash-rich and needed a quick replacement who we knew we could buy, had talent, and would be a summer target and we got him. Of course we paid a premium for dealing late. Just like Chelsea did. Don't let any facts whatsoever get in the way of your non-existent argument though eh.

[Phineus]

Just seen Downings stats. Fuck me. They are very impressive. Given how low a profile he has as well.

£20M might be a better deal than first appears.

If it even is that amount, which I doubt. Would probably be close to it though.

[mr_grande]

Not a match-goer or kit-buyer then?

are you saying that every time that you pay for something LFC, it's not actually to support the team in front of you, rather in the hope that we sign someone else? and even in doing that, let me tell you that you are putting faith in the support staff we have assembled that they will sign someone who will improve the team next term when you spend on a kit or a match. So no, we don't pay for our signings with kit money and match tickets. We offer support to the players who are already honored by wearing the red of LFC.

[Andy @ Allerton]

TBF, for 35m you could pretty much get any player bar a handful. Negredo is just a name. If Dalglish and co didn't want him, fine; but there is a world out there you know. 35m and the only guy they could find was Carroll? It's either lazy or ignorant. Again, if Carroll was some prodigious, undeniable, talent I could begin to understand it. But before last season we could have gotten him for a few million. He's not been a prodigious talent, ever.

And as I say all that I am cautious - largely because I believe in King Kenny and reckon he'll have it sorted. But the fee will only make sense if the lad goes on to be the top scorer, or one of them, in the world for a few years running. That's a huge ask IMO. Would love to be proven wrong.

Still, I think we could have done ourselves a favour and gotten someone a bit more reliable with more of a track record. Whether you like Carroll I am sure you can agree that there were alternatives for 35m mate.

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[MKelly34]

 

[Theoldkopite]

Some of the opinions on here are fucking embarrassing. Were you all here a year ago? Some of the childish comments on here seem like they're purely built for a wind-up. Sound like bitters and mancs in some cases. Fuck me. Seriously, check back to some of the posts here one year ago - the petitions, the protest kits, the marches etc. Remind yourselves and behave. We're paying lots of money for England brightest prospects and proven class and still they complain...

*By the way, some people who don't agree with signing Downing debate it properly and in a manner that doesn't insult, infuriate, or display breathtaking know-it-all arrogance about the 'better players' we should be going for. Dr Manhattan to name one.

This. Get a grip people.

[drpepe]

how does signing downing for 20mill fit into the FSG Big MoneyBallls Spreadsheet Plan?

Paying 20m for someone who is almost 27 so v little resale ££ in 3 years time.

Can Abrak fit this into his analysis or is this just an exception, an outlier from what our 'normal'  transfer model  will be?

[Chivasino]

Judge the player and the fee in 12-18 months time. That is all.

[Arab Scouse]

Judge the player and the fee in 12-18 months time. That is all.

or in 3 years.. in Lucas' case

[Smashedin]

Who gives a shit what we pay? It's not coming out of your own pocket.   I'm sure FSG have done their sums and know that we can afford it.  At last a an old school wide man!!!!!!

Tiring argument. People care what we pay because it will affect our ability to pay for other players. We are not City with an endless pit of money.

[Groundskeeper Willie]

Tony Evans seems to think that we wont buy much more now.

Probably been discussed but I can´t be arsed trawling through 28 pages to find it.

Any thoughts on that? Has oddball, scott, Des Lynam or any other knowledgable RAWKites said anything?

edit: wrong forum.

[Driver 8]

Not a match-goer or kit-buyer then?

Those aren't donations. You pay for a match ticket...you get to see the match. Pay for a kit...you get the kit. It's not like "fund our transfers and get a free match ticket as a reward!" You can't expect a say; once you hand the money over and get the good you wanted, that's it, then it's their money.

[TALBERT]

Mad how people want better names than

Last seasons best players

Adam - Blackpool's best player carried there team

Henderson - Sunderland's best player and I thought would be 100% playing for yernited

Downing - averages 34 games a season Mr consistent

These 3 for 40m is a bargain

What do you people want?

Aguero who will cost you 45m- 55m once Real and City get bids in and on 175k + a week

Mata who would cost 35m - 40m once Spurs and Arsenal get bids in the 15m-25m quotes are bullshit....

Hazard who would cost 20-25m with Barca, Arsenal, Spurs, Inter and every other fucker interested

You never know Henry may bid for one of theses players but I'm more than happy with the 3 we have got in.....

One so called superstar will not transform the squad the 3 players who we have signed will..... 

[rossipersiempre]

TBF, for 35m you could pretty much get any player bar a handful. Negredo is just a name. If Dalglish and co didn't want him, fine; but there is a world out there you know. 35m and the only guy they could find was Carroll? It's either lazy or ignorant. Again, if Carroll was some prodigious, undeniable, talent I could begin to understand it. But before last season we could have gotten him for a few million. He's not been a prodigious talent, ever.

And as I say all that I am cautious - largely because I believe in King Kenny and reckon he'll have it sorted. But the fee will only make sense if the lad goes on to be the top scorer, or one of them, in the world for a few years running. That's a huge ask IMO. Would love to be proven wrong.

Still, I think we could have done ourselves a favour and gotten someone a bit more reliable with more of a track record. Whether you like Carroll I am sure you can agree that there were alternatives for 35m mate.

You realise our first port of call in January was Bilbao and Fernando Llorente, yes?

[The G in Gerrard]

Whilst he may not be a jaw droppingly exciting transfer, let's give him a chance eh?

[SteveGerrardFan01]

how does signing downing for 20mill fit into the FSG Big MoneyBallls Spreadsheet Plan?

Paying 20m for someone who is almost 27 so v little resale ££ in 3 years time.

Can Abrak fit this into his analysis or is this just an exception, an outlier from what our 'normal'  transfer model  will be?

Do we buy players to make a profit or win?? Seriously, who cares about his resale value if he's going to help us win.

In other news, what shirt number will he get? I'm thinking 17!

Oh, and have we signed him yet, medical, cars pulling up outside Melwood on Sky Sports?

[gerrardsarmy]

how does signing downing for 20mill fit into the FSG Big MoneyBallls Spreadsheet Plan?

Paying 20m for someone who is almost 27 so v little resale ££ in 3 years time.

Can Abrak fit this into his analysis or is this just an exception, an outlier from what our 'normal'  transfer model  will be?

I doubt re-sale value is the only basis to our transfer strategy. If a player is deemed to be required and the manager wants him we are going to try and get him. Whether he is a little older is irrelevant.

[Kopite Downunder]

how does signing downing for 20mill fit into the FSG Big MoneyBallls Spreadsheet Plan?

Paying 20m for someone who is almost 27 so v little resale ££ in 3 years time.

Can Abrak fit this into his analysis or is this just an exception, an outlier from what our 'normal'  transfer model  will be?

Exactly what i said earlier how does this signing correlate

[The G in Gerrard]

how does signing downing for 20mill fit into the FSG Big MoneyBallls Spreadsheet Plan?

Paying 20m for someone who is almost 27 so v little resale ££ in 3 years time.

Can Abrak fit this into his analysis or is this just an exception, an outlier from what our 'normal'  transfer model  will be?

I'd be extremely concerned if we are buying players and start thinking how much they are worth in a few years time before even kicking a ball for us