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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #40 on: July 9, 2011, 09:27:09 AM »
It clearly does has something to do with the Adam deal. You seem perfectly willing to read between the lines and make claims that Norwich havent done this or that but yet wont acknowledge that a team that we just bought a player from, after a long drawn out affair, are now being linked to one of our players on loan would have something to do it with it. It might not be formal, or it would have had to have been completed as part of the deal, but if you really cant see that the two are connected then you really need to take your Adam tinted specs off.

Mate it has nothing to do with my Adam tinted specs. Adam is now a Liverpool player.

Yes in the Adam deal loaning players to Blackpool was talked about I agree but it it wasn't part of the deal.

With Dani it's more about finding a club that will play attacking football and Blackpool will certainly do that.

Liverpool might think it's better for Dani to go somewhere close to us rather than far away but Norwich would of been in for him already if they wanted him back.

I know you have your Dani glasses on mate but we need what's best for Dani now - and that's games.
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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #41 on: July 9, 2011, 09:29:56 AM »
Just on the norwich v blackpool, CL v PL thing.

I would actually prefer him to go to blackpool, despite norwich being promoted. The reason for this is the style of play blackpool will play in the CL. Secondly, playing in a side that is just going to get relegated again will mean their attack to defense ratio will be heavily defense skewed. As a result, what would Pacheco really learn from jockeying oppositions attacking players all day. I know its a large jump in standard, but playing first team football regularly and obtaining confidence while playing an attacking brand of football will be much better for the lad, then facing losses every second week and destroying his confidence.

I think the management staff know what they are doing and a loan to blackpool would be really good for him, and maybe next year becoming a squad player depending on how he has progressed with a full season under his belt. Just my opinion, hope he turns out to be a wonderkid for us.

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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #42 on: July 9, 2011, 09:34:15 AM »
Just on the norwich v blackpool, CL v PL thing.

I would actually prefer him to go to blackpool, despite norwich being promoted. The reason for this is the style of play blackpool will play in the CL. Secondly, playing in a side that is just going to get relegated again will mean their attack to defense ratio will be heavily defense skewed. As a result, what would Pacheco really learn from jockeying oppositions attacking players all day. I know its a large jump in standard, but playing first team football regularly and obtaining confidence while playing an attacking brand of football will be much better for the lad, then facing losses every second week and destroying his confidence.

I think the management staff know what they are doing and a loan to blackpool would be really good for him, and maybe next year becoming a squad player depending on how he has progressed with a full season under his belt. Just my opinion, hope he turns out to be a wonderkid for us.
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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #43 on: July 9, 2011, 09:39:51 AM »
The negative aspect of this is that Holloway is a tactical idiot. He should have kept Blackpool up to be honest, if he had more tactical nous. Not sure how much Dani would learn.

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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #44 on: July 9, 2011, 09:41:04 AM »
Why do people hate Ollie ?  ???
Because he is an egotist who constantly contradicts himself and one of whiskyfuckfaces little subordinates! I found him quite amusing a few years ago-then 'SoccerAM' picked up on it and since then he's been playing up to the cameras.
I really thought Pacheco would be a regular on the bench by now so I think this next loan spell is his last chance saloon. I would much prefer that he went to a Premiership team on loan.
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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #45 on: July 9, 2011, 09:42:07 AM »
Dani just need to play games in team that plays expansive football he will get both boxes ticked if he goes to Blackpool. he will also be close to us for any medical or physio treatment needed beyond blackpools ability. no brainer i think.
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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #46 on: July 9, 2011, 09:45:13 AM »
Mate it has nothing to do with my Adam tinted specs. Adam is now a Liverpool player.

Yes in the Adam deal loaning players to Blackpool was talked about I agree but it it wasn't part of the deal.

With Dani it's more about finding a club that will play attacking football and Blackpool will certainly do that.

Liverpool might think it's better for Dani to go somewhere close to us rather than far away but Norwich would of been in for him already if they wanted him back.

I know you have your Dani glasses on mate but we need what's best for Dani now - and that's games.

If you seriously can't see any connection between us finally having a break through in the Adam deal and then Pacheco being linked to Blackpool then there's no point in going any further with this discussion.

How do you know Norwich weren't/aren't in for him? Because the journo's/itk's that are so well informed these days havent said anything?

Id at least wait until he's been to the U20 world cup. If he has a good tournament he could have his pick of clubs.

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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #47 on: July 9, 2011, 09:45:39 AM »
Good, he needs first team football of some kind. Would ideally have liked it with us but if he gets games time it'll benefit him and us.

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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #48 on: July 9, 2011, 09:50:47 AM »
So we were going pay 8M for Wickham so we had a young backup ST. Whereas now we are loaning Dani out to the Championship. What fucking sense does that make.

Give Dani a chance to prove himself, fucking annoying that we are spending shitloads on young talent and just completely ignoring the young talent already here.
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« Reply #49 on: July 9, 2011, 09:52:15 AM »
Lads, I can't see Pacheco going to Norwich.  Even though he did reasonably well when he was there he only played 6 times and he was unfortunate that his time there coincided with your man, can't think of his name, going on the goal streak of a lifetime which kept Dani on the bench.  Dani played well but didn't set the place alight so I reckon Lambert will keep his options dry for other, more experienced players to help keep Norwich up.

Blackpool on the other hand will provide a good platform for Dani.  He might nor take on the same role as Adam but he will play the creative fulcrum that Adam did.  I like Holloway and I think some of his ranting was simply playing to the fans and playing to the owner, but at the heel of the hunt he respects KK and the club ended up with a great bargain if the figures are to be believed.  After 30-35 games in the championship we will all know if Dani has the wherewithall to make the step up to the first team.  I really hope he does and I think he will develop nicely in Blackpool.  As for their facilities, the lad will be alright, it might harden him a bit to rough it for a while and then maybe he'll really appreciate what he has in Liverpool!

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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #50 on: July 9, 2011, 09:53:07 AM »
FOr me it was more nice to hear a mananger speaking his mind and once I started listening to what he said I realised why they shouldn't

I'll bet you weren't saying that when he spoke glowingly about Liverpool or Kenny last season. My guess is it started when Blackpool tried to get the best possible price for Adam.

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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #51 on: July 9, 2011, 09:55:39 AM »
If you seriously can't see any connection between us finally having a break through in the Adam deal and then Pacheco being linked to Blackpool then there's no point in going any further with this discussion.

How do you know Norwich weren't/aren't in for him? Because the journo's/itk's that are so well informed these days havent said anything?

Id at least wait until he's been to the U20 world cup. If he has a good tournament he could have his pick of clubs.


Mate to be honest I am not even sure that this story in the Mirror is true. I think it's more guess work myself.

They was a PR in the mirror saying that they wanted Ince and someone else - now they're saying they want Dani.

As for Norwich - I just feel they don't want him back me as like I say they would of sorted it by now.

Dani will go to the under 20's comp but one thing for sure when he comes back he needs games - Blackpool, Norwich, Liverpool - doesn't matter. The lad needs to play now.

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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #52 on: July 9, 2011, 10:02:58 AM »
some people on here talk shit, when Adam wanted to come to Liverpool Holloway said "he would love Adam to join Liverpool there is no steady ship than Liverpool at the moment under Dalglish" so i dont know where people are saying he is up fergusons arse. he knows what he is talking about and he was like a child in a sweet shop when he was in the premier league

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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #53 on: July 9, 2011, 10:06:05 AM »
He seemed to enjoy his time at Norwich, and looked comfortable in the Championship. A season long loan will do him really well, and you would expect Blackpool to be at the right at end of the table (i.e not in a relegation battle, but play-off/promotion chase).

If he went to Norwich he would suddenly become a "luxury" player I feel, as they will be in a relegation dog fight, you would expect.

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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #54 on: July 9, 2011, 10:06:59 AM »
The negative aspect of this is that Holloway is a tactical idiot. He should have kept Blackpool up to be honest, if he had more tactical nous. Not sure how much Dani would learn.
playing week in week out is what he needs, he wont get that here so it a good move. He won't learn much having another season of reserve football
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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #55 on: July 9, 2011, 10:09:08 AM »
Good move for him in my opinion. We don't have enough games to go around this season with us not being in europe, and its much more worthwhile that he goes out and plays 30 plus games during a tough season in English football before coming back next season as part of our first team squad when there are a lot more opportunities to play games for us.
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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #56 on: July 9, 2011, 10:15:47 AM »
some people on here talk shit, when Adam wanted to come to Liverpool Holloway said "he would love Adam to join Liverpool there is no steady ship than Liverpool at the moment under Dalglish" so i dont know where people are saying he is up fergusons arse. he knows what he is talking about and he was like a child in a sweet shop when he was in the premier league
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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #57 on: July 9, 2011, 10:22:52 AM »
dani37pacheco Daniel Pacheco
Last trainning session today before travelling to Asia tomorrow with the team. Then, from Kuala Lumpur to Spain to meet national team u-20


So he is going to Asia with the team, interesting. Doubt this move will be happening then to be honest
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« Reply #58 on: July 9, 2011, 10:26:01 AM »
You're right-he did! Then Whiskyshitstain started praising Holloway and promoting his candidacy for LMA manager of the year,suddenly Holloway started being a prick over the Adam deal-"his set pieces are worth £10m alone"-a statement echoed by Whiskycirrosisface days later (no doubt after a glass of wine together). He,like all british managers of small premiership clubs are governed by the Govan tramp.

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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #59 on: July 9, 2011, 10:38:09 AM »
Mate to be honest I am not even sure that this story in the Mirror is true. I think it's more guess work myself.

They was a PR in the mirror saying that they wanted Ince and someone else - now they're saying they want Dani.

As for Norwich - I just feel they don't want him back me as like I say they would of sorted it by now.

Dani will go to the under 20's comp but one thing for sure when he comes back he needs games - Blackpool, Norwich, Liverpool - doesn't matter. The lad needs to play now.

I would imagine Blackpool may have been given first refusal on the players we plan to loan out this season as a sweetener to oil the wheels of the Adam deal. It would be pretty sensible to see who is fit and available for the start of the Premiership season and who has impressed in the pre-season games before we decide who is going out on loan.
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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #60 on: July 9, 2011, 10:55:28 AM »
dani37pacheco Daniel Pacheco
Last trainning session today before travelling to Asia tomorrow with the team. Then, from Kuala Lumpur to Spain to meet national team u-20


So he is going to Asia with the team, interesting. Doubt this move will be happening then to be honest

I hope it doesn't, if I'm honest.

I can see the other side of the coin about him needing games, and I was in favour of the loan to Norwich at the end of last season.  This season, however, we're restructuring and looking like a move to a 4-3-3, which is a formation that suits Dani at LF.  It looks like we're either going to move Suarez to RF to make room for Downing (or Mata, I suppose, though I think that's unlikely and I'm just including it here so as not to anger the transfer forum rabid Mataites), so that leaves us with no one else to play that position.  Either we go for 2 left-sided attackers in the transfer market or we will still need a backup in that position, and I think Dani's just the right age to be 2nd/3rd choice there.

All of that supposes that he just doesn't fit into Kenny's plans, which seems unlikely as he just got a new contract in December to extend him to 2014.  If he is seen as part of our future, then why not let him sit on our bench this season, maybe start 5 league games or so?  Again, I can see the argument that he would benefit more from starting every week in the Championship, but I just think he would be better served in a lesser role here.  I suppose the loan does have one big advantage - if we do look to sell him next summer, then he will have a much better chance to impress in a lower league and in the shop window with regular games, but I still hold out a faint hope that he will be able to prove himself worthy of being part of our squad.
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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #61 on: July 9, 2011, 10:57:23 AM »
Not sure about this. I feel he's ready to be given a chance to play for us already.

Agree.

A short term loan, say 1-3 months, to get games, then I'd like us to include him. We shouldn't have him on a permanent loan.

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« Reply #62 on: July 9, 2011, 11:32:56 AM »
The Mirror. Shit.

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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #63 on: July 9, 2011, 11:49:11 AM »
Before the Adam thing everyone was saying how refreshing it was to see a manager speak their mind. Now people call him a bumpkin. Its stupid.

Holloway's a really good manager and a hilarious guy who's teams play an expansive exciting style of football.
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« Reply #64 on: July 9, 2011, 11:53:23 AM »
So we were going pay 8M for Wickham so we had a young backup ST. Whereas now we are loaning Dani out to the Championship. What fucking sense does that make.

Give Dani a chance to prove himself, fucking annoying that we are spending shitloads on young talent and just completely ignoring the young talent already here.
Ever crossed your mind that Connor Wickham is worth that precisely because he has had a lot of games at a lower level and has therefore developed well, whereas we still don't know how good Pacheco might be because he has spent too much time not playing competitive football?
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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #65 on: July 9, 2011, 12:35:02 PM »
The negative aspect of this is that Holloway is a tactical idiot. He should have kept Blackpool up to be honest, if he had more tactical nous. Not sure how much Dani would learn.

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« Reply #66 on: July 9, 2011, 12:59:22 PM »
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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #67 on: July 9, 2011, 01:01:48 PM »
Pacheco-I don't know anything about blackpool interest,nobody said nothing to me at the minute. Hard week done, asia time and world cup after.
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« Reply #68 on: July 9, 2011, 01:09:32 PM »
Do you wear a tin foil hat?
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« Reply #69 on: July 9, 2011, 01:17:24 PM »
Norwich wants him & they are in PL why Blackpool ? Fuck Holloway. Acted as douche for past 6 months.

Why?? Because he wanted to keep their star player?
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« Reply #70 on: July 9, 2011, 01:19:41 PM »
Have to wonder wonder why Norwich don't want him for the season.
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« Reply #71 on: July 9, 2011, 01:35:46 PM »
Why?? Because he wanted to keep their star player?
Exactly. Don't understand the hostility towards Holloway. He was a character, who encouraged good football and performed miracles with virtually no money at Blackpool. He did brilliantly to hold onto his captain in January and if I was a Blackpool fan, I'd have been proud he didn't just roll over when the big boys came knocking. He fought his corner and against all odds managed to keep hold of him and consequently very nearly kept his team in the league. Got nothing but respect for him meself.
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« Reply #72 on: July 9, 2011, 01:48:17 PM »
Have to wonder wonder why Norwich don't want him for the season.

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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #73 on: July 9, 2011, 01:50:59 PM »
Bollocks story. Pacheco is off to Asia, Blackpool have a better chance of signing Raul Meirelea
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« Reply #74 on: July 9, 2011, 01:56:57 PM »
Bollocks story. Pacheco is off to Asia, Blackpool have a better chance of signing Raul Meirelea

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« Reply #75 on: July 9, 2011, 02:05:23 PM »
I'd like to see Dani play for Liverpool.

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« Reply #76 on: July 9, 2011, 02:25:16 PM »
The negative aspect of this is that Holloway is a tactical idiot. He should have kept Blackpool up to be honest, if he had more tactical nous. Not sure how much Dani would learn.
That's nonsense. On paper Blackpool are by far the worst team ever to appear in the premiership, and they'd barely strengthened a squad that was itself pretty much miraculously promoted from a league they were among the relegation favourites for.

Holloway might not be subtle or versatile, and his tactics may lack some balance and refinement, but he did an astonishing job getting them promoted, while keeping them up would have been an even more astonishing achievement, and they only just missed out on it by the skin of their teeth.

Say what you like about Holloway but he has done an incredible job at Blackpool and it was incredibly impressive they got as close to staying up as they did. If anyone else had kept that squad up it would also have been a borderline miracle. 'Anyone else', IE someone like, say, Steve Bruce or McLeish, would have, at best, done slightly better than you would expect from their wages and transfers, which would have led to an early relegation at rock bottom, quite possibly with fewer points than even Derby managed. That's how little money they spent.

As it is, they're now much, much better equipped for the championship than they were as they were still working within that budget, and may actually be able to build up gradually, give themsleves a good chance of promotion again and come back much stronger and possibly able to up the wage ceiling a bit to possibly keep them up.

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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #77 on: July 9, 2011, 03:16:25 PM »
Pacheco wasn't starting games for Norwich last season when they were in the Championship, why do people think he's automatically going to start games for them in the Premiership?

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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #78 on: July 9, 2011, 03:19:37 PM »
God I hope he's given chance to impress on Wednesday, if he doesn't make it this season, I doubt he ever will  :-[
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Re: Dani Pacheco
« Reply #79 on: July 9, 2011, 03:20:26 PM »
Pacheco wasn't starting games for Norwich last season when they were in the Championship, why do people think he's automatically going to start games for them in the Premiership?

Because Simeon Jackson isn't going to go on another run of scoring 10 in 7?
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