Topic: Villlas-Boas sacked

[FernandoSusoLFC]

anybody hear Alan Green get slapped down by the 5live anchor yesterday when he started to say "what nobody asks about Abramovic is, where is his money coming from.  We all know the answer, but nobody says anything about it" - the only response was something like: "well, moving on"

he ripped off the Russian Mafia and has to have constant bodyguard support.

[Bob Loblaw]

I'd have Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas here after Kenny, not going to lie.

I'd prefer Guardiola.  I think we'd be the perfect fit for him too if/when he takes a job in England.

Though, I'm sure a few other teams would feel the same. 

[Cpt_Reina]

I've a theory about why so many on here like Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas.

Iberian, doesnt get on with the press, (supposedly) tactically minded, having to contend with backbiting behind closed doors.

Sound familiar?

Difference is, Rafa was a much much better manager. And that's where the similarities end.

[Circa1892]

I think the same re: Mourinho/United. Though they would seem a match made in ego heaven, why would he bother going to a team that has already won everything? What kind of saviour could he be at a team like that?

Which is why he comes in the year after either Quieroz or an ex-Manc who Ferguson insists gets the job fucks things up...

[Bob Loblaw]

I've a theory about why so many on here like Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas.

Iberian, doesnt get on with the press, (supposedly) tactically minded, having to contend with backbiting behind closed doors.

Sound familiar?

Difference is, Rafa was a much much better manager. And that's where the similarities end.

His Porto side were a joy to watch too in fairness. He also won a major European Cup, younger than Rafa managed it.

Not sure why you're being so harsh. Is it a competition between the two? Not that i like Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas, but he's clearly shown himself to be a very capable coach.

[Andy @ Allerton]

I'd suggest that whoever goes there, apart from Mourinho will not get that respect.
Those players in that dressing room are a disgrace to football. Yet not a word of criticism is uttered about it from anywhere.
The clubs a mess.

Asked Chelsea fan in work what he thought. First thing he said "Sack the players. Terry and Lampard are a total disgrace."

Chelsea fans are really pissed off with the Player Power there.

[Rohit]

Asked Chelsea fan in work what he thought. First thing he said "Sack the players. Terry and Lampard are a total disgrace."

Chelsea fans are really pissed off with the Player Power there.

Thats because it has been going on for too long, hell it even cost carlo ancelotti who the player apparently just lost interest in his same dull methods every game. A fucking two time european cup winner got sacked because the players stopped giving a shit when wilkins was sacked.

[Cpt_Reina]

His Porto side were a joy to watch too in fairness. He also won a major European Cup, younger than Rafa managed it.

Not sure why you're being so harsh. Is it a competition between the two?

Just exploring why the consensus on here seems to be that Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas is the dogs bollocks.

We have so little evidence to go on. He's had as many disasters as he has success'.

And yet people say they'd have him here after Kenny? Based on 1 year at Porto?

Just thinking out loud as to why.

[Quintet]

I'd have Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas here after Kenny, not going to lie.

I would too, he would suit us much more than chelsea IMO. I think he should go somewhere else for a couple of years first.

[U13]

Just exploring why the consensus on here seems to be that Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas is the dogs bollocks.

We have so little evidence to go on. He's had as many disasters as he has success'.

And yet people say they'd have him here after Kenny? Based on 1 year at Porto?

Just thinking out loud as to why.

He hasn't had a disaster in his career.

The situation at Chelsea is a no lose situation which is reinforced by the caliber of managers they've had over the past few years.

[scared_person]

Many of us here wanted Rafa and the other guy to go and be replaced by Villa Boas. I am sure hindsight and experience are going to teach us that coaches are best picked by those who are hired to do so and not supporters. Some were saying Kenny has been out of management for so long and Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas is a better option. Unfortunately, it looks like we are not going to be able to take advantage of Chelsea's sorry state of affairs.

So the lesson you've learned from this debacle is that football administrators are knowledgeble, good at their jobs and generally make the correct decisions?!

I think the recent escapades at Chelsea, England and Wolves just go to show that they're a gang of incompetent fuckwits who bumble around from when knee jerk decision to the next without the vaguest hint of a long term plan.

It seems to me that otherwise sensible people leave their brains at the door when they work in football and just listen to what Andy Gray and Jamie Redknapp have to say.

Apart from the obvious payout he received, Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas was on a hiding to nothing when he took that job on. His brief was to usher out the old guard and build a new team but he just wasn't given the backing to have any chance of doing that. Chelsea will not reach their potential until the manager is backed 100% by that wealthy Russian.

[Trada]

EDDIE NEWTON RETURNS
Posted on: Mon 05 Mar 2012

Chelsea Football Club is pleased to welcome back Eddie Newton, who will join Roberto Di Matteo's backroom staff as support until the end of the season.

Steve Holland will remain as assistant first team coach and Christophe Lollichon as goalkeeping coach.

Chris Jones, who has been with the club since 2006, will step up to take the role of first team fitness coach.

Jose Mario Rocha, who previously held that position, and Daniel Sousa, head opposition scout, have both left the club. They joined with Andre Villas-Boas last June.

Newton joined Chelsea as a 13-year-old and came through the ranks to make 214 appearances for the club. His debut came in 1992 and he established himself in a star-studded midfield as we lifted the FA Cup in 1997, famously scoring the second goal in the Final against Middlesbrough after Di Matteo had opened the scoring after just 43 seconds.

Newton was also part of our League Cup and European Cup Winners' Cup-winning sides in 1998 before leaving the club for Birmingham City a year later.

After his playing career ended prematurely due to injury, Eddie returned to the club with a role in our Academy, which included working with the Under 16 side as assistant coach.

He also supported Di Matteo at MK Dons and West Bromwich Albion.

http://www.chelseafc.com/page/LatestNews/0,,10268~2634054,00.html

[Cpt_Reina]

He hasn't had a disaster in his career.

The situation at Chelsea is a no lose situation which is reinforced by the caliber of managers they've had over the past few years.

Managers who never left Chelsea outside of the top 4.

Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas at this stage in his career has a lot of similarities with Roy Hodgson if you ask me.

Both had one good year, Roy over achieved with Fulham, Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas did well for Porto.

Both got their team to a european final, Porto won theirs. Just.

Both moved to bigger clubs, say what you will about Porto and Chelsea, but Chelsea are a bigger club in a bigger league. And both were found wanting.

Now Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas might well go on to become a much better manager then Hodge Podge, indeed he probably will. But people are falling over themselves to anoint him as this managerial heavyweight. When, comparatively, its not that different to how people in INGURLAND were lapping up what Hodgson was doing.

Oh how we ridiculed them for that.

[Danyaals Kop]

I'd have Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas here after Kenny, not going to lie.

I'd have Rafa after Kenny but, he will be third in my list.

[L666KOP]

Managers who never left Chelsea outside of the top 4.

Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas at this stage in his career has a lot of similarities with Roy Hodgson if you ask me.

Both had one good year, Roy over achieved with Fulham, Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas did well for Porto.

Both got their team to a european final, Porto won theirs. Just.

Both moved to bigger clubs, say what you will about Porto and Chelsea, but Chelsea are a bigger club in a bigger league. And both were found wanting.

Now Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas might well go on to become a much better manager then Hodge Podge, indeed he probably will. But people are falling over themselves to anoint him as this managerial heavyweight. When, comparatively, its not that different to how people in INGURLAND were lapping up what Hodgson was doing.

Oh how we ridiculed them for that.

Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas's next job will determine his footballing managerial career.
If he does well, people will soon put what happened at Chelsea down to Roman and the players out of their mind.
If he fucks it up, people will say he was a flash in the pan manager that had a good year at Porto, and he'll end up being a journeyman manager, or reverting to what we all know he excels at, opposition scout.

[cornelius]

Well, Porto have won it 7 times out of the last 9.

A breeze is going a bit far, but you certainly stand a much better chance of winning the league with Porto then you do any other team in that league.

That's irrelevant. I'd love to see Ray Wilkins take charge of Porto and "breeze" his way to the title. I doubt the fucker would last 3 months. What's his managerial record like?

[Fruity]

Asked Chelsea fan in work what he thought. First thing he said "Sack the players. Terry and Lampard are a total disgrace."

Chelsea fans are really pissed off with the Player Power there.

The thing is any fan who can't see that needs their head checking. Whether Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas would have been a success or not is irrelevant but having players deciding if he is fit to manage is a fundamental flaw.

Can't imagine Di Matteo is going to do much about it but the next manager that looks at chelsea should write it into their contract that he is allowed to sell Terry/Lampard in the summer as you can't see how the club is ever going to move forward with them two in charge.

[Cpt_Reina]

Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas's next job will determine his footballing managerial career.
If he does well, people will soon put what happened at Chelsea down to Roman and the players out of their mind.
If he fucks it up, people will say he was a flash in the pan manager that had a good year at Porto, and he'll end up being a journeyman manager, or reverting to what we all know he excels at, opposition scout.

Yep. Think that's fair enough.

I just find the fawning over him strange. Especially given the similarities between his recent record and Roy's. Roy was instantly laughed at by us, and rightly so, but Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas is seen as some sort of managerial great. It doesnt add up to me.

Not going off what he's actually achieved. There's no real body of evidence there to suggest he's good enough to be touted as a possible replacement for Kenny, no more so then there was for Roy to be the man to replace Rafa.

[Siannn.]

To be fair to Chelsea fans, the vast majority of them appear to be thoroughly pissed off about all of this. I don't think it's exactly fair to take the words of a few tits on SSN as gospel.

[Gerrvindh]

I've a theory about why so many on here like Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas.

Iberian, doesnt get on with the press, (supposedly) tactically minded, having to contend with backbiting behind closed doors.

Sound familiar?

Difference is, Rafa was a much much better manager. And that's where the similarities end.

Or he's just come across as a nice person and deserved to implement his own project at a big club.

[L666KOP]

Can't imagine Di Matteo is going to do much about it but the next manager that looks at chelsea should write it into their contract that he is allowed to sell Terry/Lampard in the summer as you can't see how the club is ever going to move forward with them two in charge.

How very dare you !!!  Sir John Terry of England, I ask you !!
Trouble is, how do we know that the poison hasn't spread, it needs a fucking strong manager, and one that can look them in the eye, whilst putting a Champions league medal on the table, alongside a picture of John Terry bibbing his fucking eyes out.
You get the picture.......

[Phil M]

Yep. Think that's fair enough.

I just find the fawning over him strange. Especially given the similarities between his recent record and Roy's. Roy was instantly laughed at by us, and rightly so, but Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas is seen as some sort of managerial great. It doesnt add up to me.

Not going off what he's actually achieved. There's no real body of evidence there to suggest he's good enough to be touted as a possible replacement for Kenny, no more so then there was for Roy to be the man to replace Rafa.

How many managers have achieved what Villas Boas has at 33 years of age? Why would you make a comparison with Hodgson? It's not "fawning" it's admiration and appreciation of a very talented and very young manager who has a similiar background to Mourinho who has a clear idea of how football should be played and if supported could have a very successful future in the game.

[Red Genius]

To be fair to Chelsea fans, the vast majority of them appear to be thoroughly pissed off about all of this. I don't think it's exactly fair to take the words of a few tits on SSN as gospel.

Not in London, so i wouldn't know. But i personally would never be happy with the club talking about long term projects and visions being embraced a handful of months prior to ripping up that script and starting again.

They need to embrace one manager and support him for 3-5 years no matter what happens in year one or two. If they believe in the individual show it. It's evident the playing squad needs and overhaul.

[capt_methane]

How very dare you !!!  Sir John Terry of England, I ask you !!
Trouble is, how do we know that the poison hasn't spread, it needs a fucking strong manager, and one that can look them in the eye, whilst putting a Champions league medal on the table, alongside a picture of John Terry bibbing his fucking eyes out.
You get the picture.......

They might have already tried that

[Hazell]

How many managers have achieved what Villas Boas has at 33 years of age? Why would you make a comparison with Hodgson? It's not "fawning" it's admiration and appreciation of a very talented and very young manager who has a similiar background to Mourinho who has a clear idea of how football should be played and if supported could have a very successful future in the game.

True. The other thing is Villas Boas had a long term plan whereas Roy was bought in to 'steady the ship'.

[.Mike]

Van Gaal should go there.

Would be hilarious.

[L666KOP]

Yep. Think that's fair enough.

I just find the fawning over him strange. Especially given the similarities between his recent record and Roy's. Roy was instantly laughed at by us, and rightly so, but Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas is seen as some sort of managerial great. It doesnt add up to me.

I'll tell you exactly what it is mate, he's followed a not too disimilar path to Maureen, and everyone jumps on the Portuagese, Porto champions, Uefa Cup winners, used to work for Mourinho and looks a bit suave bandwaggon.

He took a step too far too early, and it may well prove to be the undoing of him, there's nowt like confidence in you're ability, but this needs to be tempered with a certain degree of being cautious, he knew exactly what the score was at Chelsea, having worked there under Maureen, and maybe he thought this would garner him a bit more respect, and time to get things right. He was wrong, walking into that job is like entering a vipers nest.

[Cpt_Reina]

How many managers have achieved what Villas Boas has at 33 years of age? Why would you make a comparison with Hodgson? It's not "fawning" it's admiration and appreciation of a very talented and very young manager who has a similiar background to Mourinho who has a clear idea of how football should be played and if supported could have a very successful future in the game.

He's had 1 good season. 1.

That's the entire body of evidence people have to go on. Well that 1 good season and this 1 poor one.

And based on that people think he's a candidate to take over from Kenny? Its madness.

Like I say, Roy has 1 good year. He got to a European final. And he was a disaster for us.

Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas had 1 good year, got to a European final (and won). And he didnt deliver at Chelsea.

He might well go on to become a very good manager, but to suggest that he's good enough to manage Liverpool based on 1 year of success is folly. Just as it was for the Ingurland press pack to suggest Roy could do it.

[Fruity]

How very dare you !!!  Sir John Terry of England, I ask you !!
Trouble is, how do we know that the poison hasn't spread, it needs a fucking strong manager, and one that can look them in the eye, whilst putting a Champions league medal on the table, alongside a picture of John Terry bibbing his fucking eyes out.
You get the picture.......

I guess the key thing is do we really want to see the end of John Terry's Tears? I certainly don't.

So unless rafa was to go there, I think its best for everyone that Terry is kept firmly in place

[Bobby Ffowler]

funny isnt it, raffa is now a worldclass manager, only  a few years back he was a tinkering, cold mannered, stubborn fat spanish waiter!! fuk c*nt press wankers!

Youd have to eriously question why any up coming or world class manager would go to chelsea. if you want a payday then go to chelsea, Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas is surely 20m up on his personal fortune now hes been sacked!

Id hate raffa to go there, shithouse souless, lifless tampon of a club. stay well clear boss!

[HELLRAZOR]

Van Gaal should go there.

Would be hilarious.

or fat sam

[L666KOP]

They might have already tried that

Strong enough ??
Never came across as a particularly strong person to me, but what do I know?
I have a feeling it was more Roman than the players that caused the axe to fall on Ancellotti.

[rossipersiempre]

I think it's laughable that Abramovic actually paid Porto Ł12m for Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas to build some sort of Guardiola-type legacy there (as opposed to the poisonous one Mourinho left in the dressing room), yet gave him zero backing in terms of actually doing the necessary dirty work.

[Phil M]

He's had 1 good season. 1.

That's the entire body of evidence people have to go on. Well that 1 good season and this 1 poor one.

And based on that people think he's a candidate to take over from Kenny? Its madness.

Like I say, Roy has 1 good year. He got to a European final. And he was a disaster for us.

Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas had 1 good year, got to a European final (and won). And he didnt deliver at Chelsea.

He might well go on to become a very good manager, but to suggest that he's good enough to manage Liverpool based on 1 year of success is folly. Just as it was for the Ingurland press pack to suggest Roy could do it.

You're unfairly tarring anyone who's been supportive of him with the same brush. Whilst I admire his achievements I don't think he'd be most people's first choice to take over if Kenny was stepping aside regardless of his Chelsea tenure. Hodgson didn't win a domestic double and see his team go undefeated in the league. Pointless comparison.

[scared_person]

Managers who never left Chelsea outside of the top 4.

Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas at this stage in his career has a lot of similarities with Roy Hodgson if you ask me.

Both had one good year, Roy over achieved with Fulham, Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas did well for Porto.

Both got their team to a european final, Porto won theirs. Just.

Both moved to bigger clubs, say what you will about Porto and Chelsea, but Chelsea are a bigger club in a bigger league. And both were found wanting.

Now Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas might well go on to become a much better manager then Hodge Podge, indeed he probably will. But people are falling over themselves to anoint him as this managerial heavyweight. When, comparatively, its not that different to how people in INGURLAND were lapping up what Hodgson was doing.

Oh how we ridiculed them for that.

That comparison is laughable for me. Roy had been in the game for ages and had never been a great manager. He had one good season after 30 odd of (mostly) mediocrity it was unlikely he was going to show himself as a managerial superstar.

Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas had one excellent season out of one. He may yet turn out to be average, but in summer it was only 100% positive. I wouldn't judge him too harshly on the chelsea business, club discipline there is a joke.

Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas is a might be, Roy is a never was.

[Cpt_Reina]

That comparison is laughable for me. Roy had been in the game for ages and had never been a great manager. He had one good season after 30 odd of (mostly) mediocrity it was unlikely he was going to show himself as a managerial superstar.

Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas had one excellent season out of one. He may yet turn out to be average, but in summer it was only 100% positive. I wouldn't judge him too harshly on the chelsea business, club discipline there is a joke.

Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas is a might be, Roy is a never was.

They both had 1 good season.

And now they've both been bombed out of the jobs they got as a result of that 1 good year.

People have seriously jumped the gun with Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas. He might well go on to become a very good manager, Ive never said he wont. But right now he's nowhere near being good enough to be touted as a possible future Liverpool manager.

Which is what I was referencing, not his general ability, his credentials to manage LFC.

At the moment his CV features little more then Hodgson's did when he was touted.

He may have won a league, but he won it with Porto. Hodgson was never going to win one with Fulham. But he did over achieve with them. And they both got their team's to the Europa league final. Porto managed to win theirs, but then they were playing Braga and Fulham had to face a much better Atletico Madrid team.

Im not saying Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas is shite, or that he wont one day be better then Hodgson. Just that right now saying that he could be a Liverpool manager of the future is as laughable as when the press suggested Roy could fill the role.

[cornelius]

Im not saying Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas is shite, or that he wont one day be better then Hodgson. Just that right now saying that he could be a Liverpool manager of the future is as laughable as when the press suggested Roy could fill the role.

I agree, it's even less credible now than it was last summer.

[Phil M]

I agree, it's even less credible now than it was last summer.

I don't see many here suggesting that he should be our next manager to be fair.

[L666KOP]

I think it's laughable that Abramovic actually paid Porto Ł12m for Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas to build some sort of Guardiola-type legacy there (as opposed to the poisonous one Mourinho left in the dressing room), yet gave him zero backing in terms of actually doing the necessary dirty work.

Results mate, if they'd been top of league, and on their way into quarters of Europe, with a CC win already under their belts he'd be golden, and on the back of it, allowed to mould a team.
But, as a player you're hardly going to pull your nuts out for the manager if you think that by doing so it makes it easier for him to dispense with you, are you ?
Guarantee we see a massive upturn in their performances now, they'll be desperate to prove it was Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas's fault they were underperforming.
Massive bunch of quims, the lot of them.

[Hunter Thompson]

Roy has over 34 years experience. Villas Boas is over 34 years. I can see the comparison alright.