Author Topic: Villlas-Boas sacked (Read 117242 times)

GBF · « **Reply #960 on:** February 6, 2012, 02:31:15 PM »

Quote from: shelovesyou on February 6, 2012, 02:20:38 PM

All supposition but the word is that the dressing room holds the power at that club, i think its fair to assume that,
and for me its an absolute fucking disgrace.
How many managers have the players now ousted because of their stubboness and atitude ?
Its a farce, and I think someone needs to step in and put a fucking stop to it.

Boas needs time, we can all see that, he'll be a fucking great manager, yes he needs to learn, needs to adapt, but half a season he's had, and
to all intents and purposes he may as well not be there, the players run that football club.

I fucking hate Chelsea, and their fans, but there must be some decent fans, i know one myself, and its them i feel for because the clubs a farce.
Long may it continue.

I suppose if Boas thought the situation would be different when he signed, then he is an idiot

Vidocq · « **Reply #961 on:** February 6, 2012, 02:33:28 PM »

he's very very shite, and i hope he stays for years to chelsea

shelovesyou · « **Reply #962 on:** February 6, 2012, 02:35:29 PM »

Quote from: GBF on February 6, 2012, 02:31:15 PM

I suppose if Boas thought the situation would be different when he signed, then he is an idiot

Its a challenge though isnt it, just to be given the chance , not many would turn it down.
He wouldnt be able to resist it, if reports of his ego and stubborness are to be believed.
Im not sure he's an idiot, but he needs to get rid of those players. Thats the only way to
sort it.

LanceLink · « **Reply #963 on:** February 6, 2012, 02:43:18 PM »

He looked a beaten man in the Match Of The Day interview last night., Kind of felt sorry for him....... then I grew some balls and had an inward chuckle.

GBF · « **Reply #964 on:** February 6, 2012, 05:23:28 PM »

Quote from: shelovesyou on February 6, 2012, 02:35:29 PM

Its a challenge though isnt it, just to be given the chance , not many would turn it down.
He wouldnt be able to resist it, if reports of his ego and stubborness are to be believed.
Im not sure he's an idiot, but he needs to get rid of those players. Thats the only way to
sort it.

seems like his ego clouded his reasoning. The Roman and certain players run the team, a bit like Real Madrid. I hope his reputation does not get tarnish like Rafa, he has talent but have that ridiculous ego like Ronaldo and Maureen (all from same part of the world)

Red Beret · « **Reply #965 on:** February 6, 2012, 05:36:03 PM »

Quote from: shelovesyou on February 6, 2012, 02:20:38 PM

All supposition but the word is that the dressing room holds the power at that club, i think its fair to assume that,
and for me its an absolute fucking disgrace.
How many managers have the players now ousted because of their stubboness and atitude ?
Its a farce, and I think someone needs to step in and put a fucking stop to it.

Boas needs time, we can all see that, he'll be a fucking great manager, yes he needs to learn, needs to adapt, but half a season he's had, and
to all intents and purposes he may as well not be there, the players run that football club.

I fucking hate Chelsea, and their fans, but there must be some decent fans, i know one myself, and its them i feel for because the clubs a farce.
Long may it continue.

The irony is Chelsea have been tottering for some time due to that player power but the players themselves cannot see it. They don't realise the common thread running through their string of failure is them. It's apparently always the fault of the manager.

xavidub · « **Reply #966 on:** February 6, 2012, 07:27:43 PM »

I love any trouble that they are experiencing. Absolutely nauseating club, owner and players. Tough on Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas but he will get plenty of ££££ to ease the hurt of the door hitting him on the arse. I really hope Mourinho doesn't end up back there though as they will be a serious force again.

rowan_d · « **Reply #967 on:** February 6, 2012, 09:00:54 PM »

If Villas Boas was sacked, and Kenny called it a day for whatever reason tomorrow, would you have him here?

mikemac · « **Reply #968 on:** February 6, 2012, 10:04:58 PM »

i wouldnt have him any where near us at the moment. Think the jury is still very much out on whether he is actually a good manager. He has done nothing at Chelsea so far that would support this and only has one season (granted a very good one) at Porto which will be forgotten about if he continues to fail with this Chelsea team.

MagicB8all · « **Reply #969 on:** February 7, 2012, 02:29:05 AM »

Quote from: mikemac on February 6, 2012, 10:04:58 PM

i wouldnt have him any where near us at the moment. Think the jury is still very much out on whether he is actually a good manager. He has done nothing at Chelsea so far that would support this and only has one season (granted a very good one) at Porto which will be forgotten about if he continues to fail with this Chelsea team.

correct and I'd prefer Rafa anyway!

Red_Rich · « **Reply #970 on:** February 7, 2012, 02:33:08 AM »

Quote from: rowan_d on February 6, 2012, 09:00:54 PM

If Villas Boas was sacked, and Kenny called it a day for whatever reason tomorrow, would you have him here?

No. Not saying he's not a good manager, but I don't think he'd be right for us and I think we could do better.

Mr Dilkington · « **Reply #971 on:** February 7, 2012, 02:35:47 AM »

Quote from: rowan_d on February 6, 2012, 09:00:54 PM

If Villas Boas was sacked, and Kenny called it a day for whatever reason tomorrow, would you have him here?

Yes. Plus, I'm pretty sure Villas Boas would find it cosier here. Chelsea is a highly temperamental club, a lot harder to manage than ours.

I think people are writing him off at their peril. He'll come good. He's just too good not to. Chelsea were always going to be in transition this year. I'm sure those who accepted it early doors are having a much better time of it than those who still think they are good enough to be challenging for the title.

Fwiw, I think they'll finish 3rd. As with any manager, the second season will be a shrewd time to cast a closer eye on the decisions he makes.

Essien coming back is huge for them though.

MagicB8all · « **Reply #972 on:** February 7, 2012, 02:38:11 AM »

@dilkington: Chelsea have not been in transition though have they? To me they look like the patched up old guard rather than a new emerging team.

Mr Dilkington · « **Reply #973 on:** February 7, 2012, 02:42:21 AM »

Quote from: Magic8Ball on February 7, 2012, 02:38:11 AM

@dilkington: Chelsea have not been in transition though have they? To me they look like the patched up old guard rather than a new emerging team.

Well this is it aint it?

I'd say a team trying to blood guys like Romeu in place of Lampard (not directly) and Sturridge ahead of the likes of Anelka and Malouda are a team in transition.

They have so many who clearly have potential but aren't quite there.

MagicB8all · « **Reply #974 on:** February 7, 2012, 02:54:08 AM »

Quote from: Mr Dilkington on February 7, 2012, 02:42:21 AM

Well this is it aint it?

I'd say a team trying to blood guys like Romeu in place of Lampard (not directly) and Sturridge ahead of the likes of Anelka and Malouda are a team in transition.

They have so many who clearly have potential but aren't quite there.

I thought they were using our own Raul instead of Lampard ;-). Bottom line is Chelsea can afford to go out and buy talent for the key positions. They haven't. which leads me to thinking:
1 player power is stopping it
2 Abrom' doesn't really trust Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas
3 all of the above

Mr Dilkington · « **Reply #975 on:** February 7, 2012, 02:58:35 AM »

Meireles is shite though

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kcbworth · « **Reply #976 on:** February 7, 2012, 03:19:32 AM »

Quote from: Vidocq on February 6, 2012, 02:33:28 PM

he's very very shite, and i hope he stays for years to chelsea

disagree... if he stays at Chelsea for years they will become a powerhouse... and I for one dont want that. Bring back to the merry go round. I'd have Villas Boas here in a heartbeat if Kenny was to leave and Rafa wasn't in the position to give the job what it needs.

Armand9 · « **Reply #977 on:** February 7, 2012, 03:35:01 AM »

Jury's still out on him for me. He tried to get Chelsea playing a different way, shit hit the fan, reverted back to type (whether that was his choice or it came down from above I've no idea). I don't see anything really different about the way chelsea play, seems the same as it's always been since maureen's days but they're nowhere near as good.

If they sack him after one season, then you'd just have to laugh really, like what' the fucking point of going to manage for them apart from picking up a fat payoff (on second thoughts...). At some point they're going to have to persever with a manager, so they may as well give him a decent run.

Some of his subs have puzzled me but that is probably true of all managers including our own, however, the decision to take Sturridge off against the mancs was truly baffling - malouda was total dogshit all game and sturridge was their only real threat. Couldn't understand the subbing choice at all. Once he was off utd could attack with impunity - they would've attacked anyway but with him on the pitch he might have got a counter chance or at least alleviated pressure. Weird one that.

Vidocq · « **Reply #978 on:** February 7, 2012, 04:20:09 AM »

Quote from: kcbworth on February 7, 2012, 03:19:32 AM

disagree... if he stays at Chelsea for years they will become a powerhouse... and I for one dont want that. Bring back to the merry go round. I'd have Villas Boas here in a heartbeat if Kenny was to leave and Rafa wasn't in the position to give the job what it needs.

i dont think he's ever going to be good as Ancelotti though, so i dont mind him staying for years

xavidub · « **Reply #979 on:** February 7, 2012, 09:58:58 AM »

Quote from: Mr Dilkington on February 7, 2012, 02:35:47 AM

Essien coming back is huge for them though.

It really isn't. He was immense in his day, and he isn't a shadow of that great player now.

LiverLuke · « **Reply #980 on:** February 7, 2012, 10:00:04 AM »

yeah essien looked a bit lost against united. maybe he'll get it back but its unlikely.

J-Mc- · « **Reply #981 on:** February 7, 2012, 03:11:08 PM »

Main problem with Chelsea at the minute IMO is they're not trying to build a team around just one player, they're trying to accomodate 3-4 at once and it simply can't work.

They're trying to play to Torres, Mata and Sturridge' strengths instead of focusing on one player. It really hampers them.

If I was in AVBs position then I'd try and build it around Mata, with Torres and Sturridge upfront.

Like this:

Cech

Ivanovic Cahill Terry Cole

Essien

Ramires Mata Malouda

Sturridge Torres

With Torres being the further forward of the two, have Ramires coming inside and Sturridge dropping to the right when needed to turn it to a 4-1-4-1, Torres staying up top on his own and then have Mata dictating the play from a slightly deeper role than he plays.

They definately need to bring in 3 new defenders though, Cole, Terry and Ivanovic are on a downward slide now.

lankyguy007 · « **Reply #982 on:** February 7, 2012, 04:53:05 PM »

I think 4-3-3 is what Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas wants to play and has played in the main. The 4-2-3-1 he played on Sunday probably works better in support for Torres however I'm unsure as to whether Mata's actually the right player to get the best out of Torres. For a couple of reasons. First, Mata's movement tends to be recieving the ball and playing it across to the flanks. He often drops deep and is unlike Gerrard in that Gerrard generally looked to play Torres in behind or to his feet and always looked to make powerful vertical runs forward to support and penetrate high up. The second thing that comes from this is that Mata is not that direct. He operates between the lines often but doesn't play in Torres early generally and instead tries a different approach. Numerous times on Sunday, Torres made clever offensive movements and then wasn't played in that early and ended up in wide positions. That's why Torres has never been as impressive for Spain as Villa has. Torres is direct. He likes to recieve the ball early to get in behind or take on the centre back and test his mobility. He can also play the 'ball into feet' role as he sometimes did when he was playing up with Gerrard. However Gerrard was very willing to run in behind.

J-Mc- · « **Reply #983 on:** February 7, 2012, 05:17:30 PM »

Quote from: lankyguy007 on February 7, 2012, 04:53:05 PM

I think 4-3-3 is what Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas wants to play and has played in the main. The 4-2-3-1 he played on Sunday probably works better in support for Torres however I'm unsure as to whether Mata's actually the right player to get the best out of Torres. For a couple of reasons. First, Mata's movement tends to be recieving the ball and playing it across to the flanks. He often drops deep and is unlike Gerrard in that Gerrard generally looked to play Torres in behind or to his feet and always looked to make powerful vertical runs forward to support and penetrate high up. The second thing that comes from this is that Mata is not that direct. He operates between the lines often but doesn't play in Torres early generally and instead tries a different approach. Numerous times on Sunday, Torres made clever offensive movements and then wasn't played in that early and ended up in wide positions. That's why Torres has never been as impressive for Spain as Villa has. Torres is direct. He likes to recieve the ball early to get in behind or take on the centre back and test his mobility. He can also play the 'ball into feet' role as he sometimes did when he was playing up with Gerrard. However Gerrard was very willing to run in behind.

Some points you've made there are exactly why I think they should build around Mata instead of trying to build around Torres, Sturridge ect.

He operates between the lines, distributing play
He likes to drop deep and recieve the ball
He can score and support the forwards when given freedom
He has the ability to unlock defences

They're trying to build around the wrong players when the right one is there in the middle of the field.

Mata could be their Modric.

Phil M · « **Reply #984 on:** February 7, 2012, 05:18:41 PM »

Quote from: J-Mc- on February 7, 2012, 05:17:30 PM

Some points you've made there are exactly why I think they should build around Mata instead of trying to build around Torres, Sturridge ect.

He operates between the lines, distributing play
He likes to drop deep and recieve the ball
He can score and support the forwards when given freedom
He has the ability to unlock defences

They're trying to build around the wrong players when the right one is there in the middle of the field.

Mata could be their Modric.

Or their Silva.

Red Beret · « **Reply #985 on:** February 7, 2012, 05:54:40 PM »

Going to Chelsea was probably the worst decision Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas could have made.

tubby · « **Reply #986 on:** February 7, 2012, 07:33:02 PM »

He needs time but I will be amazed if he's still manager if they don't finish in the top 4.

Do feel a bit sorry for him but he knew what he was getting into and the second he started listening to the players/owner when it came to tactics, he was in trouble.

shelovesyou · « **Reply #987 on:** February 8, 2012, 05:06:50 PM »

In 4 yrs £64m on Managers alone.
Mental.
If true of course.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/feb/08/chelsea-accounts-villas-boas-ancelotti?CMP=twt_gu

thelinnen · « **Reply #988 on:** February 8, 2012, 06:12:30 PM »

Quote from: Magic8Ball on February 7, 2012, 02:54:08 AM

I thought they were using our own Raul instead of Lampard ;-). Bottom line is Chelsea can afford to go out and buy talent for the key positions. They haven't. which leads me to thinking:
1 player power is stopping it
2 Abrom' doesn't really trust Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas
3 all of the above

4 Abramovich doesn't want to buy a new starting 11 again.

Harinder · « **Reply #989 on:** February 14, 2012, 12:23:46 AM »

Reports circulating about training ground mutiny of sorts regarding tactics et al in Abramovich meeting on Sunday just gone

Surely they can't be that short sighted and get shot of another manager.

Filler. · « **Reply #990 on:** February 14, 2012, 12:58:48 AM »

On Radio 5 'a source' - whatever that means - was saying that Abramovich has been at training for 4 days straight recently and hasn't been impressed. Apparently he'll be there tomorrow. Now obviously this could be rumour etc... but - he has form.

I'd love to be charitable towards Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas (and I hate shortening names to acronyms but really, it's far too long a name) but he's come in there with a clipboard - this is what it seems to me anyway... he's come in there with a clipboard and an array of MASSIVELY indepth analysis on stats and ideas and youthful enthusiasm and maybe a desire to outdo Mourinho and ended up on his arse because he's forget to actually observe anything on the training pitch - and to addle that with what he watches in games. Now I know that's easy for me to say.

I don't watch them week in week out, but he has being trying to force a system onto players that they aren't comfortable with. High lines, Torres wide - a clunky front line, and a midfield that just doesn't seem to know what it wants to do. And I don't think that's great management. There's got to be a blend, when you first come in, to merge your ideals with the toys you have at your disposal, and I don't think that's happened.

But they'd be mad to get rid. They will tho.

rafathegaffa83 · « **Reply #991 on:** February 14, 2012, 01:01:07 AM »

Quote

Chelsea players confront André Villas-Boas in training-ground row

• Club tensions mounting following 2-0 defeat at Everton
• Owner Roman Abramovich at Cobham on day of row

David Hytner
guardian.co.uk, Monday 13 February 2012 22.59 GMT

André Villas-Boas sparked a blazing row with some of his senior Chelsea players on Sunday after calling the squad in on their day off to vent his anger over the 2-0 defeat at Everton. The manager tore into his players, who had pockmarked their display with sloppy errors, but he found that some of them gave back as good as they got. In the blow-up, they told him exactly what they thought of him and his tactics, to lay bare the tensions at the club.

Villas-Boas believes that he has the support of the owner, Roman Abramovich, who was also present at the training ground on Sunday. Abramovich's focus is no longer consumed by his $5bn (£3.2bn) litigation battle with Boris Berezovsky – the high court hearing ended on 19 January and Mrs Justice Gloster is in the throes of writing her judgment – and he has been a regular at Cobham since the Saturday before last which, inevitably, has heightened the pressure on Villas-Boas. Abramovich, though, does not want to sack the young Portuguese, having taken the decision on his own to appoint him as the successor to Carlo Ancelotti last summer, and he shared in the manager's frustrations with the players.

The defeat at Goodison Park, which exacerbated the club's Premier League slump and dropped them out of the Champions League places, was, by comment consent, the team's worst performance of a season that has seen them fail to compete for the title. They lag 17 points behind the league leaders Manchester City.

A big part of Villas-Boas's brief is to rejuvenate the Chelsea squad, to assimilate talented young players while still competing for silverware. He has maintained that a club of Chelsea's stature cannot tolerate mere transition. But, inevitably, he has found himself unpopular with the older guard, whom he feels he must phase out.

He caused a stir with his man-management when he banished Nicolas Anelka and Alex to train with the reserves, after they had requested transfers in December; the popular pair departed in January for Shanghai Shenhua and Paris St-Germain respectively. Villas-Boas has also clashed with Frank Lampard and Didier Drogba while even the high-profile January signing, Gary Cahill, has been left bewildered at his treatment. He has played only once in his five weeks at the club.

Chelsea's hopes of a trophy have come to rest on the FA Cup and Champions League – the latter is the one that Abramovich covets above all others – and their next two fixtures are in those competitions. They play Birmingham City in the FA Cup fifth round at Stamford Bridge on Saturday before they travel to Napoli for the Champions League last-16 first-leg next Tuesday. The captain, John Terry, hopes to return from a knee injury to face Birmingham, while Drogba and Salomon Kalou are due back on Wednesday from the Africa Cup of Nations.

The pressure in each tie will be intense, with the resentment towards Villas-Boas in some quarters adding further spice. Villas-Boas's assistant, Roberto Di Matteo, is also under scrutiny, with Abramovich picking up on the feeling during his visits to the training ground that the former Italy international is unpopular with the players. Abramovich turned to Villas-Boas after dismissing Ancelotti at the end of last season following, coincidentally, a Premier League defeat at Everton, having been impressed at how the 34-year-old won the treble of league, cup and Europa League with Porto. He is desperate for Villas-Boas to succeed, not least as firing him would call into question the wisdom of investing such faith in a talent without an extensive track record.

It is never prudent, though, to second-guess Abramovich, who has sacked five managers during his eight-and-a-half-year stewardship of the club. He dismissed Luiz Felipe Scolari in February 2009 when the club's membership of the Premier League's top four was in jeopardy. Villas-Boas is acutely aware of the need to qualify for next season's Champions League.

The fallout from Everton in the Chelsea dressing room also featured a candid assessment from the goalkeeper Petr Cech. "When you lose a game 2-0 and you are Chelsea football club, playing for the Champions League and with big expectations, losing is not good enough and the performance was not good enough. That's why we lost.

"We took so many passes side to side and we never really opened them up. In the second half, we tried to play more direct but they were fighting well and kept organised, and 1-0 up so early became so much more difficult to break."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/feb/13/chelsea-players-andre-villas-boas-row

Mr Dilkington · « **Reply #992 on:** February 14, 2012, 01:21:37 AM »

If Abramovic has any sense, he'll get rid of all the big billy wankers at Chelsea, keep Villas Boas and let him build his own team.

It's the same cretins letting them down every time really isn't it? The likes of Mata and Ramires seem to be on his side, and it's those guys Chelsea should be trying to keep happy - if anyone.

It's the same twats under performing now as it when Ancelotti was in charge. Cole looks so lazy and bored nowadays, Cech has been shite for going on three years now, and JT and super Frank still have too much influence over the club. Seriously, the first thing any Chelsea manager should do is get rid of both of them.

Sturridge moaning about wanting to play up front too. Villas Boas is the first Chelsea manager that's actually played you you fucking ignorant twat. Bet he'll be one of those who'll be whispering behind his back.

Villas Boas won't be there next season though, which is good for us in the long run. Abramovic will just go and listen to the c*nts who have been putting Chelsea in decline for the last two years. Ah well, I'm not complaining!

rafathegaffa83 · « **Reply #993 on:** February 14, 2012, 01:23:24 AM »

Quote from: Mr Dilkington on February 14, 2012, 01:21:37 AM

If Abramovic has any sense, he'll get rid of all the big billy wankers at Chelsea, keep Villas Boas and let him build his own team.

It's the same cretins letting them down every time really isn't it? The likes of Mata and Ramires seem to be on his side, and it's those guys Chelsea should be trying to keep happy - if anyone.

It's the same twats under performing now as it when Ancelotti was in charge. Cole looks so lazy and bored nowadays, Cech has been shite for going on three years now, and JT and super Frank still have too much influence over the club. Seriously, the first thing any Chelsea manager should do is get rid of both of them.

I agree, however the longer they stay, the better it is for the likes of us as they will likely plunge into further disarray.

Mr Dilkington · « **Reply #994 on:** February 14, 2012, 01:25:37 AM »

Absolutely mate.

Thing is, if and when Kenny ever does decide to leave, I'd be happy to have Villas Boas, and would be over the moon with Ancelotti.

Filler. · « **Reply #995 on:** February 14, 2012, 01:29:14 AM »

Quote from: Mr Dilkington on February 14, 2012, 01:25:37 AM

Absolutely mate.

Thing is, if and when Kenny ever does decide to leave, I'd be happy to have Villas Boas, and would be over the moon with Ancelotti.

what?

rafathegaffa83 · « **Reply #996 on:** February 14, 2012, 01:29:50 AM »

Quote from: Mr Dilkington on February 14, 2012, 01:25:37 AM

Absolutely mate.

Thing is, if and when Kenny ever does decide to leave, I'd be happy to have Villas Boas, and would be over the moon with Ancelotti.

Definitely, I think like Ancelotti, Villas Boas will come out of this crisis long-term better than Chelsea will. I still think he'll end up being a quality manager elsewhere.

Mr Dilkington · « **Reply #997 on:** February 14, 2012, 01:33:00 AM »

Quote from: Filler. on February 14, 2012, 01:29:14 AM

what?

Which part didn't you understand? Then I may be able to help

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Filler. · « **Reply #998 on:** February 14, 2012, 01:45:37 AM »

Quote from: Mr Dilkington on February 14, 2012, 01:33:00 AM

Which part didn't you understand? Then I may be able to help .

The part where 100% conviction that we had the right manager at the helm here was dropped.

'over the moon at Ancelloti?' Fuck me.

Mr Dilkington · « **Reply #999 on:** February 14, 2012, 01:48:26 AM »

Quote from: Filler. on February 14, 2012, 01:45:37 AM

The part where 100% conviction that we had the right manager at the helm here was dropped.

Ah, fuck it. I can't even be bothered to get dragged into this.

If that reads like I'm not 100% behind Kenny, then all I can say is I am. Especially after the weekend.