Author Topic: LFC Transfer Chat IV - Return Of The Red-Eye: 3 LINES+ OR POST GETS DELETED (Read 143003 times)

stevied · « **Reply #40 on:** June 12, 2011, 05:06:15 PM »

Love to see Jones come to us just to wonder the look on Taggerts face
Clichy would be a great purchase for basically nothing
Kenny keep spending we can never have enough good players
I cant wait for August to come round

kidnesiac · « **Reply #41 on:** June 12, 2011, 05:06:38 PM »

if the Xabi-Kenny meeting is true, i wouldn't be surprised if they are chatting about Spanish players who are a good fit for Liverpool. Xabi has shown he's a student of Liverpool and football in general, so he's probably trying to get a feel for Kenny's tactics and philosophy. I hope they are discussing Mata, Cazorla, Griezmann, and perhaps Canales since Xabi sees him in training everyday.

mercurial · « **Reply #42 on:** June 12, 2011, 05:08:05 PM »

Quote from: Aristotle on June 12, 2011, 04:56:39 PM

They did. My point is that McLeish got Birmingham relegated and is now favourite to take over at Villa.

Henderson for 11m is a great deal, and an almost realistic one at that.
Fair play to DC, he seems to be doing a stand up job

11m would be a steal, is that what we paid, seems far off from the 20 people said. Typically a players individual valuation would vary a lot based on his age, potential, which team he is moving to, the selling team's financial position and so on. We have to wait for other transfer and judge in august on how this one ranks in with other similar transfers. I think we need to look at the improvement to our squad at the end of the window. See how much we paid and how much has the team improved as a result and then decide if it makes sense. So many people here are quick to write off a player and slag off the owners, Comolli and the players. It is important to realize that one of the major reasons we have FSG as our owners is their track record in managing sports teams. I am sure they would choose wisely in bidding for players and have their valuations correct. If not, then Comolli has to look for a new job come new year.

timmyonions · « **Reply #43 on:** June 12, 2011, 05:09:47 PM »

Quote from: geoffstrong on June 12, 2011, 05:01:21 PM

Joking over right back to reality!
who else do we need and in what positions?
how in gods name will we offload the remnents of the Hodgson era?

To answer your final question,i htink we`ll find it difficult to move on the like of poulsen and Jova etc.They are on wages now that will,in no way,be matched if they move on to another club now.So with that they won`t be in any hurry to push for a move.We`ll get the "i`m willing to fight for my place" line from them.In other words "i`m happy to sit on the bench for bucket loads of cash every week".

Thats the danger with handing out contracts cecil was handing out whilst he played footy manager last summer.I`m sure Henry will do everything in his power to shift these off the books.Unfortunately they are entitled to see out their contracts,i don`t blame the players for the problem,i wouldn`t even blame them if they stayed.It was all purslows doing.

James Mac · « **Reply #44 on:** June 12, 2011, 05:10:52 PM »

Whilst I don't think Alonso will come to us, surely the purchase of Sahin is a sign that Alonso won't be getting as many games as he used to. I'd take Alonso over Adam every day of the week. A midfield three of Alonso, Lucas, Gerrard - it'll be just like old times. Except this time, we'll have a decent front 3 (still holding out for my Mata - Carroll - Suarez dream

)

On the subject, is the latest on Mata still that we'll talk after the U21 games?

SpionBob · « **Reply #45 on:** June 12, 2011, 05:13:20 PM »

Quote from: geoffstrong on June 12, 2011, 05:01:21 PM

Joking over right back to reality!
who else do we need and in what positions?
how in gods name will we offload the remnents of the Hodgson era?

How about Konchesky, Poulsen, Cole and 10 mill for Xabi? If only! Seriously, what would be a realistic price for Alonso now-probably ~20 mill with 2 years on his contract. In a years time-maybe down to 5-8 mill. Might be worth doing business then. I think Real Madrid will not challenge Barcelona this season and with the age of their team they look likely to dominate for a good while yet. Plus Xabi hates the portuguese scumbag showpony formerly of old tip fame.

irishmike639 · « **Reply #46 on:** June 12, 2011, 05:18:57 PM »

Maybe the whole Kenny/Xabi thing is as simple as Kenny texting to say 'Xabi, give me a shout the next time you're in the city, I've got a few things I want to run past you.' 'Sure thing, Kenny, I'll be over this weekend. Where do you want to meet?' 'Come down my local, we can have a private chat there.' 'See you Sunday afternoon.'

Kenny - 'Good to see you, Xabi, you're looking well. Have you lost weight? Listen, what's the mood like over in Madrid and how unsettled are Higuain, Benzema and Canales?'

El Festino · « **Reply #47 on:** June 12, 2011, 05:23:32 PM »

A certain respected individual is reporting movement on three transfer targets today. One is believed to be an improved offer for Cahill. Considering we went to 21m/22m to for Jones (assuming we were willing to buy him at that price as opposed to upping the price for the mancs) what is it going to take to get Cahill. Anyone know what BW are looking for? Interest from Citee could turn this into ridiculous money.

Groundskeeper Willie · « **Reply #48 on:** June 12, 2011, 05:23:34 PM »

One thing I think about when reading about this player and that player is what system is Kenny and Clarke going to play?

Seems we are after a lot of central midfielders. We currently have Gerrard, Lucas, Shelvey, Meireles, Spearing and we are after Adam and have bought Henderson (bought as a RM?). That´s 7 central mids, including Henderson. Is that a sign?

So what formation is preferred by the manager? In my limited knowledge, I never quite could work out what formation we played last season. Sometimes I thought we played several different formations in one game.

So is it 4-2-3-1? 4-3-3? 3-5-2? 4-4-2?

Or is this Amoot point? Share your Wisdom please.

James Mac · « **Reply #49 on:** June 12, 2011, 05:28:51 PM »

Quote from: Groundskeeper Willie on June 12, 2011, 05:23:34 PM

Get the feeling it'll be a flexible 4-4-1-1, with Henderson/Meireles tucking in from out wide to make a midfield 3 (4-3-3). Carroll as the spearhead (but often dropping deep), and then Suarez and whoever we sign for left wing creating havoc and switching positions a lot.

But, as the great Roy Hodgson once said: "it's all semantics". I think we'll just be playing a lot of pass and move.

Adeemo · « **Reply #50 on:** June 12, 2011, 05:30:41 PM »

Quote from: El Festino on June 12, 2011, 05:23:32 PM

A certain respected individual is reporting movement on three transfer targets today. One is believed to be an improved offer for Cahill. Considering we went to 21m/22m to for Jones (assuming we were willing to buy him at that price as opposed to upping the price for the mancs) what is it going to take to get Cahill. Anyone know what BW are looking for? Interest from Citee could turn this into ridiculous money.

It wouldn't surprise me if Manchester City were looking abroad in their attempts to find a decent partner for Kompany, maybe a bigger, more established player with CL experience.

lucas leivas #1 fan · « **Reply #51 on:** June 12, 2011, 05:35:14 PM »

Quote from: andspecks on June 12, 2011, 05:04:19 PM

If Xabi is in Formby at Formby Golf Hall, seems to me it would be more likely that he would be hanging out with Gerrard rather than Kenny to be honest.

Gerrard is in Norway at the moment visiting John Arne Riise though isnt he? or is he back from that now? I could actually see Alonso returning, I mean realistically Real will not win the league with Barcelona in the form they are in, so why not come back to the place he is most adored?

seeing as it looks like we have missed ut on Jones, what are peoples thoughts on Dann?

smicer07 · « **Reply #52 on:** June 12, 2011, 05:37:43 PM »

3 lines means 3 lines. One word does not constitute a line...

AlphaDelta · « **Reply #53 on:** June 12, 2011, 05:44:56 PM »

As much as I would love to see Xabi Alonso back attempting to beat keepers from his own half of the pitch, I think it's highly unlikely. During the LFC.TV interview he clearly stated that his children are now settled in Spain and he doesnt really want the aggro of uprooting his family again and moving to a new country. Yes, he did say "never say never" but thats like me saying "will I resist the urge to throw a £20 note in the fruity when pissed? well never say never"

Furthermore, Spearing, Lucas, Raul, Gerrard, Maxi, Kuyt, Cole, Henderson, Poulsen - all midfielders currently on the books, now we know Poulsen and probably Cole will be going in the Summer, but what about Spearing and signing a new deal, will he go out on loan? what about Henderson, £16mil to not get a game? Not to mention talk of Charlie Adam coming!

Maybe one day Xabi will come "home" but I dont think it will be this summer.

Y2J · « **Reply #54 on:** June 12, 2011, 05:45:59 PM »

Regarding Dann, I admit I didn't watch Birmingham that much but to be honest, I think he'll do good at our defense, I wanted Jones as he is a ball playing defender but since he seems destined to join Manchester United, I think Dann is a good shout to buy. However there is a difference of the style of play between Dann and Jones as it seems Jones is more of a ball playing defender while Dann is a more of a center defender who just takes the ball from the opposition and gives it straight away to a team mate. Also Dann isn't as young as Jones but he is also not that old and if anything we saw last season, it is that Kenny and especially Clark can improve the way our players defend as evident by the massive improvements to Johnson's and Skrtel's defending in the latter stages of the season.

I think Dann can be a replacement to Carra, and a good player to use till Wisdom matures enough to become a first team player, I think we should sell Soto and take in Dann, and with Wilson going on loan to Rangers (this will give him much needed experience especially that Rangers will play in Europe next season). If we an sell Agger for a good sum of money and bring in a ball playing defender who is less injury prone with a reasonable price that don't affect the net pay that much then I'm all for it.

Otherwise, it doesn't seem wise to me to play with 4 CBs with one injured for the most part of the season while the others have almost the same style and one of them is 34 years of age, especially that we'll have one less option now that Wilson is back at Rangers and Kelly is unproven as a CB.

The plan should be like this:

- This year we buy Dann and a new ball playing defender, sell Agger for a good amount of money and Soto. Our four CBs are new CB, Dann, Skrtel and Carra. Carra could be relied upon in helping the two new buys settle and he won't cause too much fuss if he doesn't play week in, week out. Skrtel, if he continues his form from the end part of last season will be a good relied upon option, Dann is also a good relied upon option as well who will play more against physical opponents, the new ball playing defender should be our main defender next season, while Carra will play against the tough oppositions, same way Chelsea employed Makelele during his later years there.

- Next year, Wilson returns, Carra stays with us but accepts that his playing time will be minimal, our four CBs stay as they are plus Wilson (who will still be young to be registered), while Wisdom is loaned to a lower PL club or a championship club to prove himself at first team level.

-Year after, Carra moves up to management, our back four are: new ball playing defender, Skrtel, Dann and Wilson plus Wisdom (who gets to play in cup matches and against easier oppositions)

-Year after, we sell Skrtel, who will be 30 and buy a new young CB or upgrade from the academy.

lfcderek · « **Reply #55 on:** June 12, 2011, 05:54:06 PM »

Time is getting shorter and there's much for you to do (80 days!)
Only ask and you will get what you are needing (Hazard, Baines, Cahill)
The rest is up to you (FSG)
Plant your love and let it grow (Mrs JH!)

OK! OK! - Mata, Enrique, Dann

redmark · « **Reply #56 on:** June 12, 2011, 06:03:01 PM »

Quote from: Y2J on June 12, 2011, 05:45:59 PM

Regarding Dann... 4 year plan...

I'd agree with the general thrust of all of that. Again, I've not seen a great deal of Dann, but his injury record would be a bit of a worry.

DanA · « **Reply #57 on:** June 12, 2011, 06:04:40 PM »

Quote from: Y2J on June 12, 2011, 05:45:59 PM

.
The plan should be like this:

- This year we buy Dann and a new ball playing defender, sell Agger for a good amount of money and Soto. Our four CBs are new CB, Dann, Skrtel and Carra. Carra could be relied upon in helping the two new buys settle and he won't cause too much fuss if he doesn't play week in, week out. Skrtel, if he continues his form from the end part of last season will be a good relied upon option, Dann is also a good relied upon option as well who will play more against physical opponents, the new ball playing defender should be our main defender next season, while Carra will play against the tough oppositions, same way Chelsea employed Makelele during his later years there.

- Next year, Wilson returns, Carra stays with us but accepts that his playing time will be minimal, our four CBs stay as they are plus Wilson (who will still be young to be registered), while Wisdom is loaned to a lower PL club or a championship club to prove himself at first team level.

-Year after, Carra moves up to management, our back four are: new ball playing defender, Skrtel, Dann and Wilson plus Wisdom (who gets to play in cup matches and against easier oppositions)

-Year after, we sell Skrtel, who will be 30 and buy a new young CB or upgrade from the academy.

I don't like your plan much.

1. Rather get a ball playing CB this year if we sell Agger
2. Don't think Wilson is good enough and think Wisdom has already gone past him
3. Think Carra will want to play as much as possible.
4. Not sold on Dann

Ideal for me would be to get Vertonghen & Lovren for the following reasons:
1. Vertonghen is good in the air and a ball carrying CB who can cover LB, CB & DM well. We have little cover in any of these positions
2. Lovren looks pretty talented and good enough to challenge Skrtel but young enough to accept a little less game time short term
3. They are better players IMO

Bjinxi · « **Reply #58 on:** June 12, 2011, 06:13:25 PM »

Quote from: Picklez on June 12, 2011, 04:40:41 PM

Michal Kadlec, plays for Leverkusen and also first choice left back for his national team (Czechoslovakia) has been suggested that he wants to move. Any Bundesliga-watchers rate him?

I watch him regularly since I live in Leverkusen. He is an okay-ish LB I would say. Loves to go forward and has a good free kick in him. He sometimes seems a bit lazy and kind of dreaming when playing. Dont know if he would play well in the pl.
He has said that he wants a change but I dont think it will be this season since Leverkusen play in the CL. Next year - maybe. Would we need him then?? - I dont think so

iamrobk · « **Reply #59 on:** June 12, 2011, 06:14:00 PM »

So am I correct in assuming that there's nothing to the rumor someone posted in the last topic about us signing Hazard? Would be nice to get him but I really can't see it happening (unfortunately!). Also, sure it would be nice to get Alonso back but it's not happening and we don't need any more CM's anyway, so to be honest I'm kind of glad we're not thinking about spending a lot of money on it.

I do hope we get Chamberlain though, would be great to snatch him away from Arsenal.

PETERC1992 · « **Reply #60 on:** June 12, 2011, 06:18:51 PM »

Quote from: James Mac on June 12, 2011, 05:10:52 PM

On the subject, is the latest on Mata still that we'll talk after the U21 games?

Yeh i think so.He is meant to be interested in liverpool over everyone else despite no champions football.Liverpool and city showing most interest and balague said on his blog a week or two back that 20--25 mill euros would do it so its only a matter of talking to him and gettin it sorted after the euroes

gorgepir · « **Reply #61 on:** June 12, 2011, 06:20:16 PM »

I find it extremely difficult to believe that we are talking to Xabi before we have permission from Real. Isnt that exactly "tapping up" and illegal? So Xabi talking to KD probably has more to do with business unrelated to football. Or it might be that he is getting advice on players in La Liga? But it has nothing to do with getting Xabi back (which would be a dream)

SamiSamiHyypia · « **Reply #62 on:** June 12, 2011, 06:21:51 PM »

Am I the only person who's excited about Ayala having a chance to prove himself?

I'd have him back fighting for a CB place with Carra, Skrtel, Agger and whoever we get.

Soto won't be on massive wages and he's a good personality to have around so I see no harm in keeping him for another season too. Though if a decent offer comes in we should take it. If it was my decision I just couldn't bring myself to get rid of Dagger, he's just too much of a class act. I think Kenny might bite the bullet though and we'll just have to move on.

A realistic CB line up next year of Carra, Skrtel, ?Cahill?, Ayala and Kelly wouldn't be too bad at all.

A fit Agger alongside an in form Skrtel or a new commanding CB would be the dream.

redmark · « **Reply #63 on:** June 12, 2011, 06:28:55 PM »

Quote from: SamiSamiHyypia on June 12, 2011, 06:21:51 PM

Am I the only person who's excited about Ayala having a chance to prove himself?

I'd have him back fighting for a CB place with Carra, Skrtel, Agger and whoever we get.

Soto won't be on massive wages and he's a good personality to have around so I see no harm in keeping him for another season too. Though if a decent offer comes in we should take it. If it was my decision I just couldn't bring myself to get rid of Dagger, he's just too much of a class act. I think Kenny might bite the bullet though and we'll just have to move on.

A realistic CB line up next year of Carra, Skrtel, ?Cahill?, Ayala and Kelly wouldn't be too bad at all.

A fit Agger alongside an in form Skrtel or a new commanding CB would be the dream.

I'd happily have Ayala and Wilson as the 4th and 5th choice centrebacks - if (sad to say) the first choice two and their first cover weren't as injury prone as Agger; i.e. no Agger. I don't agree with some that a few nervous outings proves that Wilson isn't good enough and I've always liked Ayala when I've seen him. If we were bidding £16m-£20m on Jones, I think Dalglish clearly sees Kelly as a rightback rather than a centreback.

Niru Red4ever · « **Reply #64 on:** June 12, 2011, 06:30:56 PM »

In the morning we were busy being pointing out what a win-win situation the alleged 22mp bid for Jones was.
After I came back after a bit of sightseeing (Reichstag), I find there is yet another new topic with talk of Alonso - can somebody please fill in what happened in the meantime?

Have to say this transfer summer has been very interesting - no longer scrapping at the bottom, and actually going in for big targets

redmark · « **Reply #65 on:** June 12, 2011, 06:40:51 PM »

Quote from: Niru Red4ever on June 12, 2011, 06:30:56 PM

In the morning we were busy being pointing out what a win-win situation the alleged 22mp bid for Jones was.
After I came back after a bit of sightseeing (Reichstag), I find there is yet another new topic with talk of Alonso - can somebody please fill in what happened in the meantime?

Have to say this transfer summer has been very interesting - no longer scrapping at the bottom, and actually going in for big targets

Some bloke's girlfriend works at Formby golf club and says Alonso was at a private meeting/function, as was Kenny Dalglish. Apparently he arrived by helicopter. After a brief diversion, he wasn't attending someone's birthday party. Given the hysteria it generated, I would expect that half of RAWK is outside the golf club now trying to see them shaking hands, or something.

timmyonions · « **Reply #66 on:** June 12, 2011, 06:48:15 PM »

Quote from: Niru Red4ever on June 12, 2011, 06:30:56 PM

In the morning we were busy being pointing out what a win-win situation the alleged 22mp bid for Jones was.
After I came back after a bit of sightseeing (Reichstag), I find there is yet another new topic with talk of Alonso - can somebody please fill in what happened in the meantime?

Have to say this transfer summer has been very interesting - no longer scrapping at the bottom, and actually going in for big targets

Alonso was this afternoon,spotted in Formby golf club in the company of one Kenneth Dalglish.Read into it what you will.Most of RAWK nearly creamed their pants.

I honestly believe he`ll never come back.

shook · « **Reply #67 on:** June 12, 2011, 06:49:59 PM »

Anybody seen a lot of Mamadou Sakho?
I've only seen bits - the French describing him as the next Lilian Thuram.
Per one ITK we have made contact with PSG.
Please offer analysis if you have seen him, thanks.

greenstien · « **Reply #68 on:** June 12, 2011, 06:51:15 PM »

I'm not having all of this Xabi coming back talk. The first time I read this someone posted it as a link from Wikii which is as reliable as twitter IMO. That is not to say I wouldn't welcome him back with open arms and agree that he could be leaving Real Madrid because of the number of midfielders they have now, but if he does go, it will be to another Spannish club.

Lenin · « **Reply #69 on:** June 12, 2011, 06:55:24 PM »

Quote from: redmark on June 12, 2011, 06:40:51 PM

Some bloke's girlfriend works at Formby golf club and says Alonso was at a private meeting/function, as was Kenny Dalglish. Apparently he arrived by helicopter. After a brief diversion, he wasn't attending someone's birthday party. Given the hysteria it generated, I would expect that half of RAWK is outside the golf club now trying to see them shaking hands, or something.

.........and in further news, moderators of Red And White Kop, the popular internet forum for followers of Liverpool Football Club, today created history by issuing an edict stating that all posts in the LFC Transfer Chat IV thread would henceforth require a three line minimum.
Any posts that did not contain the required three lines would be deleted.
And now, the weather........

irishmike639 · « **Reply #70 on:** June 12, 2011, 06:55:57 PM »

Obviously the transfer policy is leaning towards, young, home-grown with Premier League experience. Given that is the criteria then for centre-backs the choices seem to be:

Chris Smalling - Utd - won't be for sale
Micah Richards - City - would be a great buy but can't see them selling
Nedum Onuoha - City - perhaps a more realistic target as City might be prepared to listen to offers even from us but would we want him?
Cairan Clark - Villa - perhaps one that has slipped under the radar and a talent that has Villa fans very excited but is he proven enough?
Stephen Taylor - N'castle - bad injury but seems to be back as strong as before and surely worth having a look at
Ryan Shawcross - Stoke - another definitely worth considering
Gary Cahill - Bolton - at 25 y/o the oldest on this list but probably the most proven as well
Phil Jones - B'burn/Utd - top of our original list but deal done already with Utd?
Richard Stearman - Wolves - don't know much about him
Scott Dann - B'ham - seems to be someone who interests us but are there better options?
Curtis Davies - B'ham - seems to get shifted on quickly wherever he plays so maybe not the best personality to have around plus he hasn't exactly set the world on fire
Alex Baptiste - B'pool - why not?
Chris Basham - B'pool - suffered an injury at the start of last season which has hindered his progress and don't know how good he is
Craig Cathcart - B'pool - don't know much about him other than he seems to have played quite a few games for B'pool last year
James Tomkins - W Ham - surely a decent prospect who should be on our radar along with Dann and Cahill?

I'm sure there are others that I've missed but, keeping within the criteria listed, who do people think would be our best buy?

rickythered · « **Reply #71 on:** June 12, 2011, 07:01:29 PM »

What a complete contrast this transfer season has been compared to the last already thanks to Kenny and JWH. Fantastic to see us finally able to go toe to toe with the big spenders and not be bullied away by the hefty transfer fee's being touted. Kenny's and Comolli's master-plan to pick up the best young English and European talent is in full effect. Kenny and Clarke will mold them into great players able to play great pass and move football, the type of football that made our club famous. Young players with fire in there belly and heaps of passion, all chomping at the bit trying to prove themselves. They will grow up and mature together as a team working for each-over and learning there trade under the legendary guidance of Dalglish. I can't wait for next season to begin. I can't remember feeling this optimistic and enthusiastic going into a new season for long time! Happy days!

Crimson_Tank · « **Reply #72 on:** June 12, 2011, 07:16:07 PM »

Quote from: DanA on June 12, 2011, 06:04:40 PM

I don't like your plan much.

1. Rather get a ball playing CB this year if we sell Agger
2. Don't think Wilson is good enough and think Wisdom has already gone past him
3. Think Carra will want to play as much as possible.
4. Not sold on Dann

1. Hoping that we do not sell Agger this summer, I would understand the FSG mindset to sell an injury prone player, however Fabio and Gerrard have both had injury heavy seasons as of late.
2. How do you not think that Wilson is good enough, the lad has had one league start in his preferred position of CB, Give him some play each week. I agree Wisdom has been solid but don't be so quick to write off Wilson.
3. I agree here compleatly but we have to be able to play without him and start phasing in his replacement. (same was done with Sami)
4. Dann remains questionable.

Lee-87 · « **Reply #73 on:** June 12, 2011, 07:21:02 PM »

Probably definitly grasping at straws but if there was anything at all in Xabi coming back to us, would you not think Real might be tempted in a swap deal involving AA.
i mean its looking unlikely that he has a future with us, and he'd surely still be able to provide near half Xabi's fee in a part exchange.

ahh all ifs and buts... BUT IF(see what i did there?) we were to go after Xabi, it would make a certain amount of sense to see if they'de be interested in AA instead of forking out the full 30+ mil

redmark · « **Reply #74 on:** June 12, 2011, 07:21:50 PM »

Quote from: Crimson_Tank on June 12, 2011, 07:16:07 PM

1. Hoping that we do not sell Agger this summer, I would understand the FSG mindset to sell an injury prone player, however Fabio and Gerrard have both had injury heavy seasons as of late.

Gerrard has had injury issues as a youngster, and injury issues in the last couple of years. In between, for the sort of player he is, he was pretty resilient. Aurelio is, and always has been, a crock. Sorry, a very talented crock. Should never have been given another contract last summer and wouldn't have been if the club wasn't being managed by idiots. Agger has played less than half the available games through his peak physical years. They're not generally contact injuries, but recurring back and knee problems - the sort of problems that are putting Ferdinand's career in question now. Agger is nearly 27; I don't see how we can reasonably expect his injury record to improve at this stage of his career, in the physical English league. I really don't take any pleasure in it, he's a fabulous footballing defender. But another season of 15-20 games? Nah.

Juan Loco · « **Reply #75 on:** June 12, 2011, 07:32:01 PM »

Wouldn't be averse to selling Agger abroad, although I'm resigned to him playing 50+ games a season when we do.

People have got so bogged down in Cole and Jovanovic when it comes to FSG's desire to see the wages better used elsewhere. They forget players like Agger and Aquilani will be on £60k+, possibly Aurelio too. I'm sure they'll want to get rid of Jovanovic and Cole ASAP, but I wouldn't be surprised if Aquilani, Agger and Aurelio are just behind that. Suspect Maxi would've been 'n' all had it not been for his goalscoring at the end of the season. They're on a fair wedge for what isn't a lot of games.

Agger's my favourite defender, but if we could get decent money I wouldn't blame them at all for getting rid.

Didi_ram · « **Reply #76 on:** June 12, 2011, 07:37:28 PM »

Quote from: El Festino on June 12, 2011, 05:23:32 PM

A certain respected individual is reporting movement on three transfer targets today. One is believed to be an improved offer for Cahill. Considering we went to 21m/22m to for Jones (assuming we were willing to buy him at that price as opposed to upping the price for the mancs) what is it going to take to get Cahill. Anyone know what BW are looking for? Interest from Citee could turn this into ridiculous money.

Cahill would be good,considering that we have been interested for some time.A tad overrated but is very good.
If Manchester City get involved,it will push the price up.
Im surprised we arent looking at Vertonghen.

USC19Babel · « **Reply #77 on:** June 12, 2011, 07:37:43 PM »

Quote from: Juan Loco on June 12, 2011, 07:32:01 PM

Wouldn't be averse to selling Agger abroad, although I'm resigned to him playing 50+ games a season when we do.

People have got so bogged down in Cole and Jovanovic when it comes to FSG's desire to see the wages better used elsewhere. They forget players like Agger and Aquilani will be on £60k+, possibly Aurelio too. I'm sure they'll want to get rid of Jovanovic and Cole ASAP, but I wouldn't be surprised if Aquilani, Agger and Aurelio are just behind that. Suspect Maxi would've been 'n' all had it not been for his goalscoring at the end of the season. They're on a fair wedge for what isn't a lot of games.

Agger's my favourite defender, but if we could get decent money I wouldn't blame them at all for getting rid.

Think you might be right about Agger going, especially if his wages are not compliant with a player who doesn't play very often. On that point though, does anyone know what kind of wages Carra is on? Not that he should or would be moved on, but I never hear his wages talked about and I can only assume that they're very high, which leads me to assume that he'll either be playing a major role again next season (which I don't think he should be, unless we SOMEHOW don't sign any quality CBs, regardless of a potential Agger departure) or be a massively overpaid (relative to his usage in the squad) player.

Maybe the wrong theatre for this discussion, but my point is basically this: can we afford to keep on senior players who are unwilling to take pay cuts in the face of reduced playing roles? Even if their name is Carragher? (I'd include Gerrard in a list like this, but a player of his stature is almost invaluable for his shirt-selling potential alone)

redmark · « **Reply #78 on:** June 12, 2011, 07:40:26 PM »

Quote from: MKelly34 on June 12, 2011, 07:33:23 PM

Why do you want to get rid of him? In my opinion he deserves another change, since he's been such a loyal and great player to us.
Anyone that says we are not charity can fuck off. Agger have not been the only injury prone player but yet we only talk of selling him.

Over 5 years, the 5 years when a footballer is as physically strong and healthy as he's ever going to be, Agger has managed to play in just under half of our league games. In 5 years. That's not an unlucky spell. Other injury prone players? Quite happy to sell them too, if anyone wants them - Aurelio, Aquilani, Cole. Don't suggest Gerrard, because in his 12 full seasons at the club he has once - once - played less league games (last season) than Agger has managed in his best season (06/07).

I'll repeat: I love Agger as a defender. If I were designing a defender, it would be Agger. With someone else's physical fitness/endurance/pain threshold. But attempting to build a solid, reliable, consistent central defensive partnership with Agger in it is a lost cause.

irishmike639 · « **Reply #79 on:** June 12, 2011, 07:47:49 PM »

I thought Aurelio was on a pay as you play deal, hence his re-signing last summer. If that's not the case and he is commanding a salary regardless of his playing time then someone should be shot. We are already looking for a CB as demonstrated with the Jones transfer so, if we sell Agger, does that mean that we will be looking for 2 or do you think the 1 is to replace Agger who the hierarchy have already deemed not value for money?