Author Topic: Gael Clichy (Read 176611 times)

The G in Gerrard · « **Reply #800 on:** June 10, 2011, 02:11:54 PM »

Quote from: LanceLink on June 10, 2011, 01:58:16 PM

10 caps for France, what's all the fuss about?

My response was to someone who said Clichy had never played for France.

iamrobk · « **Reply #801 on:** June 10, 2011, 02:11:54 PM »

to be honest, I don't think he's poor defensively, he just looks bad because the other defenders he's played with the last few years are so bad. I think if you stuck him in a good defense with a good keeper (like ours) he'd look a lot better.

Mr Dilkington · « **Reply #802 on:** June 10, 2011, 02:12:13 PM »

Quote from: hugoboss on June 10, 2011, 02:09:04 PM

Riera, Arbeloa, Reina all players who received call ups while playing in the EPL and I mean the less glamorous ones

Yeah but they were playing for Liverpool, competing for the Premiership, playing in the latter stages of the CL.

Enrique playing for a Newcastle side just back in the Premiership really isn't comparable.

Capdevila won't be around for much longer anyway, so it'll be him, Monreal, or Jose Angel for that spot.

Cid · « **Reply #803 on:** June 10, 2011, 02:12:42 PM »

Quote from: RideTheWalrus on June 10, 2011, 01:44:06 PM

To be fair, Spain are much, much better than France currently.

not at left back imo.

istvan kosma · « **Reply #804 on:** June 10, 2011, 02:14:15 PM »

Quote from: iamrobk on June 10, 2011, 02:11:54 PM

to be honest, I don't think he's poor defensively, he just looks bad because the other defenders he's played with the last few years are so bad. I think if you stuck him in a good defense with a good keeper (like ours) he'd look a lot better.

agreed he has been left more exposed than Imogen friggin thomas...

Anywhichwayucan · « **Reply #805 on:** June 10, 2011, 02:14:45 PM »

Quote from: The G in Gerrard on June 10, 2011, 01:55:55 PM

He has though hasn't he, nearly a dozen times.

Enrique, not Clichy

Trumps · « **Reply #806 on:** June 10, 2011, 02:15:01 PM »

Quote from: istvan kosma on June 10, 2011, 02:11:08 PM

Well I'd hazard a guess that DC knows if theirs interest from the player.. hence a bid...

Yup. I said as much as well. I'd say we got encouraging noises from the Clichy camp about bidding for his services.

He has a 80k a week offer on the table from Arsenal. So we either have to match that or better it. It will be easier for continental clubs to better that, with their lower tax rates.

AriGold · « **Reply #807 on:** June 10, 2011, 02:15:09 PM »

Quote from: RideTheWalrus on June 10, 2011, 01:44:06 PM

To be fair, Spain are much, much better than France currently.

How is Clichy supposed to get a look in ahead of Abidal or Evra? 2 of the top 5 best left backs on the planet.

hugoboss · « **Reply #808 on:** June 10, 2011, 02:17:31 PM »

I think while Clichy is not the best defender, he certainly is no worse than Johnson was when he first came here. People need to realize that Arsenal's defensive set-up has been the problem. Also a team like Arsenal who like to play very high up the pitch will always be vulnerable at the back no matter who you have in defense

LanceLink · « **Reply #809 on:** June 10, 2011, 02:19:39 PM »

Quote from: L6 Red on June 10, 2011, 02:07:39 PM

Jimmy Case was never capped for England.

What's your point?

I wasn't suggesting he was a great player because he was capped by France, just reiterating that he had international caps under his belt when many posters were saying that he was not capped.

Alonso_The_Assassin · « **Reply #810 on:** June 10, 2011, 02:19:59 PM »

Quote from: hugoboss on June 10, 2011, 02:17:31 PM

I think while Clichy is not the best defender, he certainly is no worse than Johnson was when he first came here. People need to realize that Arsenal's defensive set-up has been the problem. Also a team like Arsenal who like to play very high up the pitch will always be vulnerable at the back no matter who you have in defense

I'd agree with that.

Regi · « **Reply #811 on:** June 10, 2011, 02:21:53 PM »

Why do people always bring up previous transfers as some sort of proof that their logic is right?
Every transfer has its own context and its own set of circumstances.

Using examples of previous players we've bought with PL experience and who have flopped does not mean the next one will flop.
Likewise, using Suarez as some sort of example that foreign players are better is nonsense
These comparisons have absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the next transfer.

Assess a transfer on its merits or don't do it at all.
The rest is bullshit

azyless · « **Reply #812 on:** June 10, 2011, 02:22:59 PM »

Quote from: AriGold on June 10, 2011, 02:15:09 PM

How is Clichy supposed to get a look in ahead of Abidal or Evra? 2 of the top 5 best left backs on the planet.

Well to be honest Evra and most of all Abidal really dont play that well with the french team (abidal is shite actually).

AriGold · « **Reply #813 on:** June 10, 2011, 02:24:19 PM »

My preferance for left back would be:

Baines - Would be over the moon if we somehow got him, but doubt that would happen.
Coentrao - Again, would be made up to see him in a different red strip.
Clichy - Very good player, could develop a lot here with Kenny and Clarke, would be very happy to see him here.
Enrique - Good solid left back and plenty of time to improve, would be happy with him.

It's a good shortlist, I'm sure there's many many more left backs on our shortlist but these would be my top 4.

AshTJ · « **Reply #814 on:** June 10, 2011, 02:24:51 PM »

I've got quite a few gooner mates and they all seem to think he's been a liability for them at times. Which I think we all kind of knew anyway. Not too sure about this one but hopefully with Clarke's guidance we can make him into something special. I'd of thought that Clarke would've had a say on whether he's got what it takes anyway.

Paul JH · « **Reply #815 on:** June 10, 2011, 02:25:42 PM »

Saying Clichy is shit because he doesn't have many caps is like saying Baines is shit because he can't get ahead of Cole, or Alves is shit because Maicon gets more games.
i.e. fucking bollocks.

cornelius · « **Reply #816 on:** June 10, 2011, 02:29:44 PM »

Quote from: Paul JH on June 10, 2011, 02:07:42 PM

Will we be linked with anyone that everyone is happy with? Or is it always going to be so black and white (he's great / he's shite)?

Yes Aguero...

scatman · « **Reply #817 on:** June 10, 2011, 02:33:40 PM »

well i'll say it again

Funny how many suddenly rate Clichy when we are linked with him, when most were deriding him as Arsenal's weak link for many a year

Also weird how all of a sudden Arsenal's defence is shit and that is not Clichy's fault. Did anyone actually bother to look at the Goals Conceded column for the last few seasons?

Of course another argument is - Our defence was shit because of Insua last year....when I would argue it was Carragher's failings that contributed to an ailing defence last season.

Obviously though having an opinion au contraire is blasphemy and heresy.

I'll leave at that, I think he's crap, lots of you think he's world class all of sudden. Blah.

The G in Gerrard · « **Reply #818 on:** June 10, 2011, 02:37:36 PM »

Quote from: rapcage on June 10, 2011, 02:33:40 PM

well i'll say it again

Funny how many suddenly rate Clichy when we are linked with him, when most were deriding him as Arsenal's weak link for many a year

Also weird how all of a sudden Arsenal's defence is shit and that is not Clichy's fault. Did anyone actually bother to look at the Goals Conceded column for the last few seasons?

Of course another argument is - Our defence was shit because of Insua last year....when I would argue it was Carragher's failings that contributed to an ailing defence last season.

Obviously though having an opinion au contraire is blasphemy and heresy.

I'll leave at that, I think he's crap, lots of you think he's world class all of sudden. Blah.

How many of us would ever have though he could be a realistic target? Who has actually said he's world class? Is he better than Enrique, in my opinion he is. There's people who could say the same in Downing thread for example, why not say that there? Is it because YOU think Clichy isn't very good with arguments based on nothing but your opinion?

Please don't take your opinion and try to make it as fact mate

Tomo! · « **Reply #819 on:** June 10, 2011, 02:38:31 PM »

Quote from: rapcage on June 10, 2011, 02:33:40 PM

well i'll say it again

Funny how many suddenly rate Clichy when we are linked with him, when most were deriding him as Arsenal's weak link for many a year

Also weird how all of a sudden Arsenal's defence is shit and that is not Clichy's fault. Did anyone actually bother to look at the Goals Conceded column for the last few seasons?

Of course another argument is - Our defence was shit because of Insua last year....when I would argue it was Carragher's failings that contributed to an ailing defence last season.

Obviously though having an opinion au contraire is blasphemy and heresy.

I'll leave at that, I think he's crap, lots of you think he's world class all of sudden. Blah.

He's not world class, he's not shite either and he is better than what we have.

Walshy® · « **Reply #820 on:** June 10, 2011, 02:40:03 PM »

Should we sign a left back - what does this mean for Martin Kelly's development? Johnson surley would be put back at Right Back, leaving him without many starts.

Kenny doesn't really rotate defenders, and neither should he.

hugoboss · « **Reply #821 on:** June 10, 2011, 02:40:12 PM »

Quote from: cornelius on June 10, 2011, 02:29:44 PM

Yes Aguero...

Don't want Aguero

Regi · « **Reply #822 on:** June 10, 2011, 02:40:25 PM »

Quote from: rapcage on June 10, 2011, 02:33:40 PM

Mate plenty of people have similar reservations.
I wouldn't say he's crap...that's obviously nonsense...but I do think he was one of Arsenal's weaker players.
That being said, he is potentially going very cheap and would obviously be working with one of the best defensive coaches in the game.
It's not like the situation is without hope, as long as Clichy is willing to go back to basics and have his defensive game restructured by Steve Clarke

hugoboss · « **Reply #823 on:** June 10, 2011, 02:42:34 PM »

Quote from: rapcage on June 10, 2011, 02:33:40 PM

well i'll say it again

Funny how many suddenly rate Clichy when we are linked with him, when most were deriding him as Arsenal's weak link for many a year

Also weird how all of a sudden Arsenal's defence is shit and that is not Clichy's fault. Did anyone actually bother to look at the Goals Conceded column for the last few seasons?

Of course another argument is - Our defence was shit because of Insua last year....when I would argue it was Carragher's failings that contributed to an ailing defence last season.

Obviously though having an opinion au contraire is blasphemy and heresy.

I'll leave at that, I think he's crap, lots of you think he's world class all of sudden. Blah.

I can think of other Arsenal defenders I'd consider weak links before calling Clichy one, and the fact he has been a constant fixture in Arsenal's back 4 for the past 5-6 years proves he is definitely a good player

Chivasino · « **Reply #824 on:** June 10, 2011, 02:43:16 PM »

Quote from: rapcage on June 10, 2011, 02:33:40 PM

well i'll say it again

Funny how many suddenly rate Clichy when we are linked with him, when most were deriding him as Arsenal's weak link for many a year

Also weird how all of a sudden Arsenal's defence is shit and that is not Clichy's fault. Did anyone actually bother to look at the Goals Conceded column for the last few seasons?

Of course another argument is - Our defence was shit because of Insua last year....when I would argue it was Carragher's failings that contributed to an ailing defence last season.

Obviously though having an opinion au contraire is blasphemy and heresy.

I'll leave at that, I think he's crap, lots of you think he's world class all of sudden. Blah.

I don't think anyone has said he's world class mate. Some have said he's shite.

Most are saying he is an experienced LB from a team that finished above us that could benefit hugely from being a part of a stronger organised defence, with proper protection from midfield, under a coach who might just get the best out of him.

Difficult to argue that his game wouldn't improve under those conditions.

LiverpoolKopKings · « **Reply #825 on:** June 10, 2011, 02:43:25 PM »

Quote from: Walshy® on June 10, 2011, 02:40:03 PM

Should we sign a left back - what does this mean for Martin Kelly's development? Johnson surley would be put back at Right Back, leaving him without many starts.

Kenny doesn't really rotate defenders, and neither should he.

1. From what we saw Kelly will give Johnson a run for the money anytime.
2. Kelly is a cb in reality, or am I mistaken. He'll be shifting inside to replace carra by time, like carra did in his time.

AriGold · « **Reply #826 on:** June 10, 2011, 02:52:16 PM »

Quote from: Walshy® on June 10, 2011, 02:40:03 PM

Should we sign a left back - what does this mean for Martin Kelly's development? Johnson surley would be put back at Right Back, leaving him without many starts.

Kenny doesn't really rotate defenders, and neither should he.

Should we not sign a CB (looking likely we will though) I could see him given a few chances in the middle. All the attributes to be a top centre half.

scatman · « **Reply #827 on:** June 10, 2011, 02:54:36 PM »

Quote from: Chivasino on June 10, 2011, 02:43:16 PM

I don't think anyone has said he's world class mate. Some have said he's shite.

Most are saying he is an experienced LB from a team that finished above us that could benefit hugely from being a part of a stronger organised defence, with proper protection from midfield, under a coach who might just get the best out of him.

Difficult to argue that his game wouldn't improve under those conditions.

I agree his game will improve here, I'm just not a fan at all of him though.

One moment that always sticks in my mind is when he just left the ball, i cant remember who it was against but it was unbelievable, he goes to sleep 2/3 times in every match. Just type in Clichy mistake in Google, and the number of match reports of different games over the years with the word's 'Clichy's mistake' is phenomenal.

Ok £5m is not an awful lot to pay for him, considering he's 25 and will have resale value.

Tomo! · « **Reply #828 on:** June 10, 2011, 03:02:41 PM »

Quote from: rapcage on June 10, 2011, 02:54:36 PM

I agree his game will improve here, I'm just not a fan at all of him though.

One moment that always sticks in my mind is when he just left the ball, i cant remember who it was against but it was unbelievable, he goes to sleep 2/3 times in every match. Just type in Clichy mistake in Google, and the number of match reports of different games over the years with the word's 'Clichy's mistake' is phenomenal.

Ok £5m is not an awful lot to pay for him, considering he's 25 and will have resale value.

I'm sure carra will wake him up with his soft as silk voice.

scatman · « **Reply #829 on:** June 10, 2011, 03:03:49 PM »

Fair enough, don't know why Clichy winds me up so much, must be the bloody gooners games I've been watching with the Wenger fanclub in my house..bastards

I'm not troubled by any of the rumoured players like Downing or Adam, just bloody Clichy

Oh and if we do sign him, I'll judge his signing and his performancesfor us in May 2012.

lfcderek · « **Reply #830 on:** June 10, 2011, 03:05:18 PM »

Quote from: cornelius on June 10, 2011, 02:29:44 PM

Yes Aguero...

Overrated.

trezax · « **Reply #831 on:** June 10, 2011, 03:05:32 PM »

Quote from: Mr Dilkington on June 10, 2011, 02:01:15 PM

Spain coaches traditionally pick players from La Liga, rather than the Premiership, so i think it's unfair to hold that against Enrique.

Clichy likewise, he's grown up in an era with Abidal and Evra playing at their peak for the two best club sides in the World.

Shoulda went to Euro 2008 mind.

When WE got xabi & Luis Garcia they played for their NT. Arbeloa became a full international playing for us. Even Riera was called When playing for us. So tour argument is irrelevant really.

Red Beret · « **Reply #832 on:** June 10, 2011, 03:06:31 PM »

Clichy is just fine for us so people should just relax on the issue. Doesn't mean we definitely wont sign Enrique either.

What constantly amazes me is now that we actually have the cash to buy some players some here feel they can afford to turn their noses up at so many. Unless I'm mistaken Arsenal have finished above us the past two seasons? Maybe Clichy wont ultimately be one of those players to take us right to the summit but he could prove a valuable stepping stone getting us there.

lfcderek · « **Reply #833 on:** June 10, 2011, 03:08:04 PM »

I do think Clarke and (dare one say it?) Carra could turn Clichy's defensive performances around - big time. Talent seems to be there.

JoshTodda · « **Reply #834 on:** June 10, 2011, 03:16:20 PM »

All Arsenal fans have seen to have done for the last 5 years is bitch about him. Why can't we just buy a decent LB??

Sinstar · « **Reply #835 on:** June 10, 2011, 03:16:39 PM »

Clichy is talented, that's for sure, and if he's better than what we have at the moment and wouldn't cost a lot - why not?

It's not as if the market for LB's is huge. Four players - Coentrao, Baines, Clichy, Enrique - seem realistically available if we would be willing to pay what their clubs want. Who else would be good enough for LFC and is actually available? I've seen people talk about Cissoko in various places, but there's no way Lyon will sell him for anything less than Coentrao will go for, especially considering Cissoko has never expressed a desire to leave.

Clichy, while not a world-beater, would improve our back line. For 5-8 million, go for it.

BeautifulGame91 · « **Reply #836 on:** June 10, 2011, 03:16:50 PM »

Anyone who has Ashravin playing infront of will look defensively poor .

Rhi · « **Reply #837 on:** June 10, 2011, 03:19:11 PM »

Quote from: rapcage on June 10, 2011, 02:54:36 PM

Just type in Clichy mistake in Google, and the number of match reports of different games over the years with the word's 'Clichy's mistake' is phenomenal.

Googlefight to the rescue!

Clichy Mistake - 12,300 results
Carragher Mistake - 12,500 results
Evra Mistake - 24,800
Baines Mistake - 35,900 results
Enrique Mistake - 115,000 results

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Clichy+Mistake&word2=Enrique+Mistake

I love Googlefight. It's the answer to all life's problems.

It is also conclusive proof that we should sign Clichy and none of those other useless fuckers.

scatman · « **Reply #838 on:** June 10, 2011, 03:22:17 PM »

Quote from: BeautifulGame91 on June 10, 2011, 03:16:50 PM

Anyone who has Ashravin playing infront of will look defensively poor .

Funny how you use that excuse to defend an Arsenal player, yet when it came to Insua that same excuse was not applicable.

My logic and rants and arguments thus far may have been bollocks, but those on the other side of the fence don't seem to have put much proof of this guy being good up.

Quote from: JoshTodda on June 10, 2011, 03:16:20 PM

All Arsenal fans have seen to have done for the last 5 years is bitch about him. Why can't we just buy a decent LB??

Exactly

scatman · « **Reply #839 on:** June 10, 2011, 03:22:51 PM »

Quote from: Rhi on June 10, 2011, 03:19:11 PM

Googlefight to the rescue!

Clichy Mistake - 12,300 results
Carragher Mistake - 12,500 results
Evra Mistake - 24,800
Baines Mistake - 35,900 results
Enrique Mistake - 115,000 results

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Clichy+Mistake&word2=Enrique+Mistake

I love Googlefight. It's the answer to all life's problems.

It is also conclusive proof that we should sign Clichy and none of those other useless fuckers.

Does googlefight only look at match reports?