Author Topic: Jonjo Shelvey - What's next? (Read 188524 times)

morty · « **Reply #2080 on:** March 21, 2012, 11:25:20 PM »

I like jonjo but tweeting about your fustrations is not the way to go. To be fair though he should be starting from now to the end of the season, i can see him giving more than others have thus far.

dast18 · « **Reply #2081 on:** March 21, 2012, 11:27:58 PM »

Quote from: Torpedo Tommy on March 21, 2012, 11:23:45 PM

No we don't need that sort of shite attitude at all.

I'd hope he is fuming and I hoped he'd get his chance but if it is him tweeting that then he needs to keep this sort of shit held in until he's in the club.

If it is genuine then it's pretty fucking unprofessional

You don't think we need players with self belief mate? Agree that twitter is not the best way to get his frustration out, but it is probably not his first choice either. Reckon he has let Kenny and the staff know that he wants to play already. I'd rather see a player with self belief than a player with no self belief. Downing being the example of the season, no?

AisoD · « **Reply #2082 on:** March 21, 2012, 11:28:40 PM »

Quote from: dast18 on March 21, 2012, 11:27:58 PM

You don't think we need players with self belief mate? Agree that twitter is not the best way to get his frustration out, but it is probably not his first choice either. Reckon he has let Kenny and the staff know that he wants to play already. I'd rather see a player with self belief than a player with no self belief. Downing being the example of the season, no?

Adam has plenty of that. Doesn't make him good.

dast18 · « **Reply #2083 on:** March 21, 2012, 11:33:34 PM »

Quote from: AisoD on March 21, 2012, 11:28:40 PM

Adam has plenty of that. Doesn't make him good.

True, but he said "we don't need that sort of shite attitude at all." As if is was a bad thing non stop. Shelvey, as far as I'm concerned, has showed quality as well as self belief. Gerrard has plenty of self belief, and look how he turned out. Shelvey is still a young talented lad.

NorthamptonKopite · « **Reply #2084 on:** March 21, 2012, 11:38:54 PM »

Absolute joke. Play the f**king kid. Gotta start against Wigan surely.

tamadic · « **Reply #2085 on:** March 21, 2012, 11:43:15 PM »

If you need to choose Shelvey or Adam...
It is a very obvious choice cuz we need CHANGE.

I don't know the reason of picking Adam, perphas he has more experience is for sure; a better training performance?
I don't see why not we rotate Henderson and Shelvey with Gerrard and Spearing supporting either one of them

buzzing · « **Reply #2086 on:** March 21, 2012, 11:44:01 PM »

Quote from: AisoD on March 21, 2012, 11:28:40 PM

Adam has plenty of that. Doesn't make him good.

Adam isn't going to get much better than he is. not liverpool class but Shelvey is young and full of potential. A yuong lad with confidence is maybe what we need for that enthusiasm to rub of on others around him

isildurrr · « **Reply #2087 on:** March 22, 2012, 12:32:00 AM »

confidence is low.what's the point of chucking a young player into such an atmosphere?

adam on current level is way better than jonjo.the best 11 need to start to get some sort of run going.if this guy is that good he'll get his chance.

nemeth,pacheco and all the players who people whined were not getting chances aren't doing much now.

there's still time for him.cuenca is just getting games at the age of 20 in a side far better than ours

gazzathered · « **Reply #2088 on:** March 22, 2012, 12:35:08 AM »

Gutted for him spending the last couple of months warming up and then not getting a chance. Play him kenny instead of henderson

dast18 · « **Reply #2089 on:** March 22, 2012, 12:35:21 AM »

Quote from: isildurrr on March 22, 2012, 12:32:00 AM

adam on current level is way better than jonjo.

Based on what? Care to elaborate?

Melbred · « **Reply #2090 on:** March 22, 2012, 12:36:48 AM »

He won't be with us for long, especially if he's come out with those comments.

I'm gutted for him, because he definitely deserves a chance ahead of the likes of Adam and even Henderson.

1021 · « **Reply #2091 on:** March 22, 2012, 12:39:07 AM »

He is a very talented prospect and he should be getting some minutes.

He should also act like an adult, a professional, get off twitter, and get his head down.

JustDan · « **Reply #2092 on:** March 22, 2012, 12:42:12 AM »

Quote from: isildurrr on March 22, 2012, 12:32:00 AM

there's still time for him.cuenca is just getting games at the age of 20 in a side far better than ours

I'd say the reverse makes more sense. If the side were doing much better and playing really well, getting the results and all, I reckon even Shelvey's biggest sympathisers would understand.
The fact that he is not getting even a sniff despite others under-performing isn't really fair and quite odd to be honest.
If he isn't given a chance now, when will he be?

Bob Loblaw · « **Reply #2093 on:** March 22, 2012, 12:42:59 AM »

I'm not really arsed as i don't rate him that highly to be honest. I just find it strange though because Kenny seemed so keen to give him all the minutes he could last season, played him anywhere and everywhere on the pitch, yet he can't buy one at the moment. I'd also imagine that the idea was to give him some minutes when we called him back?

Now I'm not one for mindless speculation but something has clearly gone on, probably a massive irrecoverable falling out of some kind.

Juan Loco · « **Reply #2094 on:** March 22, 2012, 12:46:05 AM »

Quote from: Bob Loblaw on March 22, 2012, 12:42:59 AM

I'm not really arsed as i don't rate him that highly to be honest. I just find it strange though because Kenny seemed so keen to give him all the minutes he could last season, yet he can't buy one at the moment. I'd also imagine that the idea was to give him some minutes when we called him back? Now I'm not one for mindless speculation but something has clearly gone on, probably a massive irrecoverable falling out of some kind.

Bigbear on the youth thread said quite a while back that he'd fallen out with the coaching staff after the Sporting game in the NextGen (when he played shite but was ill). He's had the start against Villa since then, but yeah, he's not seemed like a favourite, which he seemed to be when Kenny tookover.

If memory serves people were suggesting that Kenny's comments when Shelvey was at Blackpool weren't great either, but personally I think people are prone to trying to deduce tone from text far too often.

KirkVanHouten · « **Reply #2095 on:** March 22, 2012, 12:48:58 AM »

He's only young ease up a bit. Remember seeing games like Bolton, Sunderland and then tonight think about being sat on the bench for these games and seeing players fuck up simple chances. He probably feels like he could have contributed something worthwhile, that would be incredibly frustrating for anyone. Also the one game he did start in the league Villa away he played very well and played a part in both of our goals.

kkjellquist · « **Reply #2096 on:** March 22, 2012, 12:52:21 AM »

Quote from: Nugget-8 on March 21, 2012, 10:59:44 PM

How he hasn't got more of a chance is beyond me.. I know he's young but FFS Adam and Henderson haven't done anything close enough to be so far ahead of him in the pecking order

Fucking Henderson could not have been more invisible!! Had to say it...I can't take it....he was fucking hiding against QPR!!!

dast18 · « **Reply #2097 on:** March 22, 2012, 12:57:02 AM »

For those who are not on twitter:

Quote

J.Shelvey.. ‏ @Jshelvey33 Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
People saying I'm moaning , all I'm saying is pick myself up and go again .. That's not moaning that's my opinion of what I've gotta do..

J.Shelvey.. ‏ @Jshelvey33 Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
For the people that think I'm moaning ill delete that tweet for you .. And for the other fans , thank you so much for your support #YNWA

J.Shelvey.. ‏ @Jshelvey33 Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
People getting wrong end of the stick on here big time! I've not once said I dnt believe in club! I just said what I blieve I have to do!!!

Think he is just saying that he feels like he believes he needs to keep working hard.

Z e u s · « **Reply #2098 on:** March 22, 2012, 12:58:52 AM »

Footballers should be banned from using twitter when they are still playing - it just creates issues.

Bob Loblaw · « **Reply #2099 on:** March 22, 2012, 01:03:37 AM »

Whoops, he's been caught with his cock in his hand there.

Seriously though, i can actually believe that he was being genuine, but you have to have a bit of self awareness and realise how people would interpret that.

What steps do clubs take in educating these lads on how to go about the media sides of things?

Juan Loco · « **Reply #2100 on:** March 22, 2012, 01:06:11 AM »

Find it hard not to warm to him. He is a bit cocky, but it's personality, and it's something that's missing from some of our players.

1021 · « **Reply #2101 on:** March 22, 2012, 01:06:14 AM »

Quote from: Bob Loblaw on March 22, 2012, 01:03:37 AM

What steps do clubs take in educating these lads on how to go about the media sides of things?

Say; 'here mate, delete that account, and that one too, do your job, get your head down and if LFCtv want to speak to you they'll give you a call, otherwise, keep quiet'.

dast18 · « **Reply #2102 on:** March 22, 2012, 01:09:00 AM »

Quote from: Z e u s on March 22, 2012, 12:58:52 AM

Footballers should be banned from using twitter when they are still playing - it just creates issues.

I tend to agree. But than again it gives them a platform to talk to people if they have been misquoted in interviews etc. It's not for everyone though as you are guaranteed to get a lot of criticism on there. Look at Gibson deleting his account within an hour because of abuse from his own club's "fans".

Quote from: Bob Loblaw on March 22, 2012, 01:03:37 AM

Whoops, he's been caught with his cock in his hand there.

gregorio · « **Reply #2103 on:** March 22, 2012, 01:44:06 AM »

I suppose I'd rather have someone who was desperate to play than the clowns who are happy to keep picking up the wages and sat on their backsides

Dentron · « **Reply #2104 on:** March 22, 2012, 02:05:21 AM »

Absolute travesty that he hasn't been in the starting 11. I don't know how Charlie Adam even gets a game for us, especially with such a talented, dynamic youngster on the bench. Shelvey is being completely mishandled. Just like Coates, who I doubt would have gotten in the game had it not been for Kelly's injury. Coates and Shelvey NEED to be starting every league game from now until the end of the season. I'd even go 3 or 5 in the back when Agger gets back, just to fit Coates in more games.

I think Kenny's handling of the youth has been disgusting. They're just wasting away, with players that don't factor in to the club's future playing in front of them.

eirwen · « **Reply #2105 on:** March 22, 2012, 02:09:59 AM »

Why did we call him back anyway? I'd be equally frustrated at the whole situation if I were him.

Scaryscouse · « **Reply #2106 on:** March 22, 2012, 02:11:26 AM »

I don't see anything wrong with his tweet and I feel for him. He should be featuring more.

thejbs · « **Reply #2107 on:** March 22, 2012, 02:20:35 AM »

Quote from: Bob Loblaw on March 22, 2012, 01:03:37 AM

What steps do clubs take in educating these lads on how to go about the media sides of things?

I don't think our club is in the best position to be dishing out pr advice to anyone at present...

rafathegaffa83 · « **Reply #2108 on:** March 22, 2012, 02:37:09 AM »

Quote from: eirwen on March 22, 2012, 02:09:59 AM

Why did we call him back anyway? I'd be equally frustrated at the whole situation if I were him.

Lucas' injury, coupled with Gerrard being out at the time.

Suareznumber7 · « **Reply #2109 on:** March 22, 2012, 03:03:26 AM »

Fucking hell. Henderson was shite again today yet Jonjo sits on his fucking hands. What is Kenny doing with this kid? Fucking play him or send him on loan.

harleydanger · « **Reply #2110 on:** March 22, 2012, 03:06:17 AM »

Quote from: Scaryscouse on March 22, 2012, 02:11:26 AM

I don't see anything wrong with his tweet and I feel for him. He should be featuring more.

stevieG786 · « **Reply #2111 on:** March 22, 2012, 03:42:10 AM »

Jonjo > Henderson >>>>>> Adam

Imo.

ziggyy · « **Reply #2112 on:** March 22, 2012, 03:58:52 AM »

Should not have recalled him if there's no intention to play him....

At least he was getting some games in Blackpool and that would have helped in his development...

xavidub · « **Reply #2113 on:** March 22, 2012, 04:08:39 AM »

Not impressed at how he is being managed/used at all. Players appear to be picked on reputation rather than form and he is losing out.

Fauxy · « **Reply #2114 on:** March 22, 2012, 04:09:00 AM »

Feel so sorry for this lad having to sit on the bench watching Charlie Adam run around without a clue.

He's got his entire career ahead of him, incredible potential and the managment treat him like this? Deserves better.

I bet he got a lot of stick from people for the tweet from today. He shouldnt have tweeted it, but what he said was the truth.

ziggyy · « **Reply #2115 on:** March 22, 2012, 04:15:01 AM »

Quote from: xavidub on March 22, 2012, 04:08:39 AM

Not impressed at how he is being managed/used at all. Players appear to be picked on reputation rather than form and he is losing out.

More like picked based on their price tags...

Fauxy · « **Reply #2116 on:** March 22, 2012, 04:29:08 AM »

Quote from: xavidub on March 22, 2012, 04:08:39 AM

Not impressed at how he is being managed/used at all. Players appear to be picked on reputation rather than form and he is losing out.

Very true.

It looks bad on the manager if Adam is dropped because he was the one who spent the money on him. Same thing happened with Carroll, he wasnt playing well, had to be dropped, manager gets slated for buying the guy in the first place.

I feel as though its reached the point where Kenny has to just accept that for the most part of this season, Adam has a been completely out of his depth and has been a poor signing. Henderson can get away with being dropped because hes ' one for the future '

Stick Shelvey out there and he will be keen to impress and will work his arse off. The only thing at risk really is Kenny's judgement and thats what is holding him back from dropping Adam.

Gerrvindh · « **Reply #2117 on:** March 22, 2012, 04:48:01 AM »

Quote from: AisoD on March 21, 2012, 11:11:57 PM

A thick player with some natural talent and a massively inflated opinion of himself.

Bye bye.

Alrightyyyyyyyyyyy

KingsRevolution · « **Reply #2118 on:** March 22, 2012, 04:58:17 AM »

Quote from: isildurrr on March 22, 2012, 12:32:00 AM

adam on current level is way better than jonjo

Is he though? like, is he really? hand on heart, with Liverpool's record when Adam starts, is his current level better that Shelvey's?
We carry Adam and that is a fact.

farawayred · « **Reply #2119 on:** March 22, 2012, 05:20:13 AM »

What's Adam's record 9 and 1? What does Kenny see in him that makes him
persist with him instead of trying out Shelvey, Henderson, even Coady FFS. I can't come up with any reasoning why Adam shod start, let alone persistently.