Author Topic: Jonjo Shelvey - What's next? (Read 188533 times)

Groundskeeper Willie · « **Reply #2120 on:** March 22, 2012, 06:04:01 AM »

Quote from: AisoD on March 21, 2012, 11:28:40 PM

Adam has plenty of that. Doesn't make him good.

Reading that piece by Tangerine Dreaming or whatever his name was, I´d say Adam is not a very confident player. Dwells on mistakes and let them affect his game.

It's Jimmy Corkhill · « **Reply #2121 on:** March 22, 2012, 06:26:48 AM »

I would have considered playing him Saturday, but definitely not now.

Needs to shut his fucking face and get on with it in training, not moaning and having subtle digs on Twitter like he is one of the innumerate bellends that populate this site. He's a kid for fuck sake, wind it in.

liverpoolfan1 · « **Reply #2122 on:** March 22, 2012, 06:41:03 AM »

Feel sorry for him. Would have better to let him stay at Blackpool.

I have no doubt he would do a better job than Adam if given the chance. Hopefully we will find out against Wigan but I have a bad feeling he will be on the bench again.

Houlliers goal face · « **Reply #2123 on:** March 22, 2012, 06:46:06 AM »

Quote from: It's Jimmy Corkhill on March 22, 2012, 06:26:48 AM

I would have considered playing him Saturday, but definitely not now.

Needs to shut his fucking face and get on with it in training, not moaning and having subtle digs on Twitter like he is one of the innumerate bellends that populate this site. He's a kid for fuck sake, wind it in.

Exactly! Had a decent spell at a championship club and thinks that gives him the right to undermine his team mates on twitter.

Needs to stop acting like something out of n-dubz. There's a big difference between confidence and being an arrogant prick.

liverpoolfan1 · « **Reply #2124 on:** March 22, 2012, 06:48:20 AM »

Quote from: Houlliers goal face on March 22, 2012, 06:46:06 AM

Exactly! Had a decent spell at a championship club and thinks that gives him the right to undermine his team mates on twitter.

Needs to stop acting like something out of n-dubz. There's a big difference between confidence and being an arrogant prick.

How was he undermining his team mates? I checked his twitter account. Didn't seem to be anything bad but maybe he deleted a tweet?

kelly34 · « **Reply #2125 on:** March 22, 2012, 07:30:52 AM »

He just said he needs to pick himself up and go again. Surely not getting picked week after week that's a fair tweet? He can't have the best morale right now but all he's saying is he'll get himself ready and go again.

liverpoolfan1 · « **Reply #2126 on:** March 22, 2012, 07:35:05 AM »

Yeah see nothing wrong with that if that was all he said.

Melbred · « **Reply #2127 on:** March 22, 2012, 07:35:42 AM »

It was a pretty brainless tweet in that he should have known that followers and the media would jump on his back about it.

I feel he was being genuine though. It's pretty much a message to himself to try and not be disheartened and pick himself again and go again. It's not an entirely bad attitude to have considering our results and the players being given a chance ahead of him.

DutchRed · « **Reply #2128 on:** March 22, 2012, 07:38:22 AM »

It's better than an ambitionless player who gladly goes to sit on the bench and I'd be frustrated had I been him too. Did great things at Blackpool, then gets recalled to sit on the bench or not even there. The only way he can imrpve is on the pitch, be it at Blackpool, at Liverpool or at Barcelona.

And CouldHe Play! · « **Reply #2129 on:** March 22, 2012, 08:10:45 AM »

Love Jonjo and I think he has bag loads to offer to the club, but doesn't seem the type to stick around if it doesn't go his way maybe?

Malaysian Kopite · « **Reply #2130 on:** March 22, 2012, 08:11:48 AM »

I think he's ego is one of his assets. Just look a how fearless he is out on the pitch. Would definitely start him against Wigan, let him take some of the anger and disappointment to them. Don't blame him at all for the tweet.

scatman · « **Reply #2131 on:** March 22, 2012, 08:55:37 AM »

Quote from: Houlliers goal face on March 22, 2012, 06:46:06 AM

Exactly! Had a decent spell at a championship club and thinks that gives him the right to undermine his team mates on twitter.

Needs to stop acting like something out of n-dubz. There's a big difference between confidence and being an arrogant prick.

Are you talking about Charlie Adam?

anfieldanfield · « **Reply #2132 on:** March 22, 2012, 08:58:30 AM »

Quote from: Juan Loco on March 22, 2012, 01:06:11 AM

Find it hard not to warm to him. He is a bit cocky, but it's personality, and it's something that's missing from some of our players.

Adam_LFC · « **Reply #2133 on:** March 22, 2012, 09:04:54 AM »

Well I have to say I would be just as frustrated as him, I hope to see him playing against Wigan but I don't expect it. Even half an hour at the end ...

When was the last time we made 3 subs in a league match that weren't because of injuries?

Craigeth · « **Reply #2134 on:** March 22, 2012, 09:07:47 AM »

Quote from: Houlliers goal face on March 22, 2012, 06:46:06 AM

Exactly! Had a decent spell at a championship club and thinks that gives him the right to undermine his team mates on twitter.

Needs to stop acting like something out of n-dubz. There's a big difference between confidence and being an arrogant prick.

Are you messing? The lads frustrated and tweets that he must pick himself up and try harder how is that undermining his team mates?

I don't blame the lad for being frustrated if I was on the bench and Adam was starting I would be more than pissed off.

Deserves to play the majority of the games in the league, he's got quality vision and game intelligence which we severely lack.

redk84 · « **Reply #2135 on:** March 22, 2012, 09:55:43 AM »

In reference to his tweet last night....

fuckin immature and unprofessional.

I can understand his frustration....and i can understand being annoyed at his situation...and his young age can excuse that sort of behaviour.

but i hope someone will be having a word with him.

Blade · « **Reply #2136 on:** March 22, 2012, 10:07:41 AM »

Lets not forget that, even though he is about to turn 20 this week, Shelvey has been playing on senior level since the age of 16. He is definitely not getting enough chances, especially considering the injuries that we've had in central midfield this season, and the poor form of some of the players that Kenny has been playing in that area.

lionel_messias · « **Reply #2137 on:** March 22, 2012, 10:23:47 AM »

Hope he can get a game soon, as some players who are given starts are not earning their place in the team, that should always be the way.

He probably shouldn't tweet about it though, and knuckle down to training, that is a PR thing and many will disagree I'm sure.

Brentie · « **Reply #2138 on:** March 22, 2012, 10:29:42 AM »

Should lose his self belief.

Matt8Pie · « **Reply #2139 on:** March 22, 2012, 10:30:29 AM »

Quote from: Brentie on March 22, 2012, 10:29:42 AM

Should lose his self belief.

No he shouldn't.

We need the lad playing and if he hasn't got self belief, he'll be anonymous like Henderson for the most part.

Blade · « **Reply #2140 on:** March 22, 2012, 10:34:18 AM »

Quote from: Brentie on March 22, 2012, 10:29:42 AM

Should lose his self belief.

I hope this is sarcasm. When I remember Gerrard at the same age, his self belief and his arrogance were one of his greatest assets, and probably what has made him such a great player.

Zlenpasha · « **Reply #2141 on:** March 22, 2012, 10:37:23 AM »

Quote from: redk84 on March 22, 2012, 09:55:43 AM

In reference to his tweet last night....

fuckin immature and unprofessional.

I can understand his frustration....and i can understand being annoyed at his situation...and his young age can excuse that sort of behaviour.

but i hope someone will be having a word with him.

Oh get off your high horse please.
He is rightly frustrated because players taking playing time from him are one step forward - two steps back and all over again this entire season. I hope someone will give him proper playing time before he becomes another victim of LFC's Youth developing strategy 'All talk - no action'.

Someone actually dying to get a chance and play, unafraid and ready - why would we need that.

smurfinaus · « **Reply #2142 on:** March 22, 2012, 10:43:31 AM »

I feel sorry him. He obviously has talent and the will to win.Heck he played for the first team at his last club, i can fully understand why he is fustrated - Kenny keeps playing players who are not performing and he isnt ringing the changes. So much for competition for places.

Brentie · « **Reply #2143 on:** March 22, 2012, 10:46:36 AM »

Quote from: Matt8Pie on March 22, 2012, 10:30:29 AM

No he shouldn't.

We need the lad playing and if he hasn't got self belief, he'll be anonymous like Henderson for the most part.

Which was my point.

One player is young, keeps passing it backwards, doesn't have any self belief, hides for 75% of the game and runs around alot= plays a huge majority of games

Another player is young, tries different things, has huge amounts of belief, attempts to be creative= is frozen out.

Go figure.

scatman · « **Reply #2144 on:** March 22, 2012, 11:15:48 AM »

It's not that he's not playing for us which is the problem.

The problem is he is not playing at all, either on loan, at reserve level, or first team level. It's like we have told him you are not allowed to play football anymore.

Go on loan to Middlesborough? No mate you can't
Play in Nextgen competition with reserves/U19s? No mate you can't
Play instead of Charlie Adam who's gone downhill? No mate you can't

Discipline · « **Reply #2145 on:** March 22, 2012, 11:17:01 AM »

Overdramatic peeps in here.

downtown · « **Reply #2146 on:** March 22, 2012, 11:28:36 AM »

Quote from: Discipline on March 22, 2012, 11:17:01 AM

Overdramatic peeps in here.

How so?

The lad started 2 games for us since his return from Blackpool and got 1 goal and 2 assists in those games, and been frozen out sine January 6th/7th while Adam has been stinking out the place and Hendo has been anonymous for the most part.

Not to mention Jonjo could have had a hattrick at Villa Park had Luis and Adam passed him for a tap in.

Well, he attacks the box, same as Maxi, same as Meireles...none of them are fancied...hmm

Jason_King · « **Reply #2147 on:** March 22, 2012, 11:29:55 AM »

Quote from: Cpt_Reina on March 15, 2012, 07:06:05 PM

House!

Ha :-)

red_lfc_costello · « **Reply #2148 on:** March 22, 2012, 11:35:35 AM »

he must be pulling his hair out at lack of chances.

On a serious note, i think we have another Pacheo on our hands. We all think hes class, most games are crying out for him, but he never gets the chance. I hope to god we start to use him, otherwise he will rot and be 'another failure' that we bought.

Would live to see him start against Wigan, come on Kenny, put him in.

isildurrr · « **Reply #2149 on:** March 22, 2012, 11:40:01 AM »

why exactly is he rated so highly here?

if you look at his position as central mid then by his own inflated opinion of himself he tries retarted things.i remember against united when he chipped the ball from near the half against united.we need players like lucas,henderson,raul etc in the middle.people who keep the ball ,effortlessly moving it when required.can he do that?

the arrogance is something you want the players trying to unlock the defense to have.eg-suarez.try the impossible no problem.but such players need a little bit of dribbling skills and a good turn of pace.shelvey has neither.

red_lfc_costello · « **Reply #2150 on:** March 22, 2012, 11:48:54 AM »

Quote from: isildurrr on March 22, 2012, 11:40:01 AM

if you look at his position as central mid then by his own inflated opinion of himself he tries retarted things.i remember against united when he chipped the ball from near the half against united.

isnt that the one Kenny praised him for? we were behind, creating fuck all, he saw the keeper off his line and gave it a go. If he had pulled it off i guarantee you would be pulling him off over it.

Matt8Pie · « **Reply #2151 on:** March 22, 2012, 11:53:49 AM »

Quote from: Brentie on March 22, 2012, 10:46:36 AM

Which was my point.

One player is young, keeps passing it backwards, doesn't have any self belief, hides for 75% of the game and runs around alot= plays a huge majority of games

Another player is young, tries different things, has huge amounts of belief, attempts to be creative= is frozen out.

Go figure.

Haha sorry mate, missed your sarcasm!

Lucho_LFC8 · « **Reply #2152 on:** March 22, 2012, 02:32:45 PM »

If he got the same amount of game time as charlie adam has surely he would have improved? he couldnt do much worse than charlie and even if he did its experience for him and he would learn from it, he can keep the ball well and has good range of passing and a bit of confidence about him which is good for a young player no? obv he would be frustrated and not playing football which is his job? but saying things like that over twitter maybe be a bit daft but hes learned from it and wont be doing it again in the near future.

jimmyjr86 · « **Reply #2153 on:** March 22, 2012, 02:37:17 PM »

Are we forgetting Dirk Kuyts comments the other day, in a national newspaper no less., saying he may consider leaving if je didnt get game time. Then he started vs QPR.

Shelvey makes one comment out of frustration and people are having a go.

lionel_messias · « **Reply #2154 on:** March 22, 2012, 05:24:55 PM »

Quote from: jimmyjr86 on March 22, 2012, 02:37:17 PM

Are we forgetting Dirk Kuyts comments the other day, in a national newspaper no less., saying he may consider leaving if je didnt get game time. Then he started vs QPR.

Shelvey makes one comment out of frustration and people are having a go.

Yeah the guy is 19 though and Dirk is a full international with Holland, who has given us 5 years service. If you are 19 and training with the first team, don't go on twitter and moan, even if you feel aggrieved. I hope he plays more myself.

foreveragnome · « **Reply #2155 on:** March 22, 2012, 07:04:01 PM »

Should start every league game from here on in IMO. What have we got to lose? He doesn't do too well, so what he goes back into the reserves.

But maybe, just maybe, he ends up looking like a very, very good player, improves us and saves us from spending a shit load of money in the summer on a new centre mid.

Coady · « **Reply #2156 on:** March 22, 2012, 07:04:34 PM »

Quote from: Redsnappa on March 21, 2012, 11:23:47 PM

This is as frustrating as the freezing out of Pacheco.

And Pacheco is doing well in Spain. All 8 or so appearances.

scouse29 · « **Reply #2157 on:** March 22, 2012, 07:29:19 PM »

Another month ticks on and still no minutes on the pitch. 19 or not his age is not the issue. He is good enough to start games and it frustrates me that we took months to get him on loan, we recall him back and hardly use him. He needs to develope.

Then people have a dig when he makes a light remark on twitter.

Houlliers goal face · « **Reply #2158 on:** March 22, 2012, 08:15:32 PM »

Quote from: liverpoolfan1 on March 22, 2012, 06:48:20 AM

How was he undermining his team mates? I checked his twitter account. Didn't seem to be anything bad but maybe he deleted a tweet?

If you go on twitter to bitch about not playing - that doesn't show a lot of respect for those who've been selected to play ahead of him.

Nothing wrong with thinking it privately and taking it up with the manager in his office, but don't say to the world i should be playing i'm better than them. Respect the person with the shirt!

Houlliers goal face · « **Reply #2159 on:** March 22, 2012, 08:23:22 PM »

Quote from: Craigeth on March 22, 2012, 09:07:47 AM

Are you messing? The lads frustrated and tweets that he must pick himself up and try harder how is that undermining his team mates?

I don't blame the lad for being frustrated if I was on the bench and Adam was starting I would be more than pissed off.

Deserves to play the majority of the games in the league, he's got quality vision and game intelligence which we severely lack.

Nothing wrong with that, knock on the managers door and have a set-to. Don't act all hard done by on twitter.

Also, if he's that good and ready to add what we're "severly lacking" - why did only championship clubs show an interest in having him on loan. Hmmmmmm.....maybe our manager isn't the only one who doesn't think he's quite there yet.

I'm sure your right though!