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Re: The Royal Wedding
« Reply #1920 on: May 1, 2011, 09:51:30 AM »
I'm not sure you can blame the Bank Holiday for someone Cobaining themselves mate. If that's why he didn't work then surely he wouldn't have worked whether or not the pair of them got married?
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Re: The Royal Wedding
« Reply #1921 on: May 1, 2011, 09:57:58 AM »
He didnt work cos the two inbreds got married. As his boss had a family he had to take the day off as his wife liked all that shit. Not a one man job he was on ya see. So he lost a day cos those two got married.
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Re: The Royal Wedding
« Reply #1922 on: May 1, 2011, 10:09:29 AM »
Yea there was. His boss blew his head off with a shotgun so not much work.
As his boss had a family he had to take the day off as his wife liked all that shit.

Blowing your own head off is a bit far to go to avoid watching the wedding ;)
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Re: The Royal Wedding
« Reply #1923 on: May 1, 2011, 10:11:51 AM »
Blowing your own head off is a bit far to go to avoid watching the wedding ;)

Dunno mate, worked for him ;)
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Re: The Royal Wedding
« Reply #1924 on: May 1, 2011, 10:20:11 AM »
If you don't factor in Bank Holidays, sickness and Annual Leave then questions have to be asked to be honest. They happen each and every year. One more random day every 30 to 50 years shouldn't smash the economy and the companies around it.

Cheers Andy - no offence and excuse the colourful language but of course I factor in bank fucking holidays and annual fucking leave. Of course one day won't break the company but it'll cost me as a small business owner over a thousand pounds in salaries, overheads and National Insurance and probably double that in lost productivity. So not really a "free day off". (And by the way - pretty much everyone I know took the time off to fuck off out of the country and away from the wedding so what was the point?)

The other director of the company  is going on maternity leave in four weeks, I have a major exhibition on site and a tender for a £12 m building due out on Tuesday. Last week was an almost complete waste of time because half the people I need to deal with are off on an eleven day break and I've been working longer hours and over the weekend to make up for people's time off.

We deal with Easter and the May Day holiday every year but adding in the Friday was utterly ridiculous and anyone who runs a business could see the different dynamic that creates in people's attitudes to their holiday allowance.

There was no reason why the wedding couldn't have been on a Saturday (like Charles and Camilla). Or it could have been on a normal working day so that anyone who wanted to could show their loyalty and commitment to the Royals could do it by taking the day off as one of their annual days leave.

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Re: The Royal Wedding
« Reply #1925 on: May 1, 2011, 10:36:10 AM »

I have a major exhibition on site and a tender for a £12 m building due out on Tuesday. Last week was an almost complete waste of time because half the people I need to deal with are off on an eleven day break
I can imagine it has been a nightmare. I don't fault people for not understanding it but I can see that it probably couldn't have been scheduled for a worse time. Local government has almost slowed to a halt due to, as you say, this 11 day break for some.

I'm unaffected and its been a good to be off but businesses haven't taken it well. I know someone that was told they aren't getting a day off and they can book leave if they stay off.

Will it be a lesson learnt or will the government just not give a fuck.

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Re: The Royal Wedding
« Reply #1926 on: May 1, 2011, 10:38:50 AM »
Cheers Andy - no offence and excuse the colourful language but of course I factor in bank fucking holidays and annual fucking leave. Of course one day won't break the company but it'll cost me as a small business owner over a thousand pounds in salaries, overheads and National Insurance and probably double that in lost productivity. So not really a "free day off". (And by the way - pretty much everyone I know took the time off to fuck off out of the country and away from the wedding so what was the point?)

The other director of the company  is going on maternity leave in four weeks, I have a major exhibition on site and a tender for a £12 m building due out on Tuesday. Last week was an almost complete waste of time because half the people I need to deal with are off on an eleven day break and I've been working longer hours and over the weekend to make up for people's time off.

We deal with Easter and the May Day holiday every year but adding in the Friday was utterly ridiculous and anyone who runs a business could see the different dynamic that creates in people's attitudes to their holiday allowance.

There was no reason why the wedding couldn't have been on a Saturday (like Charles and Camilla). Or it could have been on a normal working day so that anyone who wanted to could show their loyalty and commitment to the Royals could do it by taking the day off as one of their annual days leave.



Could have been - but it wasn't. Thems the breaks when you run your own company.

I can see why you might be personally miffed. But I'm sure that doesn't mean you begrudge anyone else the time off - even your own employees?
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Re: The Royal Wedding
« Reply #1927 on: May 1, 2011, 11:20:05 AM »
Nobody on their deathbed would look back at life and wished that they spent more time at the office.
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Re: The Royal Wedding
« Reply #1928 on: May 1, 2011, 12:34:16 PM »
Yea there was. His boss blew his head off with a shotgun so not much work.

But, there was no need for a national holiday just because two ppl got married. Why couldnt they get married on the sunday? And what did it bring to the ordinary person in the street? Apart from a day off, what benefits did we gain?

Why should you get any benefits from the wedding beyond a day off?

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Re: The Royal Wedding
« Reply #1929 on: May 1, 2011, 02:06:30 PM »
Could have been - but it wasn't. Thems the breaks when you run your own company.

I can see why you might be personally miffed. But I'm sure that doesn't mean you begrudge anyone else the time off - even your own employees?

What do you mean - even my employees? Snidey little dig and completely unnecessary.
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Re: The Royal Wedding
« Reply #1930 on: May 1, 2011, 02:23:34 PM »
Nobody on their deathbed would look back at life and wished that they spent more time at the office.

depends if their wives are annoying :P
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Re: The Royal Wedding
« Reply #1931 on: May 1, 2011, 02:27:01 PM »
Why should you get any benefits from the wedding beyond a day off?

Because we pay for the Royal Family, no? Usually I want something in return for my money.
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Re: The Royal Wedding
« Reply #1932 on: May 1, 2011, 04:24:26 PM »
If Manchester United got me a free Bank Holiday I wouldn't moan about it. And my annoyance is you telling people what they can and cannot watch. I can't stand Manchester United and I don't watch them most of the time. I certainly never watch them in finals, but I wouldn't dream of telling other people they couldn't watch them.
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Re: The Royal Wedding
« Reply #1933 on: May 1, 2011, 05:16:54 PM »
This is one extra bank holiday and there was nothing really stopping him working over it if he'd wanted to.
Not quite how it works. Obviously many self-employed require their clients to be working to be able to a) physically work and b) bill their client for that work. I could do neither because there was nobody at the client's premises. Therefore thanks to Wills & Kate, in effect I had to flush a full days pay down the bog, which wasn't enjoyable especially when it could've been avoided by having it on a saturday.

Anyhow, I'm past caring. Just one of those things. But wanted to point out that saying 'there's nothing stopping you working' would be, in most cases, completely wrong. Also, other bank holidays are factored in every year automatically (as Harvest pointed out), so mentioning Christmas day etc. is also irrelevant.

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Re: The Royal Wedding
« Reply #1934 on: May 1, 2011, 06:26:19 PM »
To the people who support these layabouts, how about your taxes pay for their life of Reilly?

The people who don't support them, their income taxes can be cut. Or go toward something really worthwhile.
The supporters of the Royals can pay a little bit more if they like. I'm sure the newly wedded couple fancy a trip somewhere else soon.

And I love the bollox about her being a 'commoner'.
Patronizing to say the least.
Like he met her at a boozer on the Old Kent Road.

And the muppets who camped out to see the wedding should be birched.
I was in Thailand during this wedding crap and it was shown live in the malls there.
As the Thais are brainwashed idiots with their own royal family screwing the country blind with corruption, it was always going to generate interest.
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Re: The Royal Wedding
« Reply #1935 on: May 1, 2011, 06:27:46 PM »
Well I don't give a shit about foreign aid, so why don't we just say that I pay your bit of the Royal bill and you pay my bit of subsidising the Indian space programme?
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Re: The Royal Wedding
« Reply #1936 on: May 1, 2011, 06:33:37 PM »
moaning about extra bank holiday in UK? Not so long ago TUC was asking for more as UK was below the EU average.  It might hurt the (minority ~15% of working population) self employed but you do in general enjoy more pay than the average non self-employed (if you don't, you are unfortunately a minority), so if there is another birthday/wedding/cake eating holiday that the Royals or whoever wants to have, please do so!
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Re: The Royal Wedding
« Reply #1938 on: May 1, 2011, 07:26:30 PM »
Well I don't give a shit about foreign aid, so why don't we just say that I pay your bit of the Royal bill and you pay my bit of subsidising the Indian space programme?

Stick me down for that swap deal too.

Like he met her at a boozer on the Old Kent Road.

Was a boozer in Edinburgh, so you were half right.
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Re: The Royal Wedding
« Reply #1939 on: May 1, 2011, 08:35:04 PM »
Don't see everyone's problem with the street parties really. Most people would agree that the UK would be a better place if we all got to know our neighbours and acted like a proper society again and this is a chance to do that.

As for the Royals not working, William's an Air Sea Rescue pilot, Harry's done a tour of Afghan and is a Troop Leader in the Household Cavalry, Charles commanded a minesweeper and flew an RAF helicopter (ASR like William I think), Andrew flew in the Falklands and has been a UK trade ambassador and Edward runs his media company.

Yeah none of them have ever done eight hours down a pit but how many on here can actually claim to have ever done a hard day's real graft in their lives?

What he said.

I'm sure Harry and William would love to be able to fight on the front lines with their fellow soldiers. They certainly have expressed that. But they have been forbidden to do it. What can they do about that? Put yourself in their shoes. Life is more that just privilege and celebrity. I'm sure they want to do something "real." And Harry has certainly tried. I think if it wasn't for the Drudge Report he'd still be in Afghanistan.

What the family does for charity and driving attention to important causes is crucial as well. They aren't just wastes of space. They've dedicated their lives to this sort of thing. I understand that they are unique that they CAN do that, but how many people with that kind of privilege can you name that have dedicated their lives to serving others?

Honestly, why are people so cynical about the royal family? Every country has powerful symbols of national unity and history. In America we have the Declaration of Independence and The Constitution. In France it's the Revolution and the Rights of Man declaration. These documents are important but lifeless.

But in Britain you have a living breathing symbol of your nation and the eyes of the world are on you for it! You should be proud of it and proud of your history. To me, slagging off the royals is akin to slagging off the Constitution here. It just seems wrong and unpatriotic.

Think of all the things you'd have to change if the monarchy weren't there? Think of all those ships you'd have to rename, all those societies and monuments. It would probably cost more to change all the things in Britain that have "royal" on them than what it costs for the monarchy itself. (Hyperbole alert)

All those monuments and palaces would just seem hollow and cold without the monarchy. At least in France they have the revolution to point to. In Russia and Germany they have revolutions and the First World War. It would just be sad to get rid of them just by saying "meh" and starting over.

And remember, all those soldiers and sailors swear allegiance to the monarchy when they sign up.  And they always have. It's like you'd be harming their legacy as well.

I know here in America that if we got rid of our constitution and everything we stand for and have fought for, it would seem like we'd be robbing the legacy of everyone who's come before.

Sorry for my rant. It's fine for any of you to be republicans and I understand that side of it. But try to look at in a different light. It would just be replaced with shallow things like Hollywood or the Sarcozys or the Kennedys.

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Re: The Royal Wedding
« Reply #1940 on: May 1, 2011, 08:37:05 PM »
Cheers Andy - no offence and excuse the colourful language but of course I factor in bank fucking holidays and annual fucking leave. Of course one day won't break the company but it'll cost me as a small business owner over a thousand pounds in salaries, overheads and National Insurance and probably double that in lost productivity. So not really a "free day off". (And by the way - pretty much everyone I know took the time off to fuck off out of the country and away from the wedding so what was the point?)

The other director of the company  is going on maternity leave in four weeks, I have a major exhibition on site and a tender for a £12 m building due out on Tuesday. Last week was an almost complete waste of time because half the people I need to deal with are off on an eleven day break and I've been working longer hours and over the weekend to make up for people's time off.

We deal with Easter and the May Day holiday every year but adding in the Friday was utterly ridiculous and anyone who runs a business could see the different dynamic that creates in people's attitudes to their holiday allowance.

There was no reason why the wedding couldn't have been on a Saturday (like Charles and Camilla). Or it could have been on a normal working day so that anyone who wanted to could show their loyalty and commitment to the Royals could do it by taking the day off as one of their annual days leave.



Agree Alan, a complete waste of fucking time this month.  not only was it the worst ever March because of the cuts and none of the local councils, NHs, Education have a fucking clue what's going to happen and couldn't/darent spend cash we then get hit by an 11day holiday that 40% of my customers took - not necessarily the council/NHs but the persons i deal with.  Therefore 2 months of shit figures on an already shit 2 years.  If i didn't have family i'd probably jack it in, go bankrupt (as i've personal debt because companies have popped on me to the tune of £50K and i've tried to keep employees in work) and fuck of to Nepal living as a nomad or somesuch.

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Re: The Royal Wedding
« Reply #1941 on: May 1, 2011, 08:42:24 PM »




And I love the bollox about her being a 'commoner'.
Patronizing to say the least.
Like he met her at a boozer on the Old Kent Road.


You have to draw some distinction between what THEY, meaning the family, are saying and what the psycho media are saying. I don't think they really care what her background is, only that she loves William and he loves her. It's the insane media trying to make it seems like she's a commoner. She comes from incredible privilege herself. You know that and that's your point. But it isn't theirs.
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Re: The Royal Wedding
« Reply #1942 on: May 1, 2011, 08:46:44 PM »

What the family does for charity and driving attention to important causes is crucial as well. They aren't just wastes of space. They've dedicated their lives to this sort of thing. I understand that they are unique that they CAN do that, but how many people with that kind of privilege can you name that have dedicated their lives to serving others?


Sorry, but for a minute there I almost that you'd said The Royal Family have dedicated their lives to serving others and doing charity work. Oh, hang on....

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« Reply #1943 on: May 1, 2011, 08:51:57 PM »


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« Reply #1944 on: May 1, 2011, 08:52:40 PM »
To me, slagging off the royals is akin to slagging off the Constitution here. It just seems wrong and unpatriotic.

Good, cos patriotism is wrong imo, can't think of anything more ghastly than having pride in where you were born and/or brought up like as if you had a conscious choice in the matter.

And the constitution is an entirely different kettle of fish, it's what your country was founded upon and it lays out your rights, of course you should keep it. I don't support any institution or concept that considers one set of people as superior to another.
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Re: The Royal Wedding
« Reply #1945 on: May 1, 2011, 08:54:08 PM »
Agree Alan, a complete waste of fucking time this month.  not only was it the worst ever March because of the cuts and none of the local councils, NHs, Education have a fucking clue what's going to happen and couldn't/darent spend cash we then get hit by an 11day holiday that 40% of my customers took - not necessarily the council/NHs but the persons i deal with.  Therefore 2 months of shit figures on an already shit 2 years.  If i didn't have family i'd probably jack it in, go bankrupt (as i've personal debt because companies have popped on me to the tune of £50K and i've tried to keep employees in work) and fuck of to Nepal living as a nomad or somesuch.

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« Reply #1946 on: May 1, 2011, 08:54:32 PM »
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« Reply #1947 on: May 1, 2011, 09:16:50 PM »
Good, cos patriotism is wrong imo, can't think of anything more ghastly than having pride in where you were born and/or brought up like as if you had a conscious choice in the matter.

And the constitution is an entirely different kettle of fish, it's what your country was founded upon and it lays out your rights, of course you should keep it. I don't support any institution or concept that considers one set of people as superior to another.

Well you're in the extreme in that case. Most people are proud of who they are and where they come from. This is such an alien thing to americans and I can't really understand it.

I don't see the monarchy really being based around people being "superior" to other people. So much in life IS based around people being superior to others. The government IS superior to the individual. My boss is "superior" to me. All of humanity is based around different elements of superiority. It's part of what drives us and I do think the monarchy is a special symbol of that, especially in the way that it honors excellence. Aren't we all clamoring for Kenny to be given a Knighthood, for his superiority and excellence to be recognized? We don't have that same kind of system of honoring as you do, and you will lose that without a monarchy.

I don't think the royal family considers itself to be "superior" to others in ways that aren't comparable to that general state of humanity as a whole. They know that they will suffer the same fate as every other human being.
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Re: The Royal Wedding
« Reply #1948 on: May 1, 2011, 09:27:53 PM »
Just discovered this thread, so here goes:

Don't let the bread and circuses of the Royal Wedding distract you from the reality that Cameron's cuts are undisguised class warfare.  Real patriotism is to care for all the people of your country, but the extravagance of this years royal wedding insults those who have no homes & jobs. 

Power and privilege put themselves on parade to be gawped at by gullible masses while their unelected prime minister dismantles the welfare state & gives billions in tax breaks to cronies.

"We're all in this together" says Osborne, toasting the health of the couple while simultaneously demanding ever increasing NHS cuts. 

The £millions spent on this years royal wedding contrasts poorly with the increasing numbers who need subsistence meals from food banks.  When the ruling class shows its power & wealth so blatantly, how can it not insult those with nothing who are told to tighten their belts?

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Re: The Royal Wedding
« Reply #1949 on: May 1, 2011, 09:30:51 PM »
Good, cos patriotism is wrong imo, can't think of anything more ghastly than having pride in where you were born and/or brought up like as if you had a conscious choice in the matter.

And the constitution is an entirely different kettle of fish, it's what your country was founded upon and it lays out your rights, of course you should keep it. I don't support any institution or concept that considers one set of people as superior to another.

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Re: The Royal Wedding
« Reply #1950 on: May 1, 2011, 09:31:39 PM »
What he said.

I'm sure Harry and William would love to be able to fight on the front lines with their fellow soldiers. They certainly have expressed that. But they have been forbidden to do it. What can they do about that? Put yourself in their shoes. Life is more that just privilege and celebrity. I'm sure they want to do something "real." And Harry has certainly tried. I think if it wasn't for the Drudge Report he'd still be in Afghanistan.

What the family does for charity and driving attention to important causes is crucial as well. They aren't just wastes of space. They've dedicated their lives to this sort of thing. I understand that they are unique that they CAN do that, but how many people with that kind of privilege can you name that have dedicated their lives to serving others?

Honestly, why are people so cynical about the royal family? Every country has powerful symbols of national unity and history. In America we have the Declaration of Independence and The Constitution. In France it's the Revolution and the Rights of Man declaration. These documents are important but lifeless.

But in Britain you have a living breathing symbol of your nation and the eyes of the world are on you for it! You should be proud of it and proud of your history. To me, slagging off the royals is akin to slagging off the Constitution here. It just seems wrong and unpatriotic.

Think of all the things you'd have to change if the monarchy weren't there? Think of all those ships you'd have to rename, all those societies and monuments. It would probably cost more to change all the things in Britain that have "royal" on them than what it costs for the monarchy itself. (Hyperbole alert)

All those monuments and palaces would just seem hollow and cold without the monarchy. At least in France they have the revolution to point to. In Russia and Germany they have revolutions and the First World War. It would just be sad to get rid of them just by saying "meh" and starting over.

And remember, all those soldiers and sailors swear allegiance to the monarchy when they sign up.  And they always have. It's like you'd be harming their legacy as well.

I know here in America that if we got rid of our constitution and everything we stand for and have fought for, it would seem like we'd be robbing the legacy of everyone who's come before.

Sorry for my rant. It's fine for any of you to be republicans and I understand that side of it. But try to look at in a different light. It would just be replaced with shallow things like Hollywood or the Sarcozys or the Kennedys.

You'll never get rid of the cult of celebrity so embrace what you have as unique and powerful.

I don't even know where to begin with that. So I'll just reply to your last sentence - the cult of celebrity can go fuck itself. If the ultimate role of the Royal Family is as uber-celebs then they might as well pack their bags now as far as I'm concerned. A few years ago the principal argument for keeping the Royal Family was that The Queen's statecraft and her ability to act as a constant sounding board to the government of the day was an invaluable asset.

Her son has knocked that one into a cocked hat with his obsessions with New-Age healing and architecture. The idea that Charles could give any useful advice to anyone is laughable. And now there's William and Kate - Posh and Becks but without looks or the talent.

I saw a clip of them walking down the nave of Westminster Abbey after the ceremony and I was struck by how awkward William looked. And I thought - "hang on... that's his fucking job..." All he has to do is walk around and look like a Prince. Catwalk models, beauty queens, actors, even X-Factor finalists... all learn how to carry themselves and look the part. My belief is that once Brenda has popped her clogs, the Royal Family will diminish and go into the West (as Tolkein would say). Either they skip a generation (in which case the whole basis of the Royal succession is undermined) and bring William to the Throne while he still has a little hair, or William will be as bitter and twisted as his father is now and Kate will be in her fifties.
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Re: The Royal Wedding
« Reply #1951 on: May 1, 2011, 09:42:31 PM »
Cheers Andy - no offence and excuse the colourful language but of course I factor in bank fucking holidays and annual fucking leave. Of course one day won't break the company but it'll cost me as a small business owner over a thousand pounds in salaries, overheads and National Insurance and probably double that in lost productivity. So not really a "free day off". (And by the way - pretty much everyone I know took the time off to fuck off out of the country and away from the wedding so what was the point?)

The other director of the company  is going on maternity leave in four weeks, I have a major exhibition on site and a tender for a £12 m building due out on Tuesday. Last week was an almost complete waste of time because half the people I need to deal with are off on an eleven day break and I've been working longer hours and over the weekend to make up for people's time off.

We deal with Easter and the May Day holiday every year but adding in the Friday was utterly ridiculous and anyone who runs a business could see the different dynamic that creates in people's attitudes to their holiday allowance.

There was no reason why the wedding couldn't have been on a Saturday (like Charles and Camilla). Or it could have been on a normal working day so that anyone who wanted to could show their loyalty and commitment to the Royals could do it by taking the day off as one of their annual days leave.

Spot on. Made it really tough for small businesses. If Easter wasn't so late this year it might have been easier. As it happens, these last 2 weeks have been a fucking nightmare for us. Can't wait to get back to some sort of normal productivity.
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Re: The Royal Wedding
« Reply #1952 on: May 1, 2011, 09:45:43 PM »
To the people who support these layabouts, how about your taxes pay for their life of Reilly?

The people who don't support them, their income taxes can be cut. Or go toward something really worthwhile.
The supporters of the Royals can pay a little bit more if they like. I'm sure the newly wedded couple fancy a trip somewhere else soon.

What a great idea!

I hate the fact that my taxes go towards bombing other countries into submission and funding faith based schools so can I have my bit of money back on that please?

Like it or not but a lot of people actually prefer the idea of a symbolic monarchy in this country instead of some elected president.

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Re: The Royal Wedding
« Reply #1953 on: May 1, 2011, 09:46:47 PM »
I don't see the monarchy really being based around people being "superior" to other people. So much in life IS based around people being superior to others. The government IS superior to the individual. My boss is "superior" to me. All of humanity is based around different elements of superiority. It's part of what drives us and I do think the monarchy is a special symbol of that, especially in the way that it honors excellence. Aren't we all clamoring for Kenny to be given a Knighthood, for his superiority and excellence to be recognized? We don't have that same kind of system of honoring as you do, and you will lose that without a monarchy.

The Royal Family, the aristocracy, the class system system and the honours (by extension) are all based on the fundamental principle that some people are worth more than others through birth. It doesn't honour excellence. There's nothing excellent about Charles, Andrew, William, Harry, Edward, Eugenie etc... The Queen has been a good head of state but that's through accident not design and Anne happened to be a pretty good horsewoman...

America has had some shit Presidents but it has had some great ones too, same as France and many other democracies. Until William & Kate have kids we are one horrific plane crash away from having Prince Andrew as our next King.

Oh and most people on here aren't clamouring for Kenny to get a knight hood.

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I don't think the royal family considers itself to be "superior" to others in ways that aren't comparable to that general state of humanity as a whole. They know that they will suffer the same fate as every other human being.

You do know that the Royal Family traces their family tree back to the Garden of Eden and ultimately to God, and that they rule over us by divine right?

See that's where the Royal Family makes no sense to me. Either they are superior beings who are different and special... or they aren't in which case why are they in such a position of privilege.

You can't have it both ways.
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Re: The Royal Wedding
« Reply #1954 on: May 1, 2011, 09:47:09 PM »
What a great idea!

I hate the fact that my taxes go towards bombing other countries into submission and funding faith based schools so can I have my bit of money back on that please?

Like it or not but a lot of people actually prefer the idea of a symbolic monarchy in this country instead of some elected president.
Just because they like it doesn't mean I have to like it or that it's the best thing for the country.
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Re: The Royal Wedding
« Reply #1955 on: May 1, 2011, 09:52:36 PM »
Just because they like it doesn't mean I have to like it or that it's the best thing for the country.

Of course not.  You can dislike something or think it's bad for the country as much as you like, but people saying those who want a Royal Family should pay and those who don't shouldn't is ludicrous, because the same could be said for anything in that case.

On the bank holiday point I do actually agree with those saying it shouldn't have been a public holiday.  Govt should have kept it as a normal day.

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Re: The Royal Wedding
« Reply #1956 on: May 1, 2011, 09:53:59 PM »
this thread moves too fast, where will their residence be?
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Re: The Royal Wedding
« Reply #1957 on: May 1, 2011, 09:57:45 PM »
Day to day they'll live in Anglesy by his air base. There was talk on the news about them getting an apartment at Clarence House as their 'Royal residence'.


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Re: The Royal Wedding
« Reply #1958 on: May 1, 2011, 09:59:18 PM »
The Royal Family, the aristocracy, the class system system and the honours (by extension) are all based on the fundamental principle that some people are worth more than others through birth. It doesn't honour excellence. There's nothing excellent about Charles, Andrew, William, Harry, Edward, Eugenie etc... The Queen has been a good head of state but that's through accident not design and Anne happened to be a pretty good horsewoman...

America has had some shit Presidents but it has had some great ones too, same as France and many other democracies. Until William & Kate have kids we are one horrific plane crash away from having Prince Andrew as our next King.

Oh and most people on here aren't clamouring for Kenny to get a knight hood.

You do know that the Royal Family traces their family tree back to the Garden of Eden and ultimately to God, and that they rule over us by divine right?

See that's where the Royal Family makes no sense to me. Either they are superior beings who are different and special... or they aren't in which case why are they in such a position of privilege.

You can't have it both ways.

Alan have to disagree somewhat, Andrew, Charles, William & Harry have all been in the forces and at least 2 have served in a war zone. William and Harry are still serving their time, Will isnt even taking his honeymooon. Any other family would be applauded, and dont forget an uncle was blown up by the IRA. They have tons of benefits but they also understand duty.

With regard to the economy, I am in the same boat as you but see this as a credit in the bank as you cannot buy the free quality advertising UK PLC has had in the last week. Next year will be superb tourism wise and Liverpool will benefit hugely.
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Re: The Royal Wedding
« Reply #1959 on: May 1, 2011, 09:59:46 PM »
this thread moves too fast, where will their residence be?
Somewhere we've paid for mate
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