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Re: Mass Effect 3- New Info
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Re: Mass Effect 3- New Info
« Reply #321 on: March 26, 2012, 11:20:36 AM »
So... I finished Mass Effect 3 last night and here are my thoughts on the ending:

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Re: Mass Effect 3- New Info
« Reply #322 on: March 26, 2012, 11:45:14 AM »
So... I finished Mass Effect 3 last night and here are my thoughts on the ending:


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Re: Mass Effect 3- New Info
« Reply #324 on: March 26, 2012, 12:31:05 PM »
One more thing, if you have finished the game, I recommend going over this article about explanation for the endings and general analysis.

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Re: Mass Effect 3- New Info
« Reply #325 on: March 26, 2012, 08:37:40 PM »
One more thing, if you have finished the game, I recommend going over this article about explanation for the endings and general analysis.

http://livingwithanerd.com/dissecting-mass-effect-3s-ending/

To be honest, I don't like that at all. It sounds like a reasonable explanation, but sometimes I feel there is no need for that "something special". The whole game was a great experience and there are times when the "simple" solution or even a cheesy ending is enough. All three parts are full of twists and turns. Full of moments where everything turns out to be completely different than what you thought. So, why the need for this "complicated" ending? To me, what most people wanted was a proper ending. An ending that left them saying "Well, I enjoyed the game and everything is wrapped up now".

This is not what Bioware have done. What they have done is that they've gone and left over a lot of loose endings. No matter what way you're looking at it. No matter whether it is the "actualy" ending or the theories some people have developed. It is like telling someone to walk through the desert for 30 days and on the 31st day he'll get a big swimming-pool full of water to swim in, drink or simply splash about. Then, when the guy arrives on the 31st day you give him water. But not in a swimming pool, you simply put him in a vapour bath and turn up the steam.

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Re: Mass Effect 3- New Info
« Reply #326 on: March 27, 2012, 09:58:03 AM »
To be honest, I don't like that at all. It sounds like a reasonable explanation, but sometimes I feel there is no need for that "something special". The whole game was a great experience and there are times when the "simple" solution or even a cheesy ending is enough. All three parts are full of twists and turns. Full of moments where everything turns out to be completely different than what you thought. So, why the need for this "complicated" ending? To me, what most people wanted was a proper ending. An ending that left them saying "Well, I enjoyed the game and everything is wrapped up now".

This is not what Bioware have done. What they have done is that they've gone and left over a lot of loose endings. No matter what way you're looking at it. No matter whether it is the "actualy" ending or the theories some people have developed. It is like telling someone to walk through the desert for 30 days and on the 31st day he'll get a big swimming-pool full of water to swim in, drink or simply splash about. Then, when the guy arrives on the 31st day you give him water. But not in a swimming pool, you simply put him in a vapour bath and turn up the steam.


I guess I can see where you are coming from.

I deffo would of liked different endings to do with whom you romanced as well... ie: with Tali you would be on Rannoch, she would not be wearing her bio suit and you might have littl eQuarian/uman hybrids running around or could be with Liara with little Asari babies... or variations of the others, could even be sad ones like visiting someones grave or making a memorial for those lost, a presentation of something by the council to the whole Normandy crew for bringing the galaxy together.... etc etc... like you say "closure"

I don't think we will ever get that you know... the DLC could never cover that much.

I started a new run through with FemShep on ME2 so I can start ME3 a bit different next, I feel a bit weird romancing a guy so I am going to be a lesbian lol, shame though, I am a Tali kinda guy! Going with Liara for this one tho.
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Re: Mass Effect 3- New Info
« Reply #327 on: March 27, 2012, 10:31:02 PM »
I deffo would of liked different endings to do with whom you romanced as well... ie: with Tali you would be on Rannoch, she would not be wearing her bio suit and you might have littl eQuarian/uman hybrids running around or could be with Liara with little Asari babies... or variations of the others, could even be sad ones like visiting someones grave or making a memorial for those lost, a presentation of something by the council to the whole Normandy crew for bringing the galaxy together.... etc etc... like you say "closure"

I don't think we will ever get that you know... the DLC could never cover that much.

The thing is, I wouldn't even have needed that to think it is a nice ending. What I would have needed though is to know what happened in the end.


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Re: Mass Effect 3- New Info
« Reply #328 on: March 28, 2012, 12:46:03 PM »
A revised ending where
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Re: Mass Effect 3- New Info
« Reply #329 on: March 28, 2012, 01:52:57 PM »
A revised ending where

I wouldn't mind that but

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Re: Mass Effect 3- New Info
« Reply #330 on: March 28, 2012, 11:06:18 PM »
I read and watched the Indoctrination videos before finishing the game, and I was willing to give it the benefit of the doubt. Now that I have finished the game, I think the ending is just shit. The DLC should expand on the game, not give it closure, if that's what they are going for.
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Re: Mass Effect 3- New Info
« Reply #331 on: March 29, 2012, 03:18:18 PM »
What a shit ending. I didn't make sure I made the right decisions through 3 fucking games for that! I'm off to go and trade it at game...oh wait
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« Reply #332 on: March 30, 2012, 02:05:21 AM »
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Re: Mass Effect 3- New Info
« Reply #333 on: March 31, 2012, 01:27:14 AM »
Just finished. Has to be the best graphic and visual games i have ever played (PC)

I felt the actual gameplay was a bit repetitive. Go into a level, die, then run and cover throughout the game but i thought at least it was a step that the AI will try and flank you.

The only thing which many people have said already and left me pretty confused was the ending, Bioware not only built up Shepard's character throughout the series but built up other character's too.
Which left an emotional feeling only for you to be left staring at a screen at the end of it all wondering is there something left. It was like one of them games which gave a feeling that something was coming but never came.



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Re: Mass Effect 3- New Info
« Reply #334 on: March 31, 2012, 09:41:36 PM »
Just finished. Has to be the best graphic and visual games i have ever played (PC)

I felt the actual gameplay was a bit repetitive. Go into a level, die, then run and cover throughout the game but i thought at least it was a step that the AI will try and flank you.

The only thing which many people have said already and left me pretty confused was the ending, Bioware not only built up Shepard's character throughout the series but built up other character's too.
Which left an emotional feeling only for you to be left staring at a screen at the end of it all wondering is there something left. It was like one of them games which gave a feeling that something was coming but never came.

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Everything they built up over 5 years was destroyed in 10 minutes. A 9/10 game just went to a 2/10 in the matter of minutes. From the Harbinger moment onwards it was ridiculous. There's no point ever replaying the games because whatever you do makes little to no difference
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Re: Mass Effect 3- New Info
« Reply #335 on: April 1, 2012, 02:39:39 AM »
Everything they built up over 5 years was destroyed in 10 minutes.

Agreed, it's actually quite an achievement, bravo Bioware.


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Re: Mass Effect 3- New Info
« Reply #336 on: April 1, 2012, 05:24:52 AM »
Everything they built up over 5 years was destroyed in 10 minutes. A 9/10 game just went to a 2/10 in the matter of minutes. From the Harbinger moment onwards it was ridiculous. There's no point ever replaying the games because whatever you do makes little to no difference

I think (think) they've heard these issues. This is a football forum but I've seen nobody say it's good, I thought it was shit, and the people I talk to at work said it was shit.

It's all anocdotal......but.......how the fuck did they think this was a good idea!?

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Re: Mass Effect 3- New Info
« Reply #337 on: April 1, 2012, 06:20:08 PM »
the five DLC packs they'll sell on the promise of revealing more info
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Re: Mass Effect 3- New Info
« Reply #338 on: April 2, 2012, 11:34:30 PM »
Dear Bioware

I'd be amazed if you're reading this, but I just want to be clear. If the DLC to fix this utter fucking rubbish that i've literally just finished playing isn't fucking free, then you can get fucked you stupid fucks.

Cheers for making a shit day worse with what is the single shittest ending that i've ever seen to a game ever. Bar none. Even the 3 second shit one at the end of the first tomb raider isn't as massively shit and dissapointing as the drivel that i've just watched. I'd be amazed if my eyes aren't bleeding.

Make it free you stupid fucks. We've paid, in both hard earned cash and fucking hours of our lives. You owe us this. Charging us will lose you many, many customers.

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« Reply #339 on: April 2, 2012, 11:38:12 PM »
Another thing that pisses me off is that you have to increase the readiness by playing the multiplayer-part of the game. Who came up with that kind of shite? I'm playing a single-player game so I don't want to be forced to play the fucking multiplayer with shitloads of twats...

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« Reply #340 on: April 2, 2012, 11:45:40 PM »
Another thing that pisses me off is that you have to increase the readiness by playing the multiplayer-part of the game. Who came up with that kind of shite? I'm playing a single-player game so I don't want to be forced to play the fucking multiplayer with shitloads of twats...

and the difference having a full readiness even makes is miniscule
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« Reply #341 on: April 3, 2012, 02:25:16 AM »
That's about as funny as having impotency and a pregnant wife.

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Re: Mass Effect 3- New Info
« Reply #342 on: April 3, 2012, 02:25:59 AM »
My thoughts summed up



Another thing that pisses me off is that you have to increase the readiness by playing the multiplayer-part of the game. Who came up with that kind of shite? I'm playing a single-player game so I don't want to be forced to play the fucking multiplayer with shitloads of twats...

Bioware said not far from the release you don't need multiplayer despite clearly needing to to get the best endings. http://www.oxm.co.uk/39560/want-the-best-mass-effect-3-ending-dont-worry-about-galactic-readiness/. Nice one Bioware for misleading everyone, again.


Going to repost this link from the spoiler in case someone doesn't read through it or want to be spoiled. http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mass-Effect-3/Mass-Effect-3-Story-and-Campaign-Discussion-Spoilers-Allowed/So-today-at-ECC2012-10898335-1.html. Words can't express how much of a load of dicks Bioware have become. Forget EA, we all know what they are like.

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Re: Mass Effect 3- New Info
« Reply #343 on: April 3, 2012, 04:59:15 AM »
My thoughts summed up



Bioware said not far from the release you don't need multiplayer despite clearly needing to to get the best endings. http://www.oxm.co.uk/39560/want-the-best-mass-effect-3-ending-dont-worry-about-galactic-readiness/. Nice one Bioware for misleading everyone, again.


Going to repost this link from the spoiler in case someone doesn't read through it or want to be spoiled. http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mass-Effect-3/Mass-Effect-3-Story-and-Campaign-Discussion-Spoilers-Allowed/So-today-at-ECC2012-10898335-1.html. Words can't express how much of a load of dicks Bioware have become. Forget EA, we all know what they are like.

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That's about as funny as having impotency and a pregnant wife.

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Re: Mass Effect 3- New Info
« Reply #344 on: April 3, 2012, 08:33:07 AM »
2 questions: (I haven't played 3 at all yet)

Does anyone like the ending?

Apparently your "readiness" goes down while you aren't playing. I.E. you could finish playing, go to bed, come back the next morning and it would have dropped, is that true?
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Re: Mass Effect 3- New Info
« Reply #345 on: April 3, 2012, 09:29:06 AM »


2 questions: (I haven't played 3 at all yet)

Does anyone like the ending?

Apparently your "readiness" goes down while you aren't playing. I.E. you could finish playing, go to bed, come back the next morning and it would have dropped, is that true?

No I hate the ending. Everyone I've spoken to or seen who has played the game hates it too.

Yes your Galactic Readiness does go down over time. Only way to keep it up is to reguarly play multiplayer.

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« Reply #347 on: April 3, 2012, 11:43:28 AM »

No I hate the ending. Everyone I've spoken to or seen who has played the game hates it too.

Yes your Galactic Readiness does go down over time. Only way to keep it up is to reguarly play multiplayer.
Really? Fuck me it gets worse. So seeing as i hadn't played it in a week before last nights finale, means i was less ready? Get fucked bioware you fucking twats.

I can only liken ME3 to the 4th season of Battlestar Galactica because I feel the same way about the pair of them. Both had amazing stories and great characters and great writing, but only up to the frinales. Both ME3 and BG both have the feel of writers who went " Oooooohhhhh fuck how do we do what want to do? I dunno, let's just botch it, they probably won't notice"

That ending is fucking toss and I'll be honest, I can't believe that anyone at bioware thought this was a good idea? I'd love for someone to sit down and explain to me how on earth that ending sums up and finishes off the whole saga. I've watched all the "different" endings and frankly if bioware was a person i'd punch them square in the mouth for letting me down so utterly and badly.

Yeah the games up to the toss ending were great, but ME3 is easily the worst of the 3 for me, both in story and feel, probably a 7/10.

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Re: Mass Effect 3- New Info
« Reply #348 on: April 3, 2012, 11:49:44 AM »
Really? Fuck me it gets worse. So seeing as i hadn't played it in a week before last nights finale, means i was less ready? Get fucked bioware you fucking twats.

I can only liken ME3 to the 4th season of Battlestar Galactica because I feel the same way about the pair of them. Both had amazing stories and great characters and great writing, but only up to the frinales. Both ME3 and BG both have the feel of writers who went " Oooooohhhhh fuck how do we do what want to do? I dunno, let's just botch it, they probably won't notice"

That ending is fucking toss and I'll be honest, I can't believe that anyone at bioware thought this was a good idea? I'd love for someone to sit down and explain to me how on earth that ending sums up and finishes off the whole saga. I've watched all the "different" endings and frankly if bioware was a person i'd punch them square in the mouth for letting me down so utterly and badly.

Yeah the games up to the toss ending were great, but ME3 is easily the worst of the 3 for me, both in story and feel, probably a 7/10.

Fix it bioware you c*nts.

When you hit the  your total war score at that points gets locked in so you could disappear for 6 months and come back to finish it off no problem without it being affected by the diminishing galactic readiness. I guess the incentive is for you to go back and get your galactic readiness back up through multiplayer if you're doing a new game. Problem is I don't know how popular the multiplayer will remain and it could become a real pain in the arse trying to raise it up from 50% if fuck all people are playing.

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Re: Mass Effect 3- New Info
« Reply #349 on: April 3, 2012, 11:51:38 AM »
Got this in the post today, the ending sounds horrendous but i guess i'll find out about it on my play through.

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« Reply #350 on: April 3, 2012, 01:24:37 PM »
Is it an enjoyable game before the ending? is it a good game? Does the story have good moments?
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Re: Mass Effect 3- New Info
« Reply #351 on: April 3, 2012, 01:25:48 PM »
Is it an enjoyable game before the ending? is it a good game? Does the story have good moments?

It's a bloody good game until the last 5 minutes.
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Re: Mass Effect 3- New Info
« Reply #352 on: April 3, 2012, 01:28:11 PM »
Is it an enjoyable game before the ending? is it a good game? Does the story have good moments?

It's a great game before the ending with some excellent moments. My favourite being Tuchanka which is one of the few places in the game where your actions from previous games actually matter. Plus it's quite emotional.

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« Reply #353 on: April 3, 2012, 04:52:41 PM »
Is it an enjoyable game before the ending? is it a good game? Does the story have good moments?

A spoiler-free version of how I see the game. The ending ruins part of the fun, but it doesn't change the fact that the whole experience from game 1 to game 3 (minus the final 10 minutes) is exceptional.

I like the balance between actually playing (i.e. shooting stuff, scanning planets or stuff like that) and watching cut-scenes/talking to people. As a shooter, the second one is the best in my view, as the fights (on normal difficulty or whatever it is called) are not really that hard but still challenging. Part 1 is a pain in the arse in terms of the interface they used. Part 3 has too much of that "Well, you've finished one part of the mission/found an important item. Let's spawn another couple of dozen enemies in areas you've already cleared before so you don't get bored"-gameplay (especially in the final mission).

I also loved the stories that were being told and that you get to make decisions that have an influence on what happens next or in the future. People will complain that there are no "huges" decisions that completely change the course of the game (or the ending), but the way Bioware have done this in all three games is still something I haven't seen in any other game. In games like Skyrim or other open-world RPGs you do tons of stuff that would probably change the world. Yet, it barely gets mentioned. In ME it at least has some influence on what is happening.

The best thing about the games is that Bioware have somehow managed to put me under a spell or something. Otherwise, I cannot explain how I got so attached to the characters. Characters that are basically a shitload of pixels on my computer screen. Yet, I get goosebumps if they have to make an important decision or if they die. At the same time, it feels great, if I meet someone I've met before and simply have a chat with them. About what they're doing now, about how meeting Shepard has changed them. That's why for me all three games (regardless of the ending) have been a truly memorable experience.

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Re: Mass Effect 3- New Info
« Reply #354 on: April 3, 2012, 07:14:49 PM »
This is an interesting defence of the ending, find myself agreeing with a lot of it because I didn't think it was that bad, I mostly wished it was longer.

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« Reply #355 on: April 3, 2012, 07:45:59 PM »
To be honest, I think it is bullshit. The majority of people are playing computer-games, because they want to be entertained. Not to be taken on a 6-year-long pseudo-philosophical trip so that in the end 5% of the audience can wank over how smart they are with their pseudo-philosophical way of thinking. And then let people watch them wank on the internet by going on about how they are among those 5% of the people who get it and how everyone else is a stupid c*nt.

What kind of reasoning is that? What about some of the plot holes that have been pointed out already? Oh, I forgot, there are no plot-holes, it's just what isn't there to be seen so every player can come up with an explanation himself. That's like promoting an illustrated book about Katy Perry's sex-life, charge 500 quid for it and have one photo of her sitting at a table in there and the line under it reads "That's Katy Perry, now imagine you're banging her..."

To be fair, he has a point with the actual endings not being that much of a problem. I don't agree with the criticism about lack of choice or lack of how decisions influence the outcome. The other stuff is bollocks though in my view...
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Re: Mass Effect 3- New Info
« Reply #356 on: April 3, 2012, 07:58:13 PM »
This is an interesting defence of the ending, find myself agreeing with a lot of it because I didn't think it was that bad, I mostly wished it was longer.

http://badassdigest.com/2012/04/03/the-ending-of-mass-effect-3-is-spectacular/

I didn't agree at all. This bit in particular "That’s an incredible ending, one that actually manages to one up 2001 in terms of big, trippy ideas."took me close to just stop reading altogether. The ending isn't "deep" or "artsy". It just reeks of Bioware either copping out or not having enough time to finish it. When you consider EA's track record with wanting to rush games out, I think it's the latter.

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Re: Mass Effect 3- New Info
« Reply #357 on: April 3, 2012, 08:35:56 PM »
This is an interesting defence of the ending, find myself agreeing with a lot of it because I didn't think it was that bad, I mostly wished it was longer.

http://badassdigest.com/2012/04/03/the-ending-of-mass-effect-3-is-spectacular/
Sorry Rusty, i'm with Stoa and Red James on this one. That whole article, to me, was some gimp going "LOOK AT ME, I'M SAYING I LIKED IT JUST TO BE DIFFERENT!!! I'M SO MUCH COOLER THAN YOU LOT" when in reality, the ending to mass effect 3 (and in some ways a lot of the actual game), an ending to a trilogy that's prided itself on the player being the one telling the story, the one making the choices, that you, the gamer, moulds the story to you.....the ending was a cop out. it had no significant choices because

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« Reply #358 on: April 3, 2012, 08:46:53 PM »
Yeah, hyperbolic and rambling in places but I was just pleased to see a well worded reaction that wasn't frothing at the mouth about the whole thing. And to be fair I don't see him claiming the ending to be deep, artsy or anything like that, it's incredibly simple really which I found both great and annoying. It's a bold choice but not a wholly satisfying, one which I can appreciate but not really love.

To be honest, by the time I got to it I wasn't overly arsed because I was underwhelmed by the game and story so I found the ending equally underwhelming.
I liked it when I first started but about two thirds in I more or less lost interest for some reason. The game does feel rushed and a little rough around the edges unlike the extremely polished second game so maybe it was something to do with that. Strangely I had the exact same experience playing through the latest Assassin's Creed game.
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Re: Mass Effect 3- New Info
« Reply #359 on: April 3, 2012, 08:49:16 PM »
Sorry Rusty, i'm with Stoa and Red James on this one. That whole article, to me, was some gimp going "LOOK AT ME, I'M SAYING I LIKED IT JUST TO BE DIFFERENT!!! I'M SO MUCH COOLER THAN YOU LOT" when in reality, the ending to mass effect 3 (and in some ways a lot of the actual game), an ending to a trilogy that's prided itself on the player being the one telling the story, the one making the choices, that you, the gamer, moulds the story to you.....the ending was a cop out. it had no significant choices because


Spot on. Pretty much what I was trying to say in my late night rant  :D

The whole game reaked of laziness and cutting corners from relegating main characters from past games to small cutscene cameos or emails to just photoshopping something off google images and going "Here this is Tali who we know you all wanted to see".