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Re: Tory Bastards
« Reply #3040 on: July 7, 2012, 11:43:51 AM »
OH, Funded by them is it, they're all c*nts with too much money, feed the fucking poor thats what i say, Christ would be turning on his cross of he saw whats going on.

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Re: Tory Bastards
« Reply #3041 on: July 7, 2012, 12:09:19 PM »
OH, Funded by them is it, they're all c*nts with too much money, feed the fucking poor thats what i say, Christ would be turning on his cross of he saw whats going on.
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Re: Tory Bastards
« Reply #3042 on: July 7, 2012, 01:58:52 PM »
Britain has become a more equal society, according to the Institute for Fiscal Studies, in important research published three weeks ago, on 15 June, which went almost entirely unreported.

It showed that post-tax incomes fell sharply in the first year of the coalition Government (April 2010 to April 2011). That part was widely reported (Daily Mail: “Biggest drop in our incomes in 50 years”). But higher incomes fell more than lower incomes, resulting in a markedly more equal distribution. Of national print newspapers, only The Daily Telegraph reported this finding, although it did not carry the headline, “George Gideon Oliver Osborne, son of Sir Peter Osborne, 17th Baronet of Ballentaylor and Ballylemon and Felicity Alexandra Loxton-Peacock, educated at St. Paul's and Magdalen College, Oxford, egalitarian.”

I cannot understand why the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats have not made more of this. The figures, an IFS re-crunch of official data, are in fact a tribute to the success of Labour Government policy, reflecting tax and benefit changes made by Alistair Darling. But they suggest that the coalition started with a more favourable trend that runs counter to popular assumptions.

The findings apply across the income distribution, and include the richest one per cent, although that might partly reflect avoidance of the new 50p top rate of income tax.

But the study is a classic example of the “prism media” theory. It runs so counter to the prevailing assumptions – the rich get richer, the poor bear the brunt of the financial crisis – that it has been neither reported nor discussed. The IFS spends quite a lot of time saying “we don’t know” what is happening since April 2011, but the evidence suggests that until then the rich bore the brunt and that poverty was declining.* But that simply cannot be seen through the prism of the media.

Hence there is much more coverage of Danny Dorling’s out-of-date and anti-Labour interpretation, which says that income is now more unequal than at any time since 1940 (the IFS says recent highs, before the most recent fall, were the highest since 1961). Dorling glosses over the Great Thatcher Decade of Division, about which some people have written whole books, which is when inequality markedly increased in Britain. Dorling says, “Since 1979 these inequalities have risen dramatically and continue to rise.” No, they rose dramatically and then stayed more or less the same, rising slightly and unevenly but nothing like they did in the Thatcher period.

And Dorling’s assertion that, “as each year passes … the richest one per cent get richer still” is now flatly contradicted by the IFS data.

*Poverty in modern rich countries has to be measured on a relative scale. Once people have enough to eat, what matters is how well-off you are in relation to others, or the extent to which the poor can afford things that others take for granted.

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Re: Tory Bastards
« Reply #3043 on: July 7, 2012, 04:14:34 PM »
I cannot understand why the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats have not made more of this.

Because "incomes' are falling" is not particularly great PR.

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But the study is a classic example of the “prism media” theory. It runs so counter to the prevailing assumptions – the rich get richer, the poor bear the brunt of the financial crisis – that it has been neither reported nor discussed. The IFS spends quite a lot of time saying “we don’t know” what is happening since April 2011, but the evidence suggests that until then the rich bore the brunt and that poverty was declining.* But that simply cannot be seen through the prism of the media.

This is true, anything contrary to the media narrative will not be reported.  If inequality / poverty had increased, you can guarantee they would be screaming from the rooftops.  This is not a conspiracy, just the way news values operate.

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And Dorling’s assertion that, “as each year passes … the richest one per cent get richer still” is now flatly contradicted by the IFS data.

The biggest problem with talking about the "richest one percent" is that they are not always the same people.  Obviously, the likes of Bill Gates is permanently part of the 1%, but below the likes of him, people move into and out of that bracket - they are not an organised group.

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*Poverty in modern rich countries has to be measured on a relative scale. Once people have enough to eat, what matters is how well-off you are in relation to others, or the extent to which the poor can afford things that others take for granted.

No it doesn't.  It isn't poverty and it shouldn't be called poverty.  What they are talking about is people who are "relatively poor."  This should not detract from the fact that there are some, very few, people in this country living in actual poverty.
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Re: Tory Bastards
« Reply #3044 on: July 7, 2012, 05:44:03 PM »
...and look at that fucking eyesaw they have threw up in London, the fucking "shard" Shard my arsehole. Dirty bastards. The sooner Labour get back in the fucking better.

Yeah, a Labour government would never have signed off on the Shard, and certainly not a Labour mayor under a Labour government - no way

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« Reply #3045 on: July 7, 2012, 07:19:33 PM »
Yeah, a Labour government would never have signed off on the Shard, and certainly not a Labour mayor under a Labour government - no way

Irrespective of who was in charge it is an eyesore - may have been ok and somewhat hidden if tucked in among the existing sky scraper types on the London landscape - but as it stands on its own in bizarrely one of the poorer London boroughs, it sticks out like a sore thumb.

Apparently it was funded by Qatar or something.  But with the economy being what it is much of it at the moment will have an absence of tenants, save for some hotel chain taking up some floors.

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Re: Tory Bastards
« Reply #3046 on: July 7, 2012, 07:46:22 PM »
Irrespective of who was in charge it is an eyesore - may have been ok and somewhat hidden if tucked in among the existing sky scraper types on the London landscape - but as it stands on its own in bizarrely one of the poorer London boroughs, it sticks out like a sore thumb.

Sorry to disagree but it is tucked in with other high rise buildings so doesn't stand on its own other than in height.

I was at Kings and Guys on Wednesday and had a really good look.

I think it's a stunning looking building especially right up close, absolutely fantastic when you look upwards, the way it sweeps away to the sky.

And the way the sky is reflected off it is magical too, so as a building, I have to say I actually like it a lot.



But I digress...and the Shard has nothing to do with the Tories.
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Re: Tory Bastards
« Reply #3047 on: July 7, 2012, 07:53:55 PM »
Sorry to disagree but it is tucked in with other high rise buildings so doesn't stand on its own other than in height.

I was at Kings and Guys on Wednesday and had a really good look.

I think it's a stunning looking building especially right up close, absolutely fantastic when you look upwards, the way it sweeps away to the sky.

And the way the sky is reflected off it is magical too, so as a building, I have to say I actually like it a lot.



But I digress...and the Shard has nothing to do with the Tories.


I'm with you, I quite like it too, although as a general rule, I like skyscrapers.

Mind you, I was excited to hear that there's a viewing gallery at the top, until I heard it was twenty notes to go up there.

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« Reply #3048 on: July 7, 2012, 08:25:42 PM »
Our London office is across the road from it and when I say it stands out this is simply due to size in comparison to other buildings around it.  Think it's ugly anyway.  But obviously going off track re the thread.

So I'll finish with Tory bastards!

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Re: Tory Bastards
« Reply #3049 on: July 8, 2012, 07:45:37 PM »
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Re: Tory Bastards
« Reply #3050 on: July 9, 2012, 01:24:17 PM »
Q posted :- "The council has a policy of providing free school meals for every child - that is money over and above the money used to provide free meals for children in families on benefits.  Funding from Whitehall pays for everything a school normally receives, but does not pay for Islington Council's decision to pay for all school meals.  The council shows no concern for the parents or children of those schools when they chose to withdraw that funding out of sheer spite."

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« Reply #3051 on: July 9, 2012, 01:36:53 PM »
Behave yourself will you?
You've got the bleedin' bare-faced affrontery to quote council meals policy in respect of an academy that's just pissed off out of council control ?? 
Like on oh so many an occasion in the long and the not-so-long past, words fail me at the triple-talk bollux you right wing free-marketeers spew up when it suits.

 ::) The council has a policy for all the kids in its borough to have free meals, the schools - and these children - remain within their borough even though they are no longer controlled by it.  It is very petty and sadly designed to hurt poor, working families whose children go to a school that has opted out of their control.  I am saddened that you would support blatant political games calculated to hurt vulnerable members of our society just to have a victim they can use to attack a Tory government.  I also find it deeply ironic considering that that this was a former Labour policy!
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Re: Tory Bastards
« Reply #3052 on: July 9, 2012, 02:22:27 PM »
You're ignoring the political agenda already on the table here. Not the doing of the Labour Council but inspired (or egged on- you take yer pick) by Tory central propaganda, this school opted for the Westminster academy.
Now then, if they voluntarily elect to take themselves out of the local authority's control - no-one expelled them here - it's slightly incongruous - moreover, it's a tad bloody offensive to me for them to immediately cancel the local authority's current free meals policy and demand that parents pay or more cheekily still, attempt to conspire to embarrass the local authority into continuing to pay for its ex charge.

It's wanting their bloody ha'penny and cake and as such, whilst it IS indeed a fairly petty issue as a one-off, on the grand political scale of things, it is a shining example of brazen bourgeois insolence in expecting that they, having voluntarily jumped ship, should STILL receive freebies from the now-dumped formerly responsible administrator. 

It was probably such conceited and reprehensible antics in 1789 Paris that cost some of those idiotic clowns their titfer-carriers..... :P
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« Reply #3053 on: July 9, 2012, 07:42:10 PM »
Sorry to disagree but it is tucked in with other high rise buildings so doesn't stand on its own other than in height.

I was at Kings and Guys on Wednesday and had a really good look.

I think it's a stunning looking building especially right up close, absolutely fantastic when you look upwards, the way it sweeps away to the sky.

And the way the sky is reflected off it is magical too, so as a building, I have to say I actually like it a lot.

But I digress...and the Shard has nothing to do with the Tories.

Yeah, got to agree I think it's beautiful too. You get a great view of it walking from Waterloo station and you can see that the angle of the shard perfectly matches all those weird and particularly London-y Hawksmoor/Wren church spires. In that sense it (whether intentionally or not) fits in and enhances existing London buildings a hell of a lot better than most other London Skyscrapers I can think of.

Besides which, the London skyline being what it is it would really take something to 'ruin' it - the sheer randomness and variety of architecture is part of what makes London so interesting.

There are plenty of reasons to get annoyed at the Shard, I suppose, but to do so on aesthetic grounds seems bizarre unless you've never actually been to London and seen it in context from a few angles.
I'm with you, I quite like it too, although as a general rule, I like skyscrapers.

Mind you, I was excited to hear that there's a viewing gallery at the top, until I heard it was twenty notes to go up there.
Yeah, that was a bit annoying. £20 to go up a bloody lift? Come on. That's even more than the London Eye and the London Eye is dependent on that to keep going.

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Re: Tory Bastards
« Reply #3054 on: July 9, 2012, 08:53:14 PM »
Not that it is related to the thread, but I agree £20 seems a bit steep to go to the top of the Shard, but it is not that expensive (I wouldn't pay that mind). A quick Googling suggests that it costs $25 to go up to the viewing platform of the Empire State Building.  I don't recall paying that much... but it is worth it, we went up twice (once at night).
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« Reply #3055 on: July 9, 2012, 09:15:01 PM »
Not that it is related to the thread, but I agree £20 seems a bit steep to go to the top of the Shard, but it is not that expensive (I wouldn't pay that mind). A quick Googling suggests that it costs $25 to go up to the viewing platform of the Empire State Building.  I don't recall paying that much... but it is worth it, we went up twice (once at night).

Is $25 to go to the top of the rock (Rockefeller Plaza). I chose there because you can see the Empire State building as part of the view of the city. Not to hate on London, but the views of Manhattan and the surrounding boroughs seem like much better value for money, and for cheaper fee.
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Re: Tory Bastards
« Reply #3056 on: July 9, 2012, 09:19:09 PM »
Is $25 to go to the top of the rock (Rockefeller Plaza). I chose there because you can see the Empire State building as part of the view of the city. Not to hate on London, but the views of Manhattan and the surrounding boroughs seem like much better value for money, and for cheaper fee.

Definitely.  New York is far better than London on many levels.
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« Reply #3057 on: July 9, 2012, 10:03:00 PM »
Definitely.  New York is far better than London on many levels.

Can't blame the Torys on that I guess  :)
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« Reply #3058 on: July 10, 2012, 12:24:17 AM »
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« Reply #3059 on: July 10, 2012, 07:24:10 AM »
Watched the debate on changes to the Lords for about
10 minutes last night.
Malcolm Rifkind who is a c#nt slaughtered Clegg, the deputy pm for about
5minutes.
He said Clegg was so poor and wishy washy he should represent mid-atlantic,
to Clegg`s total embarrasssment the others  collapsed in heaps of laughter with more
abuse to him from all sides.

Coalition is taken a bit of a battering again.

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« Reply #3060 on: July 10, 2012, 02:51:50 PM »
Watched the debate on changes to the Lords for about
10 minutes last night.
Malcolm Rifkind who is a c#nt slaughtered Clegg, the deputy pm for about
5minutes.
He said Clegg was so poor and wishy washy he should represent mid-atlantic,
to Clegg`s total embarrasssment the others  collapsed in heaps of laughter with more
abuse to him from all sides.

Coalition is taken a bit of a battering again.


I thought the best one came early in the debate yesterday. Clegg had been talking for about five minutes going on about what a shite system the Lords is (have to agree on that one like), but praising them for doing a fantastic job.
Bloke intervenes, "So what you're saying is the Lords is brilliant in practice, but no good in theory" - howls of laughter ensued and the useless Clegg, who has rarely looked more useless, never recovered in my opinion. 
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Re: Tory Bastards
« Reply #3061 on: July 10, 2012, 02:54:33 PM »
Bloke intervenes, "So what you're saying is the Lords is brilliant in practice, but no good in theory"

He's probably right.  House of Lords needs reform, but not the dog's mess they are proposing.
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Re: Tory Bastards
« Reply #3062 on: July 10, 2012, 03:02:02 PM »
The Lords should go one of two ways - either go back to the old way of doing things or have a fully elected second house.

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Re: Tory Bastards
« Reply #3063 on: July 10, 2012, 03:12:57 PM »
The more I hear the arguments ventured against Lords reform, the worse they sound.

F*cks sake, we've been waiting a hundred years to reform the Lords, there never will be a good time to do it.  Even since 97 we've had endless reports/commissions looking at it.  Let's just get on with it.

I'm not suggesting the current proposals are fantastic, but I find it embarrassing that we have an unelected chamber shaping the laws which effect all of our lives.

The stance Labour are taking on this is beyond absurd, how supposedly 'progressive' politicians can be using their positions to ensure the continuation of undemocratic rule over us is shameful.

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« Reply #3064 on: July 10, 2012, 03:16:31 PM »
The Lords should go one of two ways - either go back to the old way of doing things or have a fully elected second house.

If it's fully elected, how will it be different to the commons? Who is going to stand for election to the second house, when they could stand for the first? Do we end up with a lot of second-rate candidates, not deemed good enough for the real job? Who does that help? And if they are there on party lines, what's the point when they'll just agree with their opposite numbers in the Commons anyway? Or do we end up with mid-term 2nd house elections that will generally tend to return the opposition to the government, meaning they'll usually just be putting the skids on whoever is in power. (Would be useful at the moment, but would soon reduce the whole system to long-term impotence.) What new powers will they have? They need some, or what are we supposed to base our vote on?

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« Reply #3065 on: July 10, 2012, 03:19:46 PM »
The more I hear the arguments ventured against Lords reform, the worse they sound.

F*cks sake, we've been waiting a hundred years to reform the Lords, there never will be a good time to do it.  Even since 97 we've had endless reports/commissions looking at it.  Let's just get on with it.

I'm not suggesting the current proposals are fantastic, but I find it embarrassing that we have an unelected chamber shaping the laws which effect all of our lives.

The stance Labour are taking on this is beyond absurd, how supposedly 'progressive' politicians can be using their positions to ensure the continuation of undemocratic rule over us is shameful.

The current minority Tory government is undemocratic rule. Breaking the coalition, which Labour hopes to do, would force a general election and enable the people to return a government that reflects their actual beliefs. If the cost of that is reform of something as insignificant (and by all accounts, reasonably effective in its current form) as the House of Lords, then so be it.

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« Reply #3066 on: July 10, 2012, 03:23:59 PM »
If it's fully elected, how will it be different to the commons? Who is going to stand for election to the second house, when they could stand for the first? Do we end up with a lot of second-rate candidates, not deemed good enough for the real job? Who does that help? And if they are there on party lines, what's the point when they'll just agree with their opposite numbers in the Commons anyway? Or do we end up with mid-term 2nd house elections that will generally tend to return the opposition to the government, meaning they'll usually just be putting the skids on whoever is in power. (Would be useful at the moment, but would soon reduce the whole system to long-term impotence.) What new powers will they have? They need some, or what are we supposed to base our vote on?


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« Reply #3067 on: July 10, 2012, 03:30:33 PM »
The more I hear the arguments ventured against Lords reform, the worse they sound.

F*cks sake, we've been waiting a hundred years to reform the Lords, there never will be a good time to do it.  Even since 97 we've had endless reports/commissions looking at it.  Let's just get on with it.

I'm not suggesting the current proposals are fantastic, but I find it embarrassing that we have an unelected chamber shaping the laws which effect all of our lives.

The stance Labour are taking on this is beyond absurd, how supposedly 'progressive' politicians can be using their positions to ensure the continuation of undemocratic rule over us is shameful.
Totally agree.

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« Reply #3068 on: July 10, 2012, 03:53:38 PM »
The current minority Tory government is undemocratic rule. Breaking the coalition, which Labour hopes to do, would force a general election and enable the people to return a government that reflects their actual beliefs. If the cost of that is reform of something as insignificant (and by all accounts, reasonably effective in its current form) as the House of Lords, then so be it.

The election of a government you don't agree with doesn't make it undemocratic.

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« Reply #3069 on: July 10, 2012, 03:56:26 PM »
The election of a government you don't agree with doesn't make it undemocratic.

No. The taking of power by a minority government with a fig-leaf coalition partner enacting a devastating series of radical measures that were in neither party's manifesto is though.

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« Reply #3070 on: July 10, 2012, 03:58:01 PM »
No. The taking of power by a minority government with a fig-leaf coalition partner enacting a devastating series of radical measures that were in neither party's manifesto is though.

And not pushing through with Lords reform when it is in the manifestos of all 3 parties?

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« Reply #3071 on: July 10, 2012, 04:09:51 PM »
And not pushing through with Lords reform when it is in the manifestos of all 3 parties?

Can't win em all. They aren't actually opposing the reform, anyway. What they are rejecting is the "programme motion" - a parliamentary device intended to stifle debate (how democratic!) and rush through difficult or controversial legislation. It was something sporadically used by the last Labour government, and led David Cameron, defender of democracy, to criticise it in his maiden speech to the house in 2001.

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« Reply #3072 on: July 10, 2012, 04:23:11 PM »
Another side to the Lord`s argument is how much it costs.

An article in a paper some years ago(maybe Independant)
tells of huge numbers of Lords come to London for a jolly
few days.
They sign in of a morning to claim attendance allowance and hotel expenses
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« Reply #3073 on: July 10, 2012, 04:59:39 PM »
Can't win em all. They aren't actually opposing the reform, anyway. What they are rejecting is the "programme motion" - a parliamentary device intended to stifle debate (how democratic!) and rush through difficult or controversial legislation. It was something sporadically used by the last Labour government, and led David Cameron, defender of democracy, to criticise it in his maiden speech to the house in 2001.

I understand the sentiment, but however you dress it up, it's Labour taking a stand on maintaining the status quo of an unelected House of Lords, something progressive parties have been campaigning against since the 19th century.

I'd rather have some work shy, expenses gobbling half-wit that I elected than a work shy, expenses gobbling half-wit appointed by Cameron or Miliband
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« Reply #3074 on: July 10, 2012, 05:16:21 PM »
I understand the sentiment, but however you dress it up, it's Labour taking a stand on maintaining the status quo of an unelected House of Lords, something progressive parties have been campaigning against since the 19th century.

It isn't. Miliband will back the reform. Ironic that you think democracy should be compromised in the process, though, isn't it?

As for the rest, I refer you to my questions above.

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« Reply #3075 on: July 10, 2012, 05:33:32 PM »
If it's fully elected, how will it be different to the commons?

To be honest I had no problem with the status quo of having the hereditary lords in the upper house but there you go. Now it's just stuffed with political failures given a peerage to keep them sweet and is just all those who weren't good enough to be MPs (which shows how shit they must be). If people don't want to go back to the unelected hereditary peers, bishops and ex-Generals filling the second house the only other logical alternative is to have a fully elected second house.

The current minority Tory government is undemocratic rule.

Unless you think we should have had a re-election in 2010 any government currently sitting would have been undemocratic by your apparent standards.
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« Reply #3076 on: July 10, 2012, 05:50:20 PM »
close that useless thing and make it into a car park, much better (and honest) return on investment
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« Reply #3077 on: July 10, 2012, 06:04:01 PM »
Unless you think we should have had a re-election in 2010 any government currently sitting would have been undemocratic by your apparent standards.

No, there are better ways of managing minority governments than simply getting another party to sign off on their agenda. It's more about what this coalition is doing, many things that were in neither of the governing party's manifestos, but patently come from the back benches of the Tory party. No-one voted for the sell off of the NHS or the forests. No-one voted for scrapping schools for the future, smashing surestart or any of the other dozens of half-cocked ideas rushed out by this government. They have no legitimate mandate.

The nature of coalition is supposed to be compromise, but far from meeting in the middle of the agendas put forward by the Tories and Lib Dems before the election, we are getting served policy after policy from the extreme right wing of the Tory party. The only Lib Dem concessions have been a tax cut - no Tory is going to oppose a tax-cut, even one aimed at the poor, and the most poorly organised and debated referendum in my lifetime. Lords reform is really the last chance for the Lib Dems to acheive any of their real objectives in this government (and it is very, very low on the priorities of the average voter)

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« Reply #3078 on: July 10, 2012, 06:06:55 PM »
That shower of shite have done it again, closed 17 Remploy
factories to sell off to private enterprise.

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« Reply #3079 on: July 10, 2012, 06:26:11 PM »
No, there are better ways of managing minority governments than simply getting another party to sign off on their agenda. It's more about what this coalition is doing

There were only three paths open - go into coalition, have a minority government or have another election. Manifestos mean nothing other than the lies the parties are using to persuade enough people to vote them into the main place at the trough for five years.

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