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Re: Tory Bastards
« Reply #2960 on: June 28, 2012, 12:40:14 AM »
Yeah she got thrown to the wolves by the two posh boys, but she clearly waffled without giving her own opinion, which is something I can't accept. Course this isn't anything new, since almost every politician does the same in a slightly less obvious approach.

So really, what is the point of them? Few speak their mind, while most sound like a rehearsed script choreographed by a third person. Politicians now stand for big businesses before the common man, probably why they feel the need to lie and side-step interview questions. As for Osborne, just totally clueless... sitting in the vital position to help ease this financial crisis today, yet he has no experience on the economy, but does have a 2:1 in modern history. He can't even face Paxman, so how is he handling the economic stress? Labour are no better if anyone expects them to be the solution.

And, I've still got "households and businesses" ringing in my head thanks to Chloe Smith... argh, that interview just pushed me into a wee rant.

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« Reply #2961 on: June 28, 2012, 12:52:23 AM »
 That interview had me in stitches. Can just imagine Osborne coming up to her; "Chloe love, they want me to come on Newsnight to talk about this change of policy but I'm a bit busy... Fancy it?'

 Wasn't half thrown to the Wolves there was she.
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Re: Tory Bastards
« Reply #2962 on: June 28, 2012, 06:51:48 AM »
No sympathy, she got what she deserved.
If you go on Paxman`s show you have to be on the ball.

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Re: Tory Bastards
« Reply #2963 on: June 28, 2012, 12:37:27 PM »
Yeah she got thrown to the wolves by the two posh boys, but she clearly waffled without giving her own opinion, which is something I can't accept. Course this isn't anything new, since almost every politician does the same in a slightly less obvious approach.

So really, what is the point of them? Few speak their mind, while most sound like a rehearsed script choreographed by a third person. Politicians now stand for big businesses before the common man, probably why they feel the need to lie and side-step interview questions. As for Osborne, just totally clueless... sitting in the vital position to help ease this financial crisis today, yet he has no experience on the economy, but does have a 2:1 in modern history. He can't even face Paxman, so how is he handling the economic stress? Labour are no better if anyone expects them to be the solution.

And, I've still got "households and businesses" ringing in my head thanks to Chloe Smith... argh, that interview just pushed me into a wee rant.
She was there to explain the Treasury reasoning behind the u-turn, not her own personal opinion.
Doesn't appear as though No.11/the whips put out a standard response/party line, its not as if she was blindsided.

Boris and Gove must be pretty pleased with the low stock level No.10 Dumb and No.11 Dumber have within their grassroots and the electorate.

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Re: Tory Bastards
« Reply #2964 on: June 28, 2012, 01:26:32 PM »
Doesnt matter what the polls say as Labour will not win the next election.

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Re: Tory Bastards
« Reply #2965 on: June 28, 2012, 01:34:37 PM »
Doesnt matter what the polls say as Labour will not win the next election.

Naturally it will be a bit difficult for Labour to win without revealing what their policies actually are.
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Re: Tory Bastards
« Reply #2966 on: June 28, 2012, 01:50:42 PM »
Doesnt matter what the polls say as Labour will not win the next election.

You seem very sure of that.

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Re: Tory Bastards
« Reply #2967 on: June 28, 2012, 04:52:49 PM »
Iain Duncan-Smith is visiting our work tomorrow.I'm not going to be able to pass up the opportunity to have my say.I might even make the Evening news headlines haha.

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Re: Tory Bastards
« Reply #2968 on: June 28, 2012, 06:49:38 PM »
Naturally it will be a bit difficult for Labour to win without revealing what their policies actually are.

The Tories didn't have policies for ages under Cameron. I don't think they'd have received many more votes had they told everyone what they were going to do years before the 2010 election.

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« Reply #2969 on: June 28, 2012, 07:10:55 PM »
Doesnt matter what the polls say as Labour will not win the next election.

The tories won't win the next election, they didn't win the last election when Gordon Brown was so unpopular.

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« Reply #2970 on: June 28, 2012, 09:24:30 PM »
At the moment, it's not who wins the next election that bothers me - the scarier thought is that no-one will win the next election - everyone will lose - including us.

Unless a shitload of people get their heads out of their arses and fucking VOTE!

In a way I can understand the apathy but then again I can't. People died to give you that vote to right, so use it. My missus went to the same school the Pankhursts went to - pupils there are reminded of it every time an election comes around.

If we don't use it, one day we might wake up to discover that we are about to lose it (I don't think it'll get to the point where we find out we've actually lost it but I reckon it might come close unless we unite).

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Re: Tory Bastards
« Reply #2971 on: June 28, 2012, 09:45:58 PM »
The awful problem is, Jim, if you substitute Labour for Tories, there's virtually no difference.  Alas.
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« Reply #2972 on: June 28, 2012, 09:48:56 PM »
The awful problem is, Jim, if you substitute Labour for Tories, there's virtually no difference.  Alas.
That makes me want to cry, it really does, to think how far Labour has sunk, to think what they meant to me as a teen........still, what other option is there? A wasted/spoiled vote or a veto is tantamount to contributing to the status quo.

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« Reply #2973 on: June 28, 2012, 10:23:21 PM »
The awful problem is, Jim, if you substitute Labour for Tories, there's virtually no difference.  Alas.
Lansley, Hammond and Gove are showing that this is not strictly true, nevermind the Chuckle Brothers.

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« Reply #2974 on: June 28, 2012, 11:20:42 PM »
That makes me want to cry, it really does, to think how far Labour has sunk, to think what they meant to me as a teen........still, what other option is there? A wasted/spoiled vote or a veto is tantamount to contributing to the status quo.

Hey there's an idea......Status Quo for PM.......
Many people will feel Labour had their chance, and a lot of wrong you see today happened on their watch. I'm also sceptical whether they've learnt from past mistakes, as they still persist on their spend spend spend culture, which is incredibly dangerous right now (can't have a sequel to the amount of waste they caused).

Bunch of crooks in charge now aren't better by any means, they are both a disaster in their own unique way.  There is a voting system, and of course I'm grateful the opportunity exists, but not when you have the same self serving idiots all through the ballot papers.

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« Reply #2975 on: June 28, 2012, 11:31:17 PM »
First past the post creates this system though - just makes a system where if you don't like one set of guys, then the other not very good set of guys are the only realistic option. It's why alternative vote had to come in and why the majority of the government campaigned against it, which was a disgrace.
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Re: Tory Bastards
« Reply #2976 on: June 29, 2012, 12:08:52 AM »
The awful problem is, Jim, if you substitute Labour for Tories, there's virtually no difference.  Alas.

Sense at last!! Although it wont go down well on here.

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« Reply #2977 on: June 29, 2012, 12:20:13 AM »
The whole thing makes me a little disillusioned with Politics. They are all so out of touch.

The awful problem is, Jim, if you substitute Labour for Tories, there's virtually no difference.  Alas.

Agree with this. There needs to be a new party and system that can challenge these two.  Would be nice to have a three party state at least instead of this current two party state that we seem to be stuck in at the moment with either Labour or tories winning the elections.

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« Reply #2978 on: June 29, 2012, 12:54:11 AM »
Sense at last!! Although it wont go down well on here.

Indeed. That is bang on and explains why there is so much apathy today.

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« Reply #2979 on: June 29, 2012, 01:57:48 AM »
The awful problem is, Jim, if you substitute Labour for Tories, there's virtually no difference.  Alas.

I see a lot of this. I think people just aren't paying attention to what this government is actually doing. Labour did a lot wrong, true, and they did a few things that I thought were unjustifiable. But every single day you hear some new attack by this government on the ordinary, the poor, the sick and the weak. At least Labour brought in the minimum wage. The Tories want to do away with that. Labour brought in Tax Credits. The Tories are well on the way to doing away with them too.

Short of armed revolution, the ONLY way we are getting rid of this lot for the time being is to install a Labour government.

And no, in an ideal world you wouldn't vote for the least worst option, but if you really intend to just sit on your arse while these selfish, ignorant thugs throw people out of their jobs, out of their homes, out of the hospitals and care centres, the kids out of nurseries, then you are worse than all of them put together.

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« Reply #2980 on: June 29, 2012, 10:45:30 AM »
I see a lot of this. I think people just aren't paying attention to what this government is actually doing. Labour did a lot wrong, true, and they did a few things that I thought were unjustifiable. But every single day you hear some new attack by this government on the ordinary, the poor, the sick and the weak. At least Labour brought in the minimum wage. The Tories want to do away with that. Labour brought in Tax Credits. The Tories are well on the way to doing away with them too.

Short of armed revolution, the ONLY way we are getting rid of this lot for the time being is to install a Labour government.

And no, in an ideal world you wouldn't vote for the least worst option, but if you really intend to just sit on your arse while these selfish, ignorant thugs throw people out of their jobs, out of their homes, out of the hospitals and care centres, the kids out of nurseries, then you are worse than all of them put together.

Exactly. I'd like a Labour party that you could identify as more Traditional, less New but thats not going to happen, certainly not for the foreseeable future. But I'd vote in Labour in a heartbeat compared to the current coalition, nevermind a fully charged Tory majority. As posted elsewhere, it's rather puzzling that one of the standard defences of the Tories is "They're all the same/Labour are just as bad". Surely if you felt like this you would either declare you have no intention of voting for either party, or be just as comfortable voting Labour as Conservative?

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Re: Tory Bastards
« Reply #2981 on: June 29, 2012, 03:10:40 PM »
The awful problem is, Jim, if you substitute Labour for Tories, there's virtually no difference.  Alas.

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« Reply #2982 on: June 29, 2012, 03:27:57 PM »
That makes me want to cry, it really does, to think how far Labour has sunk, to think what they meant to me as a teen........still, what other option is there? A wasted/spoiled vote or a veto is tantamount to contributing to the status quo.

Hey there's an idea......Status Quo for PM.......

Me too Jim.  I was damn near born in Wavertree Labour Club and barely away from it while I was growing up, and was active in the Party for many years.   But nowadays?  Nah.  Problem was I got too close - daylight let in on the magic and all that stuff, and the more I saw the less I could relate to.  Will I vote Labour again?  Can't see it happening - certainly not with the current MP. 
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« Reply #2983 on: June 29, 2012, 05:17:45 PM »
Brown was better than this shambles.
I was reading the other day that a clever tax break from Brown is a huge reason why there's a resurgeance in small, quality breweries in the UK. That alone means his administration pisses all over this one, in that it managed to do at least one good thing.
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« Reply #2984 on: June 29, 2012, 05:22:03 PM »
The fact is, the huge majority of modern politicians are a complete waste of time who are in hock to some interest or other. They don't give a fuck about you or me or anyone else other than themselves and how they can feather their own nests. They lie, they cheat and they steal shamelessly because they know that even if they do happen to get caught they'll have to put up with a few days of shit in the press and then after a few days a new series of Britain's Got Talent will start and the mouth breathing morons that make up the large proportion of this country's population now will forget it ever happened. Then they can go back to lying, cheating and stealing again.

Tory, Labour, Lib Dem - they're all exactly the same under the skin. They'll do anything to get into power and then they'll use their time in power to fuck the country up a little bit more before they get voted out again and then they sit on the opposition benches and slaughter the sitting government for doing the exact things they were doing for the last five years.

Watch any of the big debates in Parliament and you'll see them acting in a way that would shame a primary school class. Loads of posh wankers who've never grafted a real days work in their lives hooting at each other like retarded fucking monkeys.

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« Reply #2985 on: June 29, 2012, 05:28:38 PM »
Sounds utterly ripe for manipulation.
Yep, one clear example is in the 'beyond the call of duty' bollocks. It's very, very easy for, say, a P.E. teacher to organise school trips etc because they don't actually have any marking to do. Compare that to, say, an English teacher, or a foreign language teacher who also has to cope with the extreme apathy we have about foreign languages. It would also seem to completely ignore the reality of different intakes, and what exactly does this system do about the broad truth that the best teachers simply don't want to teach in the worst schools anyway? It's nonsense, but it speaks with the language of the market so of course Gove et al are keen on it. It's got nothing to do with results or improvement, everything to do with a very warped type of capitalist agenda, sadly.
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« Reply #2986 on: June 29, 2012, 05:34:18 PM »
That makes me want to cry, it really does, to think how far Labour has sunk, to think what they meant to me as a teen........still, what other option is there? A wasted/spoiled vote or a veto is tantamount to contributing to the status quo.

Hey there's an idea......Status Quo for PM.......
That's the problem though isn't it? It's also an area where the left in this country have failed, horribly and pathetically. There are alternatives, we don't vote for them because we see it as a 'wasted vote', even though our 'non-wasted' vote for Labour achieves nothing other than a slightly less horifically devisive and destructive version of the same bullshit. I mean, how can it be a waste to vote for something genuinely different rather than a fractionally smaller pile of the same old shit?

Then, worst of all, we had an opportunity to change all of this with the A/V vote earlier this year. Unfortunately we pissed it up the wall for a generation through a mixture of ignorance, laziness, vindictiveness and a quite phenomenally misguided sense of rage at the Lib Dems.

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« Reply #2987 on: June 29, 2012, 10:50:59 PM »
Mad Nad the Scouse working class tory made me laugh today. She said that Chloe Smith was a good egg. No working class Scouser calls someone a good egg!

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« Reply #2988 on: June 30, 2012, 12:01:37 AM »
Labour is by no stretch perfect, but they're a hell of a lot better than this current shower of bastards for sure. 

I really can't think of one policy that has been positively welcomed by the majority in this country by the current jokers.  Obviously there may be one or even more, but I can't simply think of any?  Maybe the 3p tax rise on fuel.  But even that's not scrapped, simply put off till the new year.  Actually there is no policy that's been positive really is there?

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« Reply #2989 on: June 30, 2012, 12:12:29 AM »
Me too Jim.  I was damn near born in Wavertree Labour Club and barely away from it while I was growing up, and was active in the Party for many years.   But nowadays?  Nah.  Problem was I got too close - daylight let in on the magic and all that stuff, and the more I saw the less I could relate to.  Will I vote Labour again?  Can't see it happening - certainly not with the current MP. 

It's 'the political class' now - that's not some catchphrase, it's a new social stratum. To them, we are insects.

We are heading inexorably towards a nightmare scenario in my opinion because they are not going to voluntarily give away their priveleges: I may be wrong, but I don't think anyone ever has done before, not on the scale required, anyway. And it is even more the case for their masters (the bankers) - they have never had so much to lose.
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« Reply #2990 on: June 30, 2012, 01:14:09 PM »
So fucking depressing.
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« Reply #2991 on: July 1, 2012, 10:48:22 AM »
The problem is the need to capture the hearts and minds of middle England is paramount with all parties, it is center right /center left or with Lib Dem confused which center to support.  So you can put a tissue paper between the policies of the main parties and their leaders persona's the difference is far more obvious with the rank and file Labour MP's and the tory back benchers but the front benches with the exception of Andy can inter change they just need to adjust the rhetoric to suit.

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« Reply #2992 on: July 2, 2012, 11:30:24 AM »
Liam Fox thinks we've all forgot.
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« Reply #2993 on: July 2, 2012, 11:55:32 AM »
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'We warned that this would happen': parents' fury as academy axes free school meals for every child
Published: 29 June, 2012
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PARENTS, unions and the Town Hall have all condemned a decision by a primary school to abandon free school meals for every child just months after opting out of local authority control.

Governors at William Tyndale School, in Upper Street, Islington, pressed ahead with a decision to become an academy – which means the school is funded directly from Whitehall – in November despite bitter opposition from some parents who at one point threatened to take legal action.

Now, just seven months later, the school says it has a hole in its budget and can no longer afford to pay for free school meals.

In a letter to parents it blamed the council for not stumping up the extra money. The Town Hall’s education chief dismissed this, however, saying that governors were warned that free school meals were an extra the school risked losing out on if it went it alone.

Islington’s Labour council has a flagship policy to provide free school meals for all children regardless of income. The popular policy not only saves hard-up parents £300 a year, but ensures that poorer children do not feel stigmatised and so stops any class division in the classroom.

Last year, three Islington primary schools decided to become academies, which means they are funded directly from Whitehall. The government says this gives them more freedom to spend their budget as they see fit.

In a letter signed by chair of governors Becky Crichton-Miller, parents were told this week that “after much deliberation and regret, the governing body has concluded that it is no longer possible [to continue universal free school meals] as the cost from our school budget is too high”.

While the decision does not affect families on benefits, everyone else will have to pay £2 a day for meals.

The letter adds that the cost of free school meals at William Tyndale is £140,000 a year. It then adds: “We had thought that Islington Council would either bring the UFSM [Universal Free School Meals] to an end, as most local authorities have done, or decide to include all children in Islington within the policy, as Southwark Council has done.

However, [in 2012] it decided to continue to pay for school meals for all children at Islington primary schools, but continue to exclude children who attend academy primary schools, even though these children are from families who contribute to the council tax which pays for these meals.

“The governing body has strongly opposed the council’s decision and we remain in discussion with them both directly and through the Department for Education in order to try to put right this iniquity.”

One parent contacted the Tribune to say that parents were up in arms over the decision. “We are furious,” she said. “We warned that this would happen. It will divide the school into us and them?”

But Labour councillor Richard Watts, the council’s education chief, dismissed the school’s claims. He said the figure of £140,000 a year was wrong.

He added that the government should be giving William Tyndale the same amount of money that all other primary schools receive from the Town Hall.

“We are checking with the Department for Education to see if this is the case because if it is it would not be fair that William Tyndale receives the money for school meals twice.”

He added that if the DfE was not matching the budget then the council would step in to resolve the problem.

“We think they should be getting the money from the government to pay for this from September onwards,” he said.

“There are significant errors of fact in the letter. But we do think free meals should be universal. We don’t want to exclude academies but we don’t want them to get the money twice.”

Alasdair Smith, of the Anti-Academies Alliance, said: “They were warned this might happen. The academy system promises a pot of gold with no consequences and that has seduced headteachers and governors. It’s not the case and schools need to know that.”

Ms Crichton-Miller said: “The governing body consider it is wholly inappropriate to respond to the points allegedly made by the local authority through the local press.”
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Re: Tory Bastards
« Reply #2994 on: July 2, 2012, 12:15:21 PM »
'We warned that this would happen': parents' fury as academy axes free school meals for every child

I'm really not sure why you are posting this in this thread?  Did you only read the headline, not the actual article?
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« Reply #2995 on: July 2, 2012, 12:35:59 PM »
I'm really not sure why you are posting this in this thread?  Did you only read the headline, not the actual article?

I read the article.
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Re: Tory Bastards
« Reply #2996 on: July 2, 2012, 01:54:49 PM »
I'm really not sure why you are posting this in this thread?  Did you only read the headline, not the actual article?

I read it all, and of course they ran out of money and of course their local LEA are not coming up with the required amount!
 
However Q that might have something to do with Gove basically asset stripping all the functions within Lea's who advise and help in various School issues, these days it is hard to find many happy staff within a Lea. Gove is also getting rid of Lea by many devious routes including the Payrole staff, Admin Staff in general leaving the schools to either have to go down the Academy route or go down with the now cash starved ship called your local Lea! They do this by witholding even more funds in real terms through many convenient movements of goal posts!

 Gove needs all this money mind you for people like his mate Toby Young to have his own egotist school and then Gove can employ him at our expense to advise on something he knows sod all about.

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« Reply #2997 on: July 2, 2012, 03:06:49 PM »
Yes because voting Tory means you automatically think that's perfectly fine.

It's a fair assumption.

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« Reply #2998 on: July 4, 2012, 05:42:43 PM »
I read the article.

Then you will understand that this is simply a case of a vindictive Labour council playing political games.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/nature/controversial-plans-to-sell-off-englands-public-forests-abandoned-by-government-7907605.html

Controversial plans to sell off England’s public forests abandoned by Government

Controversial plans to sell off England’s public forest estate were finally abandoned by the Government today, after an expert panel called for the 637,000 acres of woodlands owned by the Forestry Commission to remain in public ownership.

The panel was hastily set up last year after the initial plan to dispose of the forests, and raise £250m, brought down an unprecedented barrage of criticism on the Government and forced the first major u-turn of the Coalition’s time in office, with the Environment Secretary, Caroline Spelman, shelving the scheme and publicly apologising for putting it forward in the first place.

Today, barely minutes after the report was published online, Mrs Spelman announced that she accepted its main recommendation and that the idea of a sell-off, one of the first of the Tories’ ‘Big Society’ policies, had been given up for good. “Our forests will stay in public hands,” she said.

"We will not sell the public forest estate. We'll be talking to all those who are passionate about our forests to decide how we will manage our forests for the future.”

It remains to be seen whether ministers will accept several other major recommendations made by the panel, chaired by the Bishop of Liverpool, the Rt Rev James Jones, which range from setting up two new bodies to look after woodlands, to increasing the amount of forest cover in Britain by half – from ten per cent of the land area, to fifteen per cent, by 2060.

Britain has one of the lowest percentages of forested land in Europe, where the average is 37 per cent, and indeed, a century ago UK forest cover stood at merely five per cent.

The panel, which included the heads of the National Trust, the  Confederation of Forest Industries, the Wildlife Trusts and the RSPB among others, and which received the remarkably high number of 42,000 individual submissions, called for a new culture of valuing woodlands for their benefits to people, wildlife and the green economy.

 “England’s trees, woods and forests represent a vast and underused national resource,” it asserted.

The panel said that in future, the public forests, which represent 18 per cent of the total, should be managed by a new body evolved from Forest Enterprise England, currently part of the Forestry Commission.

The new body should be free from political control and should be governed by a charter, they said, which would set out its mission to provide public benefits, to be delivered through a group of guardians or trustees accountable to Parliament.

It also recommended that all English woodlands, public and private, should be overseen and promoted by a new body evolved from Forest Service, the part of the Commission currently delivering scientific expertise, incentives and regulation.

It proposed that funding such new bodies to 2020 would cost £22m and £7m respectively.

Asked if he thought this was “a big ask” of the Government during a recession, Bishop Jones said: “It’s an important question. These are important sums of money, but relatively so  – when you discover that nine kilometres of dual carriageway costs 160 million pounds, you think that 22 million for the public forest estate, given all the benefits it delivers for society, is a legitimate call on the public purse.”

The panel’s report was widely welcomed today. Hilary Allison, policy director of tjhe Woodland Trust, said the charity was delighted that the Government had confirmed the public forest estate was safe.

“It is vital that the Government now works towards ensuring the estate is effectively resourced and developed to deliver more benefits for more people,” she said.
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