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Seriously what is wrong with some of you.

I admit I didn't want Kenny at the start of the season but I had reason for that and that as I didn't want Kenny to manage us under H H & G and after Rafa.

However Kenny is the right man for the job now and talk of Jose is just plain stupid. Some of you need to look yourself in the mirror and ask what LFC is about.

I'm not sure anyone is saying Kenny is not the right man are they ?

 
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Depends how you seek to define class

If you are talking about morals then obviously not

But if you are talking about intelligence and ability to inspire through actions then he most definitely does

intelligence is required at this level, ability is a talent. nothing to do with class,

Class is when a man sets the club and the people in front of him self and he's status, Class Is when a man say's a little but a lot.  Class is King Kenny
Quote from: Fordy on July 20, 2012, 01:24:46 PM
Anything more that 6m for Joe Allen and we have been ripped off.

Loads of Joe allens out there.

I would like to see him stay at Swansea myself and see if he can have another decent season. He is a championship player - players like a championship player.

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Well, I'm not saying I like the idea of Ferguson managing Liverpool but I want a manager who wins us great amount of titles and makes us the biggest winners in English/World football. As long as the manager wins us titles I almost don't care who it is...

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intelligence is required at this level, ability is a talent. nothing to do with class,

Class is when a man sets the club and the people in front of him self and he's status, Class Is when a man say's a little but a lot.  Class is King Kenny

That to me sounds like Mourinho

Go ask a Chelsea or Inter fan for confirmation
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I'm not sure anyone is saying Kenny is not the right man are they ?

 

When they're saying they would rather Jose then yes they're.

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That to me sounds like Mourinho

Go ask a Chelsea or Inter fan for confirmation

U mean when he won a thing or two he pisses off to make he's name even more famous? Chelsea love terry, that should be enough to define them. Inter fans are still pissed at him for leaving for he's fame to seek it elsewhere and make he's name even bigger.

and to there is one thing u are missing, WE AREN'T CHELSEA OR INTER , we are Liverpool Football Club.
Quote from: Fordy on July 20, 2012, 01:24:46 PM
Anything more that 6m for Joe Allen and we have been ripped off.

Loads of Joe allens out there.

I would like to see him stay at Swansea myself and see if he can have another decent season. He is a championship player - players like a championship player.

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Jose fucking Mourinho over Kenny Dalglish? Fucking hell , I am beginning to question my sanity here on RAWK now.

Mate, I feel ill at the thought. Honestly, some people just defy belief.
I would struggle, really struggle to watch us with that jumped up, self serving, egotistical, whore in charge.

Kenny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mourinho.

And that is generous. Fucking hell.
I got the Lucas thing wrong. Will be right on Henderson though. Play him RM, play him CM - Not good enough and never will be.

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Mate, I feel ill at the thought. Honestly, some people just defy belief.
I would struggle, really struggle to watch us with that jumped up, self serving, egotistical, whore in charge.

Kenny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mourinho.

And that is generous. Fucking hell.

He'd bring us to the top and ruin us financially. Still, he's 10 times the manager Kenny is. I adore Kenny, he's a legend, but he's not a mastermind.

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He'd bring us to the top and ruin us financially. Still, he's 10 times the manager Kenny is. I adore Kenny, he's a legend, but he's not a mastermind.

10 times the manager Kenny is? Fuck me and fuck off. This is KK were talking about, not Tony fucking Pulis. Give me millions to spend on a team and even I'll lead us to a league title. Mourinho with money, Kenny with class.

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Like you, I rate Guardiola. My point was that unless FSG are prepared to finance significant squad improvements I don't think that he will feel that he can compete. Whether they are  remains to be seen.

I am bemused by the antipathy towards Mourinho by some on here - too many have forgotten what it takes to win.

I continue to think that Kenny represents the safe option for FSG.
Guardiola as a human being actually doesn't seem a million miles away from Kenny, which is why I believe, if it's true next season will be his last at Barca, he would consider a club like us. He doesn't strike me as the type that will just pitch up at City or Chelsea just because they have loadsamoney.

As far as Mourinho is concerned I've said in the past that there would be some fantastic positives to having him come here, however it's a road laden with too many pitfalls if you ask me. And the idea of binning Kenny off for someone who would have a large part of the fanbase already offside strikes me as clinically insane given what we've just been through with Hodgson. It would be a recipe for disaster IMO. The ONLY way it could possibly work would be if he came in, immediately hit the ground running and we smoothly and quickly rose back to the top. And even then I think there would still be plenty of dissenters.

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intelligence is required at this level, ability is a talent. nothing to do with class,


Again it depends on the definition

We always mention the class of a player in terms of their ability

Mourinho has the intelligence to unite his squad often through words rather than just by any tactical decision. We would absolutely love the man if his one liners were backing our corner. I would be almost certain of it. The squad would also be delighted with him being appointed on the basis of reputation and intent alone.

Again I repeat though that the job is currently Dalglish's and he has done nothing to suggest it should not be awarded to him in the summer.
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He'd bring us to the top and ruin us financially. Still, he's 10 times the manager Kenny is. I adore Kenny, he's a legend, but he's not a mastermind.

Give Kenny 200m to spend (like Maureen had) and he will be a mastermind, you idiot.

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10 times the manager Kenny is? Fuck me and fuck off. This is KK were talking about, not Tony fucking Pulis. Give me millions to spend on a team and even I'll lead us to a league title. Mourinho with money, Kenny with class.

fucking right, and that c*nt spent almost half a billion and still couldn't win the champions league with Chelsea.

Barca with 6 home grown players out class he's madrid with two most expensive players in history. fuck off Jose
Quote from: Fordy on July 20, 2012, 01:24:46 PM
Anything more that 6m for Joe Allen and we have been ripped off.

Loads of Joe allens out there.

I would like to see him stay at Swansea myself and see if he can have another decent season. He is a championship player - players like a championship player.

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10 times the manager Kenny is? Fuck me and fuck off. This is KK were talking about, not Tony fucking Pulis. Give me millions to spend on a team and even I'll lead us to a league title. Mourinho with money, Kenny with class.

Kenny with class, and  hopefully a little help from his £57m strike partnership :p

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fucking right, and that c*nt spent almost half a billion and still couldn't win the champions league with Chelsea.

Barca with 6 home grown players out class he's madrid with two most expensive players in history. fuck off Jose

Eh he has won it twice dude

Of course Barca are outclassing him. They are one of the best teams there has ever been.
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Kenny with class, and  hopefully a little help from his £57m strike partnership :p

That's the exact amount of money Kenny got from the sales of Babel and Torres, so his net spending is 0.

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He'd bring us to the top and ruin us financially. Still, he's 10 times the manager Kenny is. I adore Kenny, he's a legend, but he's not a mastermind.

I am sorry but were you around this summer?
Ruin us financially but 10 times the manager Kenny is. Doesn't make sense to me.
Kenny may not be as glamorous or paint himself as a mastermind.
Mourinho doesn't and hasn't managed at the top level on any kind of budget.
He is the ultimate short term fix.

Give him a big but underachieving club. An open cheque book and two seasons.
You'll have a grand time but it'll be a hollow victory when you are left cleaning up the mess once he has pissed off to the next pay day and photo shoot.

Kenny has an incredible football mind, and has already proved himself skilled tactically in his three months back at the helm.
Plus for Kenny it is the club, then the fans, then the players, then the tea lady, and then a long way after, himself.
Mourinho thinks about himself and himself only.

Kenny is the man for Liverpool. Right now, and for as long as he continues to perform, and he would say the same.
Mourinho is not, can not and never will be the man for Liverpool.
I got the Lucas thing wrong. Will be right on Henderson though. Play him RM, play him CM - Not good enough and never will be.

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My reaction to some people in this thread:


Seriously, disappointed in some of the people here. Mourinho over Kenny? What? Kenny came in just January and has already turned it around, a few months we were in a relegation battle and now we are talking about CL football. With some cash to spend in the summer Kenny will guide as back to the top. This talk about Mourinho being much better than King Kenny is just disgraceful. Kenny is LFC, Jose fckin Mourinho is not.
We've won the league, we've won the cup, we've been to Europe too!

One day, people will hopefully look back and say "I was there son. I was there the year that Spurs won nothing again."

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Again it depends on the definition

We always mention the class of a player in terms of their ability

Mourinho has the intelligence to unite his squad often through words rather than just by any tactical decision. We would absolutely love the man if his one liners were backing our corner. I would be almost certain of it. The squad would also be delighted with him being appointed on the basis of reputation and intent alone.

Again I repeat though that the job is currently Dalglish's and he has done nothing to suggest it should not be awarded to him in the summer.

80% of footballers are spoiled brats with the intelligence of a peanut that spend most of their spare time on new hair cuts and clothes, make them feel special is like saying to a fat chick it's what on the inside that matters to get laid.  He uses simple psychology with making them feel special and the world being against them.

combine that with He's defensive football means they will give it all in every challenge and squeeze the position to make a mistake.  That's all that is to him.

Plus give managers the kind of money and squads he haves been given and we would have a different arrogant prick but with a different name. The Only thing he really achived was to tin champions league with porto. the rest is what good managers do with the sort of funds. nothing fucking special about it.
Quote from: Fordy on July 20, 2012, 01:24:46 PM
Anything more that 6m for Joe Allen and we have been ripped off.

Loads of Joe allens out there.

I would like to see him stay at Swansea myself and see if he can have another decent season. He is a championship player - players like a championship player.

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Eh he has won it twice dude

Of course Barca are outclassing him. They are one of the best teams there has ever been.

not with fucking chelsea he didn't.

read ffs
Quote from: Fordy on July 20, 2012, 01:24:46 PM
Anything more that 6m for Joe Allen and we have been ripped off.

Loads of Joe allens out there.

I would like to see him stay at Swansea myself and see if he can have another decent season. He is a championship player - players like a championship player.

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He'd bring us to the top and ruin us financially. Still, he's 10 times the manager Kenny is. I adore Kenny, he's a legend, but he's not a mastermind.
you taking the piss? what were you expecting from jan 9th when he tookover? givr him a fucking season atleast b4 you judge

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Guardiola as a human being actually doesn't seem a million miles away from Kenny, which is why I believe, if it's true next season will be his last at Barca, he would consider a club like us. He doesn't strike me as the type that will just pitch up at City or Chelsea just because they have loadsamoney.

As far as Mourinho is concerned I've said in the past that there would be some fantastic positives to having him come here, however it's a road laden with too many pitfalls if you ask me. And the idea of binning Kenny off for someone who would have a large part of the fanbase already offside strikes me as clinically insane given what we've just been through with Hodgson. It would be a recipe for disaster IMO. The ONLY way it could possibly work would be if he came in, immediately hit the ground running and we smoothly and quickly rose back to the top. And even then I think there would still be plenty of dissenters.
Just to clarify before someone tries to lump me in with the Mourinho-loving dogs in this thread, I was simply saying that there are some pros and some cons for Mourinho...and it's mostly all cons. I'd never support the idea of him being our manager.

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80% of footballers are spoiled brats with the intelligence of a peanut that spend most of their spare time on new hair cuts and clothes, make them feel special is like saying to a fat chick it's what on the inside that matters to get laid.  He uses simple psychology with making them feel special and the world being against them.

combine that with He's defensive football means they will give it all in every challenge and squeeze the position to make a mistake.  That's all that is to him.

Plus give managers the kind of money and squads he haves been given and we would have a different arrogant prick but with a different name. The Only thing he really achived was to tin champions league with porto. the rest is what good managers do with the sort of funds. nothing fucking special about it.

Breaking Inter's CL hoodoo also deserves immense credit, especially in the manner of some of the performance (brilliant at Stamford Bridge and against Barca in the San Siro and breezed the final).

If it was that easy, everyone would have a record like he has. I find this criticism of him bizarre but hey it is all on opinion. I would still be convinced the majority of the people saying he would never make a good manager for us would flip that around inside the first few months if he ever did get appointed.
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not with fucking chelsea he didn't.

read ffs

Problem with half the people on these boards, type before they read.

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not with fucking chelsea he didn't.

read ffs

Obviously I read it but trying to make a point that he couldn't win the CL with Chelsea is rather foolish when he has won it with two other clubs, no ?

The ability to read between the lines would be beneficial for yourself
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I would still be convinced the majority of the people saying he would never make a good manager for us would flip that around inside the first few months if he ever did get appointed.
Nah because even if he got us back to the top it would all be about him wouldn't it? I stick by my assertion that there would be a sizeable chunk who would detest him no matter what.

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FSG and Liverpool do their washing indoors, Certain people such as H+G and Mourinho prefer to do it outdoors.

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Breaking Inter's CL hoodoo also deserves immense credit, especially in the manner of some of the performance (brilliant at Stamford Bridge and against Barca in the San Siro and breezed the final).

If it was that easy, everyone would have a record like he has. I find this criticism of him bizarre but hey it is all on opinion. I would still be convinced the majority of the people saying he would never make a good manager for us would flip that around inside the first few months if he ever did get appointed.

That was the key to them winning the Champions League actually, and that prick got extremely lucky considering Barca's route to Italy, you could clearly see they were exhausted.

Speakin of his records.. as someone said here, he only deserves credit for winning CL with Porto.
His record in Europe against us under Rafa... well, it is his nightmare probably. He was outclassed tactically in both semis despite having a squad 3 or 4 times more expensive than ours. Still there are idiots in here who call that prick a mastermind.

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Well, I'm not saying I like the idea of Ferguson managing Liverpool but I want a manager who wins us great amount of titles and makes us the biggest winners in English/World football. As long as the manager wins us titles I almost don't care who it is...

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Obviously I read it but trying to make a point that he couldn't win the CL with Chelsea is rather foolish when he has won it with two other clubs, no ?

The ability to read between the lines would be beneficial for yourself

it isn't when u spend almost half a fucking billion and still can't win over the man (Rafa) he him self calls average. 
Quote from: Fordy on July 20, 2012, 01:24:46 PM
Anything more that 6m for Joe Allen and we have been ripped off.

Loads of Joe allens out there.

I would like to see him stay at Swansea myself and see if he can have another decent season. He is a championship player - players like a championship player.

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If you are talking about morals then obviously not

Morality?

This is football, not the fucking bible.
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That was the key to them winning the Champions League actually, and that prick got extremely lucky considering Barca's route to Italy, you could clearly see they were exhausted.

Speakin of his records.. as someone said here, he only deserves credit for winning CL with Porto.
His record in Europe against us under Rafa... well, it is his nightmare probably. He was outclassed tactically in both semis despite having a squad 3 or 4 times more expensive than ours. Still there are idiots in here who call that prick a mastermind.

Manchester United were their only challenge in 2004. If a lucky Tim Howard drop didn't occur it is safe to say Manchesters name would have been on that trophy that year. Their route to the final after that was the easiest it could have been. Each semi finalist that year would have all been easily ousted if they were to face any one else. It was one of those years such as Barnsley Cardiff and Pompey in the semi's of the F.A Cup.

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That was the key to them winning the Champions League actually, and that prick got extremely lucky considering Barca's route to Italy, you could clearly see they were exhausted.

Speakin of his records.. as someone said here, he only deserves credit for winning CL with Porto.
His record in Europe against us under Rafa... well, it is his nightmare probably. He was outclassed tactically in both semis despite having a squad 3 or 4 times more expensive than ours. Still there are idiots in here who call that prick a mastermind.

Well I think I will bow out on this quite frankly ridiculous suggestion

A man who has a varied and brilliant winning record including the longest league unbeaten home ever (?) apparently only deserves credit for the one title he won at a smaller club.

He lost a few tight games to Rafa ? So what. Find me the manager that hasn't been outclassed on numerous occasions. Consistency is the key and if you look at his CV you will find it.

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Why is Maureen so passionately hated on here? Of course I dont think he'd do better than Kenny and I think Kenny has done a very good job of stabilizing the ship.

The point really is though, the love for managers and players is only true till they get results. The kid who shall not be named started getting criticized the moment he wasnt performing at the level. Same for Rafa. The same reason why Alonso is remembered and regarded so highly because in his last season he was boss. So people who think that Kenny is a given for the manager, are just using that he is a legend at the club and he has brought in results. If we were 8th in the league right now fighting it out with Sunderland, Bolton and Everton, this thread would have been a long one, and about 70 per cent of these people would be saying the same things as the fickle guys are. Liverpool dont have like years to get there act together (some might argue we do, but if we dont get some quick success, there are better investments that owners might start looking at) IMO its crucial we get some short term success. When we hired Kenny, we were thinking of getting through the season and looking at world class managers, who can build a dynasty and achieve success.

The fact that Kenny has done a better job than Roy coupled with the fact that he is Kenny suddenly makes people think he is the only choice. No matter what people say, we are still in a dangerous position, where we can go top 4 next year and get some money, remodel the stadium and start building very positively, OR we can also get dangerous results in some games, get thrown out of 2 domestic cups that we are in and by next February, we will be headed to a disaster. If suddenly we get as bad results in the first four months of next season, Kenny will be gone, and so will all the top players including Reina, Suarez and some more by the end of next season. No matter what investments we do, a world class coach reduces the risk of these sudden falls and should be looked at.

Next year is an ideal start to the next LFC generation and a coach with ideas and a new project with owners ready to invest might be the thing we need (just like Rafa did here from his day one, he had ideas and he slowly improved the quality of squad and get more and more world class players only for the cancers to suddenly stop investing) On the other hand Kenny has done enough to get him the job. He is wonderful with kids and with the current Academy and reserves setup, I can defo see Kenny getting the best out of the system. At the same time, he has been tactically wrong in some games (not based on yesterday). There are pros and cons on both sides. I dont know who are these top coaches, I dont watch half as much as footy as Mac_red. I just dont think the appointment of Kenny is as obvious as people are making out it is. If criticizing him after a loss is fickle, shouts for him getting a long contract are just as fickle after a good victory. I have nothing against Kenny being given the position, but neither do I have anything against a top young coach with ideas and capable of radical change being brought in. Kenny should be judged at the end of this season, based on the results, not on sentiments. Its not his squad so it wont give us a great judgment, but if there is one coach out there who we think could get 1 more point than Kenny did (in the same situations), we should be talking to him too. (And yes, with the squad we have I think we could have won the Europa league, I know its not as significant as CL, but it was not less than a blunder by Kenny which is going unnoticed, because he is Kenny)

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Well I think I will bow out on this quite frankly ridiculous suggestion

A man who has a varied and brilliant winning record including the longest league unbeaten home ever (?) apparently only deserves credit for the one title he won at a smaller club.

He lost a few tight games to Rafa ? So what. Find me the manager that hasn't been outclassed on numerous occasions. Consistency is the key and if you look at his CV you will find it.

Well, he deserves credit for every title he has won actually. What I really mean is.. apart from winning CL with Porto, in winning other titles he did nothing special, he was supposed to reach those heights with the teams and blank chequebooks he had.

It would be interesting to see him managing a club limited financially tho, like we were under G & H

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Well, he deserves credit for every title he has won actually. What I really mean is.. apart from winning CL with Porto, in winning other titles he did nothing special, he was supposed to reach those heights with the teams and blank chequebooks he had.

It would be interesting to see him managing a club limited financially tho, like we were under G & H

to be honest, I don't even think Mourinho could have done better than Rafa was.  Having to sell all your best players and replace them with cheaper ones will stop any manager from having success.

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to be honest, I don't even think Mourinho could have done better than Rafa was.  Having to sell all your best players and replace them with cheaper ones will stop any manager from having success.

I am 100% sure he would do far worse than Rafa, under those circumstances...

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Well I think I will bow out on this quite frankly ridiculous suggestion

A man who has a varied and brilliant winning record including the longest league unbeaten home ever (?) apparently only deserves credit for the one title he won at a smaller club.

He lost a few tight games to Rafa ? So what. Find me the manager that hasn't been outclassed on numerous occasions. Consistency is the key and if you look at his CV you will find it.



Madness isn't it? Whilst I am for not one second suggesting him instead of Kenny, belittling a manager who has won three different leagues, a treble, a UEFA cup and two European Cups is bizarre. He's a dick, but he's a great manager.

Anyway, let's sign Kenny up and put this to bed.
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I am 100% sure he would do far worse than Rafa, under those circumstances...

I mean, it's really impossible to say.  If I had to say, though, I do think he'd have done about the same.  I don't think having him instead of Rafa would have won us the league in 08/09 or anything though.

Madness isn't it? Whilst I am for not one second suggesting him instead of Kenny, belittling a manager who has won three different leagues, a treble, a UEFA cup and two European Cups is bizarre. He's a dick, but he's a great manager.

Anyway, let's sign Kenny up and put this to bed.4

Totally agree.