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Melwood academy vs Kirkby academy
« on: March 13, 2011, 04:46:25 AM »
I have been wondering whether to share this topic in the forum for a few weeks now, just because I didn't know where to start with it. The whole point of this thread is to enlighten the small amount (and I mean small amount) of Rawkites on here who are unfamiliar with the way the academy used to operate and the way it has been operating in the past few years.  This post is going to be at a youth level and not first team level due to my own personal experience, which is where the idea for this post came from. So please allow me to explain.

I've been playing football since I was 3 years old. I joined SSC Whiston when I was 4 years old and football became my life. My dad is an avid Liverpool fan and passed that wonderful tradition on to me. He took me to games, bought me kits, videos,posters etc.. Just like 95% of kids in Liverpool, I wanted to be a professional footballer more than anything, and would give anything to do it. So I practiced everyday, most of my coaching came from my dad  (who represented his country, Libya, at U21 level)  before moving to Liverpool when he was 20.

Anyways, I started to stand out as a player and got noticed a few times. We had a great Junior team at SSC and the only trouble we would come up against was when we played Whiston Juniors (ring a bell? stevie's junior team). They were a great team, and when we played them 5-6 scouts would turn up to watch every time. We played Whiston in the spring cup in 1996 and the sidelines were packed with people. I was 9 years old and  loved playing football and I managed to have a cracking game. we won 3-2 and I bagged a free Kick and scored form a corner ( I meant it, Honest ;)).


MELWOOD

After the game my dad came up to me and told me that he had been talking to a few scouts and had obviously picked Liverpool from the bunch, and told me they wanted me to train with them. It was unbelievable, and to this day I can remember that moment. So the day came when I would go to the academy. My dad and I turned up at Melwood 1 hour early, we pulled in and parked and just sat there taking it all in. After about 20 mins we saw other kids turning up and started walking towards the astroturf that was there at the time at the far end of the pitches. When training was about to start there must have been at least 28 kids there. All for one age group. So training went on, I can't remember the details, The only thing I can remember from that session was the amount of parents crowding around Steve Heighway, who was walking round watching all of the sessions that were going on.

My experience of the academy was a memorable one. We trained twice a week and everytime I turned up I'd be in awe of the surroundings. I remember we had two squads at the time, because there were so many kids there. There were kids there who seemed like part of the furniture. The coaches knew them well, The parents were in on all the jokes and never missed a chance to have a talk to the coaches, especially Steve Heighway. The training, as far as I remember was lots of ballwork, much different to the turn up, run round the pitch once and then have a game for an hour that I was used to. The staff were very friendly, they would always say hello and generally seemed pleased to be there. The facilities, even then were much better than I'd ever seen before. I'd played, at that time, on lots and lots of pitches around Liverpool and I couldn't believe the amount of grass that was on the pitch at Melwood. They had groundsmen on it all the time, and they would never miss a chance to tell you to get off it if you strayed on. The long path towards the astroturf was always ample opportunity to knock a long ball on to the pitches just so you could go and get it. We weren't treated to the lavish lifestyle of the first team, so we wore our own clothes to train in and our own boots. I remember one kid, who was constantly in trouble (because he was a bitter). He turned up to Melwood with an Everton top on. Steve Heighway happened to walk round the corner as we were all walking towards the pitch. He glanced at the kid, ran over to him and told him to get it off or go home. We trained at night, so we never got to see the first team train. They kept us very much separate and we weren't allowed special treatment, because we weren't professionals, we were just kids with a chance.

Steve Heighway was very much the centre of it all. He spoke with the parents, oversaw the coaching sessions, handled the games and was the big figure around Melwood. Everyone seemed to want a piece of him. The parents were always going out of their way to promote their kids and so on.I still hold to this day that alot of becoming a pro is who you know, not how good you are. Case in point Christian Poulsen  :). At this stage, it really was just all the face of Liverpool that you saw. We did alot of small sided games and patterns of play, the real top of the line stuff that I had never seen before and was mesmerised by.

I was at the academy for 2 years, until I was 11 and then I remember vividly, the 2 coaches that we had at the time invited around 15 of us into a room. They told us that they had to trim their squad because they were forming one team and entering the youth leagues and that unfortunately we were not part of the plans anymore. So my Liverpool dream was over. As I look back on it now, I remember fondly the time that I spent there. I often think if I had been more mature would I have tried harder. Melwood was a phenomenal experience. For a kid, who loved everything about LFC it was a dream come true.


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My second experience of the academy came a few years ago when I was 20. I was at Edgehill University doing my degree in sports science, and that fateful end of 3rd year came when I had to do my dissertation. My head lecturer at Edgehill, Graham Smith, is a youth coach and scout at Everton and has been for years. Anyway, the fella is an absolute legend, and dead easy to work with. So i thought, while I'm doing my dissertation, I could use his contacts to get what I need to get a good mark. I had a meeting with him, and he suggested I do it on Education in young professional footballers. He told me that Liverpool was the place to go to for that kind of information, because their programme for youth players was really good. What I had planned to do was compare a Liverpool's education system to a championship club and write my dissertation on the differences. So I chose Tranmere as my championship team (who Graham also put me in contact with).

So I travelled to Kirkby academy to have a meeting with one of the fellas at Liverpool, who oversees the tutoring of the youth players. Think his name was Dave. So he spent an hour telling me about what the lads get up to during the day. He said that they come in around 9, eat breakfast, train for 2 hours and then they go to school. The schooling is provided on the grounds of the academy, by the tutors and covers things like coaching, English language, and some science. He said the qualification they would come out with would be an NVQ in coaching. He made it clear that alot of the lads consider themselves professional footballers already, and are above these sorts of things, so a massive emphasis is placed on learning. The discipline level is high, with lads not being allowed to play if they were not performing in the classroom. After that he gave me a tour of the academy. The facilities are second to none. Some of the stuff I saw was unbelievable. They account for everything. The gym shits all over David LLoyd and JJB and then with the addition of the physio rooms and all of that equipment it's an athletes dream. The pitches are class aswell. As someone who's played on many a shit pitch, you become a turf management specialist and stop to appreciate an amazing pitch when you see one. There is such a winning tradition placed at the academy and it seemed as if they have it drilled into them that this club is everything and you are nothing without it. You will fight for this club, because it will not let you down. It's a business run by fans, who more than anything want it to succeed, making sure they give 100% every day they are there

So from the academy at Melwood to the Academy at Kirkby, I realised that we are a club on the move. We were always at the top and we are making every effort to get back there. There seems such a good work ethic in both places, everyone understands who they work for and they run like clockwork. It's the epitomy of doing a job that you love, just because of the name you are associated with. I obviously haven't been for a few years, not since my dissertation, but I can only assume that we are continuing to grow and develop.

This was just a brief summary of my experience, plus a small amount of info on the experiences that young pros go through.  The love I have for this club is unending and I am just glad that I had the chance to be part of something so special. Even if it was only for a brief period of my life.

Make no mistake these are exciting times at Liverpool FC and the club is in a better position than it has been in a long time. Long may it continue!

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Re: Melwood academy vs Kirkby academy
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2011, 05:40:43 AM »
Nice read.
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Re: Melwood academy vs Kirkby academy
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2011, 06:57:34 AM »
Good read. Thanks for that.
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Re: Melwood academy vs Kirkby academy
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2011, 07:28:08 AM »
Fantastic post. Very interesting!

It's great that you're able to compare now and then having been part of the academy as a kid, and then doing a dissertation on it a few years ago.

I'm curious, were you able to include certain things about your time there as a kid to make comparisons in your dissertation or was it strictly what you'd learned as a result of your more recent visit?
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Re: Melwood academy vs Kirkby academy
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2011, 07:45:27 AM »
Brilliant read that. I also studied at Edge Hill with the Legendry Graham Smith. However I decided to study Sports Development, whilst obtaining the FA Coaching Badges.

The Kirkby facility is brilliant but, at I've discussed previously, I believe the Acadamy players would be better suited training at Melwood. I understand Kenny has picked some of the youngers players to train at Melwood. This can only help them for the future. The reason I believe their should be more players there is because most children learn from visual & participation issues. Seeing the development of the first team and mixing in that environment would improve their education. I believe this is the problem at grassroots level. Unfortunately due to the cost of going to the match, not many children 'watch' football. They see it on the TV but not understanding how a footballer prepares for a match and importance of understanding space can not be over emphasised. I'm hoping the new/redeveloped stadium has an option of a 'kids area'. Somewhere the children can watch the match for a reduced price.

Anyways was interesting reading that opening post. Hopefully more people have the opportuniy to see Kirkby and Melwood soon.

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Re: Melwood academy vs Kirkby academy
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2011, 08:25:53 AM »
Hi great read.
What was Tranmere like compared to Liverpool?

I think your right about that how some of them think they are pro's already.

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« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2011, 08:35:05 AM »
Brilliant stuff, nice one mate.

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Re: Melwood academy vs Kirkby academy
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2011, 10:23:21 AM »
I went to the Kirkby Academy not long after Athens and it's a fantastic facility one of the coaches remarked to me that the kids there don't realise how good they've got it until they are on loan at division 1 or 2 club generally when it's too late.

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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2011, 10:34:13 AM »
Interesting read, thanks.

On the subject of the kids being seperate from Melwood, if I remember correctly isnt this one of the things that has been mentioned by the owners after meetings with the team when they took over?  I think it was mentioned to them by Stevie or Jamie?

Maybe it is something that they will change in the future.
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« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2011, 11:47:58 AM »
Thanks for posting this, nice memories.

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« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2011, 02:27:23 PM »
Nice input. We nomally don't get to know much about things like that. Thanks for posting.

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Re: Melwood academy vs Kirkby academy
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2011, 02:53:44 PM »
Good read that.

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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2011, 02:56:13 PM »
Thanks for that :)
On a different note, my brother got scouted by both man united and liverpool when he was about 6 (2001 ish) and trained at both academies for 3 or 4 years before getting dropped.
Anyway, the contrast between the training at Liverpool and Utd was huge- at utd it was all ball at the feet and the focus was on keeping the ball, they rarely played any proper games and were all sent home with a list of skills to practice over the week. At Liverpool they would arrive, pass the ball about for 15 minutes and then all be thrown into a big game.
Anyway, apparently the united sessions were very intense and you could tell the players were being technically developed from a very young age, Liverpool's were more 'fun' but just a bit of a kickabout really. Maybe explains why Rafa seemed so shocked at the state of the academy when he arrived.

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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2011, 03:24:44 PM »
I'm curious, were you able to include certain things about your time there as a kid to make comparisons in your dissertation or was it strictly what you'd learned as a result of your more recent visit?

I was going to add a bit in actually, but when I started to write it, it sounded a bit pretentious because it didn't really relate to what I was talking about in the dissertation. It sort of just got to the point were it was like "hey look at me, I played for Liverpool" and I didn't want that. When I was there as a kid, it was totally different. We didn't have any kind of tutoring or anything, because it was mostly just training. I wouldn't say we were actually part of Liverpool FC we just had the chance to be if we performed well. The kids only get the tutoring when they sign onto the YTS. Then they're there for 2 years before they either sign a professional contract or get released. It's a tough business. The guy at the academy told me that according to research, only 1 in 14 million English kids makes it to the premiership. I never saw the actual data for that statement, but I took him at his word. I added a huge part in the dissertation about Ajax's setup and the way they teach their kids aswel. Graham told me to add it because of how good they are at producing players. Obviously I didn't get to visit but, just reading about them is completely different to here. The kids live like monks. They eat, sleep and breathe football and have to memorise different tactics and be able to reproduce them in classes. They never play big games, only small sided ones and they train for 6 hours a day.

Hi great read.
What was Tranmere like compared to Liverpool?


The differences I had to include were just the educational facilities. Tranmere kids on YTS aren't provided with tuition on the grounds. Instead they are sent to a school somewhere within the vicinity of the training ground. Just a normal high school, with other normal kids at it.  The simple reason is that they can't afford it, so they train in the morning and then get on the bus to the school. The classes are separate though from the normal school kids and obviously they are on a generalised path. Then, they have the equivalent of report cards and the teachers fill them out and send them with the kids back to Tranmere so that the coaches can see how they've been performing. Same as Liverpool in terms of punishments.


Interesting read, thanks.

On the subject of the kids being seperate from Melwood, if I remember correctly isnt this one of the things that has been mentioned by the owners after meetings with the team when they took over?  I think it was mentioned to them by Stevie or Jamie?

Maybe it is something that they will change in the future.

Hopefully, I mean it would be good. The only thing I would say is that when I was there, there were literally thousands of kids in all age groups. They really did have alot of kids to look at and train. So if they introduced them to the first team, they would be swamped. As long as I can remember, they have always allowed the YTS kids to be around the first team now and again, which is the perfect age for them to meet the players and give them something to aspire to. I think only when you reach YTS can you really be considered a Liverpool player, because its the first time you sign a contract, which is why they save it until then.
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Re: Melwood academy vs Kirkby academy
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2011, 04:44:00 PM »
Anyway, apparently the united sessions were very intense and you could tell the players were being technically developed from a very young age, Liverpool's were more 'fun' but just a bit of a kickabout really. Maybe explains why Rafa seemed so shocked at the state of the academy when he arrived.

Yep, It seems to have changed at grassroots level alot in the last few years. When I was there we did alot of close control, passing and movement. Then we would do like 5 a side. They would have like 10 games going on at the same time and the winner of game A would play the winner of game B and so on. Then they introduced community coaches to handle the younger kids. The kinds of coaches that didn't even necessarily need qualifications to get the job. I know a few lads who are coaches at Everton now, training young kids and they are shocking players. Like really bad. You don't obviously have to be an amazing player to be a coach, but these lads know nothing about tactics or techniques either (which is where being a player helps). I think for the younger kids they are just in a shop window. The coaches dont need to teach them anything, because they can be handed over to the real coaches when they have been selected to stay.

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« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2011, 01:46:32 AM »
Thanks for posting this!  It was a great read and gave a really great insight into the trials and tribulations. 

As for the kid in the bitter's kit, was that Carragher?  Remember reading that in his autobiography.
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« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2011, 02:24:07 AM »
No mate it wasn't Carragher. The Liverpool, Everton thing splits alot of families in Liverpool so it's not uncommon to find that alot of the kids there supported Everton. Nobody dared to wear the kit apart from that one kid though. After Heighway caught him, nobody after that made the same mistake.
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« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2011, 03:06:20 AM »
Thanks for that. Interesting read.

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« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2011, 05:42:31 AM »
Good read, thanks

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« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2011, 06:55:34 AM »
Sound that mate, very interesting. I hope you're still playing?

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« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2011, 02:11:21 PM »
Sound that mate, very interesting. I hope you're still playing?

Ye mate I am. I'm in America at the moment on a footy scholarship. Came out to Chicago the summer I finished my degree to do some coaching and ended up meeting me bird while I was here. She was just about to start medical school so I had to move over to be with her. Anyways, the only way to get in to the country and be able to stay was to go back to school. So at the moment I'm doing some shit courses, that dont' help me in any way, but I get it for free because of the footy so its alright. Been out here for a about a year and a half (with trips home in between). We're moving home next year though. She was sold on Liverpool after the first visit, so it's good news for me.
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Re: Melwood academy vs Kirkby academy
« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2011, 02:28:11 PM »
So I travelled to Kirkby academy to have a meeting with one of the fellas at Liverpool, who oversees the tutoring of the youth players. Think his name was Dave.
Might have been Dave Shannon, I think he was still around.
I think Martin Kelly was ex Whiston Juniors as well mate.

Good post.  Sounds like the Academy these days has moved on a hell of a lot since the "Centre of Excellence" and YTS days... though sometimes the age ranges seem a bit young, swings and roundabouts though.  Your right about one thing, its not what you can do a lot of the time its who you know.  It used to be if you didnt play for one of the better known youth teams, you didnt really have a sniff of getting a trial... a lot of the scouts were just in it for the prestige they didnt have a clue or could care less.

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« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2011, 02:30:33 PM »


Which league where you in, think you may have been in the same one as me?

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« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2011, 02:35:15 PM »
Really interesting  - thanks
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« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2011, 02:43:08 PM »
Can't remember what it was called to be honest mate . In our league we had Whiston, Rainhill, Pilkingtons (St Helens), Bleak Hill (Eccleston), Eccleston Lane Ends, St Annes Rovers (Huyton), Wilmere Hawks (Widnes) , St James (St Helens), St Aloysius (Huyton), Garswood, Captains Lane and a few more.

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« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2011, 02:48:22 PM »
From here on in its all FSG's doing. Good or bad they will stand or fall by the decisions they have made in the summer of 2012. Lets hope they have gotten it right.

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« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2011, 02:50:12 PM »
Might have been Dave Shannon, I think he was still around.
I think Martin Kelly was ex Whiston Juniors as well mate.

Good post.  Sounds like the Academy these days has moved on a hell of a lot since the "Centre of Excellence" and YTS days... though sometimes the age ranges seem a bit young, swings and roundabouts though.  Your right about one thing, its not what you can do a lot of the time its who you know.  It used to be if you didnt play for one of the better known youth teams, you didnt really have a sniff of getting a trial... a lot of the scouts were just in it for the prestige they didnt have a clue or could care less.

Nah, it wasn't Dave Shannon, I would have recognised him. It was a young lad, he said he had only been there a few years. He was only directly involved in the education side of it. Had nothing to do with the training. I think he was more of a therapist for the young kids. He spoke alot about how he would sit the lads down individually to talk about their schoolwork and future plans, to which they said I'm going to be a footballer, those are my future plans, which is where the part about them thinking they had already made it came in.

You are definitely right about the scouts. I've played with a couple of players, some even at sunday league that should have been pro's (not neccessarily prem, but a pro nonetheless) There was a lad at Edgehill uni when I played for them who was unbelievable. about 6'3 played centre mid, he had the lot. Could pass,shoot,head it, box to box, could tackle, could attack and defend. He could take a game and win it on his own, and he did do a couple of times. He was one of the best I've played with, He ended up taking a scholarship to Bath uni and played for Bath City at the same time. The lad was quality, but haven't heard from him since. It sad sometimes that you see that sort of talent going to waste, just because the scouts didn't really do their job properly. It's all a game of luck.
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« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2011, 03:04:17 PM »
Intresting you should bring this up. I was talking to some bloke at the youth match yesterday, and he was telling me that they are going to close Melwood and move everything to The academy. He said they woul be expanding the fcailities to accommodate this, seemed pretty genuine. Makes sense to me, also kenny seems to spend a lot of time out there.

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« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2011, 03:08:43 PM »
funnily enough, just looked up the lad I was talking about and he was on loan at TNS up until last year from Wrexham and now he's at Telford United

Intresting you should bring this up. I was talking to some bloke at the youth match yesterday, and he was telling me that they are going to close Melwood and move everything to The academy. He said they woul be expanding the fcailities to accommodate this, seemed pretty genuine. Makes sense to me, also kenny seems to spend a lot of time out there.

It makes sense from a business point of view. It would be a shame to see Melwood go though. The place has got such a history, it'd be worth keeping it just because it's about as much of a landmark as Anfield is. The one thing I thought about the academy though is that it's so spread out and open because there are so many pitches. Thats what is nice about Melwood, it's very much enclosed with the houses around it and such.
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Re: Melwood academy vs Kirkby academy
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2011, 03:17:46 PM »
The one thing that does worry me about them being on the same site, is the access allowed to the public. At the moment I can walk in and watch games at Kirkby. Don't think they would allow that if the first team was there.

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Re: Melwood academy vs Kirkby academy
« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2011, 03:23:57 PM »
Ye i noticed that on the way in. Theres not much security going on at the academy. It's good that they allow the public to come and watch, but I think you're right, if the 1st team moved there it would definitely be closed off.

I think the whole thing that Dalglish is doing where the youth kids can be moved up to Melwood if they perform (like Suso and Coady) is priceless and it would be a shame to see that go. It's a Liverpool tradition and it shouldn't really be changed in my opinion, but I suppose business is business.
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Re: Melwood academy vs Kirkby academy
« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2011, 04:30:14 PM »
Can't remember what it was called to be honest mate . In our league we had Whiston, Rainhill, Pilkingtons (St Helens), Bleak Hill (Eccleston), Eccleston Lane Ends, St Annes Rovers (Huyton), Wilmere Hawks (Widnes) , St James (St Helens), St Aloysius (Huyton), Garswood, Captains Lane and a few more.

Who did you play for?

I was in Garswood's team :) we had a cracking team back then. I think we're the same year, I remember we played against Rainhill in the cup final and beat them one nil, O'Donnell was playing centre back for them and we ripped him apart. Was a good standard the league. Didn't we beat you 4-0 at your place once?

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Re: Melwood academy vs Kirkby academy
« Reply #32 on: March 14, 2011, 04:36:14 PM »
I was in Garswood's team :) we had a cracking team back then. I think we're the same year, I remember we played against Rainhill in the cup final and beat them one nil, O'Donnell was playing centre back for them and we ripped him apart. Was a good standard the league. Didn't we beat you 4-0 at your place once?

Not sure that was my year mate. You might have been a year older. I went to Rainhill High so all of my mates played for Rainhill and I don't remember an O'Donnell in their team. I played for SSC Whiston (we became Knowsley South later). Not many teams beat us for a long time, and as far as I can remember we would never have been beaten 4-0. Might well have been though, I have a hard time remembering what happened yesterday, let alone over 10 years ago.
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Re: Melwood academy vs Kirkby academy
« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2011, 04:42:43 PM »
Not sure that was my year mate. You might have been a year older. I went to Rainhill High so all of my mates played for Rainhill and I don't remember an O'Donnell in their team. I played for SSC Whiston (we became Knowsley South later). Not many teams beat us for a long time, and as far as I can remember we would never have been beaten 4-0. Might well have been though, I have a hard time remembering what happened yesterday, let alone over 10 years ago.

Ah right, i'm Aug 86, so maybe the year older. I only remember him cos he was with Liverpool at the time and now plays for Stockport.

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Re: Melwood academy vs Kirkby academy
« Reply #34 on: March 14, 2011, 05:35:30 PM »
Ah right, i'm Aug 86, so maybe the year older. I only remember him cos he was with Liverpool at the time and now plays for Stockport.

I'm April 87 so I would have been the year younger. Never knew that about him, might have a look see on Stockports website, and see if I recognise him.
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Re: Melwood academy vs Kirkby academy
« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2011, 10:07:22 AM »
Thanks for that :)
On a different note, my brother got scouted by both man united and liverpool when he was about 6 (2001 ish) and trained at both academies for 3 or 4 years before getting dropped.
Anyway, the contrast between the training at Liverpool and Utd was huge- at utd it was all ball at the feet and the focus was on keeping the ball, they rarely played any proper games and were all sent home with a list of skills to practice over the week. At Liverpool they would arrive, pass the ball about for 15 minutes and then all be thrown into a big game.
Anyway, apparently the united sessions were very intense and you could tell the players were being technically developed from a very young age, Liverpool's were more 'fun' but just a bit of a kickabout really. Maybe explains why Rafa seemed so shocked at the state of the academy when he arrived.
I wonder whether that has always been the Mancs philosophy (perhaps since the ole dictator got all the power). Their team is essentially based on players who are technically very good firts. Second, they are all very fast with the ball. Third, and that is their bonus, all of them are either robust, or physically big, AND mean and nasty.  In terms of tactics, there is not any sophistication. The skills and pace of the players dictate the tactics.