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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5920 on: April 14, 2012, 06:17:59 PM »
i thought he was great in the 1st half with his choice of passes, made some good forward passes and switches of play and kept it moving, most of the time he chose the right option. Did well second half in my view too

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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5921 on: April 14, 2012, 06:19:32 PM »
We still ideally need someone better than him as back-up to Lucas if we are hoping to challenge for Top 4 and beyond.

Everton are an average team, it will be against Spurs or Chelsea in the Final where he will have to seriously step it up.

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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5922 on: April 14, 2012, 07:05:37 PM »
He was woeful today and way out of his depth.

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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5923 on: April 14, 2012, 08:35:59 PM »
His consistency is immense. His level of performance is always at the same level.

I've felt for him at times this season as for me it looked like he's playing a disciplined role in the middle on his own, while the other central midfielders have drifted forward and left him to chase everything.

To have someone in the squad who can pritty much guarantee you a level of performance and have passion for the club is what championship winning squads need.
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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5924 on: April 14, 2012, 08:42:16 PM »
Fellaini largely dominated our midfield today.

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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5925 on: April 14, 2012, 08:46:41 PM »
Very solid squad player we're blessed to have. Did a lot of the donkey work that Gerrard goes missing for but hasn't a fraction of the class that Stevie has. Basically a good lad in my opinion.

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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5926 on: April 14, 2012, 08:48:13 PM »
he will make way for Lucas but doesnt let us down he isnt the most gifted player in our squad but never shirks a tackle or hard work
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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5927 on: April 14, 2012, 09:52:51 PM »
Listened on the radio and it sounded like he did well. Dictated tempo and nothing came through the middle for Everton at all. And he looked decent in the highlights - needs to stop spooning shots though.
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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5928 on: April 14, 2012, 09:57:41 PM »
Loses all semblance of technical ability when attempting to shoot or play the key pass for some reason. Decent option to have, far from ideal for him to have played so much this season, but that couldn't be avoided from November to January and February to now

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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5929 on: April 14, 2012, 10:10:20 PM »
Loses all semblance of technical ability when attempting to shoot or play the key pass for some reason. Decent option to have, far from ideal for him to have played so much this season, but that couldn't be avoided from November to January and February to now

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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5930 on: April 14, 2012, 10:11:19 PM »
Was I the only one completely infuriated by his performance today? His positional awareness is absolutely shocking and for a defensive midfield gets caught out forward a lot. Quite a few times today Cahill or Fellaini was attacking our box and he was BEHIND them. One moment in particular, Cahill was attacking our 18 yard box, and Spearing (and Gerrard to be fair) were just jogging back. From every point of view, we miss Lucas.

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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5931 on: April 14, 2012, 10:13:33 PM »
Spearing isn't a playmaker. He isn;t a striker. His job is the same as Lucas, when you accept him in that role you'll appreciate how effective he is.

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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5932 on: April 14, 2012, 10:13:46 PM »
Was I the only one completely infuriated by his performance today? His positional awareness is absolutely shocking and for a defensive midfield gets caught out forward a lot. Quite a few times today Cahill or Fellaini was attacking our box and he was BEHIND them. One moment in particular, Cahill was attacking our 18 yard box, and Spearing (and Gerrard to be fair) were just jogging back. From every point of view, we miss Lucas.

The trouble is that he's not a defensive midfielder, in the anchoring sense that you get from Lucas. He's a far better advanced destroying type - but he's the closest to the role we have.
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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5933 on: April 14, 2012, 10:28:59 PM »
He worked hard and was definitely needed, but I was a bit disappointed with his two opportunities to massively influence the game. The shot was very poor after a beautiful set up for him (though it's not so bad as it really isn't something he gets to try that often I suppose) but the missed pass to put Suarez through was shocking, and it isn't as though he hadn't the time or was under particular pressure, or that between Suarez, their defenders and his own positioning he hadn't been offered a channel the size of the M25 to put it through. He can't quite do what Lucas does for the team (which is fair enough), and he can't dominate midfields with monsters like Fellaini in them, but he is useful and a good player—but it means that he really must do better in situations such as that if he wants to be in with a shout of playing regularly for us when Lucas is available or after another transfer window or two. Given the overall consistency and vigour and general usefulness of his play, I think that those are the sort of moments that are going to be the difference between him being a very fine midfielder for us, or for someone else who either starts regularly or is often called on, and him being a squad player of the type that is used only when injuries dictate.

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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5934 on: April 14, 2012, 11:10:52 PM »
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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5935 on: April 14, 2012, 11:20:29 PM »
He's better for us than Charlie Adam at least
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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5936 on: April 15, 2012, 04:54:53 AM »
Squad player. That's pretty much it. Some dodgy passing and positioning doesn't help despite fact he is only subbing for Lucas.

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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5937 on: April 15, 2012, 05:30:19 AM »
True on both counts - he's better than Adam as a whole and he's a squad player at best

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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5938 on: April 15, 2012, 05:51:23 AM »
hes very poor going forward I think, too often plays the safe pass backwards rater then looking to move the ball further forward. not expecting 40 yard cross field passes but just needs to keep the teams momentum going, a short pass like Lucas would often do but in the right direction.

But that's his job, keep things moving and allow the players in front of him to take the risks. Pass and move and he does it well and with great energy

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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5939 on: April 15, 2012, 10:57:56 AM »
Spearing isn't a playmaker. He isn;t a striker. His job is the same as Lucas, when you accept him in that role you'll appreciate how effective he is.

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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5940 on: April 15, 2012, 11:25:42 AM »
Jay was average today, which is better than some. Felliani made him look ordinary and physically off the pace - but that's what a 6'4" 15 million pound central midfielder should do; no shame in it - the cheating bugger was the best midfielder on display on both sides.

That said Jay was industrious, and did his job to an alright level. His bustling about and simple passing was what allowed us to press later in the game. Frankly, I shudder to think at how we'd have struggled with Adam in there instead of him.
That sums up the gulf though doesn't it? Fellaini is a pretty good player, and Spearing certainly isn't bad, but Fellaini's been made to look like an absolute joke every time he's come up against Lucas.
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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5941 on: April 15, 2012, 11:30:46 AM »
I think jay will be with us for the rest of his career. An honest player who puts in a shift and can be depended on when the first choice midfielder is unavailable.

A bit like Nicky Butt was for the mancs.
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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5942 on: April 15, 2012, 11:57:09 AM »
I've always thought he played best when partnered with Lucas, rather than playing in place of him. To use popular terminology, Spearing seems more of a 'second volante' - a player who can win the ball but whose primary attacking role is to knit together the defence and the attack by playing quick passes. It would be nice if he could learn the Lucas role and develop his positioning and interceptions.

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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5943 on: April 15, 2012, 11:59:59 AM »
what sets the great apart from the good defensive players is positioning and that comes with reading of the game. This is the biggest aspect that's lacking imho. The good thing is, such skills can be taught. The concern is, if we have coaches good enough to improve him.

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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5944 on: April 15, 2012, 12:05:58 PM »
That sums up the gulf though doesn't it? Fellaini is a pretty good player, and Spearing certainly isn't bad, but Fellaini's been made to look like an absolute joke every time he's come up against Lucas.

Spot on mate. Lucas is immense and any player who tries to match up to him will come off second best - just ask Ya Ya Toure! Spearing is an honest pro with major limitations. His 'pass' to Suarez that left Luis despairing was a cameo of the problem. He's busy, tries hard and wants to win, it's just that he hasn't got top drawer technical ability or what we now call 'game intelligence'. If he stays with us for a few more years fine, I just think he'd be better off forging a career at a club where he'd get a lot more games and enable him to improve on the ability he's got.

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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5945 on: April 15, 2012, 02:10:39 PM »
Spot on mate. Lucas is immense and any player who tries to match up to him will come off second best - just ask Ya Ya Toure! Spearing is an honest pro with major limitations. His 'pass' to Suarez that left Luis despairing was a cameo of the problem.

Bit harsh this, it's just a bad pass and not indicative. He also laid a perfect pass on for Downing to cross for Carroll in the first half and in fact an early ball over the top to Suarez that was offside. One pass isn't going to define a player.
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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5946 on: April 15, 2012, 02:26:06 PM »
what sets the great apart from the good defensive players is positioning and that comes with reading of the game. This is the biggest aspect that's lacking imho. The good thing is, such skills can be taught. The concern is, if we have coaches good enough to improve him.

Would you say so? I'd say positioning is a hard thing to 'teach'. Some players just understand the game, and know where to be and at what time. Others less so but make up for it in technical ability.

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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5947 on: April 15, 2012, 02:43:18 PM »
he was much better than Henderson to be honest
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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5948 on: April 15, 2012, 02:58:32 PM »
Not sure what some of you are posting in here but everybody in the surrounding are at the match appreciated what Jay did yesterday. He isn't the most gifted player in the squad but he did a lot of donkey work yesterday that allowed people to push further up the pitch in the second half. It's also not about winning every ball you challenge for or beating people in the air, What jay guarantees us is that any player that enter his area of the pitch will be hassled and competed with. That isn't always enough against the top teams who will simply play around him but against the likes of Everton it works very well.

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« Reply #5949 on: April 15, 2012, 07:30:31 PM »
Would you say so? I'd say positioning is a hard thing to 'teach'. Some players just understand the game, and know where to be and at what time. Others less so but make up for it in technical ability.

It is something that can definitely be taught. Thats what separate Rafa, Guardiola from the also rans.

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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5950 on: April 15, 2012, 07:49:55 PM »
I think jay will be with us for the rest of his career. An honest player who puts in a shift and can be depended on when the first choice midfielder is unavailable.

A bit like Nicky Butt was for the mancs.
He's nowhere near as good as Butt. He isn't good enough to act as a replacement for Lucas who is our most important and strongest midfield player. The gap is too big and we need someone else in there who can play with/without Lucas. Fellani bullied him and Gerrard yesterday and we didn't really get near him. Indeed, Fellaini would be a very good signing for us.

Jay is a decent little player who could be useful in the UEFA Cup or the odd League game but he has had to play way too many this season.

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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5951 on: April 15, 2012, 08:00:47 PM »
He's nowhere near as good as Butt. He isn't good enough to act as a replacement for Lucas who is our most important and strongest midfield player. The gap is too big and we need someone else in there who can play with/without Lucas. Fellani bullied him and Gerrard yesterday and we didn't really get near him. Indeed, Fellaini would be a very good signing for us.

Jay is a decent little player who could be useful in the UEFA Cup or the odd League game but he has had to play way too many this season.
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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5952 on: April 15, 2012, 08:09:53 PM »
Decent squad player but on the 1st half we had no control of midfield and Spearing was running around a bit aimlessly. He improved second half but if you notice Gerrard played deeper than Spearing second half and took control of the game. Spearing still misplaced passes but did a lot of running defensively - still given Gerrard played deeper I think Henderson would have been better in the middle. If we stick with 2 up front we need a really good midfield with CMs who can go forward and back...don't think Spearing is  quite good enough.

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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5953 on: April 15, 2012, 08:13:52 PM »
I think jay will be with us for the rest of his career. An honest player who puts in a shift and can be depended on when the first choice midfielder is unavailable.

A bit like Nicky Butt was for the mancs.

Would be great if he could contribute in a similar way. Spearing's biggest quality is his desire - we can rely on him to give 100 per cent.

PS people should encourage him. I don't like some of the negative comments on here. Jay is still inexperienced and will continue to develop through game time
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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5954 on: April 20, 2012, 10:44:05 PM »
Great little interview with Spearing this. Got to admire his mentality. Quite long though.

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Liverpool-Jay-Spearing-interview-Stuff-of-dreams-go-from-being-written-off-as-too-small-to-key-cog-in-team-article893027.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

It seems hard to comprehend, but Jay Spearing once marked Andy Carroll in the semi finals of the FA Youth Cup.

Impossible odds you would imagine, but then the young Liverpool midfielder is well used to overcoming even the most insurmountable of problems in a career that has already had as many huge obstacles as the Grand National.

He is 5ft 6in tall (in his boots!), and yet he played central defence for the Reds from the age of nine through to 17.

Logic dictates it could never be his position, but there was enough natural talent to allow him to superbly control Carroll in that semi - despite almost a foot difference in height - and take his side through to a final triumph over Manchester United. It is almost a metaphor for his life.

Just before he was to make the step up to senior level, he broke his leg and a fledgling career seemed over before it started.

Six of his team-mates went up to the reserves, while he stayed at the academy fearing the worst.

Then, he was the innocent kid in the middle of a political battle at Anfield, when youth coach Steve Heighway used his name as an example of how the then manager Rafa Benitez was stunting development of younger players.

Again, his Anfield career was on the line.

Spearing has never played for England at any level, despite captaining Liverpool through the age groups.

Height was the issue.

He didn't make the breakthrough as a teenager as most players are expected to these days, and was sent out on loan to Leicester, apparently as a prelude to a permanent drop down.

He was never seen by the fans as a future star, and despite the faith of the admirable Heighway and now sadly departed Gary Ablett, was never singled out as the next big thing.

Yet at the age of 23, he finds himself now not just a first team regular, but integral to the team, because they have played far better this season when he's in it.

Even he can't pinpoint exactly what has allowed him to overcome those barriers, allowed him to sneak almost under the radar to play for the club he has always supported in an FA Cup semi final at Wembley against Everton of all teams.

Even saying that sentence brings a smile to his face.

"It's incredible, isn't it? The stuff you dream about as a kid. The thing for me at the start of this season was how I could make that step to turn those dreams into a reality isn't it," he explained.

"I don't know if I can really put into words what it is inside me that kept me going even when it looked hopeless for me. But I guess it is just belief. I knew, even at the worst times that if I could keep going, keep driving then I would get a chance, and the rest was up to me."

Nothing has come easy for Spearing. He wasn't a prince waiting to be ordained, like Steven Gerrard was, or an outrageously gifted talent like Robbie Fowler.

Yet he has always had something, as the semi against Everton showed when he dominated midfield.

It was as long ago as 2009 when he first hinted at such talent, when he played in the magnificent 4-0 Champions League demolition of Real Madrid.

But even after that, reality slapped him in the face swiftly.

"I played against Real Madrid, and the very next day I was at Warrington, playing for the reserves. It makes you laugh now, the contrast of that, but they are the things you have to go through, the things that make or break you," he explained.

"There have been so many times since then when I thought I wouldn't get there, I would have to go away and prove elsewhere that I could play at Liverpool's level. But I suppose I've always had that fight within me to keep going no matter what, and it has taken me a long time, but it has paid off."

Maybe it comes from all those years of battling through the rejection his height brought.

When you are automatically dismissed just because you're smaller than everyone else, you need something special to keep going.

"I have always had that height thing. I've never played for England at any level - all the way through, it was about height," he said with something of a smile.

"But I've had it all my life, so it's not exactly new to me. Look at me - I've never been the tallest, have I? People are always asking if it causes a problem, but when you're a kid trying to break through there are always going to be problems and it's how you deal with it.

"That is something I've had against me, but there is nothing I can do about that other than be determined not to let it affect me and find a way to deal with it.

"In my case, I knew I had to be good enough with the ball at my feet to stop it being an issue and that is what I have worked on all through.

"I have that fight within me - I've had to have that! It's helped me keep a positive attitude. When I broke my leg at the academy I was out for nine months and quite a few lads I came through with all got promoted into the senior squads, while I stayed down.

"I really thought my chance had gone, they were going and leaving me behind, and it really hit me. But I have got a strong family behind me, their backing, their confidence and their belief in me kept me going through that time.

"It has taken a long time, but when you are a kid trying to come through at a club the size of Liverpool, there are so many things you have against you. You can get demoralised and lose interest, say it's too difficult and you won't make it.

"But I have always had that desire in myself that I wanted to make it at this level, to play for MY club, the club I have always supported. The only way to get there was to fight with every ounce of everything I had."

It worked eventually.

During Roy Hodgson's brief Anfield reign he was finally given a chance and when Kenny Dalglish took over, Spearing soon found himself given the backing of a Liverpool legend.

"That gave me some belief. Kenny speaks to me every day, and I find that having someone like that putting confidence in me makes me want to go out there every game and prove his judgement correct," he said.

"When I came into the first team squad at the beginning, I was star-struck - I didn't even want to say hello to Steven Gerrard because he was who he was and was someone who I looked up to so much.

"There were the likes of him, Xabi Alonso, Mascherano, Lucas - all world class talents. When you first join that, you don't want to say anything to them, even though you've got to ask for the ball, you think, 'I can't shout at him!'

"You've got to adapt though, because the aim is to get to their level and play alongside them.

"You can't be star-struck for too long, otherwise you won't make it.

"I looked at them, and I thought, what puts them above me? What can I take from them that will get me there? I am still doing that."

Last summer, Spearing sat down with his dad Keith - a big influence in his career - and mapped out where he needed to go this season, after making his breakthrough under Dalglish.

The simple aim was to prove himself capable of playing regularly.

He's done that.

Again, he has answered the questions about him and taken a step to the next level, to the extent that he now admits it would be a huge disappointment if he doesn't start in the FA Cup final, where a year ago he would have been delighted just to be involved.

As it stands, you'd say he is certain of a place.

As always though, a player which such fighting spirit will not rest there.

He has another challenge now, perhaps the biggest of his career so far - he has to become an automatic choice for Liverpool, which is not as easy as it sounds when they can spend millions on world class midfield competition.

"I played in the semi final. I have played in the big games, and that is what I wanted. Now I have got the final to aim for, and I want to play - if I don't play I'll be massively disappointed," he explained.

"That shows where I have come. I still have to go forward though. This summer my target will be different - I have to aim for the next level.

"For me, I think I've made the breakthrough into the squad and proved I can be relied on, but the step up to the next level is to be seen as a player who is in there week in week out, even when the best players are fit.

"I have to prove I am good enough to play alongside Stevie G or Lucas week in week out, not in place of them. I'm under no illusions, they are all qualities players.

"There are those two, Charlie Adam, Jordan, Jonjo - they are all players of incredible quality. It's the challenge though isn't it, to get there."

You wouldn't bet against him doing it, and justifying the faith of the likes of Heighway and youth coaches Dave Shannon and John Owens.

And of Gary Ablett too.

If Spearing becomes the first long term academy success at Anfield since Gerrard, it will be a fitting tribute to a fine man.

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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5955 on: April 20, 2012, 10:47:03 PM »
Spearing isn't a playmaker. He isn;t a striker. His job is the same as Lucas, when you accept him in that role you'll appreciate how effective he is.


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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5956 on: April 20, 2012, 10:55:25 PM »
Good interview just there.

Like Spearing myself. Think he'll only improve too.

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« Reply #5957 on: April 20, 2012, 11:16:53 PM »
Just played Fifa 12 and saw that Spearing has 91 in "jumping".

What the fuck?

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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5958 on: April 21, 2012, 01:58:21 AM »
Just played Fifa 12 and saw that Spearing has 91 in "jumping".

What the fuck?

He beat Yaya Toure in the air once. So there, you swine!

Also this from that Mirror article.

'It seems hard to comprehend, but Jay Spearing once marked Andy Carroll in the semi finals of the FA Youth Cup.

Impossible odds you would imagine, but then the young Liverpool midfielder is well used to overcoming even the most insurmountable of problems in a career that has already had as many huge obstacles as the Grand National.

He is 5ft 6in tall (in his boots!), and yet he played central defence for the Reds from the age of nine through to 17.

Logic dictates it could never be his position, but there was enough natural talent to allow him to superbly control Carroll in that semi - despite almost a foot difference in height - and take his side through to a final triumph over Manchester United. It is almost a metaphor for his life.'

How. How is that even possible.
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I know what you mean. I really wish the Madrid born former Real Vallodolid, Osasuna, Tenerife, Extremadura, Valencia and Inter Milan manager stayed loyal and faithful to a foreign club that sacked him by never managing another club again. Burn him.

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Re: Jay Spearing- Better Late than Never
« Reply #5959 on: April 21, 2012, 02:26:36 AM »
Great little player. People here are quick to point out his inhibitions but we need to remember he is only 23, and it seems an eternity since he joined up with the first team squad in 2008. And he's come way way far since his debut from what I have seen. He does the simple things right, like cover for his other midfielder, and if the player is Steven Gerrard or Charlie Adam, he's got a lot more work to do than what would be asked of a holding midfielder. He passes the ball quickly from side to side and switches play with a long ball from time to time.

Appreciate a hard-working, honest player who fills in everytime he's presented with an opportunity. It is players such as these that played important roles in United's title runs. The likes of O'Shea, Fletcher, Brown.
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