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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #40 on: January 29, 2011, 01:14:29 PM »
These quotes sum it up for me

This. What hurts about Torres is how many times he's spoken about his 'love' for the club, about how great the fans are etc etc. But then he does this?
Thats what stings for me anyway. I always felt that Torres was one of the exceptions in a greedy footballing world (or atleast less of a greedy bastard than most).
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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #41 on: January 29, 2011, 02:26:46 PM »
People are the same with bands and individual members, when the band breaks up or someone goes solo its like a bereavement, the bond is broken, the mirror crack'd. But in reality life flows on.
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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #42 on: January 29, 2011, 02:39:50 PM »
Because we hold, or have in the past held, a deep rooted belief that the players do it for us. That when they pull on the shirt and cross the line they run and jump and kick and get kicked in order to win the game... for us. Yes they get paid well, they always have, but they are doing what they do for the club we all love and since the club is nothing without us the supporters, they are doing it for us; and because we believe that we sing their name and scream and shout and give every ounce of emotion in the beleif that we are helping them win the game... for us.

So when one of them, after giving their best playing years to the cause, in the end get too old and their form dips we feel a sense of sadness and loss and when one of them asks to leave or even leaves through choice we naturally feel a sense of betrayal and all the emotions that go with that feeling.

It's not the leaving of Liverpool... but the wanting to leave Liverpool, that grieves me.
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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #43 on: January 29, 2011, 02:56:07 PM »
the game has changed from 30 years ago regarding loyalty.

i could forgive gerarrd for wanting to go to chelsea before we won the champions league....but certainly not after we just won it.

people can dressi it up to suit themselves but they are in the egyptian river regarding his motives.

always said him not going was a really bad move after that.
him even considering it meant he didnt believe in rafa....
having a plater like that is not a good scenario.

now something somewhere....anti spanish feeling from danny murphy??...obviously triggered a reaction.
if i was torres i would not have been happy at all with the captain and carragher for murphys comments.
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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #44 on: January 29, 2011, 05:48:54 PM »
Because we hold, or have in the past held, a deep rooted belief that the players do it for us. That when they pull on the shirt and cross the line they run and jump and kick and get kicked in order to win the game... for us. Yes they get paid well, they always have, but they are doing what they do for the club we all love and since the club is nothing without us the supporters, they are doing it for us; and because we believe that we sing their name and scream and shout and give every ounce of emotion in the beleif that we are helping them win the game... for us.

So when one of them, after giving their best playing years to the cause, in the end get too old and their form dips we feel a sense of sadness and loss and when one of them asks to leave or even leaves through choice we naturally feel a sense of betrayal and all the emotions that go with that feeling.

It's not the leaving of Liverpool... but the wanting to leave Liverpool, that grieves me.

That line sums up my feelings mate.

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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #45 on: January 29, 2011, 06:25:09 PM »
I feel greatly let down by Torres. Not so long ago he pledge his allegiance to us not to mention that part in his book. Does he think we are idiots, saying one thing today and then the next making a complete 360 degree about turn. If he wanted to join a team that was not our rivals, then I could forgive him but to join Chelsea, thats unforgivable. And to make matters worse, he puts in a transfer request 3 fucking days before the window closes...

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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #46 on: January 29, 2011, 07:03:32 PM »
I think, particularly in regard to Torres, we grew so fond of him because in that first season he made us go wild in so many ways. It wasn't just the goals, the skill etc. - It was the attitude, the pride, the determination and the love for Liverpool as a city and a club. He showed it all and his autobiography speaks of this as well. 08/09 provided even more of the same.

I think what leaves us hurting so much is Torres really appeared to be an individual who prided himself on loyalty, dedication and respect in an age where footballs arrive and leave clubs with such ease and value so little apart from their own wages and image. And we honoured him just as much in so many ways, such as with one of the most recognizable chants in football today. Thus, to have ourselves in the situation we are in now leaves a distinctly foul taste of true betrayal from someone who honestly seemed to try and distance himself from that side of football that most despise. It's not just why we love(d - your choice) him, it's why so many commentators, journalists, analysts and even fans form other clubs like him.

Now he just appears like any other journeyman and I honestly think Torres will reflect on this decision and regret it. He simply won't find the love anywhere else that he found here.
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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #47 on: January 29, 2011, 07:12:22 PM »
Was going to start a new thread, but thought I'd lash it in this as its a similar topic, written last night:

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“Though those that are betrayed do feel the treason sharply, yet the traitor stands in worse case of woe.”

I never knew until this evening that the bard had written about Fernando Torres but there it is, look, perfectly summing up how I feel about the latest instalment of the L4 soap opera.

As I write, the latest news is that Liverpool have rejected the Spaniard’s written transfer request. To type out those words and read them back makes the mind boggle and the stomach churn in a way I have rarely ever felt.

Such is the unbridled adulation enjoyed by the striker from the fans of this club. It was once said that he makes defenders look old and fans feel young and it is completely true. Grown men idolise him as if they were seven years old, or as one t-shirt I have seen put it, he has been ‘turning Kopites gay since 2007’.

The news then that he wants out has, shall we say, not gone down well. On the forums there is a mixture of disbelief, anguish and outright rage. He was supposed to be different, the loyal, humble little lad from the Madrid suburbs, with his modest upbringing and childhood-sweetheart wife. It seems however, that we have been duped and sharply indeed do we feel this treason.

Chelsea? Why? How can he go there? So often he has spoken of his respect for fans and how he could not do anything to hurt them, like joining Real Madrid would the fans of his beloved Atleti, for example. How then can he now want to move to Chelsea?

Let us examine. Chelsea have an ageing squad and are having a poor season. There is no guarantee that they will be in the Champions’ League next season and their fans are simply incomparable with Liverpool’s, with their plastic flags and corporate atmosphere. Liverpool, in the meantime, have new owners, a shiny new record signing to partner him, fans who laud him as a deity and Kenny Dalglish. He stands on the brink of being a club legend and could own the city if he wanted to.

So I ask again, why? How can he leave it so late in the transfer window and be this selfish? Truly, I am astonished.

One poster on the forum Red and White Kop insightfully pointed out that perhaps we are in despair at the potential loss of the Torres ideology, not Torres the football player. If truth be told, his performances for the bulk of the last 18 months have been mediocre. He has been blighted by injury and as such seems to have lost that electrifying burst of pace we used to see. He was also treated terribly by the tactics of Roy Hodgson but true as that may be, it did not go unnoticed by the match going fans that his body language and attitude left much to be desired.

In Utrecht, after an abject Liverpool display, he simply trudged off the field and down the tunnel, not pausing for a single moment to acknowledge the thousands who had travelled abroad at considerable expense to watch him play. This is not the only example and it cannot truthfully be consigned to the Hodgson era. At Old Trafford, he was substituted when we needed a goal, frankly because his effort that day was appalling. Moments before his departure, he declined to chase for a ball that rolled all of three yards from his foot and believe me, 9000 of us noticed and told him what we thought of it.

Not to worry though, just a lovers’ tiff, surely? He scored twice against Wolves and played very well, so clearly Kenny had had a word and sorted his head out.

Sadly not.


We forgave him because we love him. He represents hope and the joy that being a football fan can bring. A 1-0 win thanks to a Torres goal is far better than a 3-0 win without one. A banner on the Kop depicts him standing behind our King Kenny under the legend ‘The King and the Kid’. He is so highly regarded that my generation could claim him as our very own King and the oldies would not laugh us out of the pub.

Should he stay, it remains to be seen what remnants of that love affair could be salvaged. Steven Gerrard once submitted a transfer request so that he might join Chelsea only to change his mind but he was never afforded the same level of acclaim beforehand. In truth, although people like Gerrard, many are not too fussed about him, suggesting that perhaps he never fully recovered from his moment of madness.

But what of Shakespeare’s claim that ‘the traitor stands in worse case of woe’? Well surely it is obvious?

The Kop will mourn his departure but it will not be torn down. Our fans will curse him but we will still be together. My group of friends will lament the whole affair but we will remain friends. No, the real loser here will be Snr. Fernando Jose Torres Sans.

It is he who will become just another mercenary footballer, detached from the people he claims to be so in touch with. It is he who will embark upon the most meteoric fall from favour in the history of England’s most successful football club. It is he who will never feel the intoxicating warmth of the world’s most famous terrace again and it is he who will pass up the chance afforded to so few; to be a true legend at a world famous football club and forever be the byword for a generation of fans. And all for what? A few medals that have been bought by a billionaire owner of a soulless club, in which he played little part? If that is what makes him get out of bed in the morning, so be it but I know which side I am on.

Whichever way this mess ends up being sorted out, it has given me pause for thought. This week I have been working on a piece about rising ticket prices and this coupled with the overriding sentiment that clubs do not really care for us cannot help but make me think, “What is the point in following this stupid game anymore?”

Of course, I’ll keep going. We all will. What is it they say when relationships end? There’s plenty more fish in the sea. It’s not us it’s him. Let’s all comfort eat our weight in chocolate, burn our shirts and rid ourselves of the tyranny of these men!

Nah. I’ve heard Suarez is better than him anyway. Round and around and around we go…
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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #48 on: January 29, 2011, 09:31:32 PM »
I think you can't help but get attached to players who play for your team.

The reason why the Torres thing hurts so much, IMO, is simple.

It's like your bird, who you've been with for 3 and a half years, who you love, who says she loves you back and wouldn't leave you for anyone else, decides so suddenly dump you cos someone richer came along.


I am loads more gutted when a great player leaves our club. And they dont even thieve my CD's.
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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #49 on: January 29, 2011, 10:08:19 PM »
Two stories on Twitter. All a misunderstanding and post Suarez signing he's not going or Any deal involves Anelka.

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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #50 on: January 29, 2011, 11:07:55 PM »
I was attached to Owen and Gerrard and when all that talk happened and Stevie wanted to leave it changed me,I felt betrayed? it was an embarrasment for thinking he'd never think of leaving...I'm even more sceptical of foreign players and Im convinced we'll never get anyone loyal to us again in the modern game.

Judas once known as Michael Owen was the last player I "worship" and we all know how that turned out.
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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #51 on: January 29, 2011, 11:10:20 PM »
Good post. Kenny Dalglish is one of the best examples that footballers aren't just c*nts. What a man he is. You are never in doubt that he's doing it for the club.

I agree on Riise by the way. Not many will do though. Personally he's one of my favourite Liverpool players. Us fans can't really blame the players for their loyalty after how we treated Riise after that own goal.

Couldn't agree more mate. Riise was my favorite player for years while he was here, and no one can argue he gave his all all the time
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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #52 on: January 29, 2011, 11:12:57 PM »
Judas once known as Michael Owen was the last player I "worship" and we all know how that turned out.

Marca website running with this translation of a post on Empire of the Kop

http://www.marca.com/2011/01/29/futbol/futbol_internacional/premier_league/1296309416.html

Wonder if reading this will make any difference to him?
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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #53 on: January 29, 2011, 11:14:47 PM »
I guess I'm lucky, the two people connected with the club that I've loved most in my time were the two that seemed to love the club just as much as me. Rafa and Robbie. I feel desperately sorry for the young kids that have hero worshipped Torres for the past few years, it must be horrible at that age.

I cried when those two left, but at least I knew it wasn't their decision.
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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #54 on: January 29, 2011, 11:16:13 PM »
Judas once known as Michael Owen was the last player I "worship" and we all know how that turned out.

This is worse than what Owen did

gut reaction, just feels much worse

suppose it's the distance between playing for us & joining Mancs, compared to the immediacy of this
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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #55 on: January 29, 2011, 11:20:17 PM »
Judas once known as Michael Owen was the last player I "worship" and we all know how that turned out.

I idolised the man. He was my "Hero" growing up as a kid. He was the first name on the back off my shirt. Then he left us, in the way he did I haven't really had a favourite LFC player since. Then the way Gerrard was about to leave us in 05, he was an other off my childhood favourites. Ever since I haven't felt the same towards players. Maybe because I have grew up from the worshipping stuff, or maybe I don't want to do it, because they might leave.
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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #56 on: January 29, 2011, 11:29:52 PM »
We always have attached ourselves, to be honest, certainly in modern times. I loved King Kev to bits back in the 70's, and couldn't believe it when he wanted out..............but then along came Kenny, which just shows that nobody is irreplaceable. Torres, however, will be an incredibly hard act to follow. This news kept me awake last night, which is quite sad for a married guy with kids, in his mid-late 40's.
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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #57 on: January 29, 2011, 11:33:22 PM »
We are an overly emotional club, during good times it makes them that much sweeter, during the bad times that much bitter. I think its what makes us different to other clubs, sometimes it holds us back but I wouldn't change it if I could

This. Like to think we are different from other clubs. We welcome new players and give them all the chances to prove themselves to us (YES even Mr Konchesky & Poulsen and other 'shite' players we have had).We worship our legends and love the players who are passionate and give the best for the club even those who only end up being cult favorites like Igor :P.I really think us fans are more connected to our club more than most other fans. Its nice!. Which is why it hurts more when a fan favorite does something we never contemplated (or ever imagined).


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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #58 on: January 29, 2011, 11:38:09 PM »
Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?

because we need to . We 'attach' to those who we love when really love should set us (and them) free.

It stems form being children loving and needing our parents yet inevitably being let down. We spend the rest of our lives looking seeking to fullfill this need. God help poor Kenny . The perfect father to a million liverpool children.

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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #59 on: January 29, 2011, 11:44:31 PM »
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Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?


Because we're soft.

Because we've been spoiled in the past with individuals who paid us back our devotion in full without letting us down.

Because we forget a truth we should probably observe more - idol worshipping individual players leads to dissapointment - the only idol that should be worshipped is the club, Liverpool FC


 

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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #60 on: January 29, 2011, 11:52:28 PM »


Because we're soft.

Because we've been spoiled in the past with individuals who paid us back our devotion in full without letting us down.

Because we forget a truth we should probably observe more - idol worshipping individual players leads to dissapointment - the only idol that should be worshipped is the club, Liverpool FC


 

"You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth."

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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #61 on: January 29, 2011, 11:56:03 PM »
"You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth."

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Fowler didn't say this ;)
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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #62 on: January 30, 2011, 12:00:46 AM »
Fowler didn't say this ;)

but he did say this

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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #63 on: January 30, 2011, 12:03:48 AM »
It's part of mans desire to be part of a tribe.

Football club = tribe
Football player = tribe heros

It's only logical that people will idolize those individuals who bring glory to the tribe.

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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #64 on: January 30, 2011, 12:07:12 AM »
I attached meself to Heighway. Got run over
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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #65 on: January 30, 2011, 12:10:25 AM »
"It is he who will become just another mercenary footballer, detached from the people he claims to be so in touch with. It is he who will embark upon the most meteoric fall from favour in the history of England’s most successful football club. It is he who will never feel the intoxicating warmth of the world’s most famous terrace again and it is he who will pass up the chance afforded to so few; to be a true legend at a world famous football club and forever be the byword for a generation of fans. And all for what? A few medals that have been bought by a billionaire owner of a soulless club, in which he played little part? If that is what makes him get out of bed in the morning, so be it but I know which side I am on."

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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #66 on: January 30, 2011, 12:10:58 AM »
When I was younger I had my heroes - first it was The King, then Digger & lastly Robbie.

As I've gotten older, however, my overall appreciation of the club / history / manager / tactics etc has grown & I found that I no longer idolised any particular individual.  At the same time football was changing - it was now big business & I came to accept that hard cash had changed the footballing landscape forever.

I still retain a soft spot for certain players (Garcia, Alonso, Aurelio) & of the current bunch I have alot of admiration & respect for Pepe but also for Lucas & Agger who Hodgson wanted to flog - thankfully they decided they'd rather stay & fight for their shirts.

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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #67 on: January 30, 2011, 12:13:19 AM »


Because we're soft.

Because we've been spoiled in the past with individuals who paid us back our devotion in full without letting us down.

Because we forget a truth we should probably observe more - idol worshipping individual players leads to dissapointment - the only idol that should be worshipped is the club, Liverpool FC

You're on pretty safe ground by idolising managers though. Like virtually everyone idolises Dalglish, even apart from his playing career. Like a lot of people idolise Benitez. Like xerxes1 idolises Hodgson. These managers represent their supporters' view of what LFC should be.
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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #68 on: January 30, 2011, 12:13:23 AM »
i expect a load of abuse to this, but in response to the subject title.      Why do we let ourselves become attached to a football club.
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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #69 on: January 30, 2011, 12:18:30 AM »
It's because we see those players more often than many other things in life. It's because we see those players more often than other footballers playing for different clubs.

There is one thing we can all agree on: We love Liverpool Football Club. And we see the players every week (or even twice a week) being part of something we love. That's why we're getting attached to them.

It will probably be different for everyone, but I somehow am more emotionally involved watching Nunez play (not that I have seen him recently) than I'd ever be watching Messi (even though he's probably a million times better than Nunez and a million times more important to football in general than Nunez).

I know people don't like Championship Manager on here, but it's the best way I can describe it. I simply can't play it as Liverpool-manager, as I just can NOT sell players that are still with us, no matter how bad they are in the game (or in RL for that matter). Liverpool Football Club is part of my life and at the same time, every player and manager is part of my life, unless they've done something to piss me off (like Hodgson or Itandje). I'll always have a soft spot for everyone that has ever played for us, unless they've massively shafted us like Owen.

It's human nature and you'll get emotionally attached to something that somehow becomes part of your life. After all, that's how soap-operas work... ;)

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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #70 on: January 30, 2011, 12:21:59 AM »
Regardless of what's he's said in the past he is a mercenary, albeit one with slightly more patience than Ashley Cole. We teased him away from his club with promises of trophies just as we are doing with Suarez and Adam now. There is no way that in the interest of the team and the club he can stay although it may be the summer, Chelsea were just trying to get their timing right so they were not involved in a bidding war with City/Real/Barca and Torres's agent will have been part of this because the lower the fee the higher the 'extra/wages' for him and his player. It is about cash maximisation and player replacement now and I am pretty sure LFC have known this for not only a few days but also in some sense for a few months. They won't just be sitting around waiting for Chelsea although they will be expecting the money to go up becayse they know that if they don't get him now then they may be outbid in the summer when others re-join the process.

We shouldn't get too hung up about it, it's modern football life and not too dissimiliar to Keegan in 77 really, I'm still confident that with Suarez and £50m+ we can put together a top team but not sure about the timing. If Torres can stomach playing alongside Terry and Cole in front of fans that have abused him for three years then he'll get what he deserves. I do think he's another potential Owen as he relies a lot on pace and is injury prone so I personally would keep him but if he was on the market I wouldn't spend £50m of LFCs money on him.

The ones I feel sorry for are the kids and the parents with the shirts. Players get image rights for selling shirts and I do think they should re-imburse all those hard up parents who will have to go out next week and get another shirt made because their kids can't wear it anymore, that stinks. Lesson, when you are getting a player's name on a shirt, choose carefully, personally I'd go for Kelly at the moment, cheaper as well.
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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #71 on: January 30, 2011, 12:22:05 AM »
. After all, that's how soap-operas work... ;)

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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #72 on: January 30, 2011, 12:24:35 AM »
I attached meself to Heighway. Got run over


I did the same with Case and ended up in Paraguay
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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #73 on: January 30, 2011, 12:25:34 AM »
Because they are living our dream.

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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #74 on: January 30, 2011, 12:30:01 AM »
owners . rafa . Hodgson . gerrard . dalgleish. chinese government. high court ruling. texan courts. torres.

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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #75 on: January 30, 2011, 12:48:23 AM »
You have to ask yourself who does the club represent? A lot of our fans now are clueless, when they weren't years ago. Many wanted Rafa out, cos deluded they thought a big summer prezzie was coming, and then later hopefully thought "shit I'm a fucking tool" - you won't hear that admitted amongst the thousands of sages though, calling for his head, stupid c*nts. Other fans will wank a player silly if he is from Liverpool and forgive all ills, sucking the sky nob until there is no tomorrow. So if the club is to be truly representative it has to account for those dumb c*nts too - yes? After all, many of our ex-players, all Champions League winning managers themselves, should be ardently listened too and dictate our future; worked well for us since the nineties.

Me? I like big Sami, Jockey, Kenny, Rafa, Peter Robinson, John Smith, Roy Evans, Ronnie Moran; highly critical of Moores, Purslow and G&H, but I don't expect many to have a fucking clue what I'm talking about.
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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #76 on: January 30, 2011, 12:58:23 AM »
It's all part and parcel of being a Liverpool supporter.

Adoration towards a player is something we've always had.

I personally adore Torres. I've done so since witnessing his first goal for us against Chelsea.

To be honest, it's not just us.  Loads of supporters show blind faith to players they worship.
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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #77 on: January 30, 2011, 01:06:58 AM »
There was this kid who got me into soccer. He is a yankees and manc fan and I was a red sox fan so I chose liverpool just to piss him off. He gave me a piece of advice that I never really took to heart: Don't get a jersey with a players name on it because you don't know if they will be with your team forever.

When my girlfriend got me my first pool jersey for my bday I had a choice between the black torres away or a regular home one. I took the regular one.

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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #78 on: January 30, 2011, 01:09:02 AM »
It's all part and parcel of being a Liverpool supporter.

Adoration towards a player is something we've always had.

I personally adore Torres. I've done so since witnessing his first goal for us against Chelsea.

To be honest, it's not just us.  Loads of supporters show blind faith to players they worship.
It's not blind faith and we've suddenly discovered he is an arsehole; he has been loyal, can't believe some of the shit on here. If you're not going to replace Alonso, Masch, if you're going to ignore Reina at the start of last season saying basically what is the fucking point, fire Rafa, hire Roy, if you re-sign again in the Summer when our Scouse captain was hiding behind the England football team for fucks sake when the whole club was rocking....

The man always comes across a good lad, just seems frustrated like most of us.
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Re: Why do we let ourselves become attached to individuals?
« Reply #79 on: January 30, 2011, 01:32:58 AM »
I had a Peter Beardsley bin lid badge. You'll get over it.
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