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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4960 on: January 30, 2011, 11:17:28 PM »
Interesting article, concerns Torres too in that Chelsea never bid for Aguero at all. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...uts/index.html

Atletico fans are worried that a reduced buyout clause could see star Sergio Aguero depart in the summer.
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Miguel-Ángel Gil Marín this past week announced -- and "announced" is the word -- that Real Madrid had offered €45 million ($61M) for Atlético Madrid forward Sergio "El Kun" Aguero. He also said that Chelsea had made a huge €60M ($81M) joint bid for Aguero and Uruguayan center back Diego Godín. But don't worry, he added proudly, we said no. And that was that. That was also pretty much the point.

Soon the story appeared on the BBC in London. And soon after it appeared in the Spanish press, tagged with that favorite line, get-out clause and must be true credibility ticket rolled into one: according to sources in England. The story was made all the more real because it was backed up by quotes that were absolutely categorical. Not just any quotes, either, but quotes from Atlético's chief executive and majority shareholder -- son of the former owner Jesús Gil y Gil. And he should know.

He should indeed know. In fact, he does know. The trouble is, sometimes it's not enough to know what someone said; sometimes it's a good idea to ask why they said it. What exactly do they know? Why did they chose to "reveal" it? And are they telling the truth?

Real Madrid publicly denied that it had made a bid. Chelsea do not publicly comment on transfer stories but privately it denied it too. There was no follow-up, no second bid, no battle. Not yet, anyway.

There was also something not quite right about the claim. Aguero's official buyout clause is €45M. Which begs two questions. One, if his buyout clause is €45M why would you turn down a €45M bid? And two, how could you turn it down? After all, isn't that what a buyout clause is for? If someone offers that amount, you have no choice, right?

Right. And wrong. That's sort of how it works, but not exactly how it works.

Spain's buyout clauses have often been set up as a deterrent -- symbolic, gigantic figures to warn off suitors. Sergio Busquets has just renewed his deal with Barcelona for example and his buyout clause is now €150M ($204M). But they do also have a practical use. They form part of a legal framework and also a gentleman's agreement between clubs. Which is why the price is not always the price. Because clubs are not always gentlemanly about it.

Under the terms of that basic agreement, clubs accepted that another club which paid the buyout clause could sign a player without resistance. If it's €45M, you pay €45M and you take your player, no mess and no fuss. It is, essentially, a price set at which you say you will sell.

But you don't necessarily have to sell at that price; that agreement has a legal foundation that is a little different. At an informal level, the modus operandi has been altered since Real Madrid walked off with Luis Figo for the symbolic but just about manageable figure of 1,000M pesetas. The buyout clause remains, but the application of it is different.

Now most clubs are saying: this is the buyout clause, sure, but if you make a hostile bid, a bid that we do not welcome, we will force you to apply the clause legally. And when you apply the law legally, that is a different issue. When you apply the law legally, it is a different price.

That means one of two things, both of which increase the price. Firstly, it can mean adding the VAT at 18 percent. In the past, clubs have agreed to include VAT in the invoice for a player's transfer (which of course can be claimed back from the state). Now, if the bid is hostile, they will not. In other words, the buying club will have to pay the clause plus the 18 percent. So, Aguero's price rises from €45M to €53.1M ($72M).

The other option is for a club to simply refuse to sell -- until, that is, it is forced to. That's where the legal buyout clause kicks in, Decreto Real 1006/1985. But that decree is exactly what it says it is: a buyout clause. A player (not the club) deposits the money, the value of the buyout clause, at the Spanish league and unilaterally breaks his contract. That money, of course, would be given to him by the buying club in order to buy himself out. The problem is that as soon as that money hits his account it counts as income -- even if it is then deposited elsewhere. And so it is liable to taxation at 44 percent. In other words, the €45M is the amount left after taxation. That is to say that Aguero's overall cost is €80.2M ($109M).

The other factor that's significant is that the buyout clause is a Spanish agreement. When it comes to international transfers -- to bids from aboard like the one supposedly from Chelsea -- it is irrelevant. Except as a symbolic price, a reference point from which you can negotiate.

All of which reinforces Gil Marín's position.

Or appears to. Because the other things buyout clauses offer clubs is protection. In a sense, they are a sleight of hand. Every player has a price, every club too. With or without a clause. When you set a buyout clause, you set a price at which you would sell a player and, just as importantly, you give yourself an excuse. When fans complain that you have let your star go, you simply respond: we couldn't do anything about it, they paid the buyout clause.

And that is the key here. Sergio Aguero recently renewed his contract with Atlético Madrid. In return for doing so, his buyout clause came down from €60M ($80M) to €45M. Fans feared that meant he was making himself more affordable for future clubs; signing a new deal might look like committing yourself to Atlético for longer but, they feared, it was actually a prelude to a departure. The same process had happened before with Fernando Torres.

It is not just about the player. Publicly, the club would never say so but the drop in the buyout clause suits it too. It offers a price -- a more reachable price -- at which other clubs know that they would negotiate while setting that price high and also providing the excuse. The trouble is, some fans started to suspect as much. Some feared that Atlético -- already seemingly in a slow but steady decline -- was preparing the ground for its best player to go.

Which is exactly why Gil Marín spoke out. Who stands to gain when a club loudly announces a huge bid -- and one it has bravely, heroically turned down? The club itself. Gil Marín.

Amid fears that Aguero was going to depart and criticism of the chief executive for preparing that departure, Gil Marín defended himself. He tried to shift any future blame elsewhere and to underline his resolve: if Aguero goes, it will not be our fault, we will fight to keep him until the law says we can fight no more. He tried to rehabilitate himself and his club in the eyes of the fans. Basically, he boasted. If the reaction from the other two clubs involved is anything to go by, it was an empty boast. A lie.

This week Miguel-Ángel Gil Marín did not so much announce that he had turned down huge bids for Sergio Aguero as announce that he will not sell the club's best player. Even though the inescapable reality is that, one day, that is exactly what he will do.


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1CYvez6jz
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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4961 on: January 30, 2011, 11:17:30 PM »
Lots of wishful thinking, mainly.
Same every year, We will sign Adam and perhaps young. going to be a lot of disapointed peeps tomorrow if they think were gonna bring in any superstar players at this short notice thanks to the rent boy wanna be.
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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4962 on: January 30, 2011, 11:17:35 PM »
Soooo.....basically what you've just told us is that we'll be looking to sign Young and Adam tomorrow, and even if we do sell Torres we won't be bothering finding a replacement for him.

That's more or less it, isn't it?

I can see tomorrow being a fucking nightmare to end all nightmares. We'll see Torres, sign Charlie Adam, and then watch Spurs sign Aguero or Llorente.

Yes, I have entered pessimistic as fuck mode.

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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4963 on: January 30, 2011, 11:17:37 PM »
I don't think I will have time to post much tomorrow but what ever I can and when I am off the phone I will do.

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Anything more that 6m for Joe Allen and we have been ripped off.

Loads of Joe allens out there.

I would like to see him stay at Swansea myself and see if he can have another decent season. He is a championship player - players like a championship player.

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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4964 on: January 30, 2011, 11:17:40 PM »
It was looking unlikely, he would have preferred to move to London.

Even though Spurs were in for him ?  I don't believe a word you type personally.

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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4965 on: January 30, 2011, 11:17:40 PM »
would be hilarious if Young and Adam actually turned  good :D


Macedonian_Red will have some great posts to quote like the famous Torres one

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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4966 on: January 30, 2011, 11:17:50 PM »
Right oh mate......




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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4967 on: January 30, 2011, 11:18:15 PM »
Soooo.....basically what you've just told us is that we'll be looking to sign Young and Adam tomorrow, and even if we do sell Torres we won't be bothering finding a replacement for him.

That's more or less it, isn't it?

I can see tomorrow being a fucking nightmare to end all nightmares. We'll see Torres, sign Charlie Adam, and then watch Spurs sign Aguero or Llorente.

Yes, I have entered pessimistic as fuck mode.

And now I've entered pessimistic as fuck mode as well.

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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4968 on: January 30, 2011, 11:18:27 PM »
If we tried to sort this out week, we could have basically signed Suarez, Adam and Giampaolo Pazzini, and had money left over.

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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4969 on: January 30, 2011, 11:18:39 PM »
Good player but not for £27,000,000 what it would take.

You sure it will take £27 mil?  I'm thinking £20 mil haha......but yes, he'll be not worth the money
If Ayre got £25m out of them he's willing to fuck all the female members of my family on Sunday's.

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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4970 on: January 30, 2011, 11:18:57 PM »
I don't think I will have time to post much tomorrow but what ever I can and when I am off the phone I will do.

Make sure we sign Llorente or Aguero

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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4971 on: January 30, 2011, 11:19:00 PM »
The youtube clips of Suarez.
 
He reminds me of....
 
I'm scared to say but...
 
My favorite ever player....
 
Don't shoot me but...
 
The finishing and his stature...
 
It's a bit early Robbie Fowler.
 
It's late, i'm on medication but....
 
I'M STUCK IN A GLASS CASE OF EMOTION.



I actually saw those clips and went a bit further, saying, a cross between Fowler and Maradona!!!!   Haha!  I know.

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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4972 on: January 30, 2011, 11:19:09 PM »
Been told Torres is staying after holding talks with the club today, he will line up against Stoke midweek. My sources are accurate, if you don't believe look through my post history, I mentioned interest in Suarez around November time and people laughed, now he is a red.

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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4973 on: January 30, 2011, 11:19:23 PM »
Banton?

Hasn't looked anything above what we already had in the reserves, and wouldn't do his suspect temperament any good to promote him so soon.
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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4974 on: January 30, 2011, 11:19:24 PM »
Been told Torres is staying after holding talks with the club today, he will line up against Stoke midweek. My sources are accurate, if you don't believe look through my post history, I mentioned interest in Suarez around November time and people laughed, now he is a red.

You also said Poulson is better than Denilson and Gibson

Now i no your talkin shite ;)


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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4975 on: January 30, 2011, 11:19:27 PM »
Does it piss anyone else off when every single transfer speculation article says "[insert club] to swoop for [insert player]"?

"Swoop"? Fucking "swoop"!!!???
We'll be selling Henderson within 3 years and not for a profit, I guarantee it. Bookmark this post, I won't be eating my words.

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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4976 on: January 30, 2011, 11:19:32 PM »
Whatever happens, whoever he is playing for on February 6th, money says Torres will score.
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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4977 on: January 30, 2011, 11:19:33 PM »
Entered?

Never mate, just not my thing. You?
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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4978 on: January 30, 2011, 11:19:33 PM »
You sure it will take £27 mil?  I'm thinking £20 mil haha......but yes, he'll be not worth the money

Spurs bid 25 for him and got rejected. Ashley would probably answer his phone if you left a voice mail saying £27m

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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4979 on: January 30, 2011, 11:19:44 PM »
If this all falls through for Torres tomorrow I wouldn't want to be him walking into Melwood to see the rest of the team.
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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4980 on: January 30, 2011, 11:19:49 PM »
Dj campbell has been good this season.

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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4981 on: January 30, 2011, 11:19:52 PM »
I don't think I will have time to post much tomorrow but what ever I can and when I am off the phone I will do.

TOMMO, any word on if we're in for Llorente?
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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4982 on: January 30, 2011, 11:19:53 PM »
You sure it will take £27 mil?  I'm thinking £20 mil haha......but yes, he'll be not worth the money

Spurs (who else?) had a £23m rejected.

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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4983 on: January 30, 2011, 11:19:53 PM »
lol for every page i read 7 more appear!

anyways, hope Fenway are ready to spring a monumental suprise because the links to players we could sign, 14 pages ago, will not make up for losing the (once) best strker in the world.

not gonna moan and huff untill 11pm tommorah tho. then gonna prepare fer meltdown :D

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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4984 on: January 30, 2011, 11:20:03 PM »
Good player but not for £27,000,000 what it would take.
Think it would take over £30-35m
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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4985 on: January 30, 2011, 11:20:26 PM »
Arry really needs to prioritise

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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4986 on: January 30, 2011, 11:20:32 PM »
Interesting article, concerns Torres too in that Chelsea never bid for Aguero at all. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...uts/index.html

Atletico fans are worried that a reduced buyout clause could see star Sergio Aguero depart in the summer.
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Miguel-Ángel Gil Marín this past week announced -- and "announced" is the word -- that Real Madrid had offered €45 million ($61M) for Atlético Madrid forward Sergio "El Kun" Aguero. He also said that Chelsea had made a huge €60M ($81M) joint bid for Aguero and Uruguayan center back Diego Godín. But don't worry, he added proudly, we said no. And that was that. That was also pretty much the point.

Soon the story appeared on the BBC in London. And soon after it appeared in the Spanish press, tagged with that favorite line, get-out clause and must be true credibility ticket rolled into one: according to sources in England. The story was made all the more real because it was backed up by quotes that were absolutely categorical. Not just any quotes, either, but quotes from Atlético's chief executive and majority shareholder -- son of the former owner Jesús Gil y Gil. And he should know.

He should indeed know. In fact, he does know. The trouble is, sometimes it's not enough to know what someone said; sometimes it's a good idea to ask why they said it. What exactly do they know? Why did they chose to "reveal" it? And are they telling the truth?

Real Madrid publicly denied that it had made a bid. Chelsea do not publicly comment on transfer stories but privately it denied it too. There was no follow-up, no second bid, no battle. Not yet, anyway.

There was also something not quite right about the claim. Aguero's official buyout clause is €45M. Which begs two questions. One, if his buyout clause is €45M why would you turn down a €45M bid? And two, how could you turn it down? After all, isn't that what a buyout clause is for? If someone offers that amount, you have no choice, right?

Right. And wrong. That's sort of how it works, but not exactly how it works.

Spain's buyout clauses have often been set up as a deterrent -- symbolic, gigantic figures to warn off suitors. Sergio Busquets has just renewed his deal with Barcelona for example and his buyout clause is now €150M ($204M). But they do also have a practical use. They form part of a legal framework and also a gentleman's agreement between clubs. Which is why the price is not always the price. Because clubs are not always gentlemanly about it.

Under the terms of that basic agreement, clubs accepted that another club which paid the buyout clause could sign a player without resistance. If it's €45M, you pay €45M and you take your player, no mess and no fuss. It is, essentially, a price set at which you say you will sell.

But you don't necessarily have to sell at that price; that agreement has a legal foundation that is a little different. At an informal level, the modus operandi has been altered since Real Madrid walked off with Luis Figo for the symbolic but just about manageable figure of 1,000M pesetas. The buyout clause remains, but the application of it is different.

Now most clubs are saying: this is the buyout clause, sure, but if you make a hostile bid, a bid that we do not welcome, we will force you to apply the clause legally. And when you apply the law legally, that is a different issue. When you apply the law legally, it is a different price.

That means one of two things, both of which increase the price. Firstly, it can mean adding the VAT at 18 percent. In the past, clubs have agreed to include VAT in the invoice for a player's transfer (which of course can be claimed back from the state). Now, if the bid is hostile, they will not. In other words, the buying club will have to pay the clause plus the 18 percent. So, Aguero's price rises from €45M to €53.1M ($72M).

The other option is for a club to simply refuse to sell -- until, that is, it is forced to. That's where the legal buyout clause kicks in, Decreto Real 1006/1985. But that decree is exactly what it says it is: a buyout clause. A player (not the club) deposits the money, the value of the buyout clause, at the Spanish league and unilaterally breaks his contract. That money, of course, would be given to him by the buying club in order to buy himself out. The problem is that as soon as that money hits his account it counts as income -- even if it is then deposited elsewhere. And so it is liable to taxation at 44 percent. In other words, the €45M is the amount left after taxation. That is to say that Aguero's overall cost is €80.2M ($109M).

The other factor that's significant is that the buyout clause is a Spanish agreement. When it comes to international transfers -- to bids from aboard like the one supposedly from Chelsea -- it is irrelevant. Except as a symbolic price, a reference point from which you can negotiate.

All of which reinforces Gil Marín's position.

Or appears to. Because the other things buyout clauses offer clubs is protection. In a sense, they are a sleight of hand. Every player has a price, every club too. With or without a clause. When you set a buyout clause, you set a price at which you would sell a player and, just as importantly, you give yourself an excuse. When fans complain that you have let your star go, you simply respond: we couldn't do anything about it, they paid the buyout clause.

And that is the key here. Sergio Aguero recently renewed his contract with Atlético Madrid. In return for doing so, his buyout clause came down from €60M ($80M) to €45M. Fans feared that meant he was making himself more affordable for future clubs; signing a new deal might look like committing yourself to Atlético for longer but, they feared, it was actually a prelude to a departure. The same process had happened before with Fernando Torres.

It is not just about the player. Publicly, the club would never say so but the drop in the buyout clause suits it too. It offers a price -- a more reachable price -- at which other clubs know that they would negotiate while setting that price high and also providing the excuse. The trouble is, some fans started to suspect as much. Some feared that Atlético -- already seemingly in a slow but steady decline -- was preparing the ground for its best player to go.

Which is exactly why Gil Marín spoke out. Who stands to gain when a club loudly announces a huge bid -- and one it has bravely, heroically turned down? The club itself. Gil Marín.

Amid fears that Aguero was going to depart and criticism of the chief executive for preparing that departure, Gil Marín defended himself. He tried to shift any future blame elsewhere and to underline his resolve: if Aguero goes, it will not be our fault, we will fight to keep him until the law says we can fight no more. He tried to rehabilitate himself and his club in the eyes of the fans. Basically, he boasted. If the reaction from the other two clubs involved is anything to go by, it was an empty boast. A lie.

This week Miguel-Ángel Gil Marín did not so much announce that he had turned down huge bids for Sergio Aguero as announce that he will not sell the club's best player. Even though the inescapable reality is that, one day, that is exactly what he will do.


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1CYvez6jz


If this is true, it's a no brainer that we could bid on Kun if Torres leaves.......but I don't think it's true
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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4987 on: January 30, 2011, 11:20:39 PM »
Does it piss anyone else off when every single transfer speculation article says "[insert club] to swoop for [insert player]"?

"Swoop"? Fucking "swoop"!!!???

I could understand it if Hodgson was still our manager, the owly sod.

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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4988 on: January 30, 2011, 11:20:51 PM »
Does it piss anyone else off when every single transfer speculation article says "[insert club] to swoop for [insert player]"?

"Swoop"? Fucking "swoop"!!!???

Always imagined a bird coming down and swooping away the player, like each club has their own trained bird to take them away.
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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4989 on: January 30, 2011, 11:20:54 PM »
Think it would take over £30-35m

Ashley would deal for £27m.

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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4990 on: January 30, 2011, 11:21:02 PM »
For those still thinking Torres will stay.... You honestly think a man with that much to lose, would just go around making requests if he didnt know, 100% that Chelsea can make a deal if Liverpool accept it. Also, in what warped world will Liverpool turn down 50 Million, or 45+ Anelka?

With Abramovich, it is, as always, nothing to do with the team, what his manager wants, or what is best for the Club. He wants to make a splash to prove he is still the richest in the Prem, and that is all this is. Keeping up with the Joneses (or Mansours).

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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4991 on: January 30, 2011, 11:21:22 PM »
Liverpool ready to spend £50m as Fernando Torres nears Chelsea move

• Anfield club want Aston Villa's Ashley Young for £18m
• Deals for Luis Suárez and Charlie Adam to be finalised

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jan/30/liverpool-fernando-torres-chelsea
# Andy Hunter and Dominic Fifield
Sunday 30 January 2011 22.31 GMT

Liverpool have lined up a remarkable £50m worth of transfers for deadline day as they prepare for life without Fernando Torres. The plan includes moves for Ashley Young, Charlie Adam and Luis Suárez.

Chelsea are willing to pay cash to bring the disaffected Torres to Stamford Bridge in what would be a record transfer between two British clubs, although not the £50m that Liverpool are seeking, which equates to the release clause in the 26-year-old's contract should the Anfield club fail to qualify for the Champions League this season.

The Premier League champions are reluctant to lose Nicolas Anelka as part of the Torres transfer and the former France international does not wish to return to Anfield. Liverpool are not keen to have the young Chelsea striker Daniel Sturridge included in the deal.

Chelsea were encouraged by reports that Liverpool would consider cash plus Anelka for Torres, seeing that as a sign that Liverpool's owner, Fenway Sports Group, was prepared to sanction the departure of the club's leading scorer. Liverpool, however, maintain that Torres is not for sale and they spent yesterday trying to convince the centre-forward that their plans tally with his ambitions; ambitions he feels have been undermined by a lack of spending on top-class players in recent years and which resulted in his official transfer request on Friday.

Torres returned to Liverpool's training ground today following a short break in Spain and he spent over seven hours at Melwood, accompanied by his representatives. He also trained for the first time since stunning Kenny Dalglish and the Liverpool squad with the timing of his transfer request, but he did so alone.

Chelsea have yet to agree a fee with Liverpool over the player whom Roman Abramovich hopes will revitalise their title defence and enhance his chances of bringing the Champions League trophy to London. Negotiations will continue on deadline day, with Chelsea hopeful that Liverpool's asking price will drop to as low as £37m as 11pm approaches, although that appears unlikely. A £35m bid was rejected out of hand by FSG on Thursday and Liverpool's owner views the signing of Suárez as a way to provide support for Torres, not to name his replacement.

Despite Liverpool's official stance on Torres they have made preparations to rebuild in the event of his departure, whether that takes place tomorrow or in the summer. A £22.8m fee was agreed with Ajax for Suárez on Friday, with Liverpool having raised their offer by £10m, and the Uruguay international will finalise the transfer tomorrow having passed a medical and agreed personal terms over the weekend.

Liverpool are also expected to return to Blackpool with an offer for Adam that could rise to £10m as they attempt to conclude a protracted and contentious transfer of the Scotland international. Adam, like Torres, has had a transfer request rejected by his current employers but he hopes that Liverpool's third and final bid – they have failed with a £4m offer and a £6.5m offer that was submitted on Friday – will convince Blackpool to sell, at the risk of their Premier League survival.

The Anfield club have not given up hope of buying Young from Aston Villa although their hopes of signing the England international for a fee of around £18m are remote and Young may in any case only be a back-up, in the event that Torres leaves.

John W Henry, Liverpool's principal owner, is believed to have called his compatriot and opposite number at Villa Park, Randy Lerner, at the weekend to enquire about Young's availability. He was informed that the Midlanders have no intention of selling their prize asset during this transfer window.

Chelsea are still engaged in the pursuit of the Benfica defender David Luiz and will attempt to complete a £25.5m deal for the Brazilian today. The deal for Luiz faltered on Friday, when Benfica announced that they had been unable to reach agreement over how the £25.5m fee would be paid. There were no further negotiations over the weekend but Chelsea intend to make a revised offer in order to bolster their defensive options.

The Chelsea manager, Carlo Ancelotti, refused to discuss potential new signings following his side's FA Cup draw at Everton on Saturday, and claimed he would not be troubled by a failure to add to his squad this month.

"We won the double last year with these players and we will try to do the same this year with the same players," the Italian said.
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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4992 on: January 30, 2011, 11:21:26 PM »
just read your history it was this month, why lie

To be fair to the guy, if you look through his posts, you will find he did mention Suarez as a possible target in November. Doesn't necessarily validate his claims, but he did mention him in November as well.

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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4993 on: January 30, 2011, 11:21:35 PM »
Never mate, just not my thing. You?
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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4994 on: January 30, 2011, 11:21:37 PM »
Maybe should have said striker instead of forward and Suarez aint a striker.

He can and has played in all the forward positions including as a striker. At the end of the day as long as he gets goals for us that is all we need to worry about.
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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4995 on: January 30, 2011, 11:21:38 PM »
Spurs bid 25 for him and got rejected. Ashley would probably answer his phone if you left a voice mail saying £27m

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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4996 on: January 30, 2011, 11:22:08 PM »
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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4997 on: January 30, 2011, 11:22:15 PM »
just read your history it was this month, why lie
I read it myself, he mentioned Suarez on November 1st.
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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4998 on: January 30, 2011, 11:23:45 PM »
No offense, I do like Young but I don't think he's the right player for us (at least not now).  Too short and doesn't play centre forward - which needs to be filled when Torres leaves.
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Re: Hypothetically, if Torres was set to leave...
« Reply #4999 on: January 30, 2011, 11:24:09 PM »
For those still thinking Torres will stay.... You honestly think a man with that much to lose, would just go around making requests if he didnt know, 100% that Chelsea can make a deal if Liverpool accept it. Also, in what warped world will Liverpool turn down 50 Million, or 45+ Anelka?

With Abramovich, it is, as always, nothing to do with the team, what his manager wants, or what is best for the Club. He wants to make a splash to prove he is still the richest in the Prem, and that is all this is. Keeping up with the Joneses (or Mansours).

Don't think he'll stay to be honest it's just a question of whether Abramovich will stump up the cash. Can't see us bowing down to less money this late in the day. If Abramovich doesn't up the money then he's stuck. Anelka won't come so cash plus player won't work as we don't want Sturridge.
Like I said I wouldn't want to be Torres is he is forced to stay as I have it on good authority that there are two scousers that would like nothing more then to see him pounded into none existence.
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