Topic: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here

[supaerheraw]

Obviously you're not trying to suggest it's a valid excuse but in any event i'd point out that those European ties usually involved trips to various places over Europe.

Anyway, i'd be more inclined to accept the tiredness excuses if we actually won the other games.   Our form as been abysmal so it's clear that tiredness is simply the tip of the iceberg in terms of our problems.  Which is why i think it's weak sauce from Kenny using that excuse in any capacity.

Kenny even said in the preview that tiredness wasn't an issue. I think he just didn't know what to say.

[The_Nomad]

Everybody talks about this mythical 20-25 goals a season striker that we're missing. Well, until quite recently we used to have those. But we never won the league with any of them in the team. They are just as prone to injury as the next man and if we design our team and tactics such that we're unable to compete without said striker, we're in huge trouble.

I'm just saying that a lot of people seem to pinning our top 4 hopes on this "prolific striker". I don't have stats to back me up but in a team like Man Utd, what percentage of their goals are scored by their main striker? I think the goals there come from various players in the attacking third. Maybe that's the way to go.

[jDJ]

Everybody talks about this mythical 20-25 goals a season striker that we're missing. Well, until quite recently we used to have those. But we never won the league with any of them in the team. They are just as prone to injury as the next man and if we design our team and tactics such that we're unable to compete without said striker, we're in huge trouble.

I'm just saying that a lot of people seem to pinning our top 4 hopes on this "prolific striker". I don't have stats to back me up but in a team like Man Utd, what percentage of their goals are scored by their main striker? I think the goals there come from various players in the attacking third. Maybe that's the way to go.

With our 20-25 goal a season striker we did challenge for the title and reach the latter stages of the champions league.  I agree with your overall point though, the scoring burden should be shared.  It's very unlikely we're going to see 20 goals from Stevie in a season again and like you say, what happens when said striker gets injured, do we just turn sh1t for a while.  I remember punching the air in 09/10 when I heard Rooney was out for about six weeks, I remember thinking how reliant they were on him and how they were nothing without him.  In the time he was out, they won every game.  Every single one.  Of the players we bought in the summer, it's difficult to see where the goals are coming from, only charlie Adam has any sort of goal scoring pedigree.  It makes the decision to freeze out Maxi all the more baffling.  Kenny, I think, just doesn't rate the guy - it took injuries and hatricks to get him involved at the back end of last season and hasn't really had a sniff this.  Strange when considering scoring goals has been our problem and he's one of the few midfielders on our books who has got into double figures regularly in a season throughout his career. 

[buzzing]

Still needs time but "tired" is a BS excuse when we had players on the bench that could have stepped in

[Shanks1965]

Everybody talks about this mythical 20-25 goals a season striker that we're missing. Well, until quite recently we used to have those. But we never won the league with any of them in the team. They are just as prone to injury as the next man and if we design our team and tactics such that we're unable to compete without said striker, we're in huge trouble.

I'm just saying that a lot of people seem to pinning our top 4 hopes on this "prolific striker". I don't have stats to back me up but in a team like Man Utd, what percentage of their goals are scored by their main striker? I think the goals there come from various players in the attacking third. Maybe that's the way to go.

What was mythical about Ian Rush, Robbie Fowler and Michael Owen?

[mtred1984]

Everybody talks about this mythical 20-25 goals a season striker that we're missing. Well, until quite recently we used to have those. But we never won the league with any of them in the team. They are just as prone to injury as the next man and if we design our team and tactics such that we're unable to compete without said striker, we're in huge trouble.

I'm just saying that a lot of people seem to pinning our top 4 hopes on this "prolific striker". I don't have stats to back me up but in a team like Man Utd, what percentage of their goals are scored by their main striker? I think the goals there come from various players in the attacking third. Maybe that's the way to go.

To an extent i agree. The goals shouldnt just come from 1 or 2 players. All of the team has to contribute, however, where would arsenal be now if they didnt have van persie. Hes scored 26 of there 61 goals scored. Rooneys scored 20 of 71 hernandez 10 welbeck 7 berbatov 7, ballotelli 11, dzeko 13 and aguero out of 72. Van pierse 26 out of 61. Theres a similar trait forming. The top 3 sides at the moment, a large proportion of there goals are coming from there strikers.

Just found another stat, charlie adam has 11 assists this season. 3rd best in the league this season.

[The_Nomad]

When I typed mythical, I did not mean it literally. Perhaps a wrong choice of word after one too many glasses of vino. We had 'real' 20-25 goals a season strikers recently who when injured, adversely affected the team far more than they should have. I just get afraid when we start pinning our hopes on this one person who's going to start converting all the chances we create. We just don't seem to be very good lately in coping with their absence when it happens.

[The G in Gerrard]

Just found another stat, charlie adam has 11 assists this season. 3rd best in the league this season.

That's not in the league is it

[mtred1984]

I agree with that, we dont just need 1 player to come in and score the goals we need, we need players who can chip in from midfield. Henderson for me, isnt going to get you 5-10 a season, spearing thinks hes playing rugby when he shoots, downing isnt going to, gerrard will get you 10 a season, adam possibly aswell.

Im not even going to talk about Andy donkey Carroll. fuck it. His movement for a forward is fucking shocking

[The_Nomad]

To an extent i agree. The goals shouldnt just come from 1 or 2 players. All of the team has to contribute, however, where would arsenal be now if they didnt have van persie. Hes scored 26 of there 61 goals scored. Rooneys scored 20 of 71 hernandez 10 welbeck 7 berbatov 7, ballotelli 11, dzeko 13 and aguero out of 72. Van pierse 26 out of 61. Theres a similar trait forming. The top 3 sides at the moment, a large proportion of there goals are coming from there strikers.

This point is important. RvP; where Arsenal would be without his scoring heroics is an academic argument. We just won't know. Unlike the 2 Manchester teams who seem to have 3 "front" men who can score goals, we have none. It's no point buying this "world" class striker if we're going to rely primarily on him to get the goals. If we don't have the financial muscle to get more strikers to share the goal scoring reponsibilities, then we need to play a system where the chances fall to other members of the team as well hopefully resulting in more positive outcomes.

[mtred1984]

That's not in the league is it

sure is mate

Silva 14, valencia and adebayor 12, adam and mata 11

[Cracking Left Foot]

Slightly off-topic, but I've just listened to the Guardian's Football Weekly live edition, which they did as a special last night.

Barry Glendenning, well-known wind-up merchant of that parish, was discussing Dalglish and doing the old 'compared to Hodgson' cliche. Now, I had to rewind this to listen to it twice as I couldn't believe he'd actually said it, but here you go, here's why Kenny's not been sacked yet:

"Well, Dalglish has a lot of friends in the media who'll fight his corner for him. Hodgson never had that as Liverpool manager".

Seriously.

[The G in Gerrard]

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sure is mate

Where you find that from because according to ESPN, Adam has 6 league assists. Which makes him joint 14th along with Brunt of West Brom and Ashley Cole to name but two.

[firing squad]

That's not in the league is it

it is, but a couple of own goals are added there too I believe.

[ThepepeReina]

Yano what im sick of, posters continuously posting stuff like walk on or ynwa or through the wind and rain. Yeah we are all in this together, we all support the manager and the players and the club, but we need to do something about it and change something. These posters seem to think il just keep posting little sayings like this, show what a great fan i am, stick my head in the sand and pretend nothings wrong, and everything will some how turn out beautifully. There are big problems at liverpool, and your little sayings dont help.

[smicer07]

Yano what im sick of, posters continuously posting stuff like walk on or ynwa or through the wind and rain. Yeah we are all in this together, we all support the manager and the players and the club, but we need to do something about it and change something. These posters seem to think il just keep posting little sayings like this, show what a great fan i am, stick my head in the sand and pretend nothings wrong, and everything will some how turn out beautifully. There are big problems at liverpool, and your little sayings dont help.

You're right mate, spot on. YNWA means fuck all.

 

How does it go again...? "Walk on, walk on with hope in your heart, and you'll sometimes walk alone if we're not winning everything in sight", ah yeah that's it.

[Laughter is the best medicine...]

"Well, Dalglish has a lot of friends in the media who'll fight his corner for him. Hodgson never had that as Liverpool manager".

did that man ever read his newspaper's embarrassing 10/11 liverpool preview by muppet extrodinaire paul doyle? or is henry winter 'the media' these days, as he's the only one who seems fairly close to kenny

[hide5seek]

What was mythical about Ian Rush, Robbie Fowler and Michael Owen?

Don't think you got him, how many title medals do Fowler and Owen have?

[mtred1984]

Off the fa fantasy premier league thing am on. Just double checked and your right, most sites saying adam 6. Sorry for the mistake  la

[ThepepeReina]

You're right mate, spot on. YNWA means fuck all.

 

No, people use it as some sort of defence against critisim. Someone will say yeh the players arent good enough etc, then someone reply with, well walk on. How is that helping?

[The G in Gerrard]

Off the fa fantasy premier league thing am on. Just double checked and your right, most sites saying adam 6. Sorry for the mistake  la

No worries, I knew he wasn't that good

[smicer07]

No, people use it as some sort of defence against critisim. Someone will say yeh the players arent good enough etc, then someone reply with, well walk on. How is that helping?

Well, how is criticising the team on a forum helping?

[ThepepeReina]

Well, how is criticising the team on a forum helping?

Its constructive. How and where we can improve, things we can change. Then someone gets all upset about someone else questioning kenny and trots out a famous line as a defence. Why not use a counter argument instead?

[ScouserAtHeart]

With our 20-25 goal a season striker we did challenge for the title and reach the latter stages of the champions league.  I agree with your overall point though, the scoring burden should be shared.  It's very unlikely we're going to see 20 goals from Stevie in a season again and like you say, what happens when said striker gets injured, do we just turn sh1t for a while.  I remember punching the air in 09/10 when I heard Rooney was out for about six weeks, I remember thinking how reliant they were on him and how they were nothing without him.  In the time he was out, they won every game.  Every single one.  Of the players we bought in the summer, it's difficult to see where the goals are coming from, only charlie Adam has any sort of goal scoring pedigree.  It makes the decision to freeze out Maxi all the more baffling.  Kenny, I think, just doesn't rate the guy - it took injuries and hatricks to get him involved at the back end of last season and hasn't really had a sniff this.  Strange when considering scoring goals has been our problem and he's one of the few midfielders on our books who has got into double figures regularly in a season throughout his career. 

Have we ever had a striker who's topped the league goal scoring charts in the last 22 years?

[vivabobbygraham]

Yano what im sick of, posters continuously posting stuff like walk on or ynwa or through the wind and rain. Yeah we are all in this together, we all support the manager and the players and the club, but we need to do something about it and change something. These posters seem to think il just keep posting little sayings like this, show what a great fan i am, stick my head in the sand and pretend nothings wrong, and everything will some how turn out beautifully. There are big problems at liverpool, and your little sayings dont help.

Neither will petulant rants like yours. There are not big problems at the club. There are things that can be improved and that takes time. It will not happen tomorrow or this season, maybe not even next but as long as there is progress eventually we will get back to where we once where. Patience is what most of the YNWA'ers preach and that stems from experience of having been witness to these situations before. They know that just changing the manager is not the answer as happened with Rafa; where did that lead us? Stick with what we've got and let the backroom staff get on with it. Analysis, evaluation and what can be done better is for the end of the season. not now. We still have a cup to win.

[smicer07]

Its constructive. How and where we can improve, things we can change. Then someone gets all upset about someone else questioning kenny and trots out a famous line as a defence. Why not use a counter argument instead?

Probably because it goes round and round in circles.

[vivabobbygraham]

Don't think you got him, how many title medals do Fowler and Owen have?

Ah, see what you did there, leaving off Rushy 

[The_Nomad]

Ah, see what you did there, leaving off Rushy 

I'd love to see stats on the Liverpool teams in the 80s and to see how the goals were spread around.

[ChristophLFC]

The winger, who played a pre-season friendly for Liverpool aged just 15 in the summer of 2010, became the club's third-youngest player and looked lively in the brief period he was on the pitch.
But Dalglish stressed he would not have made the squad had it not been for injuries to the likes of Craig Bellamy, who has missed the last four matches.

You just need to draw your horses back a bit," said the Scot.
"He wouldn't have been there if we weren't in the position we were in.
"It is nice to see the kids get a game but it is also better for us to look after them and manage them.
"We are not going to throw kids in and destroy them, but it is nice to see them on the pitch,

so basically i wouldnt get any hopes up of seeing raheem much more this season, if any 

even tho he looked twice the player than anybody we have on the wings

[Red_Rich]

I didn't buy the whole 'players were tired because they'd played three games in a week' line.

Of course not, and Kenny doesn't either.  Just like when Mancini says "I underestimated the oppostion" against Everton and Sporting, he's simply protecting his players.

We all know that the (possible) two FA Cup games are all that really matters from now till the end.

BTW Just watched Sunday Supp and the northern journos were saying Kenny is still the man, and a great bloke, that will take us to where we want to be, while the southern ones were being neg and bleating because Kenny had told them to "get an intelligence check".

Says it all really.

[redandwhitestripes]

No, people use it as some sort of defence against critisim. Someone will say yeh the players arent good enough etc, then someone reply with, well walk on. How is that helping?

i don't think anyone who posts YNWA really wants to help in any way other than remind others and themselves that we are liverpool football club and tough times don't last, or at least hurt less if we stick together. If you can't appreciate the feeling our club motto gives us then i really don't know why you're supporting liverpool, really. if there's anything anyone in the club can be proud of in recent times it's how we've stuck together through all the shit and the bile and WALKED ON. it helps. maybe not in the way you seem to expect a forum post to help (which is what, again, exactly?) but it helps.

hope i answered your question.

[vivabobbygraham]

Of course not, and Kenny doesn't either.  Just like when Mancini says "I underestimated the oppostion" against Everton and Sporting, he's simply protecting his players.

We all know that the (possible) two FA Cup games are all that really matters from now till the end.

BTW Just watched Sunday Supp and the northern journos were saying Kenny is still the man, and a great bloke, that will take us to where we want to be, while the southern ones were being neg and bleating because Kenny had told them to "get an intelligence check".

Says it all really.

Who were the journo's mate?

[ThepepeReina]

i don't think anyone who posts YNWA really wants to help in any way other than remind others and themselves that we are liverpool football club and tough times don't last, or at least hurt less if we stick together. If you can't appreciate the feeling our club motto gives us then i really don't know why you're supporting liverpool, really. if there's anything anyone in the club can be proud of in recent times it's how we've stuck together through all the shit and the bile and WALKED ON. it helps. maybe not in the way you seem to expect a forum post to help (which is what, again, exactly?) but it helps.

hope i answered your question.

I understand that, im well aware of what being a red consists of, having been one from birth and following them home and away, but i seem to be reading it more and more on this site, like if you question the way things are going you arent a real fan. It seems the thing to do to prove what a great fan you are. Ok maybe post it now and then when things are geting out of hand, but its in every single thread!

[koptommy93]

very disappointed with his comments yesterday, there can be no excuses for a performance like that

[The G in Gerrard]

BTW Just watched Sunday Supp and the northern journos were saying Kenny is still the man, and a great bloke, that will take us to where we want to be, while the southern ones were being neg and bleating because Kenny had told them to "get an intelligence check".

Says it all really.

The three of them said Kenny should be there next season.

[Groundskeeper Willie]

Anyone know anything re this quote from Kenny:

Dalglish disagrees ahead of an FA Cup quarter-final tussle with Stoke ­today which he hopes will take the club a step nearer to a second trophy this season.

He said: “I think people should take an intelligence check. It’s not true that you look only at the league table.

Some people I´m discussing with takes this as disrespect to those of our fans that are questioning him.

So does anyone know if this quote is accurate and/or taken out of context? They are from before the Stoke game.

Ok, just read a few posts above mine. So they were aimed at certain journos, am I right?

[CHOPPER]

Anyone know anything re this quote from Kenny:

Dalglish disagrees ahead of an FA Cup quarter-final tussle with Stoke ­today which he hopes will take the club a step nearer to a second trophy this season.

He said: “I think people should take an intelligence check. It’s not true that you look only at the league table.

Some people I´m discussing with takes this as disrespect to those of our fans that are questioning him.

So does anyone know if this quote is accurate and/or taken out of context? They are from before the Stoke game.

Plainly obvious what he's saying, and he's right. We're a work in progress, yes the league is the target, but we have to develop and grow and cup success is an early sign of the shoots of success emerging.

[BCCC]

Yano what im sick of, posters continuously posting stuff like walk on or ynwa or through the wind and rain. Yeah we are all in this together, we all support the manager and the players and the club, but we need to do something about it and change something. These posters seem to think il just keep posting little sayings like this, show what a great fan i am, stick my head in the sand and pretend nothings wrong, and everything will some how turn out beautifully. There are big problems at liverpool, and your little sayings dont help.

Means fuck all that don't understand it.

[And Could He Play]

so basically the match thread has spilled into here.

[liverpooll]

Plainly obvious what he's saying, and he's right. We're a work in progress, yes the league is the target, but we have to develop and grow and cup success is an early sign of the shoots of success emerging.

That is very wrong, I really mean had Hodgson said the same thing, surely you would have said differently.