Topic: Jesús Joaquín Fernández Sáez de la Torre (Suso)

[Kansti]

                   Reina
                   
Glen    Skrtel       Agger    Enrique

          Allen          SahinLucas
                   Suso

  Gerrard    Suarez   Sterling



*cough*

So Lucas is fit already? No?

[jckliew]

Is anyone else frustrated at how one-footed he is?

His left leg is a thing of majesty but his right is a shocker.

remembered a certain Maradona was pretty left footed only player........ 

[TepidT2O]

remembered a certain Maradona was pretty left footed only player........ 

Just imagine how much better he could have been if he'd worked on his right foot more

[pathetic]

I think he looks much better when he's brought on in the second half. I don't think he's that useful when he starts and I'm sure BR will move on to fix this in January (hopefully). He is a very useful sub and a good option to have on the bench. I'm sure it's much more than he could ask for at 18.

[lawrie]

I fear that Suso (and Sterling for that matter) will struggle to take going from involvement in most games to just a few once reinforcements are brought in

[Zlen]

I fear that Suso (and Sterling for that matter) will struggle to take going from involvement in most games to just a few once reinforcements are brought in

Don't think so.
They'll probably still be involved in all league games, just playing more of them as a sub (Suso more then Sterling probably) and will perhaps be starting in a few FA Cup and Europa league games they now likely wouldn't. More, less the same playing time if not more and the club will benefit from having a stronger team to line up for cup and european games and having better subs to use in league matches.

[KirkVanHouten]

I fear that Suso (and Sterling for that matter) will struggle to take going from involvement in most games to just a few once reinforcements are brought in

I think it will have the opposite effect, it will force them to raise their game to reclaim their spot in the team.

[sambhi92]

Think this kid has got a great future ahead of him under BR, he seems to fit his module perfectly, small, good with ball, and can pick a pass, he'll only get better with age and under this manager and spain managers, i think he'll become a great player, maybe not a xavi, but if hes half as good, i'll be more than happy. 

[clinical]

The only worry I have about him not becoming as good as players mentioned on here is that he has a little of Babel about him. Not playing style at all, but the way he drifts in and out of games and you know what he can do sometimes but he just doesn't do it.

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                   Reina
                   
Glen    Skrtel       Agger    Enrique

          Allen          SahinLucas
                   Suso

  Gerrard    Suarez   Sterling



*cough*

Sahin is better than Allen.

[Hank Scorpio]

He's a 15 minute player at the moment, which is completely understandable given his age and experience.

We need to ensure he becomes a 90 minute player.

[B0151?]

He's 18. I think he'd be capable of starting in La Liga and looking good all season, but the Premier League is a little bit more fast paced and physical. (I'm not saying that Prem is better than La Liga btw) He's too talented not to eventually be top quality but right now, because he hasn't got the pace that Sterling does (and is a completely different player altogether), there will be some games that pass him by. It's no coincidence that he looked a cut above in the European game. Every game he does play in though, will help him towards becoming a top quality Prem league player. Just about getting that match-time whilst at the same time not overwhelming him.

[Hank Scorpio]

He's 18. I think he'd be capable of starting in La Liga and looking good all season, but the Premier League is a little bit more fast paced and physical. (I'm not saying that Prem is better than La Liga btw) He's too talented not to eventually be top quality but right now, because he hasn't got the pace that Sterling does (and is a completely different player altogether), there will be some games that pass him by. It's no coincidence that he looked a cut above in the European game. Every game he does play in though, will help him towards becoming a top quality Prem league player. Just about getting that match-time whilst at the same time not overwhelming him.

Agree.

[sminp]

Sahin is better than Allen.

I don't disagree with that but this season Sahin has been poor so I'd have Allen ahead of him at the moment

[JACKO_LFC]

Woahhhhh he's magic, you knowwww, Jesus Fernadez Suso

[OLDIE]

Sahin is better than Allen.

Not from the evidence so far in a red shirt

[vivabobbygraham]

Sahin is better than Allen.

You been watching youtube clips again, mate? Sahin has shown glimpses of his talent but not consistently enough since coming here. He has a long way to go to convince me that he is anywhere near back to his impressive best. Allen, however has done a sterling job since coming to the club largely playing out of position. Your short comment has little substance. Elaborate on what you have seen so far to back it up.

[ryan125]

Sahin is better than Allen.

Different players....Allen has impressed more this season though, and we haven't seen him in his best position yet.

[vivabobbygraham]

Suso, however, is a talent, pure and simple. Does a job the boss asks. When he is given full responsibility of playing between midfield and forwards, the kid is gonna fly. Better than Wilshere now, if that means anything. What's he gonna be like later on this season and next? Scary.

[IndianRed]

Suso, however, is a talent, pure and simple. Does a job the boss asks. When he is given full responsibility of playing between midfield and forwards, the kid is gonna fly. Better than Wilshere now, if that means anything. What's he gonna be like later on this season and next? Scary.

Gotta love RAWK hyperbole. Wilshere already has one full league season under his belt and ran the show against a Barcelona midfield containing Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets when he was Suso's age. Suso may eventually reach Wilshere's level, but currently he is progressing well for us and comparisons like these are unfair to Suso.

[Coolie High]

Suso, however, is a talent, pure and simple. Does a job the boss asks. When he is given full responsibility of playing between midfield and forwards, the kid is gonna fly. Better than Wilshere now, if that means anything. What's he gonna be like later on this season and next? Scary.

Definitely not better than Wilshere is now, potentially has more upside maybe.

[Warks Moustache]

Definitely not better than Wilshere is now, potentially has more upside maybe.

Considering Wilshire has been out for over a year and just got sent off on his full debut, I would say Suso is currently better than Wilshire.

However, Wilshire at his best is a very classy player.

[Coolie High]

Considering Wilshire has been out for over a year and just got sent off on his full debut, I would say Suso is currently better than Wilshire.

However, Wilshire at his best is a very classy player.

Wilshere is the better player right now, there isn't an argument to say otherwise, both of the players performances since Wilshere came back and Suso broke through have been of a similar standard anyways.

[Mr Dilkington]

Wilshere is miles and miles ahead of Suso right now.

[Samee]

Suso, however, is a talent, pure and simple. Does a job the boss asks. When he is given full responsibility of playing between midfield and forwards, the kid is gonna fly. Better than Wilshere now, if that means anything. What's he gonna be like later on this season and next? Scary.

 

[Warks Moustache]

Wilshere is the better player right now, there isn't an argument to say otherwise, both of the players performances since Wilshere came back and Suso broke through have been of a similar standard anyways.

Eh we are arguing margins anyway. I would agree that Wilshire at his best is miles ahead of Suso, but there is no telling what Wilshire is like right now after being a year out of the game.

[trembles97]

Eh we are arguing margins anyway. I would agree that Wilshire at his best is miles ahead of Suso, but there is no telling what Wilshire is like right now after being a year out of the game.

I don't know. Even in the few times he's appeared since he's returned he barely looks like he missed a beat.

[ThisisAnfield96]

remembered a certain Maradona was pretty left footed only player........ 

Erm..

[jooneyisdagod]

Gotta love RAWK hyperbole. Wilshere already has one full league season under his belt and ran the show against a Barcelona midfield containing Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets when he was Suso's age. Suso may eventually reach Wilshere's level, but currently he is progressing well for us and comparisons like these are unfair to Suso.

Different types of players as far as I'm concerned.  Wilshere was always going to be a central midfield player but I have my doubts about Suso ever playing there.  He has done so in the past for Spain U19s and even one or two games in the reserves but I think the club see him as a no.10 of sorts.  Wilshere is a cracking young player but I don't think he is anymore talented than Suso.

[Kovai Red]

It is unfair to both Suso and Wilshere. Wilshere is better player than Suso

[jckliew]

Wiltshere is the English Messi 

[Kopitian]

cole is the english messi.
downing is the english figo.

what other hyperboles in rawk out there.. i remembered reading once on an official site that he'd rather have owen than ronaldo9...

anyways.. wilshere is still streats ahead of suso. Suso definitely has the potential to be as good if not better.

[Malaysian Kopite]

Wiltshere is the English Messi 

Ahem,

[Uhoh AureliOs]

Big Jan on Suso

"SUSO made a big difference when he came on against Chelsea in a central role at Stamford Bridge.

The young Spaniard has great ability – he can hold on to the ball, he can go past players and he sees a pass.

He is different to Raheem Sterling, who is all about pace and taking players on.

Suso is happy to slow it down and allow opposition players to get close. He’s got that bit of arrogance on the ball that you need.

Suso came into the side playing out wide because that’s where there was a gap after Fabio Borini got injured.

But recently he’s had more of an impact playing through the middle and I think that’s where he’s most effective."

Then today Rodgers has said he sees Suso as a no10 and he's going to develop him there (but I'm not putting a link to those quotes because it's a Word Thief "exclusive").

I didn't expect him to get shifted inside so soon, but it's good news for the lad as he's not quite quick enough out wide.

[liverpoolfcmike]

Suso as no. 10. Very interesting. Does this suggest BR is looking at a change in formation? Or is the #10 the most advanced of the middle three?

[Kovai Red]

Suso as no. 10. Very interesting. Does this suggest BR is looking at a change in formation? Or is the #10 the most advanced of the middle three?

Yes.

[Kansti]

Then today Rodgers has said he sees Suso as a no10 and he's going to develop him there (but I'm not putting a link to those quotes because it's a Word Thief "exclusive").

I didn't expect him to get shifted inside so soon, but it's good news for the lad as he's not quite quick enough out wide.

Me neither, and him being more centrally positioned also helps to negate the possibility of him not seeing enough of the ball. May I ask when did BR mention him seeing Suso as a no10?

[Cpt_Reina]

Then today Rodgers has said he sees Suso as a no10 and he's going to develop him there (but I'm not putting a link to those quotes because it's a Word Thief "exclusive").

I didn't expect him to get shifted inside so soon, but it's good news for the lad as he's not quite quick enough out wide.

Suso's rarely impressed 'in the hole' for the ressies so I dont personally see what the rush is to play him there in the seniors.

Personal opinion is that it's because a certain Mr Gerrard will be taking his spot on the right, rather than it being because Suso has staked a claim.

No better way for him to improve there than there is by actually playing in that position, but I wont be expecting him to be all that effective there for a while yet.

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Suso as no. 10. Very interesting. Does this suggest BR is looking at a change in formation? Or is the #10 the most advanced of the middle three?

We don't play a three mate, we play a two. I always thought we played the three but if you saw Rodgers interview after chelsea he actually said along the lines of 'we changed from our usual formation of the 4-2-3-1.'

So it looks like rodgers actually want to play similar to rafa in terms of having two sitting deep and one just off the striker

[gorgepir]

Suso is a Mata/Silva/Xavi type player that needs to play centrally and distribute. Silva and Mata both started out on the wings (and even occasionally play there when needed although they tend to move inside fast) as well.

He is good when the ball at his feet, not so much when it is not. A winger/forward attacker needs to excel without the ball even more so than a number 10. I think this is why Rodgers wants him in a more central role (which he is perfectly suited for).