Author Topic: Roy's Future, and more importantly what happens next. All in here please. (Read 55333 times)

Veinticinco de Mayo · « **on:** January 7, 2011, 08:51:30 AM »

OK folks. It is still the big topic of the day and it needs somewhere to be discussed, so rather than starting loads of new threads lets have it all in here.

First however, the ground rules.

Everybody wants him gone - so posting "Why is he still here?" or "Just go" or anything similar is just a waste of everyone's time. DO NOT DO IT.
Unless you have a good theory backed with evidence that Fenway are doing nothing the DON'T SIMPLY POST THAT EITHER.
And remember just because they have not personally told you what they are doing does not amount to evidence of inactivity.

Any post demanding Roy's immediate removal must be backed up with who you would have immediately take his place and for how long. Managers who are currently unavailable (either through having jobs or being on a cruiseliner in the middle of the Gulf of Oman do not count).

You will have noticed a slight slackening of the reins since the RAWK Editor message about the manager. However the basic rules of decency still apply. Abuse just for the sake of it will not be tolerated.

THINK OF THE SERVER. Nobody wants to see your tired internet meme pic of Darth Vader screaming or Homer or Family Guy or the man typing his hands to stumps. It was funny once.... in 2003. Now grow up.

Repeated violations of the above codes could see Roy outlasting you.

Thomas · « **Reply #1 on:** January 7, 2011, 08:53:29 AM »

Roy to take his pre Man U press conference at 1.30 which would suggest he's very much still in charge.

According to SSN idiot outside Melwood

rossipersiempre · « **Reply #2 on:** January 7, 2011, 08:57:34 AM »

Quote from: Thomas on January 7, 2011, 08:53:29 AM

Roy to take his pre Man U press conference at 1.30 which would suggest he's very much still in charge.

According to SSN idiot outside Melwood

Massive difference from still being in the job and still being very much in charge. I think it's safe to say if he wants to have a piss at half time it requires sign off from Boston.

Veinticinco de Mayo · « **Reply #3 on:** January 7, 2011, 08:58:10 AM »

The latest seems to be that although Roy is indeed "gone" due to the lack of a suitable replacement he will still be "in charge" for the game at Old Trafford.

Kenny is still cruising in the Gulf and I believe he has business interests which would need to be tidied up before he could become our manager.

The only new news at the moment seems to be this quote from Phil Thompson in the Echo:

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But that said Roy has got some things fundamentally wrong with tactics and personnel, particularly away from home. The truth is we have not seen one fantastic performance from Liverpool all season. And we have seen some abject ones.
We are wallowing in mediocrity and the owners, who to their credit have taken their time and listened to lots of people to try and grow to understand the club, must surely know this is not what Liverpool FC is all about. Quite the opposite.
They’ll be talking to the right people about how to handle things I hope - and for me two of the best people they could listen to are Commercial Director Ian Ayre and Kenny Dalglish.
I hate knee jerk reactions - this isn’t that - and take no pleasure saying so.
But it is time for a parting of the ways between Roy Hodgson and Liverpool. One that happens with a degree of dignity for everyone’s sake.Read More http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2011/01/07/phil-thompson-time-to-end-roy-hodgson-s-liverpool-fc-reign-now-100252-27944794/3/#ixzz1AL1QcH5d[/color][/font][/font]

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MichaelA · « **Reply #4 on:** January 7, 2011, 08:59:17 AM »

My personal feeling is that he will be gone by the end of next week, irrespective of the result on Sunday. FSG need to put some safety nets in place, and with no CEO on the ground and Purslow culpable for the current mess, they need to get over here and put their foot on the ball.

Meanwhile Mr K. Dalglish of the Parish of Sefton needs to return from his oldies cruise and restate his credentials to see us through to the end of the season and mid table mediocrity. Who knows, he may win us a shiny wafer cup.

Even if, by some miracle, the King gets us up into the top six or wins a cup, I would hope that both he and FSG would have a plan (and the dignity) in place to bring in someone new in the close season. No international championships this summer, so a new man in May would have a cracking lead time into season 2011/12.

dizzyd · « **Reply #5 on:** January 7, 2011, 09:00:26 AM »

I'd give Rodolfo Borrell the role as caretaker for the rest of the season, I think he would get the team playing good systems, have people playing for each other and importantly play people in the right the positions and to their strengths.

kkhaku · « **Reply #6 on:** January 7, 2011, 09:05:23 AM »

I just rewatched the Blackburn match (don't ask me why) and I'm finding it a bit ridiculous that the players seem to have got off Scott free on this one. Roy out and all that yeah, but let me tell you, the tactics against Blackburn were barely half the problem. I really can't think of a manager that's available that can come in and suddenly get this bunch of mugs who call themselves footballers playing in the manner they're supposed to. I'm beginning to think NESV may share my concerns.

ziggyy · « **Reply #7 on:** January 7, 2011, 09:05:28 AM »

Controversial but..... Hodgson out (ASAP), replaced by Rafa.

Simply cos we were so close to the top, the performances were (relatively) good (yes, we did have ONE bad season, out of 5....) and most of the team are still players he brought in. He had young players in line, players (enough links to be fairly accurate) which he wanted but we couldn't pay for, mostly turn out into gems.

We could bring in another guy but it'll be another rebuilding process and honestly, we've been waiting and waiting and waiting to even touch that perch....

The 4-5 seasons of constantly being in the CL, those big European nights, well worth the other issues he might bring if he's back again.

gollne · « **Reply #8 on:** January 7, 2011, 09:05:30 AM »

Quote from: dizzyd on January 7, 2011, 09:00:26 AM

I'd give Rodolfo Borrell the role as caretaker for the rest of the season, I think he would get the team playing good systems, have people playing for each other and importantly play people in the right the positions and to their strengths.

Agree with this, but only if Kenny wont do it. I'd also look at Pep Segura who in all honesty seem to know what Liverpool is about.

Malaysian Kopite · « **Reply #9 on:** January 7, 2011, 09:06:30 AM »

Quote from: dizzyd on January 7, 2011, 09:00:26 AM

I'd give Rodolfo Borrell the role as caretaker for the rest of the season, I think he would get the team playing good systems, have people playing for each other and importantly play people in the right the positions and to their strengths.

This.

rossipersiempre · « **Reply #10 on:** January 7, 2011, 09:06:48 AM »

Quote from: dizzyd on January 7, 2011, 09:00:26 AM

I'd give Rodolfo Borrell the role as caretaker for the rest of the season, I think he would get the team playing good systems, have people playing for each other and importantly play people in the right the positions and to their strengths.

And leave the U18s to whom? If we're looking at promoting from within, then Segura is the better choice both logistically and on merit (his Greek league win). But I'd much prefer to leave them where they both are, and not risk/pull them away from their current roles where they are doing a fantastic - and vitally important - job.

brezipool · « **Reply #11 on:** January 7, 2011, 09:07:10 AM »

Quote from: dizzyd on January 7, 2011, 09:00:26 AM

I'd give Rodolfo Borrell the role as caretaker for the rest of the season, I think he would get the team playing good systems, have people playing for each other and importantly play people in the right the positions and to their strengths.

Might not be a bad shout that.

Does everybody agree that wee sammy has to go as well?

I like the guy, but maybe its time for a total change at 1st team level.

What about Kenny with rodolfo until the end of the season, and Carra taking the ressies while he is injured !?

Long term we need a winner, simple, somebody who has won a league or champions league in the last 10 years.

Razorblade · « **Reply #12 on:** January 7, 2011, 09:07:30 AM »

Think people are being a bit Harsh on NESV/FSG, I know they have been pretty inactive, totally in fact, but let's see if the end justifies the means. People should reserve judgement until they actually do something then hopefully the present inactivity will make sense looking back.

rossipersiempre · « **Reply #13 on:** January 7, 2011, 09:09:35 AM »

Quote from: kkhaku on January 7, 2011, 09:05:23 AM

I just rewatched the Blackburn match (don't ask me why) and I'm finding it a bit ridiculous that the players seem to have got off Scott free on this one. Roy out and all that yeah, but let me tell you, the tactics against Blackburn were barely half the problem. I really can't think of a manager that's available that can come in and suddenly get this bunch of mugs who call themselves footballers playing in the manner they're supposed to. I'm beginning to think NESV may share my concerns.

The manager is the core problem though as it's now very evident that they won't play for him. It's the footballing equivalent of downing tools. The amateur hour shite tactics he's sending them out there with, just exacerbates the issue.

Trada · « **Reply #14 on:** January 7, 2011, 09:10:36 AM »

Just going to start talking about Liverpool again on Talk Sport.

Seem to be taking a different tact today "We don't like him because he's from London"

mactifosi · « **Reply #15 on:** January 7, 2011, 09:10:56 AM »

I'd have Kenny in with Thommo as his assistant until the summer.

kkhaku · « **Reply #16 on:** January 7, 2011, 09:11:24 AM »

Borell? Has he ever managed a top-tier team?

rossipersiempre · « **Reply #17 on:** January 7, 2011, 09:11:29 AM »

Quote from: Trada on January 7, 2011, 09:10:36 AM

Just going to start talking about Liverpool again on Talk Sport.

Seem to be taking a different tact today "We don't like him because he's from London"

Switch it off, for your own sanity if nothing else.

italian scouser · « **Reply #18 on:** January 7, 2011, 09:11:42 AM »

what about Martin O'neil?
is Deschamps working?
these are good manager that can help us.
I really don't think with Rijkaard nor Benitez can improve the situation.

PJG · « **Reply #19 on:** January 7, 2011, 09:12:57 AM »

There are problems deeper than roy in our club. Once Roy goes, we need to sort them out before we move on. Roy leaving doesn't signal the end of our troubles.

KurtVerbose · « **Reply #20 on:** January 7, 2011, 09:13:28 AM »

Quote from: kkhaku on January 7, 2011, 09:05:23 AM

I just rewatched the Blackburn match (don't ask me why) and I'm finding it a bit ridiculous that the players seem to have got off Scott free on this one.

It always happens, regardless of the club, when there is a manager without authority. It's why I hated the appointment of Comoli. I can't think of a single team that has been consistently winning things when managers have been weak or undermined, and I agree completely with Ferguson on this. And let's be honest, it was one reason why Rafa's last season was so poor - he was completely undermined.

gollne · « **Reply #21 on:** January 7, 2011, 09:14:37 AM »

Quote from: italian scouser on January 7, 2011, 09:11:42 AM

what about Martin O'neil?
is Deschamps working?
these are good manager that can help us.
I really don't think with Rijkaard nor Benitez can improve the situation.

Do not want MoN thanks. Shit person and shit manager imo.

Sat1 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 7, 2011, 09:14:55 AM »

How much experience does Rodolfo Borrell have?

Its obvious the only reason Roy is here is due to no replacement being available. Does this mean the owners want to stay clear of Kenny? My reason for not wanting Kenny is becuase of what happened to Rafa, how fans turned on him. Even though Kenny is king, a bad season will certainly have people calling for his head.

I've been full of hot air and wanting Roy out asap, and even questioning the owners but after cooling down I'm glad they wont make any rash decision but they need to work hard at this and work things out. Also even with Roy incharge I 100% believe we wont get relegated, and with a new guy I doubt we'll get 4th, so really the season in terms of our goal is shot. My main concern which has been there from day 1 is our future, our top players leaving because of the managers poor tactics and lack of presence when pulling in top talent. Roy being here is my fear that our best will want to go elsewhere and the best out there wont even consider us.

PJG · « **Reply #23 on:** January 7, 2011, 09:16:54 AM »

Quote from: Sat1 on January 7, 2011, 09:14:55 AM

How much experience does Rodolfo Borrell have?

There's also Jose Segura working in our academy. He won both the Greek championship and Cup with Olympiacos FC in 2008 as manager

lfc_maniac_tsr · « **Reply #24 on:** January 7, 2011, 09:17:30 AM »

I don't care about Roy's future.
I am very much sure and highly optimistic that something really nice is going to happen in the next few days for our club. It is going to be 'the crucial' period. It should be. I mean we have faced enough shit for the past so many months. There has to be an end to it. At least law of averages will back me up here. It has to end. It will end now. I am very much looking forward to the next few days.
I am very proud & lucky that I was a part in one of the bad times in our club. I am sure I will see our club grow from here and go on to win stuffs.

underdog · « **Reply #25 on:** January 7, 2011, 09:17:42 AM »

Quote from: Veinticinco de Mayo on January 7, 2011, 08:58:10 AM

The latest seems to be that although Roy is indeed "gone" due to the lack of a suitable replacement he will still be "in charge" for the game at Old Trafford.

Kenny is still cruising in the Gulf and I believe he has business interests which would need to be tidied up before he could become our manager.

The only new news at the moment seems to be this quote from Phil Thompson in the Echo:

It seems that either we are waiting for Kenny to get home or they don't want the new manager's first game to be away at the toilet. Be very odd for Roy taking charge on Sunday knowing he is out of a job.

NaoiDeag · « **Reply #26 on:** January 7, 2011, 09:17:45 AM »

As I said in another thread, I seriously think that it'd be best to let Roy take the cup game on Sunday. That's no kind of first fixture for a manager to come in to with no time to work with the team apart from a William Wallace chat before heading up there.

If we win, Mr. Hodgson, who I do respect and feel things ran away from him here(it has been an exceptionally difficult period in the clubs history, even aside from on-field and OK he didn't do himself many favours), will leave with some dignity. If not (more likely) it will be the culmination of a very bad spell, and offer the opportunity for something of a fresh start.

I'll save the obituary for after the event.

I have nothing to support this, but I have a feeling of there being a divide amongst the players. Others here have talked about that, but I've not seen anything backed up. It just feels like there are seriously divided opinions among the players about the current manager, or maybe about other things.

If there was someone who could unite the squad andget them fighting for one another again, I really believe the results would improve dramatically. Who that is, How they'd do it, and how such a person would make way for a long term solution if they were sucessful (assuming there will be another interim manager) is beyond me.

nocturnalvin · « **Reply #27 on:** January 7, 2011, 09:18:29 AM »

The fixtures have ironically delayed the execution.

NaoiDeag · « **Reply #28 on:** January 7, 2011, 09:20:00 AM »

Quote from: kkhaku on January 7, 2011, 09:05:23 AM

I just rewatched the Blackburn match (don't ask me why) and I'm finding it a bit ridiculous that the players seem to have got off Scott free on this one. Roy out and all that yeah, but let me tell you, the tactics against Blackburn were barely half the problem. I really can't think of a manager that's available that can come in and suddenly get this bunch of mugs who call themselves footballers playing in the manner they're supposed to. I'm beginning to think NESV may share my concerns.

More eloquently put than I managed.

Weicco · « **Reply #29 on:** January 7, 2011, 09:20:18 AM »

Roy's future should be heading away from Liverpool. Roy has lost the players. Their body language on the pitch show it.
We cannot either attract any new (quality) players if he is in charge until the end of january.
New manager and some facts from the owners that investments will be made in summer.

stewy17 · « **Reply #30 on:** January 7, 2011, 09:20:29 AM »

Quote from: rossipersempre on January 7, 2011, 09:09:35 AM

The manager is the core problem though as it's now very evident that they won't play for him. It's the footballing equivalent of downing tools. The amateur hour shite tactics he's sending them out there with, just exacerbates the issue.

This is definately the case.

For all the shite spewed by the media and ex pros, the core of our squad is still better than at least 15 of the teams in the league. we've still got a relative smorgasbord of international quality players. I could name them all but I won't waste time.

The job Coyle is doing at the moment is a great indicator of where Hodgson and Liverpool are at the moment. Bolton don't really have one star player in their squad, player for player we outclass them in every department, but Coyle works his magic to get the best from them, and has them over performing.

Hodgo can only work his magic to make world class players look shit.

A good manager should have this squad fighting for top 4. Our shit manager has us fighting relegation. He is to blame, 95% at least.

Chivasino · « **Reply #31 on:** January 7, 2011, 09:22:19 AM »

Quote from: italian scouser on January 7, 2011, 09:11:42 AM

what about Martin O'neil?
is Deschamps working?
these are good manager that can help us.
I really don't think with Rijkaard nor Benitez can improve the situation.

O'niel, no, overrated manager.
Deschamps, yes he is working and won't leave until the summer.

I fail to understand why you think O'niel can help us, but Rafa and Rijkaard, who are infinitely better managers, can't?

Simon C · « **Reply #32 on:** January 7, 2011, 09:23:03 AM »

I'd bring in Frank Rijkaard right away and give him a five year contract with sufficient funds to turn the club round. He is currently unemployed and would remove the need to move Kenny back upstairs in the summer.
He is fluent in English, Spainish and Dutch and would therefore not have a problem communicating with any of the players. He would also command instant respect based on what he achieved as a player, 2 European Cups, at least 2 Serie A titles, the European Cup with Holland. Then as a manager has won La Liga and the Champions League.
His style of football he likes to play is cohesive attacking football something we have been crying out for for the last 4 seasons (Rafa included),

If it were me I'd bring him in.

The Grinch · « **Reply #33 on:** January 7, 2011, 09:23:10 AM »

One of the worries for me is Comolli, it looks a strange decision now to appoint the man in the middle of the chain of command without having first appointed a CEO and a Coach.

Comolli is so clearly NESV's man that his presence might have a detrimental effect on the number of people prepared to take the CEO and Coach roles.

They might feel uncomfortable working above or below someone who so obviously has the owners ear. It may not be such a bad idea for NESV to pull in a temporary CEO from one of their other businesses or to enlist the help of Edelman in the short term.

It seems to me that everyone at the Club is treading on eggshells desperately not wanting to be seen as the person responsible for Hodgson's exit, they know there is going to be a media backlash and they do not want to be the person the media chooses as the scapegoat.

Promised to never post on RAWK again · « **Reply #34 on:** January 7, 2011, 09:24:17 AM »

Since Roy is as good as gone, I would consider Kenny as the caretaker manager, with Jose Segura as his assistant ... Both of them employees of the club, with credentials for the job ... There are several reasons for this particular combination, and the smart people would know them ...

redmark · « **Reply #35 on:** January 7, 2011, 09:25:50 AM »

Quote from: NaoiDeag on January 7, 2011, 09:17:45 AM

As I said in another thread, I seriously think that it'd be best to let Roy take the cup game on Sunday. That's no kind of first fixture for a manager to come in to with no time to work with the team apart from a William Wallace chat before heading up there.

If that manager were Dalglish, it's a perfect fixture for him to take charge of (and the perfect man to give the William Wallace chat). However, given the thread rules and Dalglish being on a cruise, if Hodgson knows he's out then I'd rather the team were 'led' by Sammy Lee for one game (not as a formal caretaker manager). I can't see any benefit for the club (or any dignity for Hodgson) in going to OT knowing that he's out of a job even if he wins it.

For the longer term, it looks like Deschamps is distancing himself from the job. My preference would be Coyle, or maybe Klopp; or part of me (the squishy romantic part, probably) thinks Dalglish. Coyle as manager working with Dalglish has some appeal. I also think Coyle might possibly be coaxed into leaving Bolton mid-season.

henry · « **Reply #36 on:** January 7, 2011, 09:26:00 AM »

i think the new manager is def in the pipeline and probably will be on the stand at the weekend watching the game.

it will be unfair to the new manager if we sack Roy and have the new manager to in charge against ManU when its this close to the match date.

with the appointment of Comoli, i think the new manager will be someone newish in the football management but with a good records who can adopt the new way of working alongside Comoli.

don't think any well-known and experienced managers would be a good thing. i can't see them work well or as effective with Comoli because they would have used to the idea of in-charge of all signings themselves.

TomDcs · « **Reply #37 on:** January 7, 2011, 09:26:19 AM »

Quote from: Razorblade on January 7, 2011, 09:07:30 AM

Think people are being a bit Harsh on NESV/FSG, I know they have been pretty inactive, totally in fact, but let's see if the end justifies the means. People should reserve judgement until they actually do something then hopefully the present inactivity will make sense looking back.

Agreed, it's what we yearned under H&G and it appears this lot have taken note of some of the principles of TLW, I just hope they know what they are doing and aren't listening to CP. Kenny is the logical short term solution with whoever he chooses to have as assistant.

Quote from: PJG on January 7, 2011, 09:12:57 AM

There are problems deeper than roy in our club. Once Roy goes, we need to sort them out before we move on. Roy leaving doesn't signal the end of our troubles.

Agreed, this is why the final decision on who is brought in longer term will need to rest with a newly appointed CEO and the owners (not comolli and certainly not anything to do with the snake).

Miracle@Istanbul · « **Reply #38 on:** January 7, 2011, 09:26:42 AM »

It has already cost us over £10 million to bring in a manager for 6 months, if you include Rafa's severence package and compensation to Fulham for Hodgson, FSG dont want to make the same costly mistake.

Lord Roger Hunt · « **Reply #39 on:** January 7, 2011, 09:27:25 AM »

If you were NESV, looking at Rafa's CV, wouldn't you at least speak to him? Think of the pluses - it mightn't be as daft as it seems:-

1. He's a proven winner - he's CV is the best of all those being mentioned
2. He loves LFC and Liverpool
3. There's a new ownership regime, with no residual rancour e..g. a fresh start (there may be even a bit of sympathy for what Rafa had to put up with).
4. He's available and could hit the ground running. Give him a reasonable transfer budget and he'll be purring.
5. His re-appointment would be broadly welcomed by most (not all though) LFC fans
5. It would get right up the nose of the British football establishment!

The negatives though:

1. Senior players may walk e.g. Stevie G and Carra
2. He needs 'managing' as he can be difficult for an owner to deal with
3. Purslow may walk - oh well, never mind
4. It could be perceived as a step backwards
5. There could be a negative reaction from some sections of the fans
6. The collateral damage caused to LFC by him being sacked might be more than we're aware of - possibly beyond repair...?

Probably won't happen but I am sure that it is an option that FSG would consider.......?