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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #40 on: November 30, 2010, 03:45:17 PM »
Just hope they win something this season.
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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #41 on: November 30, 2010, 03:45:25 PM »
They certainly play the best football to watch of all the teams currently playing, hard to say the how they would go against the teams of the past , for me they are great to watch, i loved that last night probably because it was against Madrid and against a team that was built to dismantle them, Madrid at times were chasing shadows , top pro's not having a clue where the ball had come from and where it would be going next, brilliant to watch i hope they give them the same treatment in the return game, if they could cut out the play acting then they would elevate themselves even higher in my estimation, Messis to good a player to resort to crumbling to the deck after a nudge from Carvhalo's shoulder
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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #42 on: November 30, 2010, 03:45:54 PM »
Yes. They are as perfect as a club can be really.

Fuck that.

Great team though.

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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #43 on: November 30, 2010, 03:47:15 PM »
Just hope they win something this season.
Hope they get both the La Liga and CL.
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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #44 on: November 30, 2010, 03:48:56 PM »
Think everyone does but I think they will win nothing.
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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #45 on: November 30, 2010, 03:50:26 PM »
They signed Mascherano because he was dying to get out of Liverpool and they could buy him. How on earth is a DM suppose to replace a Xavi or Iniesta? just doesn't make sense. And that loan example doesn't help your argument. They spent when they didn't need to spend, got themselves into trouble and needed a bank to bail them out. Did they need to spend 40m on Ibra, 30m on Chygrnskiy and then 40m on Villa, 20m on Masch? like i said, spending for the sake of spending.

My loan example was valid in the sense that they cannot afford to simply go out and just buy players willy-nilly without having a pre-arranged budget set at the start of the season, which they have and it is £50m solely for the purchase of Fabregas in the summer. This is without the inclusion of sales.

I said "perhaps" as a replacement because if either of them get injured, like when Xavi was injured at the start of the season, they play Biscuits in the role of Iniesta and Iniesta in Xavi spot and Mascherano in Biscuits' place. Except they didn't have the fluidity with Smash in the team, and that's why he doesn't play anymore and they'll get rid of him.

Bringing up their previous transfers is foolish. They signed Ibrahimovic (OK they got completely mugged off, I make it at £65m: it was £45m up front and Eto'o who was valued at £20m by both teams) who they thought would give them a different dimension against teams like Inter last season who they couldn't pass the ball around, but that never materialised as Pep discovered what many in Britian already thought: Ibra is massively over-rated.

They signed Chygrynskiy because they believed after his decent performanes is the champions league the season before he would be great for them, a ball playing centre-half. It was actually £24m they paid for him, and after realising he wasn't going to fit in well with the rest of their team they sold him back to his club for half the price. I've never heard of a club spending £20+ on a player and hoping he'd fit in well before having to ship him back to his previous employers because it didn't work out...Keane.

If have you have even seen any football in the past 3 years you will know that David Villa is the best goal-scoring forward in the world, and if you had read any football related newspaper articles or visited any forums (especially Liverpool ones) it seemed every club with a serious desire to win wanted to sign Villa, but fair enough to Valencia they were in financial ruin and needed as much as they could get out of Villa and British clubs don't like paying over £30m for a striker (the only one was Shevchenko...). Real couldn't get him, in part he didn't want to go and they thought Benzema was a better choice (Younger. So far...). And Barca had opted for Ibra, when they realised the Ibra mistake they got rid of him (unfortunately Mancini had already got Tevez and he's a one-striker kind of guy) so he's at AC Milan at £20m. Then they turned to Villa and paid £34m for him.

I already have stated my Smash case, and I think it was more along the £18m mark. They have spent big, but got around half of that back when they have sold them on. It is not simply spending for spendings sake, there is a difference. Pep only bought Pique and Abidal in his first season, won 6 trophies. Second season his transfers were not so good, but hey who has a flawless record? He still won the league and the Spanish Super Cup. But at least they have the balls to go "this player hasn't worked, get rid of him".

They don't buy just because they can. They, like many other clubs, buy when they feel the player will add something to the team they need, it's just because during the early noughties they didn't have much money to go and make big signings so you didn't notice.
« Last Edit: November 30, 2010, 03:53:48 PM by EarthWormJim »
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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #46 on: November 30, 2010, 04:00:19 PM »
Just hope they win something this season.

I think they'll win the CL, but Madrid will take the league.

Barca - 4 European Cups. It'll be nice for them to join the upper bracket of the giants of European football. Plus in doing that also leave Yernited tied up with the others in the B league. Not right how Barca are side by side with them.

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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #47 on: November 30, 2010, 04:26:03 PM »
Best ever, in my opinion and my 10-15 years experience of watching the game.
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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #48 on: November 30, 2010, 04:27:34 PM »
The greatest team you've ever seen?
At this precise moment I'd say a definate maybe! But is that because they're freshest in the memory?

As been said before, there's at least a couple of Liverpool sides and a great AC Milan side that would have something to say on the matter. Plus, a very good United side (but we'll rule them out through petty bias) and a very exciting Arsenal side too, but ultimately out of the running as they did nothing in Europe.

Despite the apparent gulf in class last night, I agree with those who think it could be tough for Barca to hold off Real's challenge this season.

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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #49 on: November 30, 2010, 04:29:50 PM »
Tapping up aside.

Quite, this what makes them some what dislikeable in my opinion.  Can't hide that they are pretty much the best though.

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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #50 on: November 30, 2010, 04:33:27 PM »
I think most of the Barcelona players have been brought up on the ethos of the club.  You can't have 11 players from your academy who are all mercenaries. And I doubt Dani Pacheco feels the same way about Liverpool as Martin Kelly (for example).

Since you brought up Pacheco, he is actually a Real Madrid fan, but he was brought up in the Barca academy.  how many of the 10 that came through the academy are actually Barca fans? I duno.

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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #51 on: November 30, 2010, 04:36:23 PM »
Since you brought up Pacheco, he is actually a Real Madrid fan, but he was brought up in the Barca academy.  how many of the 10 that came through the academy are actually Barca fans? I duno.
Puyol and Xavi i know have always been Barca fans, don't know about the rest.
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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #52 on: November 30, 2010, 04:52:23 PM »
Since you brought up Pacheco, he is actually a Real Madrid fan, but he was brought up in the Barca academy.  how many of the 10 that came through the academy are actually Barca fans? I duno.
Pepe Reina is another one. Came through the Barca academy but is an Atletico Madrid fan.

Puyol and Xavi i know have always been Barca fans, don't know about the rest.
Both are Catalonian. As is Valdes and Busquets. Iniesta isn't.

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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #53 on: November 30, 2010, 04:55:03 PM »
Yes they spend money to win things. Whether it actually pays off, is another matter. But yeah, it's great seeing a Liverpool fan look down his nose at ambition.
They signed Mascherano because he was dying to get out of Liverpool and they could buy him. How on earth is a DM suppose to replace a Xavi or Iniesta? just doesn't make sense. And that loan example doesn't help your argument. They spent when they didn't need to spend, got themselves into trouble and needed a bank to bail them out. Did they need to spend 40m on Ibra, 30m on Chygrnskiy and then 40m on Villa, 20m on Masch? like i said, spending for the sake of spending.

As for your last point, that goes without saying.




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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #54 on: November 30, 2010, 08:14:08 PM »
I think it was Ecuared who posted an article written by Jonathan Wilson about the match yesterday which had this Sacchi quote on it:

“Great clubs have had one thing in common throughout history, regardless of era or tactics. They owned the pitch and they owned the ball. That means when you have the ball, you dictate play and when you are defending, you control the space.” (Arrigo Sacchi)

We saw a masterclass of both possession and pressing last night

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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #55 on: November 30, 2010, 08:23:36 PM »
Last night was the first time I had watched a Barca match in full since their CL matches with Inter last season.  They were quite simply stunning.  An absolute joy to watch.  A mate of mine said that "they're like Arsenal on drugs".  It's not just their attacking play, which is underpinned by their amazingly quick use of the ball, but they work so hard as a unit to pressure the opposition when they are without the ball.
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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #56 on: November 30, 2010, 08:37:04 PM »
Fuck that.

They are as close as you can get really.
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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #57 on: November 30, 2010, 08:45:40 PM »
They are as close as you can get really.

In the climate of modern football, I would certainly agree.
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« Reply #58 on: November 30, 2010, 08:46:58 PM »
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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #59 on: November 30, 2010, 08:49:48 PM »
Quite, this what makes them some what dislikeable in my opinion.  Can't hide that they are pretty much the best though.
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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #60 on: November 30, 2010, 09:56:11 PM »
As big as the rivalry is between Barca and Real, the harmony in the national team camp is always superb, England can learn from that..
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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #61 on: December 1, 2010, 01:11:53 AM »
Definitely the best Football team I have ever seen but probably need to win another Champions League or two be rated as the best side ever.

All over the pitch they have immense quality and its a testament to their side that one of the best players in our history (Gerrard) could not get into that first 11.

Not sure about that

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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #62 on: December 1, 2010, 02:12:08 AM »

 :shocked

Wow, that's even before the Premier League started.
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would like to give this team its time before saying yes or now, but id be hard pressed right now to think of many better...
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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #63 on: December 1, 2010, 02:27:12 AM »
Last night was superb and it's pretty obvious that on their day they are a pleasure and an absolute joy to watch (though i do abhor their play acting) however i think this thread also contains a fair bit of hyperbole, have they won anything this season yet...erm no, so whilst they may have tonked a bunch of mercenaries and i'm as pleased as the next guy i'll reserve judgement till the silverware is on the table.

It's also all a little bit Sky Sports Generation too, where's the Ajax side that won 3 European Cups on the bounce, where's the great Liverpool sides of 77/81/86/88, the awesome Milan side of the early 90's or the United side of 99, you could even argue a case for Bayern Munich circa 74 and United's first European Cup side of 68, all great sides with different attributes.

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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #64 on: December 1, 2010, 02:55:56 AM »
People make fun of Real Madrid because they spent over £300m in the last 2 years to stop a Barcelona team which tonked them 6-2 at the Bernebau. Then they unceremoniously sack a very good manager to bring in The Special One. And they still get tonked by Barcelona.

Spend money to win things?! Ha, if only that was the case.

Manuel Pellegrini, who by all accounts is a man of class, must have smiled a tiny bit to himself last night.

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« Reply #65 on: December 1, 2010, 05:16:39 AM »
i bet ya we could bore them off the park.

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« Reply #66 on: December 1, 2010, 06:13:30 AM »
Pepe Reina is another one. Came through the Barca academy but is an Atletico Madrid fan.
Both are Catalonian. As is Valdes and Busquets. Iniesta isn't.

Carra wasn't a Liverpool fan when he joined us as a youth but he is one now.

All this is besides the point though. It's not a case of buying for the sake of buying. If there were such a thing as a perfect side then you'd find that team would never make transfers. Barcelona are just doing what all good teams do... look to improve their squad. There is always room for improvement, even when you're on top.

It's fantastic that they have their academy players playing in their first team. Means that they can free up more funds to spend on those positions which will make their club the best team in the world. I'm sure if any team could produce the kind of talent they have they would be doing exactly the same thing... Liverpool included.

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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #67 on: December 1, 2010, 07:40:59 AM »
Yes they are,regardless if they win CL,la liga or not.

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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #68 on: December 1, 2010, 08:25:26 AM »
But is that because they're freshest in the memory?
Good point. But from what I can remember (which isn't much, but I've downloaded and seen plenty of games in the last few years) of Liverpool and Milan in the late 80's, and Barcelona early 90's, they weren't this good.

The speed of the game has changed, and it would be unfair to hold that against the older teams not exposed to last 20 years of 'evolution',  but I'd say that the technique on display last night, the movement, and the extraordinary use of the ball (while never being wasteful - Xavi for example misplaced 3 passes out of 114 I think!) was on a level above what I've seen before. Add the speed of which they did all this, and it was amazing to watch. Best ever? I'm sure the older fans would point to Real Madrid with Di Stefano, Ajax with Cruyff, or Liverpool of the 70's and they might well be right, but I don't think I've ever seen a display like Barcelona's before.

Yes they are,regardless if they win CL,la liga or not.
This I can't agree with though. Like I say above, this was probably the single best performance I've seen, but a great team make sure they win trophies in the end. No point playing like this once or twice a year if you've got nothing to show for it at the end of the season. And this current Barca need a few more league titles and probably one more CL title to be mentioned with the greatest of all time. Even Barcelona's best up til now, that 'Dream team' under Cruyff won four straight titles, and played in two European Cup finals.

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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #69 on: December 1, 2010, 08:31:43 AM »
This I can't agree with though. Like I say above, this was probably the single best performance I've seen, but a great team make sure they win trophies in the end. No point playing like this once or twice a year if you've got nothing to show for it at the end of the season. And this current Barca need a few more league titles and probably one more CL title to be mentioned with the greatest of all time. Even Barcelona's best up til now, that 'Dream team' under Cruyff won four straight titles, and played in two European Cup finals.
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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #70 on: December 1, 2010, 08:54:31 AM »
yet they go and splash the cash on the likes of Masch when they don't even need him.

With the moving on of Yaya Toure and the constant injuries to Iniesta, not to mention the recent physical frailty of Xavi (strains/tendonitis/other fitness issues) it's arguable to say 'they didn't need him'. Yaya always provided a bit of muscle to back up the silky if fragile midfield. Masche, on his day, offers the same.

The thing is, though, there have been less injuries this season and there has been less of a 'call' for him. Pair that with the fact that he doesn't seem to have quite settled, yet (i.e. getting booked for his first touch of the ball in a recent game) as well as Busquets' quiet improvement, his input has been minimal.

When you sell one player you try to replace him with a player with similar qualities. They sold Toure so they replaced him with Masche. They realised they'd made a mistake with Ibrahimovic so they replaced him with Villa.

They're not the only team guilty of expensive flops. Look at Keane, for example. Having said that, they don't try to buy 50 million players for each and every one of their positions. The fact that ten players that set foot on that pitch the other night cost them nothing means they CAN afford to make expensive mistakes.

You could never accuse them of trying to 'buy success', though. It's what Real are trying to do. Unfortunately for them it STILL isn't enough.
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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #71 on: December 1, 2010, 11:10:59 AM »
As big as the rivalry is between Barca and Real, the harmony in the national team camp is always superb, England can learn from that..

Depends on the characters of the players involved. People like Reina and Terry are poles apart.
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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #72 on: December 1, 2010, 11:49:24 AM »
I'd say that the technique on display last night, the movement, and the extraordinary use of the ball (while never being wasteful - Xavi for example misplaced 3 passes out of 114 I think!) was on a level above what I've seen before.
Same here to be honest. Barca's ball retention must have been exhausting for the Madrid players, I felt knackered for them just watching it. You could see passages of play where Madrid clearly upped their own pressing game to try and stop what was going on, and Barca simply responded by speeding up their own passing and movement. It eventually reached a speed of thought and technique that was bewildering enough for the viewer, christ knows what the Real players were going through.

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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #73 on: December 1, 2010, 11:59:51 AM »
Barca show just how important it is to pressure the ball. They don't have a "hard man" in their squad, and Puyol/Pique are far from imposing, but their workrate as a team is off the charts. And its what separates them from a team like Arsenal in this country who get lauded all the time for their play but win nothing.

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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #74 on: December 1, 2010, 01:37:50 PM »
Yes they spend money to win things. Whether it actually pays off, is another matter. But yeah, it's great seeing a Liverpool fan look down his nose at ambition.

They signed Mascherano because he was dying to get out of Liverpool and they could buy him. How on earth is a DM suppose to replace a Xavi or Iniesta? just doesn't make sense. And that loan example doesn't help your argument. They spent when they didn't need to spend, got themselves into trouble and needed a bank to bail them out. Did they need to spend 40m on Ibra, 30m on Chygrnskiy and then 40m on Villa, 20m on Masch? like i said, spending for the sake of spending.


They spend money to win, like the money they gave to Pellegrini to get rid of him when he managed a paltry 96 points in the league last year. Or the money they gave Inter for Jose only for him to fare even worse against Barca than anyone else has for a long time.

They are a clusterfuck of stupidity and trying to paint them as the good guys, as ambitious nearly men being held down by evil over-spending Barca, does only one thing. It highlights how insane you are.

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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #75 on: December 1, 2010, 01:59:23 PM »
not sure why people keep going on about the tapping out, even when it was distinctly proved that the Daily Shite made up every single exclusive interview with a Barcelona player that came out during the summer.
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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #76 on: December 1, 2010, 02:05:32 PM »
Not sure about that

He'd get in at left-back.

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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #77 on: December 1, 2010, 02:05:45 PM »
I dont care what anyone says they were fukking awesome the other night, lost a lot of interst in footy but that game the other night had me watching the whole 90 mins.
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« Reply #78 on: December 1, 2010, 02:24:22 PM »
Amazing game on monday, all the team plays perfect football, passing, defence, pressure.. by far the easiest clasico ever. Anyway whe didn't win anything yet, it's only a game and still think madrid will be a really hard contender for La Liga
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Re: So is this Barcelona side...
« Reply #79 on: December 1, 2010, 02:27:14 PM »
Yes. They are as perfect as a club can be really.

It's true. If I could ask our new owners to model Liverpool on any other European club it would be Barca:

A young, progressive manager.
A huge proportion of academy players in the first team.
A commitment to beautiful football.
A culture reflective of their location.
A wonderful stadium.
A large and loyal fanbase.
A tradition of fan representation on the board.

And all of those attributes inevitably lead to success, European Cups and League titles. What more could a football fan want from their club?
"If ever a club reflected what made football the biggest sport in the country, it was Liverpool with its ground set in the bosom of the labouring working class being led by a man-of-the-people idealist in Bill Shankly."