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Cowboys and Aliens
« on: November 20, 2010, 08:29:33 PM »
Summer 2011, pulpy title, quality looking film. Unforgiven meets War of the Worlds/Independence Day. I also can't remember I saw a trailer for a Harrison Ford film I was really looking forward to.

http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/universal/cowboysaliens/

Anyone read the graphic novel this is based on?

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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2010, 12:23:14 AM »
It looks ace!

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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2010, 04:30:17 AM »
an interesting read this...

The Strange Story Behind Cowboys & Aliens



The teaser trailer for Cowboys & Aliens came out this week, which lead many who haven’t been following the production to exclaim:

“Ok, cool, but Cowboys & Aliens?  What, did they throw darts at a board to come up with their movie premise and then forget to change the working title?”

Leading others to respond:

“Or, they based it on the graphic novel of the same name?”

As it turns out, both parties are correct. Cowboys & Aliens only exists because back in the ’90s, Scott Mitchell Rosenberg trademarked the name, and tried to use that name and a prospective comic cover to get movie studios interested in the IP of Cowboys & Aliens, before there was even a book to base the movie on.

Rosenberg is the chairman of Platinum Studios, the comic book company behind Men in Black and Witchblade, just to name two of the more famous projects they’ve had translated to a screen of some kind.  Cowboys & Aliens was trademarked in 1997, Rosenberg got on the cover of Variety, and started shopping the idea of the comic around to studios despite the fact that there was no book written yet, just a cover featuring a cowboy fleeing from an alien craft and a self-explanatory title.

No studios took the bait, and Rosenberg eventually found some people to make an actual book out of it, which was published in 2006.  But here comes the ingenious/evil part of the whole deal, from Bleeding Cool:

    He tried to game the system. Giving cheques to the bigger comic book shops of the day, if they would order thousands of the graphic novel in question. The cheques would cover the amount it would cost to order them, plus a bit extra on top. These comic shops complied, sold the already-below-cost 115 page $3.99 graphic novel for 50c, or free with any comic, or just free if you walk in, to help shift the thousands they had, and it worked. They reported the sales, Entertainment Weekly called Cowboys & Aliens the number one graphic novel of the week, and they made a splash.

The gambit paid off, three years later Jon Favreau signed onto the project, and next summer we’re going to get a taste of the whole thing with Daniel Craig and Harrison Ford in the starring roles.

The inevitable part of all of this?  Bleeding Cool reports that copies of the original comic C&A, the ones that stores were practically giving away, are going for more than $30 on eBay.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/11/20/the-great-cowboys-aliens-scam-has-unexpected-result/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BleedingCool+%28Bleeding+Cool+Comic+News+%26+Rumors%29

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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2010, 10:56:19 AM »
Looks like it could be a fun film, provided the director doesn't try to make it too bloated like he did with Iron Man 2. The fact that the trailer didn't seem to indicate it having a huge cast should make it a good thing.

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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2010, 11:48:44 AM »
Agreed about Harrison Ford, it's only a trailer but it really does look like he's not phoning it in which makes a change from the last deacde and a bit. Helps that he's playing a bad guy I suppose.

As much as I like him, I'm glad Downey Jr had to drop out of this, Craig looks like he was born to play a cowboy, he's grizzled to fuck.

I'm quite pleased that they are playing it very straight, I was expecting it to be a bit more light hearted with that title... my mate suggested 'Reach for the Sky' would have been a much better title, I like that.
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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2010, 05:01:03 PM »
There is another fantasy cowboy film coming out next month called The Warrior's Way.

"The story is about a warrior named Yang (Jang Dong-gun), who is forced to hide in a small town in the American badlands. He meets the town drunk (Geoffrey Rush) and a circus knife thrower (Kate Bosworth), both of whom have powerful secrets."

The trailer doesn't look quite as good as Cowboys and Aliens...


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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2010, 05:12:48 PM »
That one sounds like a mish-mash of a manga called Gun Blaze West.
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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2010, 08:49:18 PM »
Here is a very positive, non-spoiler review of the first 40 minutes from aintitcool.

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This past weekend at Butt-Numb-a-Thon, we were treated to the 40 minute opening of Jon Favreau’s upcoming summer blockbuster COWBOYS & ALIENS. While the effects and sound were still unfinished, the film was a smoothly edited, already perfectly structured 1st act introducing us to the characters – both good and bad – the situation and offered up hints that left a number of dangling threads leading into the second and third act. Unfortunately, as the film is so far out on the horizon (July), the offer to show COWBOYS & ALIENS came with the caveat that we couldn’t offer up spoilers or scene descriptions. What I can talk about is how good it is (thus far) and talk in some much more broad terms as to why this works – and might even prove to be better than any of Favreau’s previous films.

 

As many of you might remember, earlier this year in my IRON MAN 2 review, I laid out what I felt was Favreau’s only obvious flaw as a director: He likes his villains too much. I wrote: <I>There is a term in screenwriting called Saving the Cat - something Favreau does with Tony Stark repeatedly in both films. To put it simply, saving the cat is a little selfless moment that illustrates the goodness and moral center inside our hero. Despite the fact that Tony is a drunken letch who freely insults, demeans and sexually harasses those around him, we like him because at his core he is a really good guy with a heart of gold. And he shows that heart again and again. But good villains need the antithesis of that; they need a moment in which we see just how despicable they can be, so we, as an audience, enjoy watching them get the snot kicked out of them by the protagonist – in this case, Iron Man. But Favreau never really gives us those scenes. He loves his villains – casts incredible actors in their role and lets them have lots of fun chewing up the scenery. But because they never cross the line into true villainy – their beef is usually with Stark himself – we can only kind of enjoy their vanquishing. What I’m talking about doesn’t have to be as big as Grand Moff Tarkin’s ordering the destruction of Alderaan – it can be as beautifully succinct as The Joker’s pencil disappearing trick in THE DARK KNIGHT or Hans Gruber’s shooting Ellis to prove a point to John McClane in DIE HARD; it just has to be emotionally powerful enough for us to realize why this guy has to go down in the best way possible.

Many folks referred to this moment as <I>Shooting the dog. Since Favreau never let Ivan do anything really lowdown and despicable, you not only understand him – you kind of feel for him. And you get the impression that if Tony and Ivan would just sit down and share a bottle of scotch and a couple of high priced whores, that they could work their shit out and Tony could offer Ivan a job building insane shit for Stark Industries. Happy ending for one and all.

Well, Favreau doesn’t seem to have that problem anymore.

COWBOYS & ALIENS introduces us to not one, but two, despicable characters who, by the end of the first act, you loathe to their core. Each does something that makes you want to reach through the screen and smack the shit out of them – and while one of them repeatedly gets his comeuppance, the second is untouchable and becomes ever more sinister with every bullet he dodges. Making things ever more interesting, these two villains aren’t even the film’s true antagonists – merely forces against which our hero, an amnesiac played by Daniel Craig, must overcome (and possibly even work alongside) in order to survive and discover his true identity.

Craig is at his best here, giving the same kind of rugged-but-blank scoundrel-with-a-heart-of-gold performance that we saw out of him in CASINO ROYALE. Likewise Paul Dano continues to prove that he is one of the very best actors of his generation, turning in a blisteringly smarmy performance as a town ruffian. Meanwhile Sam Rockwell does everything he does well as the spineless local bartender and the legendary Clancy Brown plays the town preacher with all the gruff cool you want out of a Clancy Brown performance. But the real story here is Harrison Ford. Let’s face it, we love Harrison Ford, but he hasn’t done anything to the hilt in a long time.

Until now.

Here, Ford is given a meaty, dark role that plays perfectly to his strengths as an actor, while allowing him to continue his graceful slide into the elder statesman style supporting roles that action great Charlton Heston so readily moved into as he aged out of leading man status. Ford delivers with all the grim authority and sardonic derision that he’s been trying to find a place for in recent roles, but found it hard to find a solid footing. Favreau somehow found the primer, and wrested from him his best performance in over a decade – even this early in the film.

The first act is perfectly constructed. Everything works. Despite being an early workprint, Favreau doesn’t have a single second of fat in this part of the film. It unfolds like a classic western, delivering violent twist after violent twist until it goes all FROM DUSK TILL DAWN and swerves into being a completely different kind of movie altogether. The chemistry between the cast is undeniable and the action – even sans expensive effects – was top notch. If Favreau can keep up the level of intensity he shows in the first act throughout the second and third, then this will no doubt be next summer’s epic success story.

July cannot come soon enough. Keep this on your radar.






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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2010, 09:46:35 PM »
Looks like it could be a fun film, provided the director doesn't try to make it too bloated like he did with Iron Man 2. The fact that the trailer didn't seem to indicate it having a huge cast should make it a good thing.

He didn't. Favreau was told by the studio execs to get as much stuff in that could promote the forthcoming Avengers movie. He wasn't happy doing this, and by all accounts it looks as though they want even more in the third one as Favreau's told them he won't be a part of it and jumped ship. Fair play to him aswell.
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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2010, 09:49:11 PM »
He didn't. Favreau was told by the studio execs to get as much stuff in that could promote the forthcoming Avengers movie. He wasn't happy doing this, and by all accounts it looks as though they want even more in the third one as Favreau's told them he won't be a part of it and jumped ship. Fair play to him aswell.

Thats fair enough. It definitely was a bloated movie.

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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2011, 03:57:05 PM »
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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2011, 05:41:34 PM »
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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2011, 03:53:14 AM »
It's gonna be fun. I think out of this, X-Men: First Class, Thor and Captain America, this is probably the one I'm most interested in, followed by X-Men.. which despite the rather strange promotional campaign so far has a solid director (though I didn't like Kick-Ass) and a strong cast. Thor with a no name star and a Shakespeare director and Captain America with a no name star and a shite director, are definitely more risky. Cpt. American in particular has the potential to be a steaming heap.

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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2011, 05:42:18 AM »
It's gonna be fun. I think out of this, X-Men: First Class, Thor and Captain America, this is probably the one I'm most interested in, followed by X-Men.. which despite the rather strange promotional campaign so far has a solid director (though I didn't like Kick-Ass) and a strong cast. Thor with a no name star and a Shakespeare director and Captain America with a no name star and a shite director, are definitely more risky. Cpt. American in particular has the potential to be a steaming heap.
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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #14 on: August 7, 2011, 09:42:08 PM »
I'm seeing this in a few hours. My initial excitement has died down quite a bit, which can only be a good thing, really.

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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #15 on: August 7, 2011, 09:44:25 PM »
looking forward to acquiring it

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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #16 on: August 7, 2011, 09:48:16 PM »
been told to avoid this. sorry!
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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #17 on: August 7, 2011, 09:52:22 PM »
looking forward to acquiring it
it's been out for over a week now, get aquirin'

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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #18 on: August 7, 2011, 09:55:26 PM »
it's been out for over a week now, get aquirin'
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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #19 on: August 7, 2011, 10:15:32 PM »

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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #20 on: August 7, 2011, 10:23:44 PM »
I'll wait.

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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #21 on: August 8, 2011, 12:16:40 AM »
Picture isnt that bad on the usual sites, good film as well.
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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #22 on: August 9, 2011, 10:30:04 AM »
I'll wait.

To be honest, I can't see the point in watching a film at anything less than DVD quality. It just spoils it. I want to my entertainment to look the best it can. I can wait a few months.

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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2011, 01:59:38 AM »
Watched this last night...was alright..but again, went in expecting a solid movie..came out...and wasn't jumping for the moon the way I was for Iron Man 1 and 2....acting was decent..script was decent but you wanted more from the characters...anyways...7/10.
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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2011, 02:06:31 AM »
Watched this last night...was alright..but again, went in expecting a solid movie..came out...and wasn't jumping for the moon the way I was for Iron Man 1 and 2....acting was decent..script was decent but you wanted more from the characters...anyways...7/10.

So its not the greatest cowboys with aliens movie of all time?
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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2011, 02:09:04 AM »
From what I've heard it starts off as actually a very good western and then the aliens come in and ruin it.

I read that Spielberg screened westerns to Favreau, Ford, Craig and Wilde to get them immersed into that setting, he clearly hasn't shown them any alien films though for balance!
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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2011, 07:25:12 AM »
I thought that they didn't merge the two genre's well in the first half of the movie.

Its still watchable and is decent.
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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2011, 07:39:08 AM »
So its not the greatest cowboys with aliens movie of all time?

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« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2011, 07:41:25 AM »
From what I've heard it starts off as actually a very good western and then the aliens come in and ruin it.

Interesting idea but it just doesn't work for me....I don't know how it could have been done better but..it just didn't work....though Daniel Craig was as good as ever...those eyes...they catch you...that gaze...you're left stunned...
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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2011, 10:48:36 AM »
3 out of 5, olivia wilde is gorgeous though.

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« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2011, 11:49:16 AM »
3 out of 5, olivia wilde is gorgeous though.

No woman can touch her at this point in time..she is just perfect.
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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2011, 01:14:40 PM »
Cowboys and aliens aren't a good mix. I know what probably makes a good comic doesn't always make a good film. Whoever's idea it was to merge these two genres together must have been on glue or just out of primary 6. It was watchable, but barely. I just couldn't get my head around the strangeness of it all.

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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2011, 01:38:32 PM »
It made a shit comic that never made it off the drawing board. I have no idea why it was then thought of to be a film with a $100m+ budget.
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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2011, 02:33:49 PM »
The only thing they lifted from the comic was the title
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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2011, 06:34:27 PM »
Awful.

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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #35 on: August 14, 2011, 01:24:43 AM »
The only thing they lifted from the comic was the title

Still think they should have called it "Cowboys, Indians and Aliens."

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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2011, 03:36:15 AM »
The should have called it Trailer for The Dark Knight Rises. The only possible reason I can see anyone wanting to pay money to watch it at the cinema.

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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2011, 04:17:33 AM »
How dare you mock me! How dare you! May 10,000 goats fart on you all weekend long!!!!!!

I shall pay you a great compliment by using this as my new sig. I like goats and find farting funny so this is perfect.

As for the film, shall be watching it tomorrow. Expecting it to be ok, nothing more, in order to minimise the chance of disappointment.

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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #38 on: August 14, 2011, 05:11:05 AM »
I shall pay you a great compliment by using this as my new sig. I like goats and find farting funny so this is perfect.

As for the film, shall be watching it tomorrow. Expecting it to be ok, nothing more, in order to minimise the chance of disappointment.

It's a good way to kill 2 hours but...it will be predictable. The plot I mean. And the movie. :)
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Re: Cowboys and Aliens
« Reply #39 on: August 18, 2011, 12:38:54 AM »
Erm.

I went in expecting very little, and came out not disappointed. About all I can say about it really :D