Topic: Wigan 1-1 Liverpool : brought back down with a bang

[Sevo]

Aye.

Used to be a trait amongst all our players. No-one was ever allowed to slack for a minute during a game, and more often than not we got maximum effort from them, whether or not we won.
Shankly used to say that it a player need a breather, then just give it to Thomson (aka Jesus).

[Chakan]

But don't you remember how the price went up and up? The figure quoted not long before we finally got him was 12 million - and even then we were starting to say, "How much?". And this was us with no money and no back-up for Torres. And Arbeloa was fine (and good enough for Real Madrid). The Johnson price was clearly a bit steep.

Obviously Rafa thought he was worth it or he wouldn't have bought him - but it was (even without hindsight) a strange one for me. He'd become the media darling (and when we bought him we had to support Rafa) but we're not supposed to believe the media we're supposed to make up our own minds. He had clearly improved at Pompey but when he was at Chelsea and they were winning all the time he was the only weak player they had. We used to pray he played against us.

Chelsea apparently offered the same as us when we bought him - and that was moneybags Chelsea, to whom Rafa was obviously referring in Barney's quote about not paying over the odds unlike "some clubs".

I think they knew exactly what position Rafa was in , also I think what happened with the Johnson transfer was that Rafa knew they owed us 7m , Rafa i think knew he was probably never going to see any of that money in the transfer budget. Realistically with the owners maybe 1m or 2 might go to rafa if that so in the Johnson deal I think Rafa saw an opportunity to get a player he thought he needed plus "spend" some money he would never see otherwise, and Pompy capitalized on it. Just my thinking on it. No proof whatsoever.

[xabi-and-rafas-lost-son]

i find it funny how when Roy wins a game these threads are 20 pages tops, but when he draws, the drag on to 40.

mystery isn't it?

[Callaghan.]

I think they knew exactly what position Rafa was in , also I think what happened with the Johnson transfer was that Rafa knew they owed us 7m , Rafa i think knew he was probably never going to see any of that money in the transfer budget. Realistically with the owners maybe 1m or 2 might go to rafa if that so in the Johnson deal I think Rafa saw an opportunity to get a player he thought he needed plus "spend" some money he would never see otherwise, and Pompy capitalized on it. Just my thinking on it. No proof whatsoever.

Yeah, fair enough.

[Picklez]

i find it funny how when Roy wins a game these threads are 20 pages tops, but when he draws, the drag on to 40.

mystery isn't it?

Haters gunna be hatin' 

[Hunter Thompson]

i find it funny how when Roy wins a game these threads are 20 pages tops, but when he draws, the drag on to 40.

mystery isn't it?

Not really a mystery. There's always going to be more to discuss after a poor performance.

[Fruity]

i find it funny how when Roy wins a game these threads are 20 pages tops, but when he draws, the drag on to 40.

mystery isn't it?

Not really when according to rawk polls probably over 75% dont want roy here. Its been pretty civilised really.

[Callaghan.]

I still want to look on the bright side...

Roy is still a new manager. Rafa had had 6 years - including 6 years of Gerrard (aged 23 to 29) for no money.

Remember, this season has gone like this:
 
Won: 10
Drawn: 6
Lost: 5

3 of the 5 defeats were against Man City away, Man Utd away and Everton away (and you could call Northampton a draw). And - just to clutch at another straw! - Torres got injured after 9 minutes against Blackpool.

	Last season	This season
Won	46.4%	47.6%
Drawn	19.6%	28.6%
Lost	33.9%	23.8%

[Shabby]

i find it funny how when Roy wins a game these threads are 20 pages tops, but when he draws, the drag on to 40.

mystery isn't it?

It's not really different from any other season. When we lose, people will spend more time venting.

[RedinExile]

I still want to look on the bright side...

Roy is still a new manager. Rafa had had 6 years - including 6 years of Gerrard (aged 23 to 29) for no money.

Remember, this season has gone like this:
 
Won: 10
Drawn: 6
Lost: 5

3 of the 5 defeats were against Man City away, Man Utd away and Everton away (and you could call Northampton a draw). And - just to clutch at another straw! - Torres got injured after 9 minutes against Blackpool.

	Last season	This season
Won	46.4%	47.6%
Drawn	19.6%	28.6%
Lost	33.9%	23.8%

Not just the results mate it's the 1-9-1 formation, signings, press conferences. Just saying it's not only results.

[Billy Austin]

From where I was sat in the posh seats, we played well in the first 15 minutes. High up the pitch. Pressed. Kept the ball.

Then Uncle Roy got the team to sit back. Two banks of four. Hoof the ball forward just for it to come straight back.

Fair play to Wigan. They passed the ball well. Plenty of movement into space. Deserved the win. With a better striker they would have.

The substitutions were bizarre. It seems to me that the old bloke is looking to average two points per game.

[R.A.La]

i find it funny how when Roy wins a game these threads are 20 pages tops, but when he draws, the drag on to 40.

mystery isn't it?

No different to last season.

[Aristotle]

Laughable that the thread of us beating Chelsea went to 29 pages, yet horror of horrors a midweek draw against Wigan is already at 38 pages!

Look at all the other threads. Think the Lucas thread went up like 7-8 pages, Torres thread a few pages as well etc.

[Bennekov]

i find it funny how when Roy wins a game these threads are 20 pages tops, but when he draws, the drag on to 40.

mystery isn't it?

I find it funny in the most pitiful way possible that Roy is still here.....

[Callaghan.]

It seems to me that the old bloke Hodgson is looking to average two points per game.

I'll take 76 points.

Taking inspiration from the way that the General Election coverage ranks target seats, I tried to rank LFC's target fixtures. (Just for fun as Peter Snow would say).  These are, imho, the games offering our best chance for improvement compared to last season, in order.

Burnley Last = NewcastleThis   
Hull Last = West Brom This   
Portsmouth Last = Blackpool This   


First of all in groups based on last season result.

11 Chances to gain 1 or 3 points in ascending order of difficulty

1.   Blackpool Away   
2.   Wigan Away  (This season gained 1)
3.   Villa Home
4.   Fulham Away
5.   Sunderland Away
6.   Arsenal Home  (This season gained 1)
7.   Spurs Away
8.   Chelsea Home  (This season gained 3)
9.   Arsenal Away
10.  Chelsea Away
11.  MU Away  (This season gained nil)

Net Gain/Loss This Season  = Plus 5 (Any point is a gain from these games, tbf)




9 Chances to gain 2 points in ascending order of difficulty

1.   Fulham Home
2.   WBA  Away
3.   Birmingham Home
4.   Wolves Away
5.   Blackburn Away
6.   Man C Home
7.   Stoke Away
8.   Birmigham Away   (This season gained nil)
9.   Man C Away  (This season gained nil;  lost 1)


Net Gain/Loss This Season  = Minus 1



18 Games to avoid losing points in ascending order of difficulty

1.    Blackpool Home  (This season dropped all 3 points)
2.    WBA Home  (This season saved all 3 points)
3.    Wigan Home 
4.    West Ham Home
5.    Wolves Home
6.    Newcastle Home
7.    Bolton Home
8.    Blackburn Home  (This season saved all 3 points)
9.    Stoke Home
10.  West Ham Away
11.  Sunderland Home  (This season dropped 2 points)
12.  Bolton Away  (This season saved all 3 points)
13.  Spurs Home
14.  Newcastle Away
15.  Everton Home
16.  Villa Away
17.  Everton Away  (This season dropped all 3 points)
18.  MU Home


Net Gain/Loss So Far This Season From Last Season's Wins  = Minus 8  (Any point dropped a loss from these games, tbf)




20 Chances to gain some points in ascending order of difficulty

Rank    Fixture Possible Gain Actual Gain Possible Remaining Gain ........    .......... ........................... .......................................................... ...................................... 1.    Blackpool Away    Could Gain 1 or 3    (This season    ) 1 2.    Fulham Home  Could Gain 2    (This season    ) 3 3.    Wigan Away  Could Gain 1 or 3    (This season gained 1) - 4.    WBA  Away  Could Gain 2    (This season    ) 5 5.    Birmingham Home  Could Gain 2    (This season    ) 7 6.    Wolves Away  Could Gain 2    (This season    ) 9 7.    Villa Home Could Gain 1 or 3    (This season    ) 10 8.    Blackburn Away  Could Gain 2    (This season    ) 12 9.    Fulham Away  Could Gain 1 or 3    (This season    ) 13 10.    Sunderland Away  Could Gain 1 or 3    (This season    ) 14 11.    Man C Home  Could Gain 2    (This season    ) 16 12.    Stoke Away  Could Gain 2    (This season    ) 18 13.    Birmigham Away  Could Gain 2    (This season gained nil) - 14.    Man C Away    Could Gain 2    (This season gained nil;  lost 1) - 15.    Arsenal Home  Could Gain 1 or 3    (This season gained 1) - 16.    Spurs Away  Could Gain 1 or 3    (This season    ) 19 17.    Chelsea Home  Could Gain 1 or 3    (This season gained 3) - 18.    Arsenal Away    Could Gain 1 or 3    (This season    ) 20 19.    Chelsea Away  Could Gain 1 or 3    (This season    ) 21 20.    MU Away  Could Gain 1 or 3    (This season gained nil) -

Net Gain/Loss So Far This Season From These 20 Targets  = Plus 4


Last season, we got 54 points from our 18 wins, and 9 points from the 20 fixtures in the list above.


TARGET:  75 POINTS

At the start of the season, on the assumption we did no worse in any of the games we got points from last season,  then we would need to gain 12 points from the above list of 20 games to reach 75 points. 

If we improved last season's losses to draws, and last season's draws to wins, that would have meant improving in the first 9 games on the list (as far down as Biringham Fulham Away).

We have already dropped 4 points (net) compared to last season.  So that means that we would need to gain a total of 16 points from the 20 fixtures in that list in order to reach 75 points for the season.  That would be as far down as the 11th game on the list (Man C Home).   



Wigan was our third easiest target for a GAIN.  We achieved that target.  We only gained 1 point rather than all 3.  But a gain of 1 points was all that was required to keep in line with the targets described above.

[jDJ]

One day people will realise that when there is a bad result people discuss it more enthusiastically than when there is a good one and just get over it.

[bigreddog]

Positive: Kelly was again solid

Not sure if you seen the game but the guy on the left absolutely roasted him at least 3 or 4 times.  Makes Johnson look like the best defender on the planet

[astowell1]

Not really a mystery. There's always going to be more to discuss after a poor performance.

Yeah I never got the complaints about  poor performance post match threads being longer.  Its obvious that there is going to be more analysis on a negative showing.  Obviously you get the kneejerks too but technically you get them on the victory threads also. 

With the split opinion about Roy I am not suprised people dwell on bad results a bit more, always gonna happen I guess.

[Heighwayondawing]

Not sure if you seen the game but the guy on the left absolutely roasted him at least 3 or 4 times.  Makes Johnson look like the best defender on the planet

 

The question is, did YOU watch the match?

[GrkStav]

 

The question is, did YOU watch the match?

Well, Moses "roasted" him at least twice. Having said that, his much more seasoned, veteran LB counterpart was similarly roasted and beaten quite often, as well.

I think Kelly, even playing out of position, is a better defender than Johnson, but not by much. On the other hand, he's miles ahead of e.g. Degen, who couldn't/can't defend to save his life.

In all honesty, Darby, who offers not much going forward, is not much better, if at all, at straight-up defending than Kelly has been for us.

[RJH]

i find it funny how when Roy wins a game these threads are 20 pages tops, but when he draws, the drag on to 40.

mystery isn't it?

It's what always happens, nothing to do with Roy.

I believe until the whole ownership thing last month, the record high for people on RAWK came after we drew away at Wigan in 08/09.


Bad results always seem to attract more posts/posters than good results.

[Mad Men]

Not sure if you seen the game but the guy on the left absolutely roasted him at least 3 or 4 times.  Makes Johnson look like the best defender on the planet

And Konchesky had a better game at left back?

I thought Kelly did alright. He will improve and learn from this. His positioning and tackling is far better than Johnson and he commands headers very well in the air. He can only continue to improve.

We didn't lose the match and that's what's important.

[Mad Men]

Well, Moses "roasted" him at least twice. Having said that, his much more seasoned, veteran LB counterpart was similarly roasted and beaten quite often, as well.

I think Kelly, even playing out of position, is a better defender than Johnson, but not by much. On the other hand, he's miles ahead of e.g. Degen, who couldn't/can't defend to save his life.

In all honesty, Darby, who offers not much going forward, is not much better, if at all, at straight-up defending than Kelly has been for us.

He was "roasted" twice but we didn't pay from those crosses. Konchesky on the other hand..has been roasted consistently over the last 2 months and goals have been scored as a result....that and not standing on the fucking post against the Mancs.

I can think of at least 4 goals conceded from Konchesky's inability to stop crosses coming in because he sits off the winger and gives them all the time in the world to get a perfect cross in.

[Fanxxxxtastic]

i find it funny how when Roy wins a game these threads are 20 pages tops, but when he draws, the drag on to 40.

mystery isn't it?

You obviously haven't been around on here long enough or observed from afar, as this has been the norm for years on here.

[SmithdownAndy]

I still want to look on the bright side...

Roy is still a new manager. Rafa had had 6 years - including 6 years of Gerrard (aged 23 to 29) for no money.

Remember, this season has gone like this:
 
Won: 10
Drawn: 6
Lost: 5

3 of the 5 defeats were against Man City away, Man Utd away and Everton away (and you could call Northampton a draw). And - just to clutch at another straw! - Torres got injured after 9 minutes against Blackpool.

	Last season	This season
Won	46.4%	47.6%
Drawn	19.6%	28.6%
Lost	33.9%	23.8%

Statistics are wonderful, you can always choose them to suit yourself, as you say Rafa had 6 years, so why choose his worst year to back up your argument defending Roy, I bet if you chose his best year them stats would look different, you did exactly the same with the 11 game debacle when you picked out Rafas worst runs of games. I like to look at the wider picture, and use a broader spectrum of like statistics, not handpicked ones that you always seem to use, maybe this will give a better insight into the type of football we're playing at the moment, up to now in 12 league games this season we have yet to score more than 2 goals in any league game, how many times has this happened before?

Here's a list of the amount of times we scored more than 2 goals in our opening 12 league games in the 10 seasons before this one. 

10/11   0 Times - (Total Goals 13)
09/10   5 Times - (Total Goals 27)
08/09   3 Times - (Total Goals 19)
07/08   1 Time  -  (Total Goals 19)
06/07   2 Times - (Total Goals 16)
05/06   1 Time  -  (Total Goals 13)
04/05   4 Times - (Total Goals 20)
03/04   3 Times - (Total Goals 18)
02/03   3 Times - (Total Goals 25)
01/02   3 Times - (Total Goals 22)
00/01   6 Times - (Total Goals 23)

The only comparable season to this one for goals scored is 05/06 but that season we did have 22 points from 6 wins and 4 draws.

Once again Roy is bottom of the class when you compare like statistics over a period of years (and not just Rafa's worst periods).

Ganted results may have gotten better but it was from a pretty bad start that they have, they could hardly have gotten worse. Even given the improvement we're still at our lowest goals and points tally after the first 12 games in the last 11 years. Added to this the type of football we're playing is horrible to watch. I'll ask you this.. Can you see us scoring more than 2 goals in a game anytime soon? personally I can't, although I hope I'm wrong of course.

By the way I think my next lot of stats will be to do with total shots at goal in 12 games, average possesion in 12 games, but unlike you I'll take them over a peiod of years and not hand pick them, I'd wager money Roy will come bottom of the class again.

[GrkStav]

He was "roasted" twice but we didn't pay from those crosses. Konchesky on the other hand..has been roasted consistently over the last 2 months and goals have been scored as a result....that and not standing on the fucking post against the Mancs.

I can think of at least 4 goals conceded from Konchesky's inability to stop crosses coming in because he sits off the winger and gives them all the time in the world to get a perfect cross in.

Isn't that basically what I said? The fact that we didn't pay for it doesn't negate the fact that he was "roasted" by Moses. The fact that Konchesky was likewise roasted and more often puts Kelly's performance into perspective. It tells us that even while playing out of position, he's good enough as RB. Moses is a skillful speed merchant who would trouble many a seasoned, full time right back.

[Mad Men]

Isn't that basically what I said? The fact that we didn't pay for it doesn't negate the fact that he was "roasted" by Moses. The fact that Konchesky was likewise roasted and more often puts Kelly's performance into perspective. It tells us that even while playing out of position, he's good enough as RB. Moses is a skillful speed merchant who would trouble many a seasoned, full time right back.

Let's look at Gonzalez, a player Rafa signed who, albeit that on goal that got us qualified for the champions league in pre-season, was a total and utter waste. Great speed, great at running at defenders and beating them but when it came to the final cross or the final decision making process, failed.

Same with Moses though I do think Moses is a quality player who, you feel, could be a better player if he was in a top 5 side.

Life is life.

[Rednyte]

 

The question is, did YOU watch the match?

I agree, Kelly was very solid. Don't think he is ready to start every game but it would be nice to see Roy give him games in the Europa League to give him some experience.

[Alan_X]

I still want to look on the bright side...

Roy is still a new manager. Rafa had had 6 years - including 6 years of Gerrard (aged 23 to 29) for no money.

Remember, this season has gone like this:
 
Won: 10
Drawn: 6
Lost: 5

3 of the 5 defeats were against Man City away, Man Utd away and Everton away (and you could call Northampton a draw). And - just to clutch at another straw! - Torres got injured after 9 minutes against Blackpool.

	Last season	This season
Won	46.4%	47.6%
Drawn	19.6%	28.6%
Lost	33.9%	23.8%

Those ten wins include home and away wins against the mighty Rabotniki and Trabsonspor in the UEFA Cup, which distort the picture. I also don't see the point in comparing this season to last. If Rafa was sacked because last season was shit - who cares? How is Roy doing against 08/09?

[john_mac]

Not just the results mate it's the 1-9-1 formation, signings, press conferences. Just saying it's not only results.

Give me any formation, any signings & say anything you fucking like at press conferences, but give me the results in the Neu Camp, the Olympic Stadium, the San Siro & the Bernabau- most of all give me three points every weekend!

[Callaghan.]

Those ten wins include home and away wins against the mighty Rabotniki and Trabsonspor in the UEFA Cup, which distort the picture.

Yes, I know. I said I was clutching at straws!

I do strongly believe though that the abuse Hodgson's getting is too strong, the performances aren't that bad and that the bandwagon that the 'average Liverpool supporter' (or is it stronger on internet forums) is compounded by what I believe is called 'confirmation bias'. As I say, I'm trying to look on the bright side and I feel that if we had more of that approach (more of the approach that we would have if Rafa was still here and went through a bad patch), we could actually help the team to improve.

I actually like Hodgson's interviews for instance and, whilst I understand the main areas which are hard to justify, the way people are latching onto everything he says (and even Gerrard) is over the top and biased.

I also don't see the point in comparing this season to last. If Rafa was sacked because last season was shit - who cares? How is Roy doing against 08/09?

Now you're hand-picking the statistics you want to see!

All I want is a bit more balance and objectivity. Rafa wasn't that good and Hodgson isn't that bad. Or at least it's too early to tell about Hodgson.

I'm never going to get SmithdownAny to see why I'm comparing Rafa's bad runs to Roy's current run. Roy's run is all we've got to go on and I just want to show that Rafa had some bad runs too. That doesn't make this run acceptable, or make Roy as good - anywhere near - as Rafa, but it should in my opinion show that the abuse and prejudice is going too far.

I haven't got the stats for 12 games but as I posted elsewhere: There were at least 4 runs of 11 League games under Benítez that were worse than Hodgson's first League 11 games (and at least one other which matches them). I.e. 5 times in 6 seasons, Rafa had a run of 11 games which were as bad or worse than Hodgson's first 11 games.

(But, no, none of those poor runs happened in the 2008/09 season.)

[Mad Men]

Yes, I know. I said I was clutching at straws!

I do strongly believe though that the abuse Hodgson's getting is too strong, the performances aren't that bad and that the bandwagon that the 'average Liverpool supporter' (or is it stronger on internet forums) is compounded by what I believe is called 'confirmation bias'. As I say, I'm trying to look on the bright side and I feel that if we had more of that approach (more of the approach that we would have if Rafa was still here and went through a bad patch), we could actually help the team to improve.

I actually like Hodgson's interviews for instance and, whilst I understand the main areas which are hard to justify, the way people are latching onto everything he says (and even Gerrard) is over the top and biased.
Now you're hand-picking the statistics you want to see!

All I want is a bit more balance and objectivity. Rafa wasn't that good and Hodgson isn't that bad. Or at least it's too early to tell about Hodgson.

I'm never going to get SmithdownAny to see why I'm comparing Rafa's bad runs to Roy's current run. Roy's run is all we've got to go on and I just want to show that Rafa had some bad runs too. That doesn't make this run acceptable, or make Roy as good - anywhere near - as Rafa, but it should in my opinion show that the abuse and prejudice is going too far.

I haven't got the stats for 12 games but as I posted elsewhere: There were at least 4 runs of 11 League games under Benítez that were worse than Hodgson's first League 11 games (and at least one other which matches them). I.e. 5 times in 6 seasons, Rafa had a run of 11 games which were as bad or worse than Hodgson's first 11 games.

(But, no, none of those poor runs happened in the 2008/09 season.)

Sorry but read up some of tomkins recent articles and then start talking about who is biased and who isn't. The fact remains rafa has/had one of the best win records at the club (2nd I believe) compared to every manager we have had in the history of the club.

You can pick and choose stats but when it comes down to it, the win record is really anyone cares about.

Hodgson has the worst stats in the history of the club's management thus far.

[Spectre]

Sorry but read up some of tomkins recent articles and then start talking about who is biased and who isn't. The fact remains rafa has/had one of the best win records at the club (2nd I believe) compared to every manager we have had in the history of the club.

You can pick and choose stats but when it comes down to it, the win record is really anyone cares about.

Hodgson has the worst stats in the history of the club's management thus far.

The keyword here.

[paddypower]

Please don't respond to this muppet. He's having a week off to think about his posts.

Did you ban him for that?

If he did that's a bloody joke. The fellas only stating his opinion and he's not even being a tosser about it either. Was a pretty level headed and optimistic post, but I suppose the only things that should be posted are the following:

1. Poulsen is shite
2. Konchesky is shite
3. Roy is shite/great
4. Rafa is shite/great
5. Kelly>Johnson
6. No Pacheco?! Fuuuuu.
7. Buy Hazard, Turan and Mata
8. Drop Carragher so our defence will suddenly shift 15 yards up the pitch

etc etc.

[Marko B]

The keyword here.

And you expect, given the given the way we are playing as the norm rather than the exception, an extrapolation over a longer period to alter that miserable record?

[Marko B]

If he did that's a bloody joke. The fellas only stating his opinion and he's not even being a tosser about it either. Was a pretty level headed and optimistic post, but I suppose the only things that should be posted are the following:

1. Poulsen is shite
2. Konchesky is shite
3. Roy is shite/great
4. Rafa is shite/great
5. Kelly>Johnson
6. No Pacheco?! Fuuuuu.
7. Buy Hazard, Turan and Mata
8. Drop Carragher so our defence will suddenly shift 15 yards up the pitch

etc etc.

I think it was more him giving shite to and lecturing in a condescending manner longstanding, well respected, match going reds as opposed to his misguided assertions.

[Spectre]

And you expect, given the given the way we are playing as the norm rather than the exception, an extrapolation over a longer period to alter that miserable record?

Wait a minute , so fortunes NEVER change in Football? I like how you can predict the future based on what you've seen.

Me , i'd rather trust NESV to do the right thing and hope for the best , results wise.

[paddypower]

I think it was more him giving shite to and lecturing in a condescending manner longstanding, well respected, match going reds as opposed to his misguided assertions.

Can't say I've seen his other posts to be honest, just that one which didn't seem to be condescending to me. I can appreciate the difficulty in putting thoughts across in an acceptable manner though, as it's just words and no emotion it's hard to tell how someone is trying to come across.

[Marko B]

Wait a minute , so fortunes NEVER change in Football? I like how you can predict the future based on what you've seen.

Me , i'd rather trust NESV to do the right thing and hope for the best , results wise.

Fortunes do change but I'm afraid thus far there have been very few fortunes which have even been in our own hands. So far we have almost exclusively relied on the fact that the opposition have failed to take advantage of their dominance, and we have been dominated in almost every match we've played. By playing better than the opposition you give yourself the best chance of beating the said opposition. That's fact. If we were where we are and had been outplaying the teams we were pitted against I'd probably agree with those sentiments - but we're not so I won't.

Do the right thing and "hope for the best"? I'm sorry but whether it's football, business or any other pursuit running an enterprise by "hoping for the best" is a recipe for failure and a sign of incompetance. You have to pave that path to success not spinelessly live in hope. If you do that you may as well accept failure.

[Groundskeeper Willie]

Try watching the majority of our performances away from home last season in the league it speaks for itself

Sounds like you are the one who should do that. Or think about if playing poor attacking football and being dominated is the same thing.