Author Topic: Martin Kelly (Read 63520 times)

Get · « **Reply #720 on:** February 13, 2011, 12:36:10 PM »

Quote from: nicholasanthony on February 13, 2011, 12:33:05 PM

Agreed, was being sarcastic. He has probably been better defensively if anything. The fullbacks are both in fine form.

Sorry then mate xD agree, Since Kenny Took over our fullbacks have improved dramatically but I'm actually excited to see how it will be next season, Kelly will be right back that is almost impossible to be otherwise but what about glen? Will they keep him on the left or sell him and replace him?

Armand9 · « **Reply #721 on:** February 13, 2011, 12:41:20 PM »

Quote from: Ambrosia on February 12, 2011, 10:37:10 PM

Kelly needs to be played at CB imo. Skrtel and Carragher together are an abysmal partnership, both incredibly jittery. The best thing about Kelly, is how calm and collected he is. Playing him with either Carragher or Skrtel would have given us some composure in defence and allowed us to play Glen at RB.

He's doing so well I'm not sure it's wise to move him out of RB at this juncture. For one, keeping him at RB means we have an 'extra' (alongside CBs) tall lad who can defend set pieces, plus because of his size and heading ability he'll rarely get beat in the air from diagonal balls designed to put pressure on the RB position - a tactic many teams employ against backs, eg ashley cole, great leftback but can be got at in the air from diagonals into his position, bains the same etc

nicholasanthony · « **Reply #722 on:** February 13, 2011, 12:42:58 PM »

Quote from: Get on February 13, 2011, 12:36:10 PM

Sorry then mate xD agree, Since Kenny Took over our fullbacks have improved dramatically but I'm actually excited to see how it will be next season, Kelly will be right back that is almost impossible to be otherwise but what about glen? Will they keep him on the left or sell him and replace him?

Although it might limit him, I'd be interested to see him central paired with Agger with Glen at rightback and a quality left in there. Otherwise I could see it stay the way it is. I think Glen is still adjusting offensively with the position. His crossing from the left hasn't quite been right and he seems more reluctant to use his left than when he played right. I wouldn't put the full-back position high on the summer transfer priority though. Someone solid like Arbeloa who could fill in on either side would be nice though. A reliable ball playing central defender would be higher I think.

Borninbethlehem · « **Reply #723 on:** February 13, 2011, 12:45:04 PM »

Quote from: Get on February 13, 2011, 12:36:10 PM

Sorry then mate xD agree, Since Kenny Took over our fullbacks have improved dramatically but I'm actually excited to see how it will be next season, Kelly will be right back that is almost impossible to be otherwise but what about glen? Will they keep him on the left or sell him and replace him?

I can't see Johnson being sold and I can't see him being kept on the left as he hinders the attacks there.
Kelly can play centre back, so I see no reason him playing there next season with Johnson back on the right. I reckon Fabio Coentrao will be our new left back.

Johnson-----Kelly-----Agger/Skrtel-------Coentrao

However, I don't know if Kenny will think Kelly will be ready to be a permanent fixture at centre back as he is still inexperienced. One thing is for sure, I am looking forward to seeing what defenders we will buy in the summer!

Raoul Duke · « **Reply #724 on:** February 13, 2011, 12:52:51 PM »

I think he should be moved to the centre to partner Agger. We buy a quality, young left back like Coentrao or Cissokho in the Summer, and move Johnson back to right back. Konchesky is sold and Insua is brought back as left back cover. Carra and Kyrgiakos are phased out over the next couple of years, because of their age.

buzzing · « **Reply #725 on:** February 13, 2011, 03:02:14 PM »

And to think he's being played out of position lol

sattapaal · « **Reply #726 on:** February 13, 2011, 04:09:10 PM »

Quote from: Raoul Duke on February 13, 2011, 12:52:51 PM

I think he should be moved to the centre to partner Agger. We buy a quality, young left back like Coentrao or Cissokho in the Summer, and move Johnson back to right back. Konchesky is sold and Insua is brought back as left back cover. Carra and Kyrgiakos are phased out over the next couple of years, because of their age.

I agree longer term, CB is a better idea for Kelly. But at the moment, he's a boss RB, we should keep him there as no winger is getting past him.

I agree with your plan though, a LB or a commanding CB (which could be kelly) would improve our team. I'd phase out Carra, but sell/free Kyrgiakos.

Paul JH · « **Reply #727 on:** February 13, 2011, 06:30:16 PM »

Read a cracking thing today about Kelly. Something about sports writers all across Europe put together a team of the month at the end of every month, or a 'squad' (something like that).
The only English player to be picked, out of 60 players, on performances, average marks etc, was Kelly.

If this lad was playing for Arsenal or United, he'd be getting massaged by the press daily. I think he's been brilliant.

DTLFC92 · « **Reply #728 on:** February 13, 2011, 06:35:34 PM »

Really impressed me this season. Thought he was fantastic on his debut, nobody expected him to play against Lyon, but he was sensational. Just a shame he got those injuries last season, I'm sure he'd have played more. I have high hopes of this lad, think he could be a top player for us for a long time. He seems comfortable enough now.

TomDcs · « **Reply #729 on:** February 13, 2011, 06:48:13 PM »

One of our best players for us this season, agree with a few posts above. Kind of glad he's not getting too many plaudits outside the club to be honest.

scouse29 · « **Reply #730 on:** February 13, 2011, 07:00:21 PM »

I think i speak for everyone here but what a refreshing change to see a local lad come through the ranks and shove the england right back out of position. I see no reason why Johnson cant keep playing left back, i dont see why he would be that bothered about it? Makes no real odds at the end of the day.

greenstien · « **Reply #731 on:** February 13, 2011, 07:04:30 PM »

I think we'll buy a left back like Coentrao or Jose Enrique and move Johnson to Right Mid. I thought that it what they were looking to do in the January transfer window because we were looking at left backs and left wingers.

Siannn. · « **Reply #732 on:** February 13, 2011, 10:26:02 PM »

Only just seen his interview from after the Stoke game. He seems very mature

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx-aspghLIY

downtown · « **Reply #733 on:** February 13, 2011, 10:27:14 PM »

I ask this question again.

anyone else found it strange than in both games vs Wigan this season, he dealt better with NZogbia than Moses

quite strange

7777 · « **Reply #734 on:** February 13, 2011, 10:28:22 PM »

Quote from: downtown on February 13, 2011, 10:27:14 PM

I ask this question again.

anyone else found it strange than in both games vs Wigan this season, he dealt better with NZogbia than Moses

quite strange

Moses?

Tepid water · « **Reply #735 on:** February 13, 2011, 10:33:34 PM »

Quote from: 7777 on February 13, 2011, 10:28:22 PM

Moses?

Fuck it,

if he can part the fucking sea, he can part even Kennys defence.

He is probably the oldest player in the premiership though (apart from gigs obviously).

ShanksMcShankly · « **Reply #736 on:** February 13, 2011, 10:37:11 PM »

Very impressed with the quality of this kid! It's very hard to tell he's so young, great work ethic and has vision too. Hope to see more in the future. It's good to see the academy produce class players again.

Rooster · « **Reply #737 on:** February 13, 2011, 10:38:46 PM »

Certainly the best player to come through the academy in years and having a great first season but when the time is right, I'd like to see thid local lad moving into a central position and be a cornerstone the defence for years to come.

Always_A_Red · « **Reply #738 on:** February 13, 2011, 10:38:53 PM »

Quote from: scouse29 on February 13, 2011, 07:00:21 PM

I think i speak for everyone here but what a refreshing change to see a local lad come through the ranks and shove the england right back out of position. I see no reason why Johnson cant keep playing left back, i dont see why he would be that bothered about it? Makes no real odds at the end of the day.

The difference is that GJ is never going to be englands first choice LB because cashly cole will be. ATM, GJ is no1 right back, but if martin kelly continues to play the way he is, and GJ isnt playing in tha position week in week out, i cant see how capello can pick GJ for england at RB ahead of MK.

Brentie · « **Reply #739 on:** February 13, 2011, 10:39:47 PM »

And to think that if Roy Hodgson had his way, we'd have Luke fucking Young in our squad impeding this lad's progress.

Michigan Red · « **Reply #740 on:** February 13, 2011, 10:44:18 PM »

Quote from: Brentie on February 13, 2011, 10:39:47 PM

And to think that if Roy Hodgson had his way, we'd have Luke fucking Young in our squad impeding this lad's progress.

I think it was Hodgson's dream to field the most mediocre team he could.

Promised to never post on RAWK again · « **Reply #741 on:** February 13, 2011, 10:44:36 PM »

Quote from: Get on February 13, 2011, 12:36:10 PM

I'm actually excited to see how it will be next season, Kelly will be right back that is almost impossible to be otherwise but what about glen? Will they keep him on the left or sell him and replace him?

It is quite simple, actually ...

Carroll

Suarez Gerrard

Coentrao Meireles Lucas Johnson

Agger Skrtel Kelly

Reina

Midget · « **Reply #742 on:** February 13, 2011, 10:45:05 PM »

Quote from: Paul JH on February 13, 2011, 06:30:16 PM

Read a cracking thing today about Kelly. Something about sports writers all across Europe put together a team of the month at the end of every month, or a 'squad' (something like that).
The only English player to be picked, out of 60 players, on performances, average marks etc, was Kelly.

If this lad was playing for Arsenal or United, he'd be getting massaged by the press daily. I think he's been brilliant.

Intresting. Where did you read that?

redtel · « **Reply #743 on:** February 13, 2011, 10:45:49 PM »

Quote from: scouse29 on February 13, 2011, 07:00:21 PM

I think i speak for everyone here but what a refreshing change to see a local lad come through the ranks and shove the england right back out of position. I see no reason why Johnson cant keep playing left back, i dont see why he would be that bothered about it? Makes no real odds at the end of the day.

He will be when Kelly gets picked to play RB in the full England team.

Kenny's got a decision to make eventually as to what GJ's future position is.

Sean. · « **Reply #744 on:** February 13, 2011, 10:47:00 PM »

Quote from: Always_A_Red on February 13, 2011, 10:38:53 PM

The difference is that GJ is never going to be englands first choice LB because cashly cole will be. ATM, GJ is no1 right back, but if martin kelly continues to play the way he is, and GJ isnt playing in tha position week in week out, i cant see how capello can pick GJ for england at RB ahead of MK.

Not sure about that, Capello seems to play players in the position he sees right wherever they play for their club. Wilshere is a recent example of this. Who knows, he might see Kelly as a long term CB position just as he probably will with us as Carragher is slowly phased out. Either way this kid's got a really bright future ahead of him.

fowlerisgod4eva · « **Reply #745 on:** February 13, 2011, 10:47:32 PM »

He has been outstanding for us and fully deserves all te praise he gets, and I think he will become a fantastic center back and hopefully will form a good partnership with agger over the next 18 months, the only surprise to me was his omission from the full squad for england( although I know he would have withdrawn through injury he fully deserved the recognition of a call up)

Siannn. · « **Reply #746 on:** February 13, 2011, 10:47:50 PM »

Quote from: Midget on February 13, 2011, 10:45:05 PM

Intresting. Where did you read that?

Seconded. I'd love a link to this.

Gus 1855 · « **Reply #747 on:** February 13, 2011, 10:49:04 PM »

Quote from: downtown on February 13, 2011, 10:27:14 PM

I ask this question again.

anyone else found it strange than in both games vs Wigan this season, he dealt better with NZogbia than Moses

quite strange

I suspect it is down to a similar physique.

Kelly is pretty fast and very strong. If he comes up against a fast winger Kelly out-muscles him, if he comes up a big guy Kelly can outpace him.

Moses is both big and pretty quick, so there is no obvious solution.

robgomm · « **Reply #748 on:** February 13, 2011, 10:55:18 PM »

He really is under the radar at the minute. Kyle Walker got in the England squad but Kelly isn't mentioned right now. Maybe for the best. He was cracking against N'Zogbia, very impressive.

redy · « **Reply #749 on:** February 13, 2011, 11:00:08 PM »

Quote from: Paul JH on February 13, 2011, 06:30:16 PM

Read a cracking thing today about Kelly. Something about sports writers all across Europe put together a team of the month at the end of every month, or a 'squad' (something like that).
The only English player to be picked, out of 60 players, on performances, average marks etc, was Kelly.

If this lad was playing for Arsenal or United, he'd be getting massaged by the press daily. I think he's been brilliant.

No doubt about it. But if you give it some time I am sure even Kelly will get his share of the spotlight. Maybe United or Arsenal try and get him in the media spotlight and try to boost his confidence that way.

Mouseboy11 · « **Reply #750 on:** February 13, 2011, 11:02:49 PM »

Quote from: robgomm on February 13, 2011, 10:55:18 PM

He really is under the radar at the minute. Kyle Walker got in the England squad but Kelly isn't mentioned right now. Maybe for the best. He was cracking against N'Zogbia, very impressive.

Capello said that he is on his radar, hopefully he does get chosen because i think he deserves it, alot of people are still underrating him.

Danny_ · « **Reply #751 on:** February 13, 2011, 11:03:14 PM »

It's only a matter of time before he gets his first cap. I too have been really impressed with the lad. I agree that if he can play CB, we should throw him into that position. It's much more important to have a good CB than RB and while Johnson is doing okay at LB, you can see that it is seriously limiting his attacking play (i.e his attempt at crossing the ball with the outside of his right-foot against Wigan).

Visigoth33 · « **Reply #752 on:** February 13, 2011, 11:43:56 PM »

Quote from: robgomm on February 13, 2011, 10:55:18 PM

He really is under the radar at the minute. Kyle Walker got in the England squad but Kelly isn't mentioned right now. Maybe for the best. He was cracking against N'Zogbia, very impressive.

The last thing I want to see is the media having a wank fest over kelly like wilshere does,I prefer him to bid his time and learn his trade under King Kenny.

Artisten · « **Reply #753 on:** February 13, 2011, 11:49:34 PM »

I think Kelly should stay at RB for some time, and gain experience that way. In time, he will be good enough to play CB, but for now, RB is his place in the team!

USC19Babel · « **Reply #754 on:** February 14, 2011, 12:31:36 AM »

Quote from: Visigoth33 on February 13, 2011, 11:43:56 PM

The last thing I want to see is the media having a wank fest over kelly like wilshere does,I prefer him to bid his time and learn his trade under King Kenny.

Wilshere isn't exactly wilting in the limelight though.

YayaP · « **Reply #755 on:** February 14, 2011, 12:33:10 AM »

Quote from: Danny_ on February 13, 2011, 11:03:14 PM

It's only a matter of time before he gets his first cap. I too have been really impressed with the lad. I agree that if he can play CB, we should throw him into that position. It's much more important to have a good CB than RB and while Johnson is doing okay at LB, you can see that it is seriously limiting his attacking play (i.e his attempt at crossing the ball with the outside of his right-foot against Wigan).

Everyone is clamoring for him to move to CB. But, he is just such a great crosser of the ball, has some pace, and is so athletic. I just think he is such an asset out there.

Alonso_The_Assassin · « **Reply #756 on:** February 14, 2011, 12:39:46 AM »

Quote from: robgomm on February 13, 2011, 10:55:18 PM

He really is under the radar at the minute. Kyle Walker got in the England squad but Kelly isn't mentioned right now. Maybe for the best. He was cracking against N'Zogbia, very impressive.

Yeah, absolute joke. Kelly has been immense for us. His time in the England set isn't too far away at all.

As for centre half talk. I'd keep him at right back for the time being. It's his spot to lose now.

Another Red · « **Reply #757 on:** February 14, 2011, 12:59:29 AM »

This kid impresses me more and more every time I see him. One of the best young English defenders to emerge in years but not many seem aware of it. Couldn't come at a better time for us or England with the imminent phasing out of Carragher, Ferdinand etc.

crackerbox · « **Reply #758 on:** February 14, 2011, 01:37:39 PM »

love this fella

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/228709/An-English-name-to-remember/

Paul JH · « **Reply #759 on:** February 14, 2011, 01:41:18 PM »

Quote from: Midget on February 13, 2011, 10:45:05 PM

Intresting. Where did you read that?

Quote from: Siannn. on February 13, 2011, 10:47:50 PM

Seconded. I'd love a link to this.

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/228709/An-English-name-to-remember/