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A way better thread  :wave

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Type your lists with the best 10 coaches of the decade and leave stats for mathematicians

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Re: The World‘s Best Coach of the 1st Decade (2001-2010) according to RAWK
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2010, 07:00:49 pm »
Diego Armando Maradona surely has to be there somewhere.

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Re: The World‘s Best Coach of the 1st Decade (2001-2010) according to RAWK
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2010, 07:02:46 pm »
Mourinho
Ferguson
Benitez
Wenger
Del Bosque
Hiddink
Ancelotti
Hodgson
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Re: The World‘s Best Coach of the 1st Decade (2001-2010) according to RAWK
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2010, 03:33:12 pm »
Ancelloti for me.

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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2010, 03:40:56 pm »
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Re: The World‘s Best Coach of the 1st Decade (2001-2010) according to RAWK
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2010, 03:55:34 pm »
Ferguson

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Re: The World‘s Best Coach of the 1st Decade (2001-2010) according to RAWK
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2010, 04:17:45 am »
Winner is Mourinho by quite a distance.
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Re: The World‘s Best Coach of the 1st Decade (2001-2010) according to RAWK
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2010, 04:53:24 am »
A way better thread  :wave

Suggestions?

Type your lists with the best 10 coaches of the decade and leave stats for mathematicians

In no order:

Capello
Benitez
Mourinho
Ancelotti
Spalletti
van Gaal
Del Bosque
Lippi
Hitzfeld
Wenger
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Re: The World‘s Best Coach of the 1st Decade (2001-2010) according to RAWK
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2010, 04:55:23 am »
As much as I hate to say it, Ferguson must be in that list somewhere.
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Re: The World‘s Best Coach of the 1st Decade (2001-2010) according to RAWK
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2010, 05:01:10 am »
2001 to 2010? I don't think so, if you said the 90s you'd have an argument.
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Re: The World‘s Best Coach of the 1st Decade (2001-2010) according to RAWK
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2010, 05:12:57 am »
1. Rafa
2. Ferguson
3. Del Bosque
4. Mourinho
5. Lippi
6. Ancelotti
7. Capello
8. Hitzfeld
9. Van Gaal
10. Guardiola

Ferguson won three Leagues and a CL in this decade, he has to be in.
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Re: The World‘s Best Coach of the 1st Decade (2001-2010) according to RAWK
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2010, 05:14:20 am »
Ronaldo won three Leagues and a CL in this decade, he has to be in.
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Re: The World‘s Best Coach of the 1st Decade (2001-2010) according to RAWK
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2010, 05:15:40 am »
Absolute bollocks mate, I might as well leave out Rafa then cos Stevie G won everything for him.
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Re: The World‘s Best Coach of the 1st Decade (2001-2010) according to RAWK
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2010, 05:18:18 am »
1. Del Bosque
2. Mourinho
3. Ferguson
4. Guardiola
5. Ancelotti
6. Rafa
7. Hitzfeld
8. Lippi
9. Van Gaal
10. Capello

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Re: The World‘s Best Coach of the 1st Decade (2001-2010) according to RAWK
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2010, 05:20:17 am »
In your opinion. Ferguson, in my opinion, has become incredibly reliant on players who can bully the opposition.
His tactics have left a lot to be desired and his style of trying to overpower teams is limited by the ability of his players.

Ronaldo was a fucking Godsend for him, he was the Robocop of football. We performed without Gerrard. Barcelona can compensate for the likes of Messi. Even Real Madrid could do without the odd star player. But once Ronaldo was out of the side, United looked ordinary.

Ferguson couldn't adapt, a top manager does what he can on the day. Ferguson just exudes an arrogance that smells of 'I ought to win because of who I am' but honestly, when did you last see him win a tactical battle? It's rare that it happens and United got found out in Europe so much because of his limitations. He's a good manager and one of the greatest, but he's a shit man and an average tactician. He got lucky with Ronaldo, without him he wouldn't have won the CL.
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Re: The World‘s Best Coach of the 1st Decade (2001-2010) according to RAWK
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2010, 05:27:33 am »
Gerrard scored two goals in that competition proper. Yes, his goals were important but you can't say if we had someone else in there instead of him the competition would've panned out that way.
Who knows, maybe we would've defended better against Olympiakos and Milan and not conceded.

But that season, even without Gerrard we performed well. IIRC he got injured against United and we were without him for a month.
We had to rely on Igor against Deportivo.

Rafa had a way of getting the best out of the collective on the night. Without Ronaldo in a big game, could you honestly say the same about Ferguson?
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Re: The World‘s Best Coach of the 1st Decade (2001-2010) according to RAWK
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2010, 05:31:07 am »
That's an argument for placing Rafa ahead of Ferguson, but not for leaving Ferguson out of the list entirely. You even have Wenger in there even though he's won comparatively fuck all.
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Re: The World‘s Best Coach of the 1st Decade (2001-2010) according to RAWK
« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2010, 05:37:40 am »
Wenger's been competitive while they've focused on building the stadium, as well as coaching the 'Invincibles'.
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Re: The World‘s Best Coach of the 1st Decade (2001-2010) according to RAWK
« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2010, 06:15:08 am »
1. Mourinho
2. Benitez
3. Ancelotti
4. Ferguson
5. Del Bosque
6. van Gaal
7. Otto Rehhagel
8. Wenger/Capello
9. Scolari
10. Lippi
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Re: The World‘s Best Coach of the 1st Decade (2001-2010) according to RAWK
« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2010, 06:16:56 am »
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Re: The World‘s Best Coach of the 1st Decade (2001-2010) according to RAWK
« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2010, 06:28:11 am »
- Mourinho
- Ferguson
- Ancelotti
- Del Bosque
- Wenger
- Rafa
- Lippi
- Scolari
- Rijkaard
- Guardiola


- last 4 include solely because of the fact that they won CL/WC and that's what matters in the end.

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Re: The World‘s Best Coach of the 1st Decade (2001-2010) according to RAWK
« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2010, 06:31:14 am »
Ferguson
Wenger
Mourinho
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Capello
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Re: The World‘s Best Coach of the 1st Decade (2001-2010) according to RAWK
« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2010, 07:07:12 am »
Bit of a strange time frame.

I think Ferguson, del Bosque and Mourinho would definitely be the front runners, with Benitez and Ancelotti just behind. A lot of people write off Mourinho because of the resources he has had at his disposal at Chelsea and then at Inter, but his record simply can't be ignored, it's pretty phenomonal. 7 league titles in 3 different countries, 2 European Cup's with 2 different clubs, a UEFA Cup, unbeaten at home in 8 years or something ridiculous like that (with 3 different clubs in 3 different countries) and numerous other trophies too. All of that in the space of 9 years, and to counter the argument that he can only have success with an open cheque book, you only need to look at what he did with Porto; winning the UEFA Cup and then the Champions League in successive seasons with a team who have a relatively modest budget in comparison to the likes of Manchester United and Real Madrid. It'd be pretty petty not to put him near the very top at least.

It'd also be petty not to put Ferguson up there. Four league titles and a Champions League (plus a runners-up spot) says that you do. To say that Ronaldo won everything for them is a little silly too, especially as he helped develop him into the player he became after signing from Sporting to replace Beckham.

Of the rest, del Bosque has to be in there for winning both a European Cup and a World Cup (as well as a La Liga title), whilst Benitez (we all know his achievements) and Ancelotti (1 Serie A, 1 Premiership and 2 European Cups) are both in there too. There is an argument to say that Benitez is the best to be fair; he managed a Valencia side that didn't have anywhere near the same resources as Barca and Real Madrid (and inherited a side that had lost a lot of key players following a season in which they reached the Champions League final) to 2 La Liga's and a UEFA Cup, whilst we know what he did in 2005 with what was a largely modest set of Liverpool players.

It becomes more difficult after those five though. Some have said Guardiola, but it's difficult to know just how much managerial acumen actually goes into managing a Barcelona side possessing so much talent in the squad. He did play his part in unifying the squad once more and rejuvinating the side, but the side he inherited was largely built by Rijkaard, who took over at a difficult period for Barca and moulded them into the finest footballing team in Europe, with the help of Ronaldinho, Eto'o and co. So for that reason, I'd put Rijkaard ahead of Pep.

Wenger needs to be included too I think, despite his recent trophy drought. He produced the finest attacking side this country has seen since the great Liverpool team of the late 80s and won two titles along the way, as well as reaching a CL final. He's also working on a relatively modest budget too and his been for the best part of the decade, so he commands a place in the top ten.

For the final three places, I've gone with Louis van Gaal, Marcello Lippi and Fabio Capello. van Gaal has won titles in Germany and the Netherlands and has done so playing good football, whilst Lippi's success with Italy in 2006 puts him in there, and Capello who won titles in Italy in Spain. There were a few other candidates but there are too many question marks hanging over Mancini, whose record at Inter would ordinarily put him in there, but the match fixing scandal means his titles with Inter have to be weighted against the circumstances. I mentioned Pep before and why I haven't included him, but there's also Paul le Guen, who won successive titles with Lyon but failed with Rangers; Manuel Pellegrini, who produced some brilliant footballing sides during the decade but didn't manage to win a trophy of note; Scolari, who failed at Chelsea despite his achievements with Brazil and Portugal; Hiddink and Eriksson, who despite his failings did manage to get the very best out of the England team for a good few years. Honourable mentions to Renhagel, Hitzfeld and Didier Deschamps too.

1. Mourinho
2. Ferguson
3. Benitez
4. del Bosque
5. Ancelotti
6. Rijkaard
7. Wenger
8. van Gaal
9. Capello
10. Lippi
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Re: The World‘s Best Coach of the 1st Decade (2001-2010) according to RAWK
« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2010, 07:10:14 am »
Del Bosque is the best. Hes the only one who won a CL and world cup
Schteve McLaren could have won with that Spanish team.

I dont know about a 10 but my 5 in no particular order would be: Mourinho, Ferguson, Benitez, Capello and Pellegrini. What Pellegrini was able to do with Villarreal was kinda remarkable..even without a trophy haul like the others.

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« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2010, 07:19:04 am »
Schteve McLaren could have won with that Spanish team.

I dont know about a 10 but my 5 in no particular order would be: Mourinho, Ferguson, Benitez, Capello and Pellegrini. What Pellegrini was able to do with Villarreal was kinda remarkable..even without a trophy haul like the others.

Take a look at the Real Madrid managers before and after del Bosque's reign; what they won and how long they lasted and how much the club spent. It becomes clear just how well he managed a dressing room with such enormous egos and such demanding fans and such a demanding board, it's not just about that World Cup. You have a cse about Pellegrini; they played such good football and for a side the size of Villarreal to compete with the big boys in the way that they did is a remarkable achievement.
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Re: The World‘s Best Coach of the 1st Decade (2001-2010) according to RAWK
« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2010, 08:08:51 am »
1. Rafa
2. Ferguson
3. Del Bosque
4. Mourinho
5. Lippi
6. Ancelotti
7. Capello
8. Hitzfeld
9. Van Gaal
10. Guardiola

Ferguson won three Leagues and a CL in this decade, he has to be in.

Rafa above Mourinho? Yea, right.
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Re: The World‘s Best Coach of the 1st Decade (2001-2010) according to RAWK
« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2010, 09:09:12 am »
del Bosque, Mourinho, Ferguson, Wenger, Ancelotti, Rijkaard, Benitez, in that order

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Re: The World‘s Best Coach of the 1st Decade (2001-2010) according to RAWK
« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2010, 09:47:04 am »
Mourinho. Two European Cups, League Cups, an FA Cup, two league titles. Serie A titles, Italian cups, Portugese titles.

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Re: The World‘s Best Coach of the 1st Decade (2001-2010) according to RAWK
« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2010, 09:54:17 am »
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Re: The World‘s Best Coach of the 1st Decade (2001-2010) according to RAWK
« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2010, 10:24:02 am »
Gerrard scored two goals in that competition proper. Yes, his goals were important but you can't say if we had someone else in there instead of him the competition would've panned out that way.
Who knows, maybe we would've defended better against Olympiakos and Milan and not conceded.

But that season, even without Gerrard we performed well. IIRC he got injured against United and we were without him for a month.
We had to rely on Igor against Deportivo.

Rafa had a way of getting the best out of the collective on the night. Without Ronaldo in a big game, could you honestly say the same about Ferguson?
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Re: The World‘s Best Coach of the 1st Decade (2001-2010) according to RAWK
« Reply #31 on: October 24, 2010, 10:29:53 am »
Redknapp
Hodgson
Kinnear
Allardyce
Pulis

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Re: The World‘s Best Coach of the 1st Decade (2001-2010) according to RAWK
« Reply #32 on: October 24, 2010, 11:43:26 am »
Redknapp
Hodgson
Kinnear
Allardyce
Pulis

Easily top 5 of all time
Pulis doesn't belong in that lot to be fair, he's a decent enough bloke. Chuck Mick Mac in there instead.
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Re: The World‘s Best Coach of the 1st Decade (2001-2010) according to RAWK
« Reply #33 on: October 24, 2010, 12:05:27 pm »
wonder how many fans of other teams would have Rafa in their top 10?

Dont get me wrong, I adore the bloke.

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Re: The World‘s Best Coach of the 1st Decade (2001-2010) according to RAWK
« Reply #34 on: October 24, 2010, 12:23:22 pm »
wonder how many fans of other teams would have Rafa in their top 10?

Dont get me wrong, I adore the bloke.

Fans of other teams only know about Rafa from his portrayal in the media, so none of them.
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Re: The World‘s Best Coach of the 1st Decade (2001-2010) according to RAWK
« Reply #35 on: October 24, 2010, 12:23:39 pm »
2 Champions League titles and a number of domestic league titles so for me, Mourinho.

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Re: The World‘s Best Coach of the 1st Decade (2001-2010) according to RAWK
« Reply #36 on: October 24, 2010, 12:29:04 pm »
Can we put forward national team managers?

What Loew has done for Germany is pretty impressive considering where they were headed before his involvement. He's not going to win this poll but I think he deserves recognition.

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« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2010, 12:30:26 pm »
Can we put forward national team managers?

What Loew has done for Germany is pretty impressive considering where they were headed before his involvement.

I think everything that has been reported about the German revival indicates that it was a big, joint effort from all the clubs and a number of individuals.

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Re: The World‘s Best Coach of the 1st Decade (2001-2010) according to RAWK
« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2010, 01:12:38 pm »
1. Guardiola

His Barcelona played the best football I have seen in the past decade. 
He may have only been managing since 2007 but in that time he has achieved the highest La Liga points total, and become the first person to do the Spanish treble of La Liga, Champions League, and Copa Del Rey.  Add a World Club Championship, Super Cup and Spanish Super Cup in the same season.  Then add on another La Liga and another Spanish Super Cup and you have his trophies in the space of only 2 seasons.

The style his team plays is the pinnacle that all managers should aim for, great style and deadly execution.  Guardiola dismantled Riijkaard's team of in-fighters - shipping out the likes of Ronaldinho in controversial circumstances and brought through youngsters like Pedro and Busquets.  The risk paid off.

2. Jose Mourinho

Hate the man but you can't argue with results.  2 European Cups - one with Porto.  In the 3 teams he has been at he has been a huge success.  He looks to be continuing that with Madrid now.  If you need to win trophies hire Mourinho.

3. Alex Ferguson

Hate this twat even more.  Since 2001: 1 European Cup, 5 league titles, 1 FA Cup, 3 League Cups, 4 Charity Shields, and the worthless Fifa World Club Cup.  That's why this knob is 3rd.

4. Carlo Ancelotti

2 Champions League titles, 3 finals, 1 Serie A, and an Italian cup makes Ancelotti look good.  To go to Chelsea and immediately take a 3rd place team and turn them into unbeatable was exceptional as it stands he already looks set to do it again and it's only October.  He combines the winning mentality of Mourinho with a good style of football and is a likeable man.

5. Arsene Wenger

During the first part of the decade Wenger was a machine.  He would go out, buy and sell, and time everything in the transfer market spectacularly (selling Anelka for 30 million, buying Henry).  His team combined absolute skill in Bergkamp with powerful and at times nasty bastards like Vieira.  Going an entire Premier League season unbeaten is something we are unlikely to see again in our lives and the passing that his team showed was a breath of fresh air coming off the back of a decade of kick and rush football.  Unfortunately Wenger became obsessed with trying to build a team from age 15 upwards, it yielded dividends in the likes of Fabregas and soon Wilshere but with players like Eboue, Song, Diaby they can't replicate the Pires and Ljunberg types they once had.

6. Rafa Benitez

In the period from 2001 to 2010 only 3 teams have won La Liga.  The only times that La Liga was not won by Real or Barca in this period the team was managed by Rafa Benitez, and he did it twice.  Combined with his UEFA Cup win in 2004 Rafa would make about #10 in this list, but to go on and win the Champions League in his first season at Liverpool, win the FA Cup in his next and managing to get a team run by cowboys their highest Premier League total and within touching distance of a title means Rafa deserves respect.

7. Vicente Del Bosque

Del Bosque hasn't won much in comparison with others in this list but what he did win were significant.  Spain's first World Cup, La Liga, and the Champions league for Real, he is one of the few managers who can bridge the national and club gap.  Despite one wayward season in Turkey his record remains almost untarnished.

8. Guus Hiddink

Hiddink is the man who gets teams punching above their weight.  Guiding PSV to a Champions League semi, South Korea to a World Cup semi final, Russia to the European Championships semi, winning 3 league titles with PSV, a Dutch Cup, and an FA Cup with Chelsea Hiddink brings improvement wherever he goes.

9. Fabio Capello

Unfortunately for Capello his best period in the last decade is tarnished by the fact that the team he was managing was destined to win whether Fabio Capello, or me, was in charge. It still doesn't stop the titles he won at Roma or Real counting to his esteemed record.

10. Otto Rehhagel

If your work as football manager can win you the title of "Greek of the Year", despite the fact you're German, then you've done something special.
To take a 150-1 shot and win the European Championships may be Rehhagel's only achievement in the past year but his Greek team did it through good organisation and tactics.  Rehhagel represents what a good manager should be, somebody who can take a team that shouldn't win a match and come out on top.  It may have been one summer in 10 years but there are fewer managers who have took a side so poor and won a trophy so important.

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Re: The World‘s Best Coach of the 1st Decade (2001-2010) according to RAWK
« Reply #39 on: October 25, 2010, 05:11:30 pm »
wonder how many fans of other teams would have Rafa in their top 10?

Dont get me wrong, I adore the bloke.

They'd be ignorant if they didn't. You only need to look at the bare facts; 2 La Liga's, a Champions League title (and another final) and a UEFA Cup cements his place in there.
How come Aquilani wasn't in the squad today?

Solving the drought in East Africa with his fancy flicks.