Topic: Alan Hansen...

[Barney_Rubble]

is a Liverpool legend.

He is more than entitled to his view and it's fine to disagree with it.

The fact that he holds a different view to you does not make him any of the disgusting, hysterical things some users have been calling him.

Just know that he knows a great deal more about the situation in recent months and years than anyone in here.

And know also that excessive abuse of this Liverpool legend will earn you a ban, either temporary or permanent.

Calm down and THINK CAREFULLY before you post. It might be your last........


AND IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THIS

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=263652.0

READ IT NOW AND ACT ACCORDINGLY.

[Chakan]

What did he say?

[cox3100]

have i missed something here?


whos been slating hansen?

[Kashinoda]

have i missed something here?


whos been slating hansen?

Was on the beeb saying Rafa had spunked loads of money on worthless players, and H and G gave him lots to spend.

People been flaming on the Sky email thread.

[Finn Solomon]

Must have missed it as well.

I'm certainly not going to abuse him, but he's wrong as hell that the club's problems were all Rafa's fault. We routinely call out Lawrenson, Whelan, Redknapp etc. on their own ill-informed and misguided comments, and this should be no different.

[johnybarnes]

Came out spouting shite about our main gripe being the spade in the ground after 60 days and there was plenty of money to spend.

Out of touch - Ignorant of facts.

[Bob Loblaw]

One of the few you'd expect to know better. Sad times.

I mean, i think Rafa bought pretty poorly in his last few windows, net spend or not, but to put our financial troubles on that, or to even suggest that he was given lots of money to spend is just laughable.

[Chakan]

Well I disagree strongly with that and I have facts to back up my argument. I would like to see what facts he has to back up his?

[drpepe]

Was on the beeb saying Rafa had spunked loads of money on worthless players, and H and G gave him lots to spend.

I heard him this morning and he said that "the  Benitez years were bad years for liverpool"

I have to assume he's talking about 09/10, as imo until then the Benitez years were our best for 2 decades

[cox3100]

i think 2 many people believe what is written in the papers and spouted on sly sports.



millions of reds cant be wrong,can we?

[rossipersempre]

If that's true, then I'm massively disappointed in him. Always had him down as highly intelligent bloke, and as one of Kenny's best mates you think he'd know better.

[IrishDave]

But he was talking bollocks. Are we not allowed to say that he was talking bollocks?

He was perpetuating a media myth about the fact that Benitez is pretty much solely to blame for the club's current on-field woes.

Maybe some people have been a bit over the top but if a former player is talking out his arse we should be able to say so no matter how much of a legend he is. I was very disappointed watching him on Football Focus this afternoon.

[drpepe]

If that's true, then I'm massively disappointed in him. Always had him down as highly intelligent bloke, and as one of Kenny's best mates you think he'd know better.

is not the first time

he has been fairly consistent on who to blame since rafa was sacked

[Hannibal]

This wasn't some random story printed in the press where there might be some misunderstanding, it was live on radio.

[hide5seek]

Must have missed it as well.

I'm certainly not going to abuse him, but he's wrong as hell that the club's problems were all Rafa's fault. We routinely call out Lawrenson, Whelan, Redknapp etc. on their own ill-informed and misguided comments, and this should be no different.

Yeah but he said no abuse not you couldn't call him out mate. Though it is annoying this thread hasn't been started for say Whelan who has had more than enough abuse thrown at him.

[amarjahangir]

He is correct, rafa did waste a load of average players but is incorrect about h and g giving loads to spend, maybe he was on about the gross spend and not net?

regardless, this thread is spot on, it seems some users seem to wait for one person to slag of hansen to protect their love for our ex manager, a mod did nothing about it and eventually loads of people joined in.

[surfer. Fuck you generator.]

 

Is Alan Hansen Barney Rubble's favourite player?

He most certainly is not in a position to know better than any fan who actually bothers to look up our spending figures on lfchistory, for example. If he did none of this would exist.

[Paul JH]

This needed to be said, and I'm glad it has been. One of the few things to come out of the last few months / years is the increasingly over the top reactions to everything by some sections of our support, and on RAWK it's been evident too, and I hope now we can get back to the football and every single thing that happens or is said isn't reacted to in the way some hysterical people in here have been reacting.

[amarjahangir]

Is Alan Hansen Barney Rubble's favourite player?

He most certainly is not in a position to know better than any fan who actually bothers to look up our spending figures on lfchistory, for example. If he did none of this would exist.

Clearly you did not read this thread, THE POINT IS NOT ABOUT HANSEN BEING WRONG. The point is about respecting ex red legends for having a different opinion from you.

[Shabby]

Don't forget a couple weeks ago when he said that fans should stop protesting.

We should be allowed to criticize him without abuse. What he's doing is far more damaging than what we're doing, anonymously on an internet forum.
 

[Veinticinco de Mayo]

Barney he is entitled to an opinion. He is not entitled to get basic facts wrong, which is what he did. Legend or not.
Still love him to his boots like.

[amarjahangir]

Barney he is entitled to an opinion. He is not entitled to get basic facts wrong, which is what he did. Legend or not.
Still love him to his boots like.

I will admit I have not seen his interview but did he mention the net spend of rafa being huge or was he talking about gross?

[hoonin]

But he was talking bollocks. Are we not allowed to say that he was talking bollocks?

Of course you can. Barney made it pretty clear what to swerve though:

"The fact that he holds a different view to you does not make him any of the disgusting, hysterical things some users have been calling him."

"And know also that excessive abuse of this Liverpool legend will earn you a ban, either temporary or permanent."

[surfer. Fuck you generator.]

Clearly you did not read this thread, THE POINT IS NOT ABOUT HANSEN BEING WRONG. The point is about respecting ex red legends for having a different opinion from you.

Meh, I have no respect for people who are wrong on something that can be determined with basic effort. Legend or not. I haven't said a word on this latest Hansen thing by the way, probably inured to the bull by now.

[Jokerman]

I hate the stick that some of our ex-players recieve on internet forums because they air an opinion that is different to the apparent recieved wisdom on said forums. Even if it's not a particularly well thought out opinion, it's just an opinion and they're just doing their jobs; peoples reactions are sometimes far too whiney. By all means point out where they're wrong, but there's no need to be so childish and defensive about it.

[Barney_Rubble]

He's in a better position to know than anyone on here.

And no doubt in a better postion to know than Redknapp, Lawro etc.

There's no excuse for subjecting him to the same kind of abuse that Hicks and Gillet have been subject to.

Include Kenny Dalglish in that too. Yes, I have seen it......

[cox3100]

Of course you can. Barney made it pretty clear what to swerve though:

"The fact that he holds a different view to you does not make him any of the disgusting, hysterical things some users have been calling him."

"And know also that excessive abuse of this Liverpool legend will earn you a ban, either temporary or permanent."

what about collymore can we still call him names and abuse him,please
















 

[amarjahangir]

Meh, I have no respect for people who are wrong on something that can be determined with basic effort. Legend or not. I haven't said a word on this latest Hansen thing by the way, probably inured to the bull by now.

By respect the thread creator means not calling him vulgar names

A simple post of

"I think hansen totally got his fact mixed up or he is just simply wrong on this issue" something posted like that would be better rather than him being called offensive names bud

[Paul JH]

Barney he is entitled to an opinion. He is not entitled to get basic facts wrong, which is what he did. Legend or not.

Exactly right. You would think he would present a balanced view.
But not sure he deserves to be a target of 'email campaigns' as is now going on today, anytime anyone opens their mouth on the subject of Liverpool to educate him either though?

[Bob Loblaw]

He's in a better position to know than anyone on here.

Well why is he chatting shite then?

[Finn Solomon]

Clearly you did not read this thread, THE POINT IS NOT ABOUT HANSEN BEING WRONG. The point is about respecting ex red legends for having a different opinion from you.

Not bothering to get the simplest details right isn't the same thing as having a different opinion.

Gonna agree with surfer here, will tune him out from now on.

[Chakan]

Exactly right. You would think he would present a balanced view.
But not sure he deserves to be a target of 'email campaigns' as is now going on today, anytime anyone opens their mouth on the subject of Liverpool to educate him either though?

But surely if he is in a better position to know whats going he shouldn't need "Educating" ? Unless we all have our facts completely wrong?

[Barney_Rubble]

Well if he's got his facts wrong it's simple enough to say so without resorting to dogs abuse, is it not?

He's not the enemy.

[bleedsred1978]

It's going to take a while for some of our Internet Warriors to adjust to civilian life

[Captain-Carra]

Agree that he doesn't need abusing.

Sad that he's got basic facts completely wrong and is deciding to stick the knife in to Benitez

[SP]

Surely this is just restating standard RAWK policy. I imagine the words were chosen carefully. "Excessive Abuse". If he says something that is wrong, it is fine to be called out on it, but he deserves basic respect for years of loyal service to the club. The same basic respect that all players deserve unless they do something fairly drastic. It is possible to refute someone's argument whilst respecting them. Alan Hansen deserves that courtesy.

I would agree that Collymore has forfeited any respect he may have accrued in his time as a player.

[Shabby]

I hate the stick that some of our ex-players recieve on internet forums because they air an opinion that is different to the apparent recieved wisdom on said forums. Even if it's not a particularly well thought out opinion, it's just an opinion and they're just doing their jobs; peoples reactions are sometimes far too whiney. By all means point out where they're wrong, but there's no need to be so childish and defensive about it.

If ex-players were offering their opinions on internet forum there wouldn't be any complaining. The fact that their views are heard by millions and are very influential among the fan base is why we get whiny. They should be held accountable for what they say, but they never are. Ignorance of the facts are inexcusable especially by a former captain. His comments today and few weeks ago regarding the protesting undermine the support.

[43 and counting!]

get it wrong..

''wrong  (rông, rng)
adj.
1. Not in conformity with fact or truth; incorrect or erroneous.
2.
a. Contrary to conscience, morality, or law; immoral or wicked.
b. Unfair; unjust.
3. Not required, intended, or wanted: took a wrong turn.
4. Not fitting or suitable; inappropriate or improper: said the wrong thing.
5. Not in accord with established usage, method, or procedure: the wrong way to shuck clams.
6. Not functioning properly; out of order.
7. Unacceptable or undesirable according to social convention.
8. Designating the side, as of a garment, that is less finished and not intended to show: socks worn wrong side out.''

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/get+wrong

well, shuck my fucking clams!

[vicgill]

Clearly you did not read this thread, THE POINT IS NOT ABOUT HANSEN BEING WRONG. The point is about respecting ex red legends for having a different opinion from you.

I didn't really want to post in this thread, Alan Hansen has always had my respect, he was a great servant of our club. But I could't resist, reading that post. We are not talking about opinions we are talking facts, something Mr. Hansen seems to have the lack of, for me that was an outrageous thing to say.

[spider-neil]

the thing that annoys me most is inconsistancy.

if you think a manager should get on with things regardless with what is happening off the pitch (accusation levelled at rafa) that is a fair and valid opinion

but you can't in the next breath say what is happening off the pitch is bound to affect the manager (roy) and players.

seriously, which is it?