Topic: Christian Purslow interviewed on Sports Week

[RedinExile]

As good as Rafa was and as poor as Roy is, that issue is mere chicken feed in the grand scheme of things.

Have to disagree strongly on that mate. It's a fuck-up of monumental proportions going from top team in Europe to where we are now, and I'm not going to pretend otherwise. Those shortsighted fools responsible will hopefully fuck off along with G&H.

[bigbear]

He advised on the recruitment, he didnt make the choice, he made recommendations and therefore would not of been required to be present.
Dont be absurd. You havent the foggiest about what the man was/is thinking.

Look mate, I know where he was, who he was with and more or less what was said. End of.

He was not happy, I don't propose to go any further than that because it betrays a trust.

[shelovesyou]

Who was negotiating hard to keep the Americans here for good around Easter time smartarse?

What before Broughton came in to sell the club ?
He is employed by them and at that time he was doing his duty to his employer.
You dont come across as stupid but you know full well the difference.

You are clutching.

[shelovesyou]

Have to disagree strongly on that mate. It's a fuck-up of monumental proportions going from top team in Europe to where we are now, and I'm not going to pretend otherwise. Those shortsighted fools responsible will hopefully fuck off along with G&H.

Nothing to do with players then ?
Of course not.

[guyko21]

No, it wasn't.

Kenny was definitely not happy at Hodgson's appointment. In fact he was very unhappy.

You are right here, for sure.

[shelovesyou]

Look mate, I know where he was, who he was with and more or less what was said. End of.

He was not happy, I don't propose to go any further than that because it betrays a trust.

And if you believe that you'll believe anything.
Sorry mate , dont buy it .

[RedinExile]

Do you really think he was actually trying to keep them here? 

Did you not see the SOS minutes that he then had to deny? 

It was clear that he's been anti H&G from day dot ... as would any LFC fan. 

Don't you realize the only way to remove them has been from the inside? 

Frankly, you're the gullible one, and in terms of who fucked up the manager's appointment, yes, Purslow is one of three (possibly more).  And as bad as that has been (especially to ignore Kenny), the most important thing is still the very survival of the club in terms of removing H&G ... which he is doing.

He put the Rhone bid together. You know, fresh investment, keeping the Americans in charge. Easter-time.

In one thread people were arguing 'no, no Purslow did find investment, he didn't fail'...then when I pointed out that was to keep the americans in charge they all went a bit quiet, and couldn't champion him as our freedom fighter any longer.

[bigbear]

Have to disagree strongly on that mate. It's a fuck-up of monumental proportions going from top team in Europe to where we are now, and I'm not going to pretend otherwise. Those shortsighted fools responsible will hopefully fuck off along with G&H.

If H&G stay then the club will be whittled away to nothing. There was so much shite going around last season and a decline had set in on the playing side in any event.

Rafa Benitez is not more important than the club's future. Sadly, very sadly they could not in the present regime continue together and the most important issue was the onwership side.

[xerxes1]

Your version is just your opinion though mate. Rafa has said he would've stayed. I believe Rafa/SOS over Purslow I'm afraid. It is also possible Rafa was a victim of a second, internal war in which Purslow was more complicit.

Either way, his handling of the dismissal was a disgrace and comments he is alleged to have made in Spain similarly scandalous.

I think the mists are clearing on this one now - although you're entitled to your opinion, which I respect.

I am sure Rafa would have stayed - under new owners. His £6m net (£!2m gross) payoff depended upon him accepting a compromise agreement. he would not have won that if he had said that he had wanted out. Rafa himself has subsequently been quoted as acknowledging his disdain for the Purslow regime which G&H were fronting. Purslow, a new MD was faced with a Manager who was fighting running battles ( quite reasonably) with the owners. It is easy to see how that will have made life difficult for Purslow and filtered down to him as he had to live with the day to day consequences.

I do agree that a more experienced MD would have handled Rafa differently. Probably by cutting a deal with Rafa earlier, sparing us all the agony of last season. But  in my opinion the relationship between Rafa and the Board had broken down last summer.

[shelovesyou]

He put the Rhone bid together. You know, fresh investment, keeping the Americans in charge. Easter-time.

In one thread people were arguing 'no, no Purslow did find investment, he didn't fail'...then when I pointed out that was to keep the americans in charge they all went a bit quiet, and couldn't champion him as our freedom fighter any longer.

That was his remit at the time. So what ?

[guyko21]

Kenny was very happy at his appointment.

Shelovesyou

We're on the same page on pretty much everything, but not this one. 

Kenny told the Board that there was only one man available to do the job, and that was him (and I agree!). 

Give that, he seriously cannot have been or be happy with Roy's appointment ... and he's being proven right as we speak.

[shelovesyou]

Shelovesyou

We're on the same page on pretty much everything, but not this one. 

Kenny told the Board that there was only one man available to do the job, and that was him (and I agree!). 

Give that, he seriously cannot have been or be happy with Roy's appointment ... and he's being proven right as we speak.

I was just making a point mate. But say you are right, he was appointed, new owners came in and they wanted their own man ? How would that go down ?
Not a good start is it.

[bigbear]

And if you believe that you'll believe anything.
Sorry mate , dont buy it .

Ok, good night, I don't need to persuade you to make it so. I'm off to bed.

[-Paddy-]

shelovesyou's username so ironic I get nosebleeds just thinking about it.

[RedinExile]

What before Broughton came in to sell the club ?
He is employed by them and at that time he was doing his duty to his employer.
You dont come across as stupid but you know full well the difference.

You are clutching.

No, what I'm saying is that he isn't trustworthy.

He's described as our hero against G&H, I'm pointing out he was doing his best to keep them here recently
He says he didn't fire Rafa, the manager says otherwise
He appoints Roy
He falls out with the most important fan group in an amateurish fashion
Circumstantial evidence like the fan exchange in Spain
He has no experience of running a football club
Press briefings

I am saying, just to be clear, this is not good enough for Liverpool Football Club. You are maybe not old enough to remember Robinson and Smith as key figures of the club who behaved with great class and dignity.

[L6 Red]

Kenny Dalglish did not want Roy Hodgson as manager of Liverpool Football Club.

[karl1987]

Have to disagree strongly on that mate. It's a fuck-up of monumental proportions going from top team in Europe to where we are now, and I'm not going to pretend otherwise. Those shortsighted fools responsible will hopefully fuck off along with G&H.

Didnt most our senior players want Benitez gone though??  Yet it's only Purslow being blamed. 

Getting rid of these owners is more important than Rafa, and I dont see how anyone can disagree with that considering the clubs very future could be in serious trouble if our current owners stayed in charge.

I'm fed up with all this Rafa bullshit now, the mans gone, life goes on who knows maybe he will be back 1 day, but can you all PLEASE give it a rest, there's more important issues going on at the club at the minute..

And as far as im aware Kenny wasnt too pleased with Roy being put in charge, again it was certain senior players at the club that were happy with him being appointed.

[shelovesyou]

No, what I'm saying is that he isn't trustworthy.

He's described as our hero against G&H, I'm pointing out he was doing his best to keep them here recently
No ones saying he's a hero

He says he didn't fire Rafa, the manager says otherwise
Im not sure Roy has ever said that
He appoints Roy
He did, thats his job, unless he appointed Rafa nobody else would of satisfied some on here
He falls out with the most important fan group in an amateurish fashion
Did Rafa not ask for the protests to stop
Circumstantial evidence like the fan exchange in Spain
Exactly
He has no experience of running a football club
Cant argue with that
Press briefings
Circumstantial

I am saying, just to be clear, this is not good enough for Liverpool Football Club. You are maybe not old enough to remember Robinson and Smith as key figures of the club who behaved with great class and dignity.
I do remember and Id love to get back to that, as much as you but the game has changed now

[guyko21]

No, what I'm saying is that he isn't trustworthy.

He's described as our hero against G&H, I'm pointing out he was doing his best to keep them here recently
He says he didn't fire Rafa, the manager says otherwise
He appoints Roy
He falls out with the most important fan group in an amateurish fashion
Circumstantial evidence like the fan exchange in Spain
He has no experience of running a football club
Press briefings

I am saying, just to be clear, this is not good enough for Liverpool Football Club. You are maybe not old enough to remember Robinson and Smith as key figures of the club who behaved with great class and dignity.

RedinExile

Seriously, you cannot believe Purslow was trying to keep H&G at the club. 

You only have to read the minutes of the SOS meeting to understand what he's been about.  The second I saw SOS's minutes I thought it was a gaffe of massive proportions by BOTH parties. 

But as much as I'm gutted at Kenny not being our manager (yet) and the fact that I think it's been a bad decision, still Purslow's main task is the removal of H&G, for which he has been pivotal. 

And for that, he deserves thanks and more.

[-Paddy-]

Benitez never, ever, ever, asked for the protests to stop.

I honestly thought you couldn't embarass yourself anymore when talking about NESV and A-Rod the other night. I was wrong.

[Diomedieocre]

You said that about the protests before, and somebody youtubed the press conferance.

When asked about the protest, Rafa said he was focussing on football.

[RedinExile]

Didnt most our senior players want Benitez gone though??  Yet it's only Purslow being blamed. 

Getting rid of these owners is more important than Rafa, and I dont see how anyone can disagree with that considering the clubs very future could be in serious trouble if our current owners stayed in charge.

I'm fed up with all this Rafa bullshit now, the mans gone, life goes on who knows maybe he will be back 1 day, but can you all PLEASE give it a rest, there's more important issues going on at the club at the minute..

Why not read the fucking post just above, is that too much to fucking ask? Where have I said Rafa is more important than the club? Nowhere, thanks. If you think swopping Rafa for Roy is good for the club feel free to do so. Unless of course you are saying it's ok to sack a top manager and not having a fucking clue who you're bringing in. I'll get over it when we aren't in the relegation zone and getting beat by Blackpool and Northampton.

[xerxes1]

Kenny Dalglish did not want Roy Hodgson as manager of Liverpool Football Club.

This is a tricky one to read. My intuition is to trust Bigbear that Kenny wasnt happy.

BUT, I think it was an emotional , not a thought out, response, that Purslow was right, and in retrospect Kenny might agree.

[karl1987]

Why not read the fucking post just above, is that too much to fucking ask? Where have I said Rafa is more important than the club? Nowhere, thanks. If you think swopping Rafa for Roy is good for the club feel free to do so. Unless of course you are saying it's ok to sack a top manager and not having a fucking clue who you're bringing in. I'll get over it when we aren't in the relegation zone and getting beat by Blackpool and Northampton.

(((((Quote from: bigbear on Today at 12:19:32 AM
As good as Rafa was and as poor as Roy is, that issue is mere chicken feed in the grand scheme of things.

Then you said -

Have to disagree strongly on that mate. It's a fuck-up of monumental proportions going from top team in Europe to where we are now, and I'm not going to pretend otherwise. Those shortsighted fools responsible will hopefully fuck off along with G&H.)))))

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Bigbear stated the Rafa sacking was nothing compared to the ownership situation and you disagreed with him or am I seeing things??

[shelovesyou]

Benitez never, ever, ever, asked for the protests to stop.

I honestly thought you couldn't embarass yourself anymore when talking about NESV and A-Rod the other night. I was wrong.

What did I say about A Rod ?

[Sinos]

Kenny Dalglish did not want Roy Hodgson as manager of Liverpool Football Club.

How confident are you about that statement?

[-Paddy-]

What did I say about A Rod ?

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=264123.msg7488473#msg7488473

Less than a week ago you said that, sort it out.

How confident are you about that statement?

If he didn't know that for a fact, he wouldn't have said it.

[xerxes1]

Really? Rafa said he was already preparing for this season. If he couldn't work under the conditions, he would have resigned, no?

Was that because he was hoping for new owners? Was it to protect his pay off ( my call -£6m net would focus my mind on what I said).If he hadnt had that prize, and was working out his last year instead, I think he would have resigned.

Any objective assessment says that after last summer there was nothing left for him. Owners he could not trust,no net transfer budget,Alonso gone, a novice MD, owners who wanted out, the threat that new owners might want their own man in, a dressing room that was in part briefing against him, Masch and Yosser wanting out. Would you want to stay? especially when the Serie A and CL holders come calling.

[shelovesyou]

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=264123.msg7488473#msg7488473

Less than a week ago you said that, sort it out.


If he didn't know that for a fact, he wouldn't have said it.

Happy to admit that I was wrong.

[L6 Red]

Rafael Benitez never asked for supporters of Liverpool Football Club to stop protesting.

Any more lies you wish to perpetuate?

[shelovesyou]

Rafael Benitez never asked for supporters of Liverpool Football Club to stop protesting.

Any more lies you wish to perpetuate?

Again , if everyone else can come out with statements with nothing to back it up why cant I ?

[xerxes1]

No, what I'm saying is that he isn't trustworthy.

He's described as our hero against G&H, I'm pointing out he was doing his best to keep them here recently
He says he didn't fire Rafa, the manager says otherwise
He appoints Roy
He falls out with the most important fan group in an amateurish fashion
Circumstantial evidence like the fan exchange in Spain
He has no experience of running a football club
Press briefings

I am saying, just to be clear, this is not good enough for Liverpool Football Club. You are maybe not old enough to remember Robinson and Smith as key figures of the club who behaved with great class and dignity.

Purslow arrived with the brief of either diluting G&Hs shareholding or to sell it.

Purslow did fire Rafa - as the organ grinders monkey

He was scathing about G&H at the SOS meeting

The "fan exchanges" - unproven. And if true, so he is pissed off at having to deal with a Rafa grumpy about G&H, so what?

We agree about his unsuitability as an MD of LFC due to lack of experience.


Everyone was briefing the media, SOS, Rafa, his agent, G&H, Purslow, the players, it was a nest of vipers. It is more difficult to identify who was not.

[RedinExile]

No, what I'm saying is that he isn't trustworthy.

He's described as our hero against G&H, I'm pointing out he was doing his best to keep them here recently
No ones saying he's a hero

He says he didn't fire Rafa, the manager says otherwise
Im not sure Roy has ever said that
He appoints Roy
He did, thats his job, unless he appointed Rafa nobody else would of satisfied some on here
He falls out with the most important fan group in an amateurish fashion
Did Rafa not ask for the protests to stop
Circumstantial evidence like the fan exchange in Spain
Exactly
He has no experience of running a football club
Cant argue with that
Press briefings
Circumstantial

I am saying, just to be clear, this is not good enough for Liverpool Football Club. You are maybe not old enough to remember Robinson and Smith as key figures of the club who behaved with great class and dignity.
I do remember and Id love to get back to that, as much as you but the game has changed now

You're now saying Purslow did hire Roy? Just.....cause you said this recently:

Hodgson was not Purslows appointment.

You don't know your own mind by the sounds of it or you're just arguing for the sake of it.

I don't think Cecil is the devil, just incompetent and not to be trusted for the reasons I've said.

I don't believe one final act of competency grants him a licence to stay on; be Broughton's work anyway

[L6 Red]

Again , if everyone else can come out with statements with nothing to back it up why cant I ?

That's the biggest twat of a statement I've ever read.

Aliens exist.
No they don't.
You can't prove it.
Neither can you.

Stop being a bad tit and accept you're wrong. Benitez never asked for people to "stop protesting" - he was meant to have asked the SOS committee this, but members of said committee have refuted that. What other proof would one require, exactly? A signed statement from the man himself?

[xerxes1]

Rafael Benitez never asked for supporters of Liverpool Football Club to stop protesting.Any more lies you wish to perpetuate?

I am sure that in the run up to our second finish he did ask SOS to stop.Can't find the quote, just my recollection.

[guyko21]

This is a tricky one to read. My intuition is to trust Bigbear that Kenny wasnt happy.

BUT, I think it was an emotional , not a thought out, response, that Purslow was right, and in retrospect Kenny might agree.

Judging by recent quotes attributed to Kenny, I'm not sure how you reach that conclusion.  I know he did make one mention of the fact that it might have been an emotional decision, but every other quote has suggested he'd be up for it if he was offered it. 

Actually I think Purslow and co are wrong on this one.  I think Kenny is the right man at the right time.  But maybe now it's me being emotional!

[kiNki]

Rafael Benitez never asked for supporters of Liverpool Football Club to stop protesting.

Any more lies you wish to perpetuate?

that may be the case but there has certainly been some conflicting info.

http://www.liverpoolway.co.uk/forum/ff-football-forum/95252-hodgson-not-happy-protest-7.html#post2463491

Originally Posted by Dougie Do'ins 
Rafa didn't tell SOS to stop protesting, he asked that they did. When it became knowledge about Rafa asking SOS not to protest during games I was pissed off.

At the next SOS mass meeting in Liverpool 1 (Zeligs is it ?) I stood up with the mic and asked the committee directly "during the SOS meeting with Rafa, did Rafa request the we stop protesting during games" The answer from the committee was "yes"

If my memory is correct the reason Rafa gave was 'it was putting the team off their game'

[shelovesyou]

You're now saying Purslow did hire Roy? Just.....cause you said this recently:

Hodgson was not Purslows appointment.

You don't know your own mind by the sounds of it or you're just arguing for the sake of it.

I don't think Cecil is the devil, just incompetent and not to be trusted for the reasons I've said.

I don't believe one final act of competency grants him a licence to stay on; be Broughton's work anyway

He was appointed by him, does not make him HIS appointment. Big difference man.

[SMD]

I am sure that in the run up to our second finish he did ask SOS to stop.Can't find the quote, just my recollection.

Your recollection's boss, isn't it.

[L6 Red]

I thought we were talking about public admissions, sorry. Hold my hands up there.

Edit: although I have been told directly by members he didn't, so yes, conflicting info. Not sure I'd trust TLW over a personal friend.