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What would your vote be ?

Redevelop Anfield
225 (69%)
Continue with proposals for new stadium in Stanley Park
96 (29.4%)
Consider new stadium but groundshare with Everton
5 (1.5%)

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Re: *Poll* Redevelop Anfield or a new stadium ?
« Reply #600 on: May 22, 2012, 10:11:02 PM »
Fuck......

This is major news......

18 months and actually some light at the end of the tunnel.....

I wouldn't get my hopes up just yet. The article also says that progress has been made with companies re naming rights for a new stadium, so it seems like they're still a fair bit away from making a definite decision.

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Re: *Poll* Redevelop Anfield or a new stadium ?
« Reply #601 on: May 22, 2012, 10:11:54 PM »
Can somebody post the times article? Cheers.
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Re: *Poll* Redevelop Anfield or a new stadium ?
« Reply #602 on: May 22, 2012, 10:32:53 PM »
Can somebody post the times article? Cheers.

It's paywalled so it'll just get deleted if someone does.
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Re: *Poll* Redevelop Anfield or a new stadium ?
« Reply #603 on: May 22, 2012, 10:36:09 PM »
Can somebody post the times article? Cheers.

There isn't anything else of interest. The article doesn't say that a decision is imminent, only that the council expect a decision soon.

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Re: *Poll* Redevelop Anfield or a new stadium ?
« Reply #604 on: May 22, 2012, 10:41:18 PM »
Ian Ayre has reignited hopes that Liverpool could remain at Anfield rather than quit their spiritual home and move to a new stadium, despite acknowledging that a series of obstacles would need to be overcome for the club’s preferred option to be delivered.

From Tony Barrett in the Times. Confirms that the main issue is the right to light issue, but said that householders may sell or waive that right. Also says that the council is expecting a decision from the club by the end of June.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/football/clubs/liverpool/article3422880.ece

Ha brilliant. Right on cue. Next up, a big summer signing.

If I don't see fireworks and dancing cheerleaders during all these announcements I'll be disappointed.
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Re: *Poll* Redevelop Anfield or a new stadium ?
« Reply #605 on: May 22, 2012, 10:55:48 PM »
interesting times,thanks for the updates folks.
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Re: *Poll* Redevelop Anfield or a new stadium ?
« Reply #606 on: May 22, 2012, 11:32:30 PM »
Henry and Werner have still to reach a decision on a new stadium but, in an indication they favour a redeveloped Anfield over a new build on Stanley Park, the club's managing director, Ian Ayre, has revealed that progress has been made with local residents regarding the existing stadium. The "right to light" is one of the major obstacles in the way of a redeveloped Anfield, as the necessity to build upwards would have an impact on nearby housing. That has been the focus of protracted negotiations between the club and residents in recent months, with the possibility that the "right to light" can be sold offering Liverpool hope of staying at their historic home.

Ayre said: "People assume that because we haven't made a major announcement, or can show any spade in the ground, that nothing has gone on and no progress has been made. There is progress. The most important thing for us, especially under this owner, has been about certainty on the stadium. We are not going to make comments that we're doing something until we've got certainty. And that certainty quite often is in other people's hands.

"In the case of staying at Anfield that certainty is with residents in and around that area that we would need to convince. We're having some great dialogue with them. When we have that certainty we will make the announcement and move on it. It's all right for people to say Liverpool is a big football club – 60,000 seats, why don't you just go and get on with it? But look at the economics of that, of a £300m build for 15,000 new seats. It's pretty hard to make that stack up. The work is going on and a decision will be announced when we've got certainty."

Ayre has not ruled out a new development on Stanley Park, for which naming rights would have to be sold. "We are fairly well down the line with a couple of major brands who have shown significant rights in naming rights for a new stadium."


- The Guardian

It will be interesting which option they eventually choose. Hopefully there will be a decision soon.
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Re: *Poll* Redevelop Anfield or a new stadium ?
« Reply #607 on: May 22, 2012, 11:44:32 PM »
It's certainly in FSG's hands though to develop Stanley Park,  isn't it, Ian? That certainty is not in other people's hand.
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Re: *Poll* Redevelop Anfield or a new stadium ?
« Reply #608 on: May 22, 2012, 11:53:32 PM »
It's certainly in FSG's hands though to develop Stanley Park,  isn't it, Ian? That certainty is not in other people's hand.

It is to a degree, as Ayre says, the economics of building a new stadium doesn't stack unless get a big naming sponsor.
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Re: *Poll* Redevelop Anfield or a new stadium ?
« Reply #609 on: May 23, 2012, 12:51:34 AM »
One last squeeze on the chosen companies bidding for naming rights.

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Re: *Poll* Redevelop Anfield or a new stadium ?
« Reply #610 on: May 23, 2012, 01:35:32 AM »
One last squeeze on the chosen companies bidding for naming rights.

Yeah, I wondered that too.

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Re: *Poll* Redevelop Anfield or a new stadium ?
« Reply #611 on: May 23, 2012, 06:38:45 AM »
I still hope we can redevelop Anfield. If we buy up the houses or reach an agreement, it can be done right?

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Re: *Poll* Redevelop Anfield or a new stadium ?
« Reply #612 on: May 23, 2012, 09:24:08 AM »
One last squeeze on the chosen companies bidding for naming rights.

Or on the locals for the 'right to light'/properties. If they've offered them good money and they are holding out for more, the threat of getting nothing might make them settle.

I'm not convinced by this at all. How many times have they/Ayre come out with the same lines about progress?

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Re: *Poll* Redevelop Anfield or a new stadium ?
« Reply #613 on: May 23, 2012, 09:39:55 AM »
One last squeeze on the chosen companies bidding for naming rights.

Kind of... I don't think the club will announce anything until both options are goers.

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« Reply #614 on: May 23, 2012, 09:57:14 AM »
I'm not convinced by this at all. How many times have they/Ayre come out with the same lines about progress?

Difference is this time rumours/facts are being posted by sources outside the club, such as info about sales of properties around the ground to LFC, etc.
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Re: *Poll* Redevelop Anfield or a new stadium ?
« Reply #615 on: May 23, 2012, 10:28:56 AM »
While it's been slow going, there definitely seems to be some movement now.  I really want to see us expand Anfield now.

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Re: *Poll* Redevelop Anfield or a new stadium ?
« Reply #616 on: May 23, 2012, 10:41:14 AM »
Difference is this time rumours/facts are being posted by sources outside the club, such as info about sales of properties around the ground to LFC, etc.

Independent news of house sales to the club certainly seem to support there might be finally some movement in getting this resolved. Seems to have been so many things holding this process up.

Hurrah, getting this sorted will be a huge bonus for the club.
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« Reply #617 on: May 23, 2012, 11:03:58 AM »
Kind of... I don't think the club will announce anything until both options are goers.

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What makes you say that Peter? Just because it'll boil down to what makes the owners the most money?

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« Reply #618 on: May 23, 2012, 11:04:54 AM »
Difference is this time rumours/facts are being posted by sources outside the club, such as info about sales of properties around the ground to LFC, etc.
Independent news of house sales to the club certainly seem to support there might be finally some movement in getting this resolved. Seems to have been so many things holding this process up.

Hurrah, getting this sorted will be a huge bonus for the club.

Not seen too much about this - were these the 8 houses on Lothair road?

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« Reply #619 on: May 23, 2012, 11:42:28 AM »
Not seen too much about this - were these the 8 houses on Lothair road?

Possibly. Their is a website/forum for the residents in that area and a number posted up that 3 houses in Lothair and 1 the street over have been bought by the club.
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« Reply #620 on: May 23, 2012, 11:43:16 AM »
What makes you say that Peter? Just because it'll boil down to what makes the club owners the most money?
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Re: *Poll* Redevelop Anfield or a new stadium ?
« Reply #621 on: May 23, 2012, 11:48:12 AM »
Possibly. Their is a website/forum for the residents in that area and a number posted up that 3 houses in Lothair and 1 the street over have been bought by the club.

Not according to the land registry though. Which means it hasn't happened yet.

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Re: *Poll* Redevelop Anfield or a new stadium ?
« Reply #622 on: May 23, 2012, 12:07:47 PM »
What makes you say that Peter? Just because it'll boil down to what makes the owners the most money?

All things considered...

There'll still be risks either way. The decision is a balance of risk v reward. The costs are still a major risk item for example, whatever's happening to the economy. A loss of 10% contingency is double for a new stadium and in one lump. A percentage cost blow-out like Wembley would be catastrophic.

On the other hand, there's the risk of planning consent for a redevelopment but if council aren't lined up to it by now...

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Re: *Poll* Redevelop Anfield or a new stadium ?
« Reply #623 on: May 23, 2012, 12:11:50 PM »

Nah, I was right the first time. These guys aren't in it for the love of it. They are in it to make money.

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« Reply #624 on: May 23, 2012, 12:12:59 PM »
All things considered...

There'll still be risks either way. The decision is a balance of risk v reward. The costs are still a major risk item for example, whatever's happening to the economy. A loss of 10% contingency is double for a new stadium and in one lump. A percentage cost blow-out like Wembley would be catastrophic.

On the other hand, there's the risk of planning consent for a redevelopment but if council aren't lined up to it by now...

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Itching to see some redevelopment plans here. Hope that's the way they'll go.

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« Reply #625 on: May 23, 2012, 12:13:23 PM »
Possibly. Their is a website/forum for the residents in that area and a number posted up that 3 houses in Lothair and 1 the street over have been bought by the club.

ah cheers.

All very interesting.

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« Reply #626 on: May 23, 2012, 12:36:40 PM »
Possibly. Their is a website/forum for the residents in that area and a number posted up that 3 houses in Lothair and 1 the street over have been bought by the club.

The one in Alroy Road is interesting. It's not needed for redevelopment as such but it is in a block that is up for 'change of use' (Option 3 - the Residents' site). A commercial use in that block could be quite handy for the club.

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Re: *Poll* Redevelop Anfield or a new stadium ?
« Reply #627 on: May 23, 2012, 01:19:40 PM »
Not according to the land registry though. Which means it hasn't happened yet.

Normally these sites have a reasonably large gap between actual sale and that information finding its way onto the site. I couldn't find anything on the LR site about this kind of delay, so maybe the sales just aren't displayed yet but will be soon?

Seems strange the residents are posting that it's happened otherwise. Who knows though?
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« Reply #628 on: May 23, 2012, 01:46:09 PM »
Has anyone done a search on the actual Land Registry website, or just the free ones that use their information (but is probably slightly old)?
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« Reply #629 on: May 23, 2012, 01:55:56 PM »
Normally these sites have a reasonably large gap between actual sale and that information finding its way onto the site. I couldn't find anything on the LR site about this kind of delay, so maybe the sales just aren't displayed yet but will be soon?

Seems strange the residents are posting that it's happened otherwise. Who knows though?

The Land Registry is updated on completion of the contract of sale. Anything up to 12 weeks or more after exchange of contracts. Which can be as long as a piece of string after 'selling' the property.


Has anyone done a search on the actual Land Registry website, or just the free ones that use their information (but is probably slightly old)?

Thank you to The Triangle website for this:

"for the readers of redandwhitekop who are talking about this in there forum,they have not bought  the houses in lothair(5,21,29) yet just made offers,the house in alroy sale is complete,should be on land registry soon"
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« Reply #630 on: May 23, 2012, 01:59:51 PM »
We are being watched  :-\

Thanks for the info though, much appreciated. Out of interest, if you do happen to read this, do you also know just what is owned by the club and council down those roads and what is still privately owned?
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Re: *Poll* Redevelop Anfield or a new stadium ?
« Reply #631 on: May 23, 2012, 08:50:19 PM »
As much as I would love it to happen, redeveloping Anfield is not likely to happen. Due to the right to light issue.

But, I'm all for a new stadium, as long as it looks unique. Not look like Arsenals ground or Boltons etc. Infact, though many hate it, I liked the look (interior) of the Hicks/Gillet stadium for the most part. 4 stands etc. It looked like Anfield on steroids.

Also, I honestly think 65-70,000 seats is needed IMO. And I think, with success on the pitch, we could fill that. We've also got to aim at hosting big events, like the European Cup final. Hence why i think 65-70,000 seats should be a minimum. So, maybe get 65,000, then make sure the stadium can be expanded to 70,000+.

That's my thinking. Possibly not very well thought out. But just read the paper today about it and got me quickly thinking lol.
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« Reply #632 on: May 23, 2012, 08:52:10 PM »
You thought it looked like Anfield on steroids?!
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« Reply #633 on: May 23, 2012, 08:59:07 PM »
I honestly did. But that's me lol. Ok, minus the 'boxes' in the 'Kop'

The point is, I think if we get a new stadium, it has to look unique, the stands not be miles away from the pitch and retain the 'separate' 4 stands. I think the Emerites looks lovely like most stadia like that. But it's not what I want for LFC.

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« Reply #634 on: May 31, 2012, 10:01:28 PM »
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Re: *Poll* Redevelop Anfield or a new stadium ?
« Reply #635 on: June 1, 2012, 12:02:47 PM »
The one in Alroy Road is interesting. It's not needed for redevelopment as such but it is in a block that is up for 'change of use' (Option 3 - the Residents' site). A commercial use in that block could be quite handy for the club.

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That option C for the future, out of interest, how big is that Kop in terms of people/seats? It looks absolutely MASSIVE!


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« Reply #636 on: June 1, 2012, 04:34:34 PM »
Just been looking at your website again Peter, great work.
http://petermcgurk.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/anfield-after-all.html

That option C for the future, out of interest, how big is that Kop in terms of people/seats? It looks absolutely MASSIVE!

It's not that much bigger going backwards but re-instating the 'wings' and adding a heavy-looking (and dark) roof gives the impression of a huge and intimidating terrace (a bit like the way the Südtribüne works) - making the most of what you've got.

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Re: *Poll* Redevelop Anfield or a new stadium ?
« Reply #637 on: June 1, 2012, 09:40:01 PM »
Ian Ayre saying no decision has been reached, even though for ages he has been saying staying at Anfield is the preferred option.

http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2012/06/01/100252-31097237/

LIVERPOOL FC managing director Ian Ayre insisted there was no guarantee the club would be staying at Anfield despite being issued with an apparent ultimatum by the city council.

The ECHO revealed yesterday authority bosses have given the Reds until the end of the month to confirm whether it would be building a new stadium or pressing ahead with a redevelopment of its current home.

But Ayre said there remains plenty of work to be done before the club is in a position to make such an announcement.

Mr Ayre said: “The situation hasn’t changed. We have been engaged in dialogue with local residents, and with the council, but that is to do with a redevelopment programme being run by the council which we, as major stakeholders, have an interest in.

“Does it mean we are staying at Anfield? No it doesn’t. We are on record as saying we would love to do so. But it is by no means certain. We cannot say with certainty we will be staying at Anfield.

“Promises have been made and not kept in the past. We are working daily to move forward. But we cannot make any certain statements at this point.”

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Re: *Poll* Redevelop Anfield or a new stadium ?
« Reply #638 on: June 1, 2012, 10:25:19 PM »
Any reason why we cant build a huge new Kop at the Annie road end and convert the current Kop into the away end? If we arent moving to a new stadium i feel the current Kop is too small!!

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Re: *Poll* Redevelop Anfield or a new stadium ?
« Reply #639 on: August 13, 2012, 09:42:53 AM »
I am not a scouser so therefore know fuck all, but I went to anfield for some games and saw shitloads of derilict housing around the ground.

So the question is, what the hell is taking so long? Does the ground need to expland equally on all sides or can it expand sideways and length wise?

On which side of the ground are people complaing about the potential loss of sunlight access?