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Re: Glazer debt drains Manchester United
« Reply #3120 on: February 21, 2013, 11:33:24 pm »
That's big news, from my understanding he was doing a good job.  If that's Gill and Ferguson leaving over the next few years then stability may be tested.  Let's hope so.
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Re: Glazer debt drains Manchester United
« Reply #3121 on: February 22, 2013, 01:13:31 pm »
I know Ed Woodward v well and he will do a great job..ironically he is a Liverpool fan

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Re: Glazer debt drains Manchester United
« Reply #3123 on: February 22, 2013, 05:09:30 pm »
be a good time to get him to us! Like him or hate him he is excellent in this role.

We no chance of getting him but, that's the type of CEO we need.

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Re: Glazer debt drains Manchester United
« Reply #3124 on: February 23, 2013, 03:39:22 am »
Hopefully he's like Ayre, good at the commercial side of things but spasticated as a CEO/Managing Director
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Re: Glazer debt drains Manchester United
« Reply #3125 on: February 23, 2013, 05:54:25 am »
Hopefully he's like Ayre, good at the commercial side of things but spasticated as a CEO/Managing Director
Hopefully he's good at neither.

Although I dont like it, Gill's position at the FA is not much different to what we had when Noel White was on our board. People should think about that before crying conspiracy.
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Re: Glazer debt drains Manchester United
« Reply #3126 on: February 23, 2013, 06:21:53 am »
Although I dont like it, Gill's position at the FA is not much different to what we had when Noel White was on our board. People should think about that before crying conspiracy.


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Re: Glazer debt drains Manchester United
« Reply #3127 on: February 23, 2013, 06:45:06 am »
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Re: Glazer debt drains Manchester United
« Reply #3128 on: April 8, 2013, 12:15:21 am »
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Ahead of Carrington naming rights/training kit deal with Aon - estimated $230M over 8 years - United bought out $65M, 4-year DHL deal
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Re: Glazer debt drains Manchester United
« Reply #3129 on: April 8, 2013, 12:16:07 am »
That DHL training kit deal they bought themselves out of has been replaced by:
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They'll now train at the AON Training Complex and have AON logos over their training gear.

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Re: Glazer debt drains Manchester United (Not)
« Reply #3130 on: April 8, 2013, 12:23:22 am »
That much money to sponsor a fucking training ground  :o

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Re: Glazer debt drains Manchester United (Not nearly 1 billion in new deals)
« Reply #3131 on: April 8, 2013, 12:37:28 am »
Who ever at United that comes up with these deals is a financial genius. As a club/business they are lightyears ahead of anyone else in English football.

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Re: Glazer debt drains Manchester United (Not nearly 1 billion in new deals)
« Reply #3132 on: April 8, 2013, 12:45:45 am »
Ridiculous amounts of cash,  everyone would be fucked if they had no debt!  Yet they still managed to win a shitload of trophies despite it.

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Re: Glazer debt drains Manchester United (Not nearly 1 billion in new deals)
« Reply #3133 on: April 8, 2013, 01:30:40 am »
That sort of money pretty much cancels their debt by the time the 8 years is over doesn't it?
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Re: Glazer debt drains Manchester United (Not nearly 1 billion in new deals)
« Reply #3134 on: April 8, 2013, 02:35:52 am »
That sort of money pretty much cancels their debt by the time the 8 years is over doesn't it?

If they pay it off the debt of course, but if they don't, they're idiots.
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Re: Glazer debt drains Manchester United (Not nearly 1 billion in new deals)
« Reply #3135 on: April 8, 2013, 02:37:27 am »
Nothing stoping us getting our training kits sponsered to.

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Re: Glazer debt drains Manchester United (Not nearly 1 billion in new deals)
« Reply #3136 on: April 8, 2013, 02:50:58 am »
Jesus Christ. £23 million a year for the naming rights of their training ground and training gear? What the hell is in this for Aon? What exactly are Man Utd saying to them?  At least Chevrolet are buying space on a very visible billboard around the world. You can in theory see a vague point to what they are doing. Has anyone told Aon that Man utd train behind very high wall away from cameras?

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Re: Glazer debt drains Manchester United (Not nearly 1 billion in new deals)
« Reply #3137 on: April 8, 2013, 04:21:04 am »
They aren't going to be knocked off the top anytime soon.
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« Reply #3138 on: April 8, 2013, 07:33:42 am »
Fecking hell. An extra £23M a season... for training ground naming rights.
 

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« Reply #3139 on: April 8, 2013, 07:44:56 am »
We're lucky that they are in massive amount of debts and that the old tramp will be retiring soon, imagining them without any debt, is a frightening prospect to say the least, in theory they could spend thrice as much as City, and the scary part is that it won't be via a sheikh playing with his play toy rather via income they generate.

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Re: Glazer debt drains Manchester United (Not nearly 1 billion in new deals)
« Reply #3140 on: April 8, 2013, 07:51:40 am »
Everything is set for them for the future, except for the managerial change. If the successor of Fergie becomes a success, then it will be a mountain for every other club to climb (if it is not already).
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Re: Glazer debt drains Manchester United (Not nearly 1 billion in new deals)
« Reply #3141 on: April 8, 2013, 08:02:21 am »
£28.7m per annum for a training kit/venue deal and we're getting £20m for our main shirt deal? Fark.
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« Reply #3142 on: April 8, 2013, 08:43:38 am »
That's big news, from my understanding he was doing a good job.  If that's Gill and Ferguson leaving over the next few years then stability may be tested.  Let's hope so.

I thought it was because he's aiming for a UEFA bigwig job, with Uniteds support as well.
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Re: Glazer debt drains Manchester United (Not nearly 1 billion in new deals)
« Reply #3143 on: April 8, 2013, 08:45:02 am »
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Re: Glazer debt drains Manchester United (Not nearly 1 billion in new deals)
« Reply #3144 on: April 8, 2013, 09:59:53 am »

Their gross debt is around £375 million. They are paying 16.5% interest on that loan. Which means their debt interest alone is £62 million.  Their sponsorship deals total £75 million. So their sponsors pay off the debt interest.

The article below is from last August by Michael Moritz, a top Silicon Valley investor — and a Manchester United fan suggested their future is not so bright:
 
'WE recently changed our corporate name from Red Football LLC to Manchester United Ltd because we thought the former might be considered un-American and confuse prospective purchasers of our shares with the former Soviet Union’s national team.
 
Our business is a globally recognised brand and we estimate 10% of the world’s population follow our football team. For our entire 2011 fiscal year our revenue was $513m (£326m) — roughly equivalent to the revenue Google generates every five days.
 
Our club is being listed in New York because legal and regulatory restrictions are more favourable to people who place enormous amounts of debt on companies than in other venues we have considered — such as London, Singapore and Hong Kong.
 
We have more than $1 billion of debt due within the next 220 weeks that we have no means of repaying. All the assets of the club have been mortgaged against these debts, including our training ground and even our interest in a small freight warehouse.
 
Since July 2008, we have paid $792m in interest and other finance costs which is more than Mr. Ferguson, our distinguished manager, has paid for all the players he has purchased during the past 20 years.
 
Because we are so desperate to raise money, our corporate tax rate will rise from the 27% levied in the UK to the 35% required in America.
 
Our legal structure ensures the Glazer family, our main shareholder, will maintain absolute control over the company after the offering. Between 2001 and 2009 our club paid the Glazers a total of $25m in fees and gave them a $15m loan.
 
Our executive co-chairman, Avram Glazer, was previously the chief executive of Zapata Corp, a fish-oil producer, that once attempted to become an internet company by changing its name to Zap.com. Zapata was bought in 2009 by Philip Falcone of Harbinger Capital who, last month, was charged with securities fraud by the Securities and Exchange Commission.
 
Our business model is to help the Glazer family, our controlling shareholder, stay one step ahead of the banks. We employ a variety of approaches to achieve this including:
 
Raising ticket prices. Between 2005 and 2011 we were able to raise the average ticket price by almost 6% a year, which was almost double the rate of inflation in the UK during the same period.
 
Increasing sponsorship revenue. Guests of our corporate sponsors, such as Nike, DHL, Aon or Turkish Airlines, will soon be able to view our players’ private training sessions. We used to conduct these activities in strict privacy.

Boosting merchandise sales. Our new team shirts (which differ for home and away games) sell for $85. We sell many other branded products including car air fresheners, short nighties for women, four-poster bed canopies and a special men’s fragrance — Eau de Sport.
 
The competition for player and management talent in the Premier League is intense and our rival owners includes Russian oligarchs, Middle Eastern sovereigns, Indian chicken farmers and American hedge fund managers. Some of these have access to cash — which, unless this offering is successful, we do not.
 
Fortunately we don’t have to comply with the same reporting obligations as other public companies because our business qualifies in America under the newly passed Jobs Act as an “emerging growth company”. We emerged 134 years ago and in the past nine months our growth was 6%. The word “company” does apply to our club — although in a limited manner.
 
Old Trafford, our home ground, is called “The Theatre of Dreams”. Prospective purchasers of our stock will understand why.
 
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Re: Glazer debt drains Manchester United (Not nearly 1 billion in new deals)
« Reply #3145 on: April 8, 2013, 10:27:58 am »
I think they are sugar-coating something and trying to hide something by signing such ridiculous deals

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Re: Glazer debt drains Manchester United (Not nearly 1 billion in new deals)
« Reply #3146 on: April 8, 2013, 10:29:17 am »
I think they are sugar-coating something and trying to hide something by signing such ridiculous deals
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« Reply #3147 on: April 8, 2013, 10:32:04 am »
Needing such deals (and having to spend £75M to get out of current ones) just to pay off debt interest makes it even more sweeter that H+G have gone.

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Re: Glazer debt drains Manchester United (Not nearly 1 billion in new deals)
« Reply #3148 on: April 8, 2013, 10:39:00 am »
Who ever at United that comes up with these deals is a financial genius. As a club/business they are lightyears ahead of anyone else in English football.
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« Reply #3149 on: April 8, 2013, 10:41:08 am »
If United are the very top of the ongoing market rate for these sorts of sponsorship deals, how do they likes of City's and PSG's fabricated sponsorship deals, to cover their arses with FFP, stack up?


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Re: Glazer debt drains Manchester United (Not nearly 1 billion in new deals)
« Reply #3150 on: April 8, 2013, 11:10:56 am »
If United are the very top of the ongoing market rate for these sorts of sponsorship deals, how do they likes of City's and PSG's fabricated sponsorship deals, to cover their arses with FFP, stack up?

United's deals give the plaything clubs' deals legitimacy. They will peddle the fiction that they are as big as Man Utd, and thus the deals are reasonable. Everyone knows that the deals are not market-rate, but they are close enough to someone's market rate that it would be messy to prove in a legally watertight manner that the deals are not legit.

Or more briefly, it helps them to get away with it.

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« Reply #3151 on: April 8, 2013, 11:31:21 am »
United's deals give the plaything clubs' deals legitimacy. They will peddle the fiction that they are as big as Man Utd, and thus the deals are reasonable. Everyone knows that the deals are not market-rate, but they are close enough to someone's market rate that it would be messy to prove in a legally watertight manner that the deals are not legit.

Or more briefly, it helps them to get away with it.

That is what I thought and believe is the worst part of these deals for United.

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« Reply #3152 on: April 8, 2013, 11:32:00 am »
This just makes the Chevrolet deal seem even more ludicrous. I mean now they won't have their logo on friendly shirts when in far flung tours, etc.

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Re: Glazer debt drains Manchester United (Not nearly 1 billion in new deals)
« Reply #3153 on: April 8, 2013, 11:37:02 am »
I've been waiting for their crash for years now, it's just not going to happen. I'd better get used to them being up and around..

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Re: Glazer debt drains Manchester United (Not nearly 1 billion in new deals)
« Reply #3154 on: April 8, 2013, 11:42:19 am »
United's deals give the plaything clubs' deals legitimacy. They will peddle the fiction that they are as big as Man Utd, and thus the deals are reasonable. Everyone knows that the deals are not market-rate, but they are close enough to someone's market rate that it would be messy to prove in a legally watertight manner that the deals are not legit.

Or more briefly, it helps them to get away with it.
You could argue it the other way.  That United can use the going rate for PSG/City as a benchmark and then add a premium because they are much bigger.

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Re: Glazer debt drains Manchester United (Not nearly 1 billion in new deals)
« Reply #3155 on: April 8, 2013, 11:50:23 am »
You could argue it the other way.  That United can use the going rate for PSG/City as a benchmark and then add a premium because they are much bigger.

Utd's deal is legit though. They can set whatever price they want, but they still have to find someone willing to pay that price. They have persuaded an independent company to pay that price. They may have used the City deals as a marker, but if the price was too high, they would not have any takers.

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« Reply #3156 on: April 8, 2013, 11:54:39 am »
That is what I thought and believe is the worst part of these deals for United.

United don't really need to care about the impact these deals have on legitimatising big sponsorships for the likes of Man City and PSG. They've just ramped up their revenue backed purely on performance. They've got the largest PL stadium, have one of the largest existing fans bases in the world and have a recent history of success at the highest levels. Their deals are with major corporations, owned by shareholders that require a return on investment. Not state sponsored airlines like Emirates, Ethiad or Qatar that are simply an excuse to justify exorbitant expenditure.

We're doing pretty good considering the only major global trophy was back in 2005. The only way we get naming rights for Melwood is if it starts producing PL winning teams. I'm happy with what we have with Standard and Warrior. It's relative to where we are.



 
 
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Re: Glazer debt drains Manchester United (Not nearly 1 billion in new deals)
« Reply #3157 on: April 8, 2013, 11:56:04 am »
Utd's deal is legit though. They can set whatever price they want, but they still have to find someone willing to pay that price. They have persuaded an independent company to pay that price. They may have used the City deals as a marker, but if the price was too high, they would not have any takers.
This is true.

But it is City's artificial deal which is causing the inflation.

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« Reply #3158 on: April 8, 2013, 12:00:07 pm »
Its just smart. Sadly.

But like BarryCrocker says, its reflective of where they are as a club.
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« Reply #3159 on: April 8, 2013, 12:04:16 pm »
I honestly don't get what is in it for them to pay this much.

You never really see many pictures of them in training gear and you hardly ever hear about the training ground let alone it's name. I can see a benefit to having the logo on for friendly games and also to sponsor the pre-season tours but for nearly £20m a season?!