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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #40 on: October 7, 2010, 06:00:28 PM »
You are actually wrong here.

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2010/10/john_w_henry_ex-owner_of_marli.php


BTW I support their take over - cautiously and mainly because we have no other choices

It is worth noting that there are a BIT of extenuating circumstances when it comes to his tenure with the Marlins.

The previous owner Wayne Huizenga won a Championship with the team in 1997 and then proceeded to asset strip the team the next year, selling all the good players. The team finished the next year 54–108, the only team in MLB history to ever win a championship and then lose over 100 games. Henry then purchase out Huizenga and began trying to rebuild the team and get them into a new stadium.

Now Miami and Florida are two really really really difficult places to get anything done, much less get people to watch Baseball. The attendance there is always some of the lowest in the nation. Henry had difficulty getting full backing for all the ventures and getting a stadium built.

After two years of Henry's ownership the Marlins climbed out of the basement and finished third in their division, but the stadium had issues getting built because of provisions in the public financing which called for cruise ship taxes. Jeb Bush (Georgies brother) Govenor of Florida came out against the issues and the public didn't go one way or the other. Henry sold the Marlins in 2001 and took over the Red Sox. In 2003 the Marlins won another Championship.

Now one would assume that if Henry was the problem with the stadium being built, that it would be going, but NO the stadium STILL hasn't been completed. There are multiple law suits involved now and things are getting sticky.

read more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Ballpark

Some of the information really shows the issues with the city.

After the Marlins won the World Series in 2003, both team management and Miami-Dade County officials announced plans to fund a new ballpark. Soon after, the city decided not to help the team pay for a new stadium. However, in January 2004, the City of Miami proposed building a baseball-only stadium for the Marlins at the site of the Miami Orange Bowl that would adjoin the existing football stadium along its northern flank.

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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #41 on: October 7, 2010, 06:01:22 PM »
It used to bother me until I realised it's our word too.  ;)

Me too. Now I can live with it. Nothing worse than getting all hot and bothered about something which in fact you're wrong about!
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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #42 on: October 7, 2010, 06:02:51 PM »
Surely City are the richest club? Utd's debts take them a long way down the list.
Got the richest owners by a mile, but their turnover is fuck all compared to Utd or Real Madrid.

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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #43 on: October 7, 2010, 06:04:04 PM »
Since when were Man United the most famous football club in the world?
The moment their merchandising department decided to put their name on buses, open souvenir shops and basically become pro-active in spreading there name across Asia and Africa.

So by default they became famous, whilst we sat around for 20 years with our thumbs up our arse.

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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #44 on: October 7, 2010, 06:06:25 PM »
It is worth noting that there are a BIT of extenuating circumstances when it comes to his tenure with the Marlins.



I accept the extenuating circumstances. 

I was just keeping people eyes wide open and pointing out that there is a history and there are fans that don't really appreciate his time in charge of their team. 


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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #45 on: October 7, 2010, 06:07:01 PM »
Got the richest owners by a mile, but their turnover is fuck all compared to Utd or Real Madrid.

Turnover is vanity, profit is sanity. OK, City don't make any profit either...
"Richest club" is usually a reference to how much you can afford to spend on players. Utd aren't what they were in that respect.

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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #46 on: October 7, 2010, 06:09:04 PM »
Why's that?

its hard to explain, like when people use pounds instead of kg,soccer instead of football,know its not the same as the metric system,maybe i am just weird

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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #47 on: October 7, 2010, 06:09:30 PM »
I accept the extenuating circumstances. 

I was just keeping people eyes wide open and pointing out that there is a history and there are fans that don't really appreciate his time in charge of their team.

Oh absolutely, must keep digging for information and keep the eyes open.
That blog post though slags Liverpool fans at the end and is poorly written

I would much prefer a more in depth analysis of his time with the Marlins and am still looking for that piece.

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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #48 on: October 7, 2010, 06:11:06 PM »
Cheers for posting that article mate, enjoyed reading it.

However my conclusions are.

1. The author is a clueless cheesey fucker.
2. The alledged scouse bird originates from St Helens or Formby...
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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #49 on: October 7, 2010, 06:11:24 PM »
Oh absolutely, must keep digging for information and keep the eyes open.
That blog post though slags Liverpool fans at the end and is poorly written

I would much prefer a more in depth analysis of his time with the Marlins and am still looking for that piece.

the ending was shocking and uncalled for - agreed

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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #50 on: October 7, 2010, 06:14:05 PM »
What I'd like to know is- Since when were they the richest club in the world?

Should've read "The most heavily debted Team in the world."
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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #51 on: October 7, 2010, 06:14:54 PM »
The moment their merchandising department decided to put their name on buses, open souvenir shops and basically become pro-active in spreading there name across Asia and Africa.

So by default they became famous, whilst we sat around for 20 years with our thumbs up our arse.



thought we got famous by letting our football do the talking?

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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #52 on: October 7, 2010, 06:17:52 PM »
Will we get loads more Bostonians commenting on this on the TV? I hope so, its the best form of the American accent.

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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #53 on: October 7, 2010, 06:18:40 PM »
i just can't wait to continue to add to my kit collection,witheld myself from buying anymore items untill the yank$ leave.

This.  My boys are going to love their youth kit.

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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #54 on: October 7, 2010, 06:20:21 PM »
thought we got famous by letting our football do the talking?
We did, but we didn't build on that.
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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #55 on: October 7, 2010, 06:21:37 PM »
Since when were Man United the most famous football club in the world?

since 90s i think... and it is due to the comercialisation of football overall...wich started with Beckham i think..
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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #56 on: October 7, 2010, 06:23:33 PM »
it is quite the mystery to me how American football got the name "football" when the foot is rarely used...

me personally I shift between the two terms (soccer and football) but have lately stopped giving a fuck

because you play on your feet.

There are several different football codes.  Association Football is just the most popular, so its easier to just call it 'football'

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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #57 on: October 7, 2010, 06:25:04 PM »
since 90s i think... and it is due to the comercialisation of football overall...wich started with Beckham i think..

come to think of it,i hope henry won't ask that twat any advice on "soccer" seeing that he is over in the states now

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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #58 on: October 7, 2010, 06:32:57 PM »
We did, but we didn't build on that.

Not going to now either, we get 2 bob johnny and the Chinese are now waiting for the mancs.
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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #59 on: October 7, 2010, 06:35:21 PM »
come to think of it,i hope henry won't ask that twat any advice on "soccer" seeing that he is over in the states now

I watch soccer.

I play soccer.

I love soccer.

soccer soccer soccer!!!

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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #60 on: October 7, 2010, 06:38:17 PM »
What I'd like to know is- Since when were they the richest club in the world?

Let's be clear:

club with richest owners in the world: Manchester City
http://fourfourtwo.com/lists/thefootballrichlist20102011thefull100.aspx

most valuable club in the world 2010 (according to Forbes): Manchester United
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/34/soccer-10_Soccer-Team-Valuations_Rank.html

No need to be sensitive about it.
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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #61 on: October 7, 2010, 06:39:50 PM »
Let's be clear:

club with richest owners in the world: Manchester City
http://fourfourtwo.com/lists/thefootballrichlist20102011thefull100.aspx

most valuable club in the world 2010 (according to Forbes): Manchester United
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/34/soccer-10_Soccer-Team-Valuations_Rank.html

No need to be sensitive about it.

Values LFC at $822m.

So that's bollocks, then.

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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #62 on: October 7, 2010, 06:46:24 PM »
I watch soccer.

I play soccer.

I love soccer.

soccer soccer soccer!!!

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Consider a conversation in 1899:

"Do you play football?"

"Rugger or Soccer?"

Hmmm... since Rugger comes from Rugby Football and soccer is derived from Association Football, shouldn't it be called assoccer?


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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #63 on: October 7, 2010, 06:49:44 PM »
cannot see anything with that statement

It is either Real Madrid or Man Utd who can be said as the best.

Excuse me??

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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #64 on: October 7, 2010, 06:50:53 PM »
It all sounds nice and dandy. Unicorns and rainbows.

Let's wait till the deal is done and see what NESV has to offer.
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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #65 on: October 7, 2010, 06:51:39 PM »
Turnover is vanity, profit is sanity. OK, City don't make any profit either...
"Richest club" is usually a reference to how much you can afford to spend on players. Utd aren't what they were in that respect.

Meaningless, considering QPR are one of the "richest" clubs in the world. Still not really spending like they can, in theory, and are therefore still stuck in the Championship (although they are looking good to come up next year). Can afford to spend and do spend are completely different.

Richest to me means largest turnover and profit compared to others.

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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #66 on: October 7, 2010, 06:57:15 PM »
what happens if you like boston and new york as cities ?

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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #67 on: October 7, 2010, 06:59:52 PM »
I just can't stand people referring to football as "soccer"

It's perfectly valid. If an American publication called it football, their readers would think it was about Gridiron.

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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #68 on: October 7, 2010, 07:04:33 PM »
Values LFC at $822m.

So that's bollocks, then.

$822 million American dollars. According to the site:
"Value of team based on past transactions and current stadium deals (unless new stadium is pending) without deduction for debt (other than stadium debt). "

What a club is valued, based on financial calculations, and what people are prepared to pay are two very different things.

People can tell me my house is worth 1 million pounds because other similar houses are "worth" that much but if nobody is willing to pay me more than 700 thousand pounds for it, then that is its true value.

In our case, Broughton is arguing that after many months of hard work, we have only received two real bids for LFC at 300 million pounds, so that must be its true value right now.

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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #69 on: October 7, 2010, 07:21:30 PM »
Major difference between the Red Sox - Yankees inferiority complex analogy is that the Red Sox are not even close to the Yankees in championships whereas LFC has been more succesful than the Mancs.

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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #70 on: October 7, 2010, 07:29:21 PM »
I`m sceptical to this takeover by another set of american owners, and probably because of fear. But hopefully they have seen the protests and all the anger that has been showed towards Hicks and Gillett, and know if they are honest, and don`t criple the club in debts they will be OK. And that we will be patient cos we know it is a mess now that will take time to solve.
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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #71 on: October 7, 2010, 07:41:11 PM »
I just can't stand people referring to football as "soccer"

And what about franchise???

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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #72 on: October 7, 2010, 08:14:01 PM »

look jealously eastward - I dont fucking think so ... theyre the sad sacks who are always singing about us, even when were not playing them ... got that totally wrong mate.
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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #73 on: October 7, 2010, 09:33:46 PM »
Soccer is an English word (comes from the UK) unfortunately....... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_football#Etymology

To me football is Foot + ball = football.

Yank's just don't get it. 

I'm an American (not a yankee thank you very much, I'm from the south, I find Yankee offensive if directed towards me) and I usually say football, then when I realize people probably assume I mean american football, I say soccer football so people understand me, but I think of football as football, not soccer (especially living in Kenya right now).

A lot more americans are starting to watch football, and I think the chance to be one of the first teams to really exploit the american market could be really good. Many younger americans are really interested in football, although most probably like chelsea or one of the manchesters. However, if Liverpool games were broadcast more in the US, I think a lot more people would like it. Americans love sports, and most americans disregard of football is because of ignorance of the sport. If they actually saw it and understood it, I think a lot of people would like it. It is much more exciting and enthralling than most American sports (except perhaps hockey sometimes).
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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #74 on: October 7, 2010, 09:43:19 PM »
look jealously eastward - I dont fucking think so ... theyre the sad sacks who are always singing about us, even when were not playing them ... got that totally wrong mate.

I was thinking exactly the same! The only time I'd turn my head towards the place is if a massive crack appeared in the British Isles and Manchester was slipping down into it.  Apart from that, thanks to the OP for sharing!
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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #75 on: October 7, 2010, 09:51:17 PM »
Thanks for posting that, mate! I'm getting a bit nervous now - redeveloping Anfield instead of building a new stadium... I can't see this as being the best way forward, but I'm not a local guy, so...

Are you fucking kidding? on blob the Kop can get a one man team theough the group stages and the KO rounds to a European cup final.

Anfield is one of the clubs bigest assests if you ask me and should be preserved. Ask any Red around the world what they want to see and they will tell you it's in L4 on walton breck road, not some shinny bubble in the middle of Stanley park.

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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #76 on: October 7, 2010, 09:54:19 PM »
I'm an American 
Most americans disregard is because of ignorance.


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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #77 on: October 7, 2010, 10:05:12 PM »
'Soccer'....  Whilst people *think* this is an American term, it isn't.

When Football as we know it today was first formed, the game was called 'Association Football' to differenciate them from 'Rugby Football'.  "Soccer" was a valid contraction of 'Association' used in this country.

It used to bother me until I realised it's our word too.  ;)

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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #78 on: October 7, 2010, 10:07:31 PM »
New York City is an 'alpha' city of which London can only really compete do the Bostonians are bound to be envious of it despite it being a fine historic city.

Manchester on the other hand is a shit hole that we have no reason whatsoever to be envious of

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Re: Article on takeover from the Boston Globe
« Reply #79 on: October 7, 2010, 10:08:49 PM »
What I'd like to know is- Since when were they the richest club in the world?

The difference between revenue and wealth is too hard for the likes of Sky to understand or explain to the 15 year olds who watch it.
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