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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #120 on: September 26, 2010, 01:33:21 AM »
No its not naive.

What did Rafa do last year with a team that finished second? You see boardroom effects all levels. I agree Hodgson isnt the greatest but is tearing him apart productive? No it isnt.

You can bang on about lineups and tactics until your blue in the face, but i learned last year while criticising Rafa myself over tactics that its gone beyond that, it truly has gone beyond what happens on the pitch. This club is sick, really sick.

Please take this the right way, it is not a trap just a genuine question; do you now think it was a mistake that Rafa was forced out? You see if we can start as a fanbase by acknowledging the underlying rot meant Rafa had an impossible job, then we can give Roy the latitude he needs.

If on the other hand people are still saying that now we have a man-manager, motivator, someone who understands the Prem, can stop us underachieving, won't waste millions like Rafa......well then that will get fierce criticism if it isn't delivered. In short at first we were told this will be an improvement (yeah right). Now the wheels have come off, it is because it was always mission impossible and the owners are to blame.

The whole thing stinks.
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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #121 on: September 26, 2010, 01:37:50 AM »
Jesus Paul, you haven't thrown another strop, have you? You're leaving.....you're back....you're leaving.

You're so set in your ways and believe you're the best fan Liverpool Football Club has ever produced because you 'back the manager'.

The OP has the right sentiments but it comes across as self righteous, arrogant and assuming

I don't rate Roy as a manager. Never have and never will. He was hand picked by a board that wanted as little aggro as possible. Someone they could control. They struck gold with Roy who is Mr Nice Guy AND Flavour of the month.

I don't have any confidence in his ability to set the team up to play anything better than Fulham has. His comment stink of small time mentality and come across as defeatist and it makes me sick because he is the fucking manager of Liverpool Football Club. Not Blackburn Fucking Rovers.

As far as I am concerned.....what happens on the pitch is secondary to our fight to get rid of the owners. The manager is in place and was selected by a jumped up business man who is having a go at real life championship chairman. Straight away the red flags were waving and a lot of fans doubted his ability to be a success. A lot of the criticism levelled at Roy is valid.

Abuse of his charachter is another thing but people are angry.

I believe Roy could be gone by Christmas.

I dont believe Roy can improve on last seasons debacle.

I have all my doubts and criticisms. But that doesn't make me....or anyone else who has strong views a bad supporter.

We're playing under exceptional circumstances.

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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #122 on: September 26, 2010, 01:40:04 AM »
Thats  abrilliant post mate. I lost my rag big style at half time today when the usual suspects came trotting out and giving all the abuse.


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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #123 on: September 26, 2010, 01:48:13 AM »
If on the other hand people are still saying that now we have a man-manager, motivator, someone who understands the Prem, can stop us underachieving, won't waste millions like Rafa......well then that will get fierce criticism if it isn't delivered.


I fail to see the whole man manager side of things with Roy. One of my biggest gripes with him was the comments he made post-Northhampton match going after our "b" side, having a chip at a group of players comprising of young lads. That certainly isn't man management to me. In fact it's quite the opposite.

Anyway, I don't want to slag the guy off. I don't agree with some of the decisions his made, but that happens in life. I certainly don't agree with his appointment and I don't think we'll improve one iota under Roy. We've not won a game away from home in 2010 and now have a manager who - at his previous club - failed to do the same thing for the whole of last season. How do you go to top 4 contenders from that? It's unrealistic, pure and simple.

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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #124 on: September 26, 2010, 01:48:14 AM »
He thought it was time for a change and gave his reasoning.  Fuckwit seems about right.
I thought you were saying he hadn't wanted a change? But yes he did, and I asked him whether he was pleased with the outcome. I highlighted the point in his post I objected to, if you missed it several other posted have picked up on it and agreed with it. What he posted was simply wrong:

Most of the fans slaughtering Hodgson now are the same ones who derided the fans who slaughtered Rafa when he was here

He then said:

I genuinely don't give a toss if this post is slammed, feel free. Have a pop.

I'd like him to answer himself whether the change he wanted is working out for him.
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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #125 on: September 26, 2010, 01:49:04 AM »
What's the point in 'backing' Roy when last Summer we lost a manager who we donated thousands of supportive posts to but couldn't change a fucking thing about their departure?

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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #126 on: September 26, 2010, 01:49:31 AM »
Yeah, there's no point in arguing with with fuckwits ...

Yeah Paul... I didn't quite 'get' your post initially, but now, along with this post, I'm beginning to see the light at the end of it.

When emotions are raw we do sometimes get overboard and call what we think is a spade a spade. We really shouldn't be doing it. It's not only classless, but a complete waste of time.

There so many better things to do in support the club now than spend time debating on fuckwit managers.

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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #127 on: September 26, 2010, 01:56:55 AM »
What's the point in 'backing' Roy when last Summer we lost a manager who we donated thousands of supportive posts to but couldn't change a fucking thing about their departure?


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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #128 on: September 26, 2010, 01:57:53 AM »
What's the point in 'backing' Roy when last Summer we lost a manager who we donated thousands of supportive posts to but couldn't change a fucking thing about their departure?

Thats a fair point...for you. :P

If I could add onto that and say that, whilst we debate the pro's and con's of Roy and lament Rafa, lets remember we have to do it with a bit of dignity and a bit of common sense, and debate, not come out with childish little name callings, he is our manager after all said and done and this is only the Internet, and matters not a jot in the whole grand scheme of things.

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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #129 on: September 26, 2010, 01:58:53 AM »
Yeah Paul... I didn't quite 'get' your post initially, but now, along with this post, I'm beginning to see the light at the end of it.

When emotions are raw we do sometimes get overboard and call what we think is a spade a spade. We really shouldn't be doing it. It's not only classless, but a complete waste of time.

There so many better things to do in support the club now than spend time debating on fuckwit managers.
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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #130 on: September 26, 2010, 02:02:57 AM »
Going by RAWK as an example, we've long since stopped being the 'best fans in the world'™. Oh but we must be, we don't stand for the owners doing what they are doing, we defend our own, we are the 12th man. Are we fuck, we are just turning into gobshites no better than the ones who eventually boo their team off the pitch or start singing the manager doesn't know what he's doing.

We've been gobshites for a couple of decades. The "best fans in the world" thing is an embarrassing cliche so let's not pretend we're trying to live by a higher ideal.
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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #131 on: September 26, 2010, 02:04:33 AM »
I fail to see the whole man manager side of things with Roy. One of my biggest gripes with him was the comments he made post-Northhampton match going after our "b" side, having a chip at a group of players comprising of young lads. That certainly isn't man management to me. In fact it's quite the opposite.

Agreed. It was a mistake from Roy and bad judgement whilst under pressure.

Young players like Kelly, Pachecho, Ngog and Wilson should not have been tarred with that broad brush of rebuke in public. That's not good man management.

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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #132 on: September 26, 2010, 02:06:49 AM »
i think you need to re-read his response.  He thought it was time for a change and gave his reasoning.  He didn't ask or clamour for the change. Fuckwit seems about right.

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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #133 on: September 26, 2010, 02:07:26 AM »
Yes its never happened before, so no its not the Liverpool way and something we are more used to seeing at clubs like Newcastle. But the fact is we are in new waters, we are in a situation that we as modern Liverpool fans havent faced before. we are teetering on the brink, we have been in crisis for years now and this is the latest aspect of that crisis.
One of the reasons it happens at clubs like Newcastle is because of the way they are run, because they get in substandard managers who arent up to the job and dont have the resources they need, coupled with unrealistic expectations of their fans (ours arent so unrealisitc, we want to play well and challenge for at least 4th this season)

You have to accept that although we tag ourselves as the best supporters, we are also exactly the same as everyone else in some aspects and there are loads who can be absolute bastards when things arent going well. We have fans in our ranks who can be terrible at times, yes they usually wait until the end of a regime or after a manager has been here for a while and things arent working, there was some terrible stuff about Houllier towards the end which was down right racist at times and not at all based on what was going on on the pitch. But this time its different, there is an edge and its coming sooner because of the circumstances in which we find ourselves.

This is what I said before Roy got the job and the exchange I had with xerxes over it -


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Someone should have a proper word with Hoddo, tell him that if he comes he will get very little support from the fans because he will be seen as their yes man stooge, loads wont care about giving him a chance or any grace, as soon as it starts to go wrong he will get the full blame, the board will let him take it as well and he will be fucked off within about 6 months. Stay were you are actually wanted Roy, stay the fuck away from us.

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Quote from: bootroom boy on June 22, 2010, 10:10:42 PM
I think you're wrong there! The majority of us support our managers, even when things aren't going right!

I know thats the tradition and the liverpool way, but I dont think it will apply here, there is too much going on and as I said a fair number wont give him any grace at all, loads will being fair minded and traditional, but I think the over all majority wont. Particularly if the Kenny rumours prove true and he fucks off because he doesnt think Roy is up to the job, very difficult for a lot of people to argue with Kennys opinion, particularly if things are going down the drain on the pitch.

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Quote from: xerxes1 on June 22, 2010, 10:26:42 PM
You also vastly underestimate the intelligence of our support regarding the fortunes of a new manager.


I dont, I put them opposite the shit we have had to put up with from the owners and the immense amount of frustration that has built up in the years since we won the title last, together with what the owners are doing and its a natural progression that Roy is going to get very little grace. If you had said at the beginning of last season that come now we would of sacked Rafa and be looking at getting in Roy Hodgson you would of been laughed off the net, but thats the depths we have sunk, some very big shoes to fill and I dont think Roy is the man to do it, there were those who never wanted rid of Rafa, so there will be plenty in our fanbase waiting with sharp knives for Roy to fall at the first fence.

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Quote from: xerxes1 on June 23, 2010, 12:37:26 AM
Its an opinion, but I think you are misreading the situation.

There was no popular move to get rid of Rafa despite evidence that he had lost the plot last season. That reflected a few things, credit from the previous five years, acknowledgement that G&H were the real problem, and an understanding that managerial change in itself was going to get us nowhere. I can foresee no appetite for further managerial change from the fans in the prevailing circumstances. What would be the point?

Kenny has had  no involvement in the day to day running of the club. Many would welcome him quitting his peripheral club role and getting behind SOS. It wouldn’t be a negative, but a positive. That Kenny has been prepared to help in finding a replacement for Rafa implies he agreed with the decision to let him go. That he would like to take the job on, despite G&H and no money, implies that he thinks the team can be revived with little more than a fresh face, belief and tactics. So if he is right, the new man stands a decent chance. Why would any Red wish Roy, or anyone else, failure?

Rafa has gone because his job was made impossible, and that is what the new manager has to take on. I think you confuse the role that you would like a Liverpool manager to perform, and the one that the new one will actually be faced with. Its not a question of big boots to fill, it s a job that will be very difficult to succeed in, and that will be, and is, acknowledged by most of our fan base.

I dont think people will be wishing failure, anything but, just that I dont think Roy is the man to do the job (I couldnt really say who is, one reason Rafa always had on his side as what was the alternative to him) whats more if/when things arent going well he will get the blame, because there are a fair few like me dont think he is up to the job to begin with, who will throw their hands up in frustration and will be all to happy to tell anyone who will listen that he is shite and they were right and the rot will start. From such little acorns and all that.

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I understand that view. But no appointment will have anything like unanimous support, even kenny. Where we disagree is that if whoever gets the job gets off to a poor start, i don't think the appetite for backbiting at the manager will be there because there is no "unity" candidate. Obviously Kenny comes closest to fitting that bill emotionally, but practically i think he would be higher risk than most of the mainstream candidates.

Oh I think there will be a grace period, I just dont think it will last very long, because I dont expect us to do very well (look at the bloody start we have to the season for one thing) and it wont be long before the cracks show and people will be saying he's no right for the job and he never was. At which point the board will be more than happy to let the blame fall on him.

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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #134 on: September 26, 2010, 02:07:55 AM »
What's the point in 'backing' Roy when last Summer we lost a manager who we donated thousands of supportive posts to but couldn't change a fucking thing about their departure?

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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #135 on: September 26, 2010, 02:11:17 AM »
Fucking embarrassing for a RAWK staff.

Appreciate it mate but don't get yourself into bother on my account. Besides it's now swarming with 'em, it's like Tron ;)
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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #136 on: September 26, 2010, 02:14:33 AM »
Fucking embarrassing for a RAWK staff.

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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #137 on: September 26, 2010, 02:15:45 AM »
yes i must up my game show my class and call the manager a fuckwit.

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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #138 on: September 26, 2010, 02:16:13 AM »

One of my favourite posters, fucking nailed on that mate. Well in.
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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #139 on: September 26, 2010, 02:16:24 AM »
The bottom line is that Roy's demise will be more down to the media than us having a go at him.
I said the same thing when Roy's name was thrown into the hat, the media will turn on him and they'll destroy him because he isn't as thick-skinned as Rafa.  All it takes is a few duff results and they;ll lay into him in the hope of forcing a big, headline-generating, managerial casualty.  Well, so far Roy isn't making his life any easier, and it's nothing to do with us as to the performances on the pitch.
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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #140 on: September 26, 2010, 02:23:24 AM »
Really ?

Yes, really. The point being we sometimes call what we think is a spade a spade when we're frustrated, if you've missed it. Just as the OP's done it, albeit indirectly.

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« Reply #141 on: September 26, 2010, 02:27:23 AM »
yes i must up my game show my class and call the manager a fuckwit.

Nobody's suggesting that to you. But go ahead if you must.

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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #142 on: September 26, 2010, 02:27:53 AM »
I get the sentiment of the post paul, and I know how fucked off you've been for a long time. And i agree about the name calling, some of it is pathetic. But like Mouth's said, we're in new, horrible, dark waters. Everyone and their mum knew that Roy was coming in to at the very best "steady the ship" or worse ("Managed decline" was a phrase used a lot before he came here).

Anyone calling him silly, playground names needs to take a look at themselves, but I fully admit that since Roy's been in charge his statements in the press have wound me up like no other has. And this is a massive point to the whole problem. We all know that he's mates with baconface, but waiting a week to defend torres was too long. But the northampton comments (just like alonso_the _assasin mentioned earlier) after the game have done more than put me at odds with him. There's a massive lack of man management going on. I've no problem in him being disappointed, feeling let down by the players. We all do/did after that game. But the way he came out with it was frankly, a disgrace. I stated in the "roy defends nando finally" thread that it seems like instead of a squad we've got the first team and then the rest who aren't good enough now.

Today we surrendered against sunderland, even after being gifted a goal in the first 6 mins (take that bruce you fat headed c*nt, that's karma for last year). Everyone on the pitch for us has played international football. None of them are shit players, but they looked lost, looked like they had no idea what formation they were supposed to be playing or who was supposed to be where on the pitch. So where does the blame lie for it? Roy, i'm sorry to say, has to take a very large brunt of the blame for all our performances which, aside from 20 mins with 10 men against arsenal, have all been nothing short of dire.

I want to give him time, i want...actually i want to not have to worry about the state of things on the pitch seeing as things off it are so, so bad, but I can't. I'm a Liverpool fan Paul. I get up at stupid times of the day to watch us play because i love the club and the team, and at the moment i feel utterly let down by what i see on the pitch. I've never seen us look so utterly disorganised apart from the last couple of months under GH (and even then i'm not sure it was this bad, but memory does put a glow on things)

People are frustrated and very tired Paul. The off the pitch decay has sapped us. You can't expect liverpool fans to be "the best fans in the world", it just can't happen. We're fighting, tooth and nail against people who are literally killing this club. Whilst I agree that the name callign needs to stop, and maybe cut roy a bit of slack, I think that you too should cut some of the people on here some slack as well.

Reasoned football debate isn't something that we can do at the moment. Everything about the existence of us as supporters is all or nothing, both off the pitch and on it. hopefully this will change soon.
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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #143 on: September 26, 2010, 02:28:38 AM »
Ah , leave her to it , she also thinks Busquets is rubbish so what can you do.
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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #144 on: September 26, 2010, 02:33:04 AM »
To Paul JH. Couldn't quote to your OP (on iPhone, took too long to delete your post!) Mate you're an intelligent guy. And passionate. I agree that callin people twats doesn't achieve anything, however people are angry and frustrated with Hodgson. I'm one of those fans.

I was a Rafa fan 100%. He is a top class manager and I wish he was still our manager. I have come to the no-turning back conclusion that Roy Hodgson is the wrong manager for this club. I had my reservations before he joined, but my mind is made up.

Today was my first game seeing the reds live at Anfield. The first half. I could have cried. I have no faith in the man.

I loved the You'll Never Walk Alone anthem. This for me is Liverpool. I was disappointed though. The area is  deprived, but suprised to see stuff boarded up. I knew Liverpool was under-developed but didn't get a feeling of 'Pride'

Got chatting with a taxi driver about Liverpool, and Rafa, and we agreed 100% with each other. Liverpool FC is in the doldrums and I fear for her. I don't know the answer to this, but was Liverpool more than it is today. I sincerely hope so, because I want to believe that the club has and some day, will still be special.

I wish I could have seen Liverpool FC in her glory years to get some perspective.

My point? People are frustrated. This once great(?) club is on it's deathbed. Maybe this comment is hyperbole and without context, but those are my impressions of the team and club/city in general. If I were Torres, Gerrard, I'd be outta there.

Football is actually dead for me. The magic has gone. I'm saying this, having only 2 hours sleep last night.

I'm playing footy again Tuesday with some random people, bit of a kick about. I enjoy it. I love it. I'm not sure I love the watching of the game anymore.

Incidently, a fan approached me to ask about the Standards Corrupted shirt I was wearing. He was really impressed. Those were my highlights, and the taxi conversation, and You'll never walk alone. Everything else is an illusion, a side show.

The people, that's Liverpool for me. I just wish the people had something to be proud about.

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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #145 on: September 26, 2010, 02:37:30 AM »
We're all nasty, horrible feckers one way or another. Best get used to it ;)

Nah, I'm quite used to it. Just couldn't help but take the invited shot on a boring Sunday morning.

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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #146 on: September 26, 2010, 02:37:30 AM »
Nobody's suggesting that to you. But go ahead if you must.

I was referring to following your shinning example.

There so many better things to do in support the club now than spend time debating on fuckwit managers.

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=263652.0

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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #147 on: September 26, 2010, 02:46:08 AM »
One of my favourite posters, fucking nailed on that mate. Well in.

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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #148 on: September 26, 2010, 02:49:31 AM »
I was referring to following your shinning example.

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=263652.0

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Sorry for that mate, I was having a dig at the OP, if you didn't get the drift.

I was illustrating the point that people needn't take the high ground when they themself stoop to such name calling in frustration. Especially in an internet forum.

You really should learn to refrain from quoting people out of context.

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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #149 on: September 26, 2010, 02:52:04 AM »
Paul,

As much as I would love to defend the manager, I can't.

He is tearing apart a good, solid team with players who simply are not up to the task. Poulsen and Konchesky thus far have been absolute disasters (at fault for the first Man u goal, and again at fault for the 2nd Sunderland cross). For all their "experince" they have been bypassed, beaten on crosses and have shown nothing new or inventive or cultured that we didn't already have under Insua on the left back slot or even trying to bring in Paul Parker, a seasoned midfielder would would have probably cost the same or slightly more than Raul or Poulsen and would probably be doing a better job in the middle of the park than either of the two new midfielders.

And where do I start about the strike force? Keeping Babel was always going to be his call and he clearly should have sold Babel and brought in a proper, striker who could come on and inspire the team and either create, cause mayhem or get us a goal if an opportunity came. He didn't. In Purslow's interview last week, he clearly stated money was available but Roy chose NOT to buy. And it's now coming back to bite him in the arse.

He is, quite frankly, LUCKY Torres hasn't suffered yet another serious injury...because it was 2 assists from Torres last weekend, and another pair of assists from Torres this weekend that have got us goals...take him out of the equation and can you really, really see any creativitiy up front? Cole has not been the revelation we expected thus far because he isn't getting the support up front or service he needs to create. Jova has been flat thus far...Gerrard is playing deeper than normal, the first we have seen him do in a number of years, whilst Poulsen can't stem/hold the midfield.

We are simply getting bypassed by locomotive trains every bloody time we play! It happened AT ANFIELD against West Brom and we were lucky to come away with  Torres goal to win it, it happened at Birmingham where we were over fun for all of 80 minutes and for exceptional goalkeeping from Reina or we would have been 0-3 down at half time! And let's not even start about the Man U match...they were all over us, midfield was again no where to be seen, Cole and Maxi starved of any service for 60 minutes...we got back into it BRIEFLY for 15 minutes and promptly sat back and conceded yet another stupid goal from a cross that shouldn't have happened.

Roy has had OPPORTUNITIES to bring in left back cover, to bring in at least another striker, to bring in quality, experinced PREMIERSHIP midfield, but didn't.

This is a guy with one of the WORST away records as a manager in the premiership and it's no surprise thus far, our away record is as bad as it was at the start of last season. He doesn't inspire me, he doesn't stand up for his players when he should, especially his number 1 "asset" who is called a diver and a cheat and waits a bloody week to comment on it, blames the team for the Northampton defeat when its him who picks the side and the substitutes and plays Babel who, yet again, has done jack all in his time at the club, bar a few inspired, impact substitutions, coming on to change the pace of the match against tired opposition but otherwise, is AWOL whenever starting match's...

Has he not learned anything from the mistakes Rafa made as a manager? Does he really think everyone in the support are stupid goats who know nothing about football?

And for "supporters" like YOU to come on out and to claim you are embarrassed/ashamed with the attitude of support like me? Oh please. I was there in the mid 80's at Anfield watching GOOD, ATTACKING FOOTBALL without defending being compromised under Kenny Dalglish, and have been/seen it all under Souness, the Evans years and then the Houllier years.

You can speak for yourself and a number of supporters but you don't speak for me.

This is NOT what Liverpool Football Club are about, this is NOT the way we should be playing, nor should a number of players who have been failures at the club for the longest time even BE HERE to start with. We are in such a state that we are resorting to buying players like Poulsen, who bring NOTHING to the side....and Konchesky, an average journey man who simply cannot defend crosses..the simplest of things a full back is supposed to be able to do.

And Johnson, for 18 million pounds, and for all his industry as an attacking right back is still plagued d by his inability to concentrate, and mark players. His positioning on crosses, his focus and his ball watching remain a massive liability in a side that needs to stop conceding stupid goals. Did you notice when Carra was switched to right back last season whilst Johnson was out how the crosses coming in from the right went down sharply and it was Insua who was getting flack for the crosses coming in from the left?

And the treatment of Agger. This is one of the best defenders at the club, if not THE BEST center half's. He is on the bench, out on the left or is left kicking and watching on the bench whilst we conceded, game after game after game stupid, pointless goals that are for the most part, school boy error goals.

Tactics are worry..we simply sit back far too deep because we are afraid fo the pace of center forwards who would unmask Carra's lack of pace if we did push up when its obvious the midfield and attack are too far apart now because of this need to sit deep, and to play defensively and to NOT conceded first....

But here lies the problem. THIS IS NOT THE WAY WE PLAY FOOTBALL. We are not a poor side that depends on counter attacking to win us games. We shouldn't. We have some of the best players in the world in this team and we are now scrapping for points, going into match's expecting to LOSE and you expect supporters like me to sit and take this kind of shit?

Get over yourself.

And anyone else who suddenly feel's the need to stand up for a manager who just never had a clue from day one.

You stand up for your players, you give them confidence you believe in them and you stand up for the club and supporters when assholes like Ferguson have a go at the club. The one thing you cannot fault Ferguson is his undying loyalty and protection of his players...he may rant, and he may talk nonsense and act like the massive tit he is..but he stands by his players, protects them to the hilt with the media..and that quite frankly, isn't what I have seen from Roy.

For the most part, I think he is incompetant and for all his experince as a journeyman throughout Europe as a manager, what exactly has he achieved that warrants huge amounts of respect for his tactics and "success?" What?

Why can't we play attacking football and put pressure on the opposition from the whistle? WHY?

We are an absolute embarrasment to watch and it goes back even to last season so Rafa is also at fault to some degree with the quality of football we have had to put up with. We have the talent, we have the players but we can't seem to get the tactics right, the training right pre-match nor educating the players on simple rules of defending. Who is at fault for that? The manager? The coach's? Who!?

Seriously!
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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #150 on: September 26, 2010, 03:01:06 AM »
You really should learn to refrain from quoting people out of context.

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haha you fun.  You said its classless to call a spade a spade and then the very next sentence says there's better things to do than discuss fuckwit managers. 

As the thread is a discussion about roy i presume this is the fuckwit manager to whom you refer?   

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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #151 on: September 26, 2010, 03:01:24 AM »
Paul,

As much as I would love to defend the manager, I can't.

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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #152 on: September 26, 2010, 03:08:16 AM »

haha you fun.  You said its classless to call a spade a spade and then the very next sentence says there's better things to do than discuss fuckwit managers. 

As the thread is a discussion about roy i presume this is the fuckwit manager to whom you refer?   

Again, out of context. I said we have better things to do than spend time debating on fuckwit managers. Did I single out Roy for that accolade? No. Did I say Roy's a fuckwit because of his crap tactics, man management and handling of the media? No.

I said we have better things to do, mate.

If you can't get the subtle difference, please go ahead and push the ban button on me. But do us all a favour by pushing the button on yourself too for directly calling a poster a fuckwit.

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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #153 on: September 26, 2010, 03:12:34 AM »
uh huh.   i didnt call anyone a fuckwit.  I said as its sounds about right.  Dont go misquoting me now.   ;)

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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #154 on: September 26, 2010, 03:12:41 AM »
Being a fan and following the mythical "Liverpool way" means something different to each one of us. To me it is boycotting games, writing letters and trying to overcome the apathy of any reds that I meet.

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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #155 on: September 26, 2010, 03:14:18 AM »
Again, out of context. I said we have better things to do than spend time debating on fuckwit managers. Did I single out Roy for that accolade? No. Did I say Roy's a fuckwit because of his crap tactics, man management and handling of the media? No.

I said we have better things to do, mate.

If you can't get the subtle difference, please go ahead and push the ban button on me. But do us all a favour by pushing the button on yourself too for directly calling a poster a fuckwit.


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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #156 on: September 26, 2010, 03:15:09 AM »
I really really don't.
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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #157 on: September 26, 2010, 03:15:32 AM »
Supporting and abusing don't have to come hand in hand though.

For some strange reason I find myself defending him when people take the mickey out of him, even though I believe he is not the man for the job.
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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #158 on: September 26, 2010, 03:26:36 AM »
uh huh.   i didnt call anyone a fuckwit.  I said as its sounds about right.  Dont go misquoting me now.   ;)

I haven't. You have. Check.

Ah well. Feck it. We've all sunk to the level of turds in the fecking toilet bowl. /looks at wallclock/. I'm off.

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Re: What exactly DOES it entail being a supporter at the moment?
« Reply #159 on: September 26, 2010, 03:27:12 AM »