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Re: Liverpool Vs Northampton In Game Shit and Post Match Guesswork
« Reply #1960 on: September 23, 2010, 09:45:40 am »
I fucking hate Rafa

1) Rafa didn't give deserved respect to cup competitions and championship clubs.
2) Rafa always prioritizes CL over league and Domestic competition.
3) CL is useless competition which anyone can win. CL success doesn't mean Rafa is good coach.
4) The merit of a coach has be decided by domestic competition and by that measure he is shit. The FA cup and 2nd league positions were by luck. His true qualities were exposed last season. The previous 5 years were fluke. Jammy bastard.
5) Rafa doesn't have clue about how to play football. Too negative and mighty lucky since the good teams who lose against his Liverpool are having bad day.
6) Plays with two defensive midfielders and lone striker up front. He is too coward and negative to play 4-4-2 the best attacking formation of all time.
7) Ruined the club. Didn't earned any money for club, wasted load on bad transfers and put that massive dept on club and financially fucked the club. Cheeky ba***rd still went away with 3 Million as compensation.
8) How dare he didn't rolled down in his pants when fungus came calling and had audacity to stand up against him.
9) Doesn't give respect to his fellow managers. The Moyes and fat sam (better manager than wenger and capable of managing Real madrid etc) are 10 times the manager he ever will be. So what if they didn't win any silverware, they are streets above him.
10) Players hate him. Too cold for them. Get a manager who can put arm around their shoulder and watch Liverpool rocket to the peak of domestic and European glory.


Thanks God for listening to us fans and making our dream come true and getting rid of that incompetent and clueless Manager.


oooohhhh I see what your doing there.


On topic though...

The fringe players didn't seem to care last night. If there were some good performances out there they were all youth players.

Kelly, Pacheco in particular I thought played well. Agger had some good stages and it was good to see a centre back come up the pitch we the ball, rather than hoofing it.
Our off the ball movement with Ngog and Babel was static. Shelvey should have got more game time tonight.

Just a thought...


Why not have Torres, Gerrard, Meireles and maybe even Maxi on the bench. Just in case we are having a shocker and at risk of being knocked out of the competition by
a team at the bottom of league 2. You know... A plan B I think it's called

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Re: Liverpool Vs Northampton In Game Shit and Post Match Guesswork
« Reply #1961 on: September 23, 2010, 09:45:48 am »
Shocked by this abysmal result.
Roy, release us from your presence!

So you wanted Rafa out and you want Roy out. How long before you turn on our next manager?
We have to change from doubter to believer. Now.

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Re: Liverpool Vs Northampton In Game Shit and Post Match Guesswork
« Reply #1962 on: September 23, 2010, 09:45:53 am »



I fucking hate Rafa

Thanks God for listening to us fans and making our dream come true and getting rid of that incompetent and clueless Manager.

 


Exactly.

Looks like he is making a real mess of things over at Inter as well.

Benitez wants Inter Milan to stay grounded
23.09.10 | madeupnonsense.com
READ MORE NEWS ON: Inter Milan, Rafa Benitez
Inter Milan boss Rafa Benitez wants his players to stay grounded after their 4-0 thrashing of Bari.

There's claims Inter are already running away with the title.

But Benitez cautioned: “It’s not a breakaway run. The season is long and we are just at the start, but of course it is always nice to be on top.

“The system is not important, as what counts is the quality, intensity and mentality of the players.

“If we see the right mentality, as we did tonight, then the team is balanced, regardless of the result.”

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Re: Liverpool Vs Northampton In Game Shit and Post Match Guesswork
« Reply #1963 on: September 23, 2010, 09:48:09 am »
This is how it started at Leeds and Portsmouth.  Good players who did well one season (Leeds in the CL, Portsmouth in the FA Cup) become familiar with the financial state of the club.  The manager gets no support, the players feed off the manager's malaise, the manager eventually leaves and the club starts selling good players.  The relative successes of the previous season is forgotten at the start of the new one and the bad results start coming thick and fast. The rot has set in and the only way is down.

Call me a doom-monger but I fear for us, I really do.

terrifying if you look at it like that, and the similarities are spot on.
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Re: Liverpool Vs Northampton In Game Shit and Post Match Guesswork
« Reply #1964 on: September 23, 2010, 09:50:14 am »
I got no further than that.

maybe you should read on a bit. inherited rafa's mess? yeah, 12 world cup players and some of the best u19s in the world. that is a fucking joke of a statement. you sound like mark bright.

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Re: Liverpool Vs Northampton In Game Shit and Post Match Guesswork
« Reply #1965 on: September 23, 2010, 09:51:54 am »
jesus people! give roy a friggen break he been here 2months we're still in the transitition period!! we all know the reason we are in this posistion and its not because of Roy or Rafa so pull your fucking heads out of the sand and get a fucking grip of yourselves calling for roys head already! Fucking 'most knowledgable fans in the world' we are and 'best supporters' in the world yeah alright!

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Re: Liverpool Vs Northampton In Game Shit and Post Match Guesswork
« Reply #1966 on: September 23, 2010, 09:52:39 am »
This blame Rafa business is complete toss. Let's give Ramos credit for Spurs' current success, Scolari credit for Chelsea's, give Houllier credit for Istanbul...oh wait some people actually believe that last one.

A team containing six internationals and managed by an experienced Premier league manager, aided by a very experienced Premier league coach, were outplayed by a 4th division team - yeah a 4th division team; fuck all this bollocks about league 2. 4th division. All of the above should be ashamed of themselves. Full stop.
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Re: Liverpool Vs Northampton In Game Shit and Post Match Guesswork
« Reply #1967 on: September 23, 2010, 09:52:45 am »
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“If we see the right mentality, as we did tonight, then the team is balanced, regardless of the result.”

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Re: Liverpool Vs Northampton In Game Shit and Post Match Guesswork
« Reply #1968 on: September 23, 2010, 09:54:42 am »
“The system is not important, as what counts is the quality, intensity and mentality of the players.

Which could be misunderstood by a lot.

It doesn´t mean to have NO system, or to not have a quality, modern football approach on the pitch. He means that the system is nothing if the players are not commited as we saw last year. He means that it doesn´t matter WHICH system he let the players play on different occassions on the pitch.

STILL we had a fundament. Every player knew what to do on the pitch but would´t do anything in addition, some of them.
So as we weren´t really convincing we still weren´t outplayed. The basics were there.

Now we have nothing but the commitment of the players. Without a proper organisation you get outplayed by West Bromwich or even Northampton.
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Re: Liverpool Vs Northampton In Game Shit and Post Match Guesswork
« Reply #1969 on: September 23, 2010, 09:54:46 am »
Roy, I hate to say it, but it's time to step up. 
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Re: Liverpool Vs Northampton In Game Shit and Post Match Guesswork
« Reply #1970 on: September 23, 2010, 09:55:01 am »
I support Roy as our manager, and I supported his appointment with no other obviously better choices.

I agree with you that it has been an uninspired start, and am not defending that ( as our defenders have been not defending...).

We all support LFC... You honestly didn't see any other better manager at the time?

We are going backwards fast. Why is it that Roy hasn't had a positive affect? He's got to shoulder the blame for the ON THE PITCH failures.

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Re: Liverpool Vs Northampton In Game Shit and Post Match Guesswork
« Reply #1971 on: September 23, 2010, 09:55:03 am »



Exactly.

Looks like he is making a real mess of things over at Inter as well.

Benitez wants Inter Milan to stay grounded
23.09.10 | madeupnonsense.com
READ MORE NEWS ON: Inter Milan, Rafa Benitez
Inter Milan boss Rafa Benitez wants his players to stay grounded after their 4-0 thrashing of Bari.

There's claims Inter are already running away with the title.

But Benitez cautioned: “It’s not a breakaway run. The season is long and we are just at the start, but of course it is always nice to be on top.

“The system is not important, as what counts is the quality, intensity and mentality of the players.

“If we see the right mentality, as we did tonight, then the team is balanced, regardless of the result.”



No thats the team Houllier left him its got nothing to do with Rafa. What Houiller wasnt there? Do they have one French player anywhere? even in the youth team? Ah one 15 year old yeah Houiller did have the main influence I told you its his victory's not Rafa's. Rafa just f**ked up Roy actually Roy was at inter then. What he didn't go any good? Must have been Rafa that screwed him.....

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Re: Liverpool Vs Northampton In Game Shit and Post Match Guesswork
« Reply #1972 on: September 23, 2010, 09:55:22 am »
I've read a few posts now saying 'give Roy a chance'. 'the players are just as much to blame'. I have decided to post the reasons why I feel Hodgson is the most culpable person for this result. Feel free to counter argue if you disagree.

Firstly he made 11 changes for a cup game. Now, when Benitez first started mass rotations the media were up in arms, saying he did not take the cup seriously. But Benitez always left experienced players on the bench as a fall back in case things got tricky. Hodgson did no such thing. While I welcomed the change in personnel (though was frankly concerned at so many changes) not having any experience in case of emergency was a bad mistake.

The make up and formation of the team was also questionable. Hodgson effectively played 4 Cbs in a flat back four. I know Kelly has played quite a bit at RB but he is more suited to a central berth, while Wilson is still raw and an unknown quantity, but was signed as a CB. Again, while it can be argued that players playing FB rather than CB is not that problematic, there was no plan B on the bench, no back-up in case it all went wrong.

In midfield we had the inexperienced Spearing and Pacheco, as well as the experienced Lucas and newbie but experienced Jova. Unfortunately the make-up of the midfield was unbalanced. Pacheco is an attacking player who is usually played centrally and behind the strike force. Jova is a wide man who hugs the touchline. Last night Spearing and Lucas played deep like you would in a 433, Jova stayed wide like a standard winger in 442, while pacheco kept cutting into central positions. The result was massive gaps all over the pitch, put particularly across the middle of the park.

Up front both Ngog and Babel seemed confused as to their role. Were they playing a 442 side by side, or a 433 with Babel in the hole? In the end both players just ran to wherever they thought they could get the ball. Babel kept occupying the same space as Jova, while Ngog kept dropping off to try to receive the ball. There was no synergy between the forwards and none between the forwards and midfield.

The game panned out strangely, a static backline rarely venturing forward, a wayward midfield following their own instincts rather than a gameplan and unorthodox forward play by strikers unclear as to the role they were playing. The shape of the team was poor and needed direction, but none was forthcoming from the manager.

After the game Hodgson claimed that the team didn't play as he wanted them to, until the last 15 minutes. This criticism of the the team by the manager (and I really don't like our manager making comments like this) automatically generates the following question. If you didn't like the way the team was playing, why didn't you change it? This is the next mistake by the manager, imo, the slowness of reaction. It was not until the 90 minutes that he made his first change. The same lack of gameplan and discordant formation was in evidence and still in use in normal playing time. Why wait so long to make a move? Is that not poor management? Even when the change came, it made little sense. One of our experienced players (Jova) was taken off from a wide position and replaced by Ecclestone, a would be forward. Now the imbalance on the right was being mirrored by the imbalance on the left. Little wonder that a tiring and ragged Wilson was caught out of position and lacking cover for the second goal. With no experience on the bench and changes coming so late, inexperienced and young players like Wilson and Pacheco were out on their feet.

the next change when it came was also inexplicable. Jonjo, a box to box midfielder, came on for Ryan Babel.  Now, say what you like about Babel and his performance, but taking him off when a goal was needed and penalties in the offing for a midfielder was not the move of a man with a clear plan. Rather it was reactive, and while Jonjo did well, it still reflects the managers bizarre frame of mind. The final substitution was even more unusual, Young Ince, a raw talent, but not the man to get goals or be in place for penalties came on for a flagging Pacheco. Now, having Pacheco for penalties would have been useful, but I can understand the need to replace him... but for someone so far from first team football?

In the end we clawed back a goal, but only in the most ridiculous manner. We sent a CB up front, played 3 at the back and started balls long in the hope Soto would get a flick on. That is the recourse of the desperate, a long ball game unsuited to a top side... however, Hodgson later admitted that it was during this period that the team played as he wanted them to. Is this what Hodgson wants from his team? 3 CBs pumping long balls over the the top of a mish mash of midfielders to a big man up front? Is that where we want our manager to take us as a club?

The final error as I see it was in the selection of the penalty takers. Selecting a raft of youngster to take the penalties was a mistake, originating from the lack of experienced options on the bench and compounded by the decision to withdraw our most experienced players (Babel and Jova, the goal scorer) from the pitch. Ecclestone should not have been asked to take on such a responsibility, nor should Jonjo (though kudos to him, he took his goal well).

Ultimately this was a failing of management, someone who did not take the competition or the opposition seriously, put out a poorly balanced and prepared team, failed to rectify errors due to a lack of options from the bench or an alternative plan B if plan A failed and who selected too many inexperienced and raw players for the final test, a penalty shoot-out.

One final observation; When Benitez struggled to make 4th last year, at least he was competing for that position, and that was with a raft of injuries and poor officiating decisions (beachball). Already with nearly the same team Hodgson has us mired near relegation and out of a cup. He has already as good as said in the media we need to re-evaluate our expectations, that this team is not good enough to challenge. Thing is, only 2 of the players he brought in were on show and he withdrew 1 of those. Where was Cole, Poulsen and Meireles last night? They all need playing time for match fitness and to gel with team mates. How come they weren't at least on the bench? They are his players after all.

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Re: Liverpool Vs Northampton In Game Shit and Post Match Guesswork
« Reply #1973 on: September 23, 2010, 09:58:33 am »
jesus people! give roy a friggen break he been here 2months we're still in the transitition period!! we all know the reason we are in this posistion and its not because of Roy or Rafa so pull your fucking heads out of the sand and get a fucking grip of yourselves calling for roys head already! Fucking 'most knowledgable fans in the world' we are and 'best supporters' in the world yeah alright!

Brownie are you saying that the on the pitch failure this season has nothing to do with Roy? The failure to beat a struggling side at home is nothing I've seen since the days of Souness and Bristol games.

Oh and you know you only have to look at the other threads of campaigns to know that alot do as much as they can to help with the off the field stuff but don't give the rubbish that you can't sit down and look how shite things are on the pitch. Roy's management could set us further back unless things change.

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Re: Liverpool Vs Northampton In Game Shit and Post Match Guesswork
« Reply #1974 on: September 23, 2010, 09:58:40 am »
jesus people! give roy a friggen break he been here 2months we're still in the transitition period!! we all know the reason we are in this posistion and its not because of Roy or Rafa so pull your fucking heads out of the sand and get a fucking grip of yourselves calling for roys head already! Fucking 'most knowledgable fans in the world' we are and 'best supporters' in the world yeah alright!

Fucking rubbish....NOTHING to do with owners or boardroom that....just shite pure and simple...that was a DIVISION FOUR who wallopped us, a team with SIX full internationals in it....NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TWO ARSŁHOLES...just shit pure and simple.
The situation on the ownership CANNOT be used as an excuse for every malaise....that was just crap, and I would suggest the hand in the sand shit be directed at others of your view...the football played was rank.

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Re: Liverpool Vs Northampton In Game Shit and Post Match Guesswork
« Reply #1975 on: September 23, 2010, 09:59:22 am »
The result was massive gaps all over the pitch, put particularly across the middle of the park.
 In the end players just ran to wherever they thought they could get the ball.
The game panned out strangely, a static backline rarely venturing forward, a wayward midfield following their own instincts rather than a gameplan and unorthodox forward play by strikers unclear as to the role they were playing. The shape of the team was poor and needed direction, but none was forthcoming from the manager.






He has already as good as said in the media we need to re-evaluate our expectations, that this team is not good enough to challenge. Thing is, only 2 of the players he brought in were on show and he withdrew 1 of those. Where was Cole, Poulsen and Meireles last night? They all need playing time for match fitness and to gel with team mates. How come they weren't at least on the bench? They are his players after all.



I think this is an excellent post!!!


Just highlighted my favourite quotes, I reckon you summed it up very good, especially the first part with concerning tactics. Exactly my impression, Roy has no clue on modern football. Sorry.
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Re: Liverpool Vs Northampton In Game Shit and Post Match Guesswork
« Reply #1976 on: September 23, 2010, 09:59:58 am »
Roy, I hate to say it, but it's time to step up. 
After that ...step up, or step off........

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Re: Liverpool Vs Northampton In Game Shit and Post Match Guesswork
« Reply #1977 on: September 23, 2010, 10:00:14 am »
I've read a few posts now saying 'give Roy a chance'. 'the players are just as much to blame'. I have decided to post the reasons why I feel Hodgson is the most culpable person for this result. Feel free to counter argue if you disagree.

Firstly he made 11 changes for a cup game. Now, when Benitez first started mass rotations the media were up in arms, saying he did not take the cup seriously. But Benitez always left experienced players on the bench as a fall back in case things got tricky. Hodgson did no such thing. While I welcomed the change in personnel (though was frankly concerned at so many changes) not having any experience in case of emergency was a bad mistake.

The make up and formation of the team was also questionable. Hodgson effectively played 4 Cbs in a flat back four. I know Kelly has played quite a bit at RB but he is more suited to a central berth, while Wilson is still raw and an unknown quantity, but was signed as a CB. Again, while it can be argued that players playing FB rather than CB is not that problematic, there was no plan B on the bench, no back-up in case it all went wrong.

In midfield we had the inexperienced Spearing and Pacheco, as well as the experienced Lucas and newbie but experienced Jova. Unfortunately the make-up of the midfield was unbalanced. Pacheco is an attacking player who is usually played centrally and behind the strike force. Jova is a wide man who hugs the touchline. Last night Spearing and Lucas played deep like you would in a 433, Jova stayed wide like a standard winger in 442, while pacheco kept cutting into central positions. The result was massive gaps all over the pitch, put particularly across the middle of the park.

Up front both Ngog and Babel seemed confused as to their role. Were they playing a 442 side by side, or a 433 with Babel in the hole? In the end both players just ran to wherever they thought they could get the ball. Babel kept occupying the same space as Jova, while Ngog kept dropping off to try to receive the ball. There was no synergy between the forwards and none between the forwards and midfield.

The game panned out strangely, a static backline rarely venturing forward, a wayward midfield following their own instincts rather than a gameplan and unorthodox forward play by strikers unclear as to the role they were playing. The shape of the team was poor and needed direction, but none was forthcoming from the manager.

After the game Hodgson claimed that the team didn't play as he wanted them to, until the last 15 minutes. This criticism of the the team by the manager (and I really don't like our manager making comments like this) automatically generates the following question. If you didn't like the way the team was playing, why didn't you change it? This is the next mistake by the manager, imo, the slowness of reaction. It was not until the 90 minutes that he made his first change. The same lack of gameplan and discordant formation was in evidence and still in use in normal playing time. Why wait so long to make a move? Is that not poor management? Even when the change came, it made little sense. One of our experienced players (Jova) was taken off from a wide position and replaced by Ecclestone, a would be forward. Now the imbalance on the right was being mirrored by the imbalance on the left. Little wonder that a tiring and ragged Wilson was caught out of position and lacking cover for the second goal. With no experience on the bench and changes coming so late, inexperienced and young players like Wilson and Pacheco were out on their feet.

the next change when it came was also inexplicable. Jonjo, a box to box midfielder, came on for Ryan Babel.  Now, say what you like about Babel and his performance, but taking him off when a goal was needed and penalties in the offing for a midfielder was not the move of a man with a clear plan. Rather it was reactive, and while Jonjo did well, it still reflects the managers bizarre frame of mind. The final substitution was even more unusual, Young Ince, a raw talent, but not the man to get goals or be in place for penalties came on for a flagging Pacheco. Now, having Pacheco for penalties would have been useful, but I can understand the need to replace him... but for someone so far from first team football?

In the end we clawed back a goal, but only in the most ridiculous manner. We sent a CB up front, played 3 at the back and started balls long in the hope Soto would get a flick on. That is the recourse of the desperate, a long ball game unsuited to a top side... however, Hodgson later admitted that it was during this period that the team played as he wanted them to. Is this what Hodgson wants from his team? 3 CBs pumping long balls over the the top of a mish mash of midfielders to a big man up front? Is that where we want our manager to take us as a club?

The final error as I see it was in the selection of the penalty takers. Selecting a raft of youngster to take the penalties was a mistake, originating from the lack of experienced options on the bench and compounded by the decision to withdraw our most experienced players (Babel and Jova, the goal scorer) from the pitch. Ecclestone should not have been asked to take on such a responsibility, nor should Jonjo (though kudos to him, he took his goal well).

Ultimately this was a failing of management, someone who did not take the competition or the opposition seriously, put out a poorly balanced and prepared team, failed to rectify errors due to a lack of options from the bench or an alternative plan B if plan A failed and who selected too many inexperienced and raw players for the final test, a penalty shoot-out.

One final observation; When Benitez struggled to make 4th last year, at least he was competing for that position, and that was with a raft of injuries and poor officiating decisions (beachball). Already with nearly the same team Hodgson has us mired near relegation and out of a cup. He has already as good as said in the media we need to re-evaluate our expectations, that this team is not good enough to challenge. Thing is, only 2 of the players he brought in were on show and he withdrew 1 of those. Where was Cole, Poulsen and Meireles last night? They all need playing time for match fitness and to gel with team mates. How come they weren't at least on the bench? They are his players after all.



Applause from me. Agree whole heartedly.

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Re: Liverpool Vs Northampton In Game Shit and Post Match Guesswork
« Reply #1978 on: September 23, 2010, 10:00:57 am »
Can't really add anything to that.

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Re: Liverpool Vs Northampton In Game Shit and Post Match Guesswork
« Reply #1979 on: September 23, 2010, 10:01:34 am »
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If you didn't like the way the team was playing, why didn't you change it? This is the next mistake by the manager, imo, the slowness of reaction

Not having that. According to Sky, Talkshite etc. Rafa was too controlling. All we had to do was to get someone like Roy in, release the shackles and let the players play without over instructing them. Far better for Roy to sit there head in hands rather than having Rafa barking instructions and doing those funny little hand gestures that commentator always had a snide little dig at.
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Re: Liverpool Vs Northampton In Game Shit and Post Match Guesswork
« Reply #1980 on: September 23, 2010, 10:01:55 am »
"Ultimately this was a failing of management, someone who did not take the competition or the opposition seriously, put out a poorly balanced and prepared team, failed to rectify errors due to a lack of options from the bench or an alternative plan B if plan A failed and who selected too many inexperienced and raw players for the final test, a penalty shoot-out."

This......bang on...


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Re: Liverpool Vs Northampton In Game Shit and Post Match Guesswork
« Reply #1981 on: September 23, 2010, 10:03:29 am »



Exactly.

Looks like he is making a real mess of things over at Inter as well.

Benitez wants Inter Milan to stay grounded
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Inter Milan boss Rafa Benitez wants his players to stay grounded after their 4-0 thrashing of Bari.

There's claims Inter are already running away with the title.

But Benitez cautioned: “It’s not a breakaway run. The season is long and we are just at the start, but of course it is always nice to be on top.

“The system is not important, as what counts is the quality, intensity and mentality of the players.

“If we see the right mentality, as we did tonight, then the team is balanced, regardless of the result.”




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Re: Liverpool Vs Northampton In Game Shit and Post Match Guesswork
« Reply #1982 on: September 23, 2010, 10:04:57 am »



Exactly.

Looks like he is making a real mess of things over at Inter as well.

Benitez wants Inter Milan to stay grounded
23.09.10 | madeupnonsense.com
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Inter Milan boss Rafa Benitez wants his players to stay grounded after their 4-0 thrashing of Bari.

There's claims Inter are already running away with the title.

But Benitez cautioned: “It’s not a breakaway run. The season is long and we are just at the start, but of course it is always nice to be on top.

“The system is not important, as what counts is the quality, intensity and mentality of the players.

“If we see the right mentality, as we did tonight, then the team is balanced, regardless of the result.”




For fuck sake can you please relax. First of all Rafa is managing a team that won 3 trophies last year. So the comment above is completely stupid. Rafa's first day in charge he drew!! OH MY GOD!!!

Roy is not on the same caliper as Rafa (according to stats) but at the same time Rafa didnt do much better last year. Most of the players last night were Rafa's old players but that does not mean its Rafa fault or that it is Roys fault.

The fault is a combination of all the below:

1. Players .... We are talking about professional players that will be able to get a position at even the low table EPL teams. They lost to a LEague 2 team
2. Managers. Current and previous. Roy has not impressed and Rafa didnt EITHER last season. What talksport said was right in a way. It is his legacy but it was not his fault for losing last night but he had something with the current players available for Roy
3. Owners.. The club is a mess. The owners were not on the pitch last night and the players are GOOD enough to beat any league 2 team. Blaming the owners alone is stupid , childish.

Be more realistic for fuck sake. Everybody are at fault and yes that includes some fans Messiah called Rafa.. He is gone move on...

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Re: Liverpool Vs Northampton In Game Shit and Post Match Guesswork
« Reply #1983 on: September 23, 2010, 10:06:09 am »
with no other obviously better choices.

sorry mate. while i respect your business analyses that's quite a naff statement.

others have pointed already out pellegrini- but roy as the best of the lot? err no.

give him some more time, he better step- that was dire last night. even during the mancs- turning nando into a clone of bobby by hoofing then having the kid knock down balls to no one is just crazy.
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« Reply #1984 on: September 23, 2010, 10:07:06 am »
I stopped reading after this incredulous statement;

2. Managers. Current and previous. ROy has not impressed and Rafa didnt EITHER last season.
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« Reply #1985 on: September 23, 2010, 10:07:40 am »
still pissed off about the comment on shelvey, ffs the kid is what 18 and just put in a good shit in his debut for the club then to hear the manager say its only because the other team where tired, imagine how that made shelvey feel, i know i wouldnt be arsed to impress again if my manager said that

Fucking hell, I didn't know he said that. That is disgraceful. He should have been starting in the first place and he was great when he came on. People like Shelvey should be the future of this club, not get slagged off like that.

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Re: Liverpool Vs Northampton In Game Shit and Post Match Guesswork
« Reply #1986 on: September 23, 2010, 10:07:58 am »

Roy is not on the same caliper as Rafa (according to stats)

considering the Bosphorus has been engorging on pasta, yes he's not the same caliper as Roy.
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Re: Liverpool Vs Northampton In Game Shit and Post Match Guesswork
« Reply #1987 on: September 23, 2010, 10:08:43 am »
Excellent analysis DonkeyWan!

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Re: Liverpool Vs Northampton In Game Shit and Post Match Guesswork
« Reply #1988 on: September 23, 2010, 10:10:28 am »
I stopped reading after this incredulous statement;


Proud Red you probably cant read that's why you stopped. Sorry did we upset your Rafa.. Go and support Inter for fuck sake if you are so determined with Rafa. This is Liverpool.
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Re: Liverpool Vs Northampton In Game Shit and Post Match Guesswork
« Reply #1989 on: September 23, 2010, 10:10:40 am »



totally agree. the man is totally out of his depth and cannot be allowed to sell/buy any more players. he will only destroy the foundations laid by our previous world class manager. I was angry last night but ive had time to sleep on it now, and i hope he is gone before the january transfer window.

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« Reply #1990 on: September 23, 2010, 10:10:42 am »
I stopped reading after this incredulous statement;


I'm not sure when will people realise that Roy was hired to improve on last year's failings and so far he is not achieving that objective pretty spectacularly.

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Re: Liverpool Vs Northampton In Game Shit and Post Match Guesswork
« Reply #1991 on: September 23, 2010, 10:10:55 am »
Haha didn't take you long to turn did it :lmao
i haven't turned he is getting a fair crack from me just that he deserves a bit of stick for that defeat like any manager would i am all for giving him a chance and yes he will get it and not once have i called him like some have so your wrong , if we win Saturday it will be better after a bad night , but lets get it right yes Northampton possibly was the lowest but Mr Benitez done this every season not taking the cups serious and like most i thought hodgson would take them more seriously , but he took a massive gamble with the squad players and it failed , with the usual suspects letting the team down  international players who should have been good enough to knock out Northampton town , But like all teams the buck stops with the man in charge  but he still has time to do things right hopefully he will , lest we forget the domestic season under benitez in his first knocked out of the F.A. cup by burnley and lost 15 league games  so his domestic form was poor in his first season , So loads more time from me for Hodgson but the Northampton game was a black mark on him or any manager that would have been in charge  .
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Re: Liverpool Vs Northampton In Game Shit and Post Match Guesswork
« Reply #1992 on: September 23, 2010, 10:11:00 am »
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Re: Liverpool Vs Northampton In Game Shit and Post Match Guesswork
« Reply #1993 on: September 23, 2010, 10:11:22 am »
Someone fronts up at last....


Jovanovic apologises for 'catastrophe'

http://www.lfconline.com/news/tmnw/j...56/index.shtml

By Adam Bryant Thursday, 23rd September 2010


Milan Jovanovic has apologised to Liverpool fans for the team's performance in the humiliating home defeat at the hands of lowly League Two side Northampton Town.

The Serbian international scored his first goal for the club in the Carling Cup game at Anfield last night, but the Reds went on to lose on penalties after the match ended 2-2.
"Catastrophe," said Jovanovic. "I am so disappointed. What can I say?

"It was a very difficult night for me, for all the players and the team. Of course we feel sorry for the fans.

"We know this is not Liverpool. It is very bad. I am so surprised by the performance.

"I have not got enough experience of English football but I didn't expect this."

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Re: Liverpool Vs Northampton In Game Shit and Post Match Guesswork
« Reply #1994 on: September 23, 2010, 10:12:09 am »
Brownie are you saying that the on the pitch failure this season has nothing to do with Roy? The failure to beat a struggling side at home is nothing I've seen since the days of Souness and Bristol games.

Oh and you know you only have to look at the other threads of campaigns to know that alot do as much as they can to help with the off the field stuff but don't give the rubbish that you can't sit down and look how shite things are on the pitch. Roy's management could set us further back unless things change.
like i said its a transistion period so give it time, we sold one of our best midfielders for a midfielder who not even played in the league, then we have a torres who isnt playing top form! The reason am pissed of is because some of our so called fan base are calling for his head after what 8games is it? thats a joke plain and simple!!! I know a lot of people do the campaigns but some of the people in this thread dont and proberly dont even bother looking at doing them.

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Re: Liverpool Vs Northampton In Game Shit and Post Match Guesswork
« Reply #1995 on: September 23, 2010, 10:12:40 am »
Oh It seems like they are taking the Rafa fault line.

You see thats whats really getting on my tits now. Every time I tune the radio in to 5 Live/Talk Sport, whoever, all I hear is these so called respectable and un-biased pundits trotting out how we're now seeing "the legacy of Rafa's five years at the club".

Bullshit.

What were seeing is the legacy of Hicks and Gilletts devastating 'reign' at the club. To blame Rafa, of even Hodgson for that matter, is short sighted in the absolute extreme and hugely undermining and disrespectful to the job that Rafa especially, did during his time at the club.

They're all fighting each other now to point out the conditions that Roy has found at the club and is subsequently having to work under, and in turn how this needs to be taken into account when assessing his start as manager, and yet, last season and for the last three in fact, these conditions were ignored by the media as they attacked Rafa at every juncture.

No agenda? Thats a good one.

Steve Claridge even described Rafa's reign at the club as "pathetic" at one point. Honestly, I nearly ripped the radio out and threw it out the window. Clueless, tactless, agenda driven idiots.

Hicks and Gillett are the root cause of this mess. That is the bottom line here. No matter who we got in as manager, they would undoubtedly have struggled to match the expectations of the majority of our support. Whether they would have struggled quite so badly and come out with some of the quite worrying and frustrating comments that Roy has however, is another matter.

The one thing that can and should be placed firmly at Roys door is the tactics that he has introduced. Effectively giving up posession of the ball to the opposition. Standing off the opposition. Conceding territory and impetus. A lack of ambition. This could almost be accepted away at Manchester United or Chelsea (although personally I wouldnt accept it) but at home to West Bromwich Albion? Northampton Town? No matter the state of the club off the field we are still Liverpool. We still posess the players and the quality - if played to their strengths and to their potential - to dominate these kinds of games and quite frankly, we should be. At the moment I agree with those who say we are setting up like Fulham and its not acceptable.

Add to this an increasing number of comments that do not befit a manager of Liverpool Football Club and what you have is a startlingly uninspired start at the club and a whole host of questions hovering over Roy Hodgson.

To place the responsibility for this at Rafa's feet is ridiculously simplistic to be kind and clueless to be frank.
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Re: Liverpool Vs Northampton In Game Shit and Post Match Guesswork
« Reply #1996 on: September 23, 2010, 10:13:05 am »
like i said its a transistion period so give it time, we sold one of our best midfielders for a midfielder who not even played in the league, then we have a torres who isnt playing top form! The reason am pissed of is because some of our so called fan base are calling for his head after what 8games is it? thats a joke plain and simple!!! I know a lot of people do the campaigns but some of the people in this thread dont and proberly dont even bother looking at doing them.


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« Reply #1997 on: September 23, 2010, 10:13:33 am »
I know a lot of people do the campaigns but some of the people in this thread dont and proberly dont even bother looking at doing them.

That's their prerogative, let their conscience deal with it if they don't.

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« Reply #1998 on: September 23, 2010, 10:14:00 am »
Great post DonkeyWan.
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Re: Liverpool Vs Northampton In Game Shit and Post Match Guesswork
« Reply #1999 on: September 23, 2010, 10:14:26 am »
Roy should get them on the training pitch today and no more of bouncy bouncy on these balls
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