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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1640 on: January 9, 2011, 07:52:37 PM »
As I said mate, you don't know if he is taking a bribe.

I seriously doubt it, but that doesn't mean it is impossible.

You're right. Lets just assume he is because he got one decision wrong and one right. Yep, that makes perfect sense. I presume that approached can be applied to any ref that gives a decision against us then? That'll be handy.

PS - there is such a thing as 'innocent till proven guilty', or do we not bother with that.

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1641 on: January 9, 2011, 07:53:22 PM »
You're right. Lets just assume he is because he got one decision wrong and one right. Yep, that makes perfect sense. I presume that approached can be applied to any ref that gives a decision against us then? That'll be handy.

PS - there is such a thing as 'innocent till proven guilty', or do we not bother with that.

One decision. Did you start watching football today??

Can you also show me where I have said he is guilty please. You've got all night if you want.
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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1642 on: January 9, 2011, 07:54:16 PM »
You're right. Lets just assume he is because he got one decision wrong and one right. Yep, that makes perfect sense. I presume that approached can be applied to any ref that gives a decision against us then? That'll be handy.

PS - there is such a thing as 'innocent till proven guilty', or do we not bother with that.

I'm basing my opinion on Webb's performances over the last 5 or so years, not just today. Feel free to disagree, I may be wrong, but I find it incredibly hard to believe that one man can consistently be given the same fixture every season, balls it up almost every time, and still be retained.

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1643 on: January 9, 2011, 07:55:33 PM »
Loved seeing the little rat getting a kick.
It's not even a guilty pleasure. Just a pleasure. One of Ryan's better moments today.
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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1644 on: January 9, 2011, 08:01:12 PM »
It's not even a guilty pleasure. Just a pleasure. One of Ryan's better moments today.

Forgot all about that.
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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1645 on: January 9, 2011, 08:06:45 PM »
One decision. Did you start watching football today??

Can you also show me where I have said he is guilty please. You've got all night if you want.

And I didn't say you said he was guilty did I, show me where I said that. In fact it wasn't even you I referred to with that remark, it was smicer07 but you seem intent on maintaining the illusion of possible bribes and I'm saying that's a pretty piss weak position to take. Of course we can never be 100% sure he's not taking bribes, but that doesn't make it ok to go on about it or use it as an excuse as to why we lost.
And quite clearly I was talking about todays game anyway, the one mistake being the peno which I made clear earlier but fair enough, run away with it if you like. Numerous decisions make him a bad ref not necessarily a corrupt one.

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1646 on: January 9, 2011, 08:06:46 PM »
Get in Ryan! A better display, followed by a blinder of a tweet. Think Kenny will get a lot more out of him for the rest of the season; more pace and power would be a welcome addition. Nice one for today though (despite the loss to Webb)..
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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1647 on: January 9, 2011, 08:09:50 PM »
I'm basing my opinion on Webb's performances over the last 5 or so years, not just today. Feel free to disagree, I may be wrong, but I find it incredibly hard to believe that one man can consistently be given the same fixture every season, balls it up almost every time, and still be retained.

Except he doesn't just balls up in that fixture does he? He fucks up regularly, so are you now suggesting he whored himself the Dutch as well before the World cup final? Come on man, he's shite fair enough and who knows maybe 10 years down the line some shite red top will run a sting and catch him out taking bribes. In the meantime it looks piss weak, especially when the red card was a definite stone wall red, that's not Webb's fault, it's Stevie's.

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1648 on: January 9, 2011, 08:10:41 PM »
If Howard Webb was a cake he'd eat himself. He'll be bloody delighted with the controversy over his decision being increased by the fuss around Babel. I doubt that he actually corrupt, but I'm sure he's 'influenced'; the man is an egotistical narcissistic wanker, and loves this kind of attention, or maybe the attention and hospitality of some high level managers and players. In any case, he's a fucking shite referee.

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1649 on: January 9, 2011, 08:11:15 PM »
Ryan does show some passion

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1650 on: January 9, 2011, 08:11:40 PM »
If Howard Webb was a cake he'd eat himself. He'll be bloody delighted with the controversy over his decision being increased by the fuss around Babel. I doubt that he actually corrupt, but I'm sure he's 'influenced'; the man is an egotistical narcissistic wanker, and loves this kind of attention, or maybe the attention and hospitality of some high level managers and players. In any case, he's a fucking shite referee.

He's fucking muck but that's a different matter.

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1651 on: January 9, 2011, 08:12:27 PM »
Was a bit silly to post that pic I guess but fuck it - well in Ryan.
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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1652 on: January 9, 2011, 08:13:16 PM »
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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1653 on: January 9, 2011, 08:13:24 PM »
Was a bit silly to post that pic I guess but fuck it - well in Ryan.

He can't be done for having a personal opinion though can he?

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1654 on: January 9, 2011, 08:13:39 PM »
Well in Ryan, had an immediate impact today when he came on, too bad we were reduced to 10 men.
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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1655 on: January 9, 2011, 08:14:59 PM »
On the football side he looked quite sharp today and we soon got on the front foot when he came on, from a twitter point of view he's a fuckin idiot.
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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1656 on: January 9, 2011, 08:15:10 PM »
Quick question- Is that picture of Webb in a Man Utd shirt taken from the Art Vandelay thread or was it from somewhere else?
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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1657 on: January 9, 2011, 08:20:47 PM »
I'd be absolutely astonished if Webb is or ever has taken a real actual bribe. But I do think Sky tends to hype decisions in Utd games more than they do for other clubs, I think they give Fungus' moans plenty of sympathetic air time, I do think that a ref's life is made much easier if he makes sure he's a lot MORE 'sure' when giving opposition fouls, cards etc than he needs to be when giving them to Utd. Indeed several ex refs have come out and said exactly that, that if you get a decision wrong against Utd there are consequences, so you make yourself a lot more 'sure' next time. The same will likely apply in terms of the FA picking refs for Utd fixtures.

Wasn't it Kafka who said something along the lines of 'the most dangerous censor is the one in our own head'? It's a similar mechanic to what happens in football, and it happens in the rest of the media too. It would be staggeringly naive to think that football isn't subject to the same kinds of pressures as other areas of the media, the same kind of commercial imperatives, and those biases favour Utd in football for similar reasons that they favour US/UK interests in the media...largely because it's safe and it pays.

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1658 on: January 9, 2011, 08:21:00 PM »
just come out an say sorry Babel,for fucks sake Walcott dives in a game to try an win a pen,says sorry an its ok ,babel puts a joke picture up on twitter the FA are looking into it,fuck off you two faced twats.

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1659 on: January 9, 2011, 08:21:21 PM »
Quick question- Is that picture of Webb in a Man Utd shirt taken from the Art Vandelay thread or was it from somewhere else?

I posted it in the Art thread earlier today. I just googled 'Howard Webb' and looked at the image results and it was on the first page.
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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1660 on: January 9, 2011, 08:29:52 PM »
The FA can't wait to get their cocks out over this. Shame they don't show as much conviction regarding more important issues.

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1661 on: January 9, 2011, 08:39:13 PM »
He can't be done for having a personal opinion though can he?

Don't know what the FA will do but the first I heard of it was on the radio - it just means unneccesary attention on him.

Purely as a Liverpool fan though, I'm glad he did it.
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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1662 on: January 9, 2011, 08:42:01 PM »
He can't be done for having a personal opinion though can he?

I would hope not; Howard Webb gave his personal opinion in the first minute and he made an error of judgement too. If Ryan cops a fine, so should Webb. ;)

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1663 on: January 9, 2011, 08:50:17 PM »
He did fairly well today but the point is that the postion on the left flank is up for grabs, and he should be given a run out. Based on past season performances, he hasn't taken his chances well to show us consistently what he is capable of. Hopefully with King Kenny in charge he will be a rejuvenated player.

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1664 on: January 9, 2011, 08:51:27 PM »
He did fairly well today but the point is that the postion on the left flank is up for grabs, and he should be given a run out. Based on past season performances, he hasn't taken his chances well to show us consistently what he is capable of. Hopefully with King Kenny in charge he will be a rejuvenated player.

Ah yeh sure give him another chance, it's only been what 3 and half years. Maybe by 2016 he'll be the player we all hoped he would be.

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1665 on: January 9, 2011, 08:51:50 PM »
I'm basing my opinion on Webb's performances over the last 5 or so years, not just today. Feel free to disagree, I may be wrong, but I find it incredibly hard to believe that one man can consistently be given the same fixture every season, balls it up almost every time, and still be retained.

Sums it up.

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1666 on: January 9, 2011, 08:53:01 PM »
And I didn't say you said he was guilty did I, show me where I said that. In fact it wasn't even you I referred to with that remark, it was smicer07

It was in response to me, with my post quoted and the insinuation was pretty clear (in my opinion).

Fair enough though if you didn't mean me.
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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1667 on: January 9, 2011, 08:53:47 PM »
Ah yeh sure give him another chance, it's only been what 3 and half years. Maybe by 2016 he'll be the player we all hoped he would be.

I think he's got the potential to be world class. One of the best in the game. Maybe even one day as good as Quaresma.

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1668 on: January 9, 2011, 08:54:17 PM »
I think playing on the left highlights Babel's weaknesses (inconsistent touch, poor decision making, running into blind alleys) and negates his major strength - pace. Being very one footed means he's always using his right foot, cutting inside to be crowded out by FB, CB and a CM. It's the one position he has been given plenty of chances in; and it doesn't work.

Give him a few games on the right and let him use his pace on the outside.
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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1669 on: January 9, 2011, 08:54:57 PM »
The FA can't wait to get their cocks out over this. Shame they don't show as much conviction regarding more important issues.

This.
Going to waste time and money by giving a lad a slap on the wrist for a joke picture of a referee in a Man United top.
Come on, it's not as if he posted a picture of Webb surrounded by United players and getting jizzed on by all of them and then rubbing it into his bald head, is it?
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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1670 on: January 9, 2011, 08:55:05 PM »
Thank you Ryan!

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1671 on: January 9, 2011, 08:56:27 PM »
Sums it up.

2 huge decisions got 1 right 1 wrong. Shit angle for the pen and proved it by giving a terrible decsion. Players reaction should have made himn ak the lino.
Not unlike the pen he gave them v Spurs 2 years ago when they were 2-0 down and the keeper knocked the ball away clear as a bell.

Massive impact on the title race in 08/09 or the blatant red card/pen in the same season when Rafael dragged Pedersen down at the same ground.

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1672 on: January 9, 2011, 08:57:11 PM »
spot on Ryan! bout time someone highlighted the fact webb is a cheating manc loving twat!

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1673 on: January 9, 2011, 08:58:59 PM »
Ah yeh sure give him another chance, it's only been what 3 and half years. Maybe by 2016 he'll be the player we all hoped he would be.

He's hardly been a starter. Off the bench he has done well. My point is that nobody ahead of him is playing well enough to keep him out of the side.

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1674 on: January 9, 2011, 09:01:04 PM »
This.
Going to waste time and money by giving a lad a slap on the wrist for a joke picture of a referee in a Man United top.
Come on, it's not as if he posted a picture of Webb surrounded by United players and getting jizzed on by all of them and then rubbing it into his bald head, is it?

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1675 on: January 9, 2011, 09:06:40 PM »
This.
Going to waste time and money by giving a lad a slap on the wrist for a joke picture of a referee in a Man United top.
Come on, it's not as if he posted a picture of Webb surrounded by United players and getting jizzed on by all of them and then rubbing it into his bald head, is it?

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1676 on: January 9, 2011, 09:09:17 PM »
Give him a few games on the right and let him use his pace on the outside.

So he can whip those crosses in to a box with none of our players in it?
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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1677 on: January 9, 2011, 09:15:31 PM »
He's got the heart and the ability but he is too inconsistent.

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1678 on: January 9, 2011, 09:19:28 PM »
It was in response to me, with my post quoted and the insinuation was pretty clear (in my opinion).

Fair enough though if you didn't mean me.

Your post was quoted but you'll find I referred specifically to Smicer07 (even typed his name) in regards to the bribe remark.

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #1679 on: January 9, 2011, 09:20:11 PM »
He's got the heart and the ability but he is too inconsistent.

Again how anyone can assume he's got either of those attributes based on the last 3 and half years is beyond me.