Author Topic: Aquilani a Juventus player on a free one year loan - official (Read 144348 times)

RedFaced · « **Reply #1240 on:** October 18, 2010, 11:47:32 PM »

Quote from: smicer07 on October 18, 2010, 11:45:52 PM

Pure fucking stupidity to let this lad go out on loan.

Well said.
Ignore what I said above, this is far more to the point and very true.

CHOPPER · « **Reply #1241 on:** October 18, 2010, 11:48:10 PM »

Quote from: smicer07 on October 18, 2010, 11:45:52 PM

Pure fucking stupidity to let this lad go out on loan.

Not as mind numbingly fucked up as it was to sign him in the first place.

Red Pat · « **Reply #1242 on:** October 18, 2010, 11:52:30 PM »

The choice was Aqua, Sneijder, or Van dar Vaart, possibly other unfamiliar options - personally I think Rafa backed the wrong horse, regardless of what Sneijder has since done and VDV EPL impact

new-red · « **Reply #1243 on:** October 18, 2010, 11:52:37 PM »

Quote from: CHOPPER on October 18, 2010, 11:48:10 PM

Not as mind numbingly fucked up as it was to sign him in the first place.

what nonsense. Even though I agree that his recovery period was quite detrimental to our hopes last campaign, when he regained full fitness he was a key part of our side and really transformed our attacking football. Had he actually been given a chance this season we would be in a much better position than we are now. His creativity and off the ball movement is world class and he is showing his quality at juventus. A really very stupid piece of business by hodgson.

RedAtHeart · « **Reply #1244 on:** October 18, 2010, 11:55:05 PM »

Aquilani has been swindeled away from us in a loan deal that only can be described as an epic swindle. Him and his agent has together with Juventus, who don't even like Liverpool FC, been conspiring against us for month.

The Jackal · « **Reply #1245 on:** October 18, 2010, 11:58:09 PM »

Quote from: RedAtHeart on October 18, 2010, 11:55:05 PM

Aquilani has been swindeled away from us in a loan deal that only can be described as an epic swindle. Him and his agent has together with Juventus, who don't even like Liverpool FC, been conspiring against us for month.

lets sue them for $100 billion

Samee · « **Reply #1246 on:** October 18, 2010, 11:58:28 PM »

Quote from: CHOPPER on October 18, 2010, 11:48:10 PM

Not as mind numbingly fucked up as it was to sign him in the first place.

Can't agree here Chopper mate. It was pretty stupid to sign him in retrospect but at the time it didn't seem all that bad. Loaning him out once he was fit again and looking dangerous on the other hand..

RedAtHeart · « **Reply #1247 on:** October 19, 2010, 12:01:39 AM »

Quote from: The Jackal on October 18, 2010, 11:58:09 PM

lets sue them for $100 billion

Make that 200 and I'm sure they will settle for 150.

CHOPPER · « **Reply #1248 on:** October 19, 2010, 12:02:26 AM »

Quote from: new-red on October 18, 2010, 11:52:37 PM

what nonsense. Even though I agree that his recovery period was quite detrimental to our hopes last campaign, when he regained full fitness he was a key part of our side and really transformed our attacking football. Had he actually been given a chance this season we would be in a much better position than we are now. His creativity and off the ball movement is world class and he is showing his quality at juventus. A really very stupid piece of business by hodgson.

Recovery period implies he got over something, he's been on one long recovery period and when he was fit, for all the nice flicks and touches he never looked like he was going to a) grab the game by the scruff of the neck and b) actually stay on the field long enough to take said game by the scruff of the neck and add to that that even when he was 'fit' he'd still have is arse parked on the bench. Wolves away a prime example of that.

The only nonsense here my friend is that we bought him in the first place.

Alonso_The_Assassin · « **Reply #1249 on:** October 19, 2010, 12:08:39 AM »

An epic swindle.

jDJ · « **Reply #1250 on:** October 19, 2010, 12:10:17 AM »

Still got some hope a new manager will bring him back. Depends who the manager is though I guess - can't see O'Neill being a fan.

RedAtHeart · « **Reply #1251 on:** October 19, 2010, 12:13:04 AM »

Quote from: jDJ on October 19, 2010, 12:10:17 AM

Still got some hope a new manager will bring him back. Depends who the manager is though I guess - can't see O'Neill ~~being~~ having any fans.

Fixed that for you

kasperoff · « **Reply #1252 on:** October 19, 2010, 12:23:33 AM »

Lets face it, had he stayed he'd have splinters in his arse and would likely have done fuck all, due to the fact we are playing like shit at the moment.

Roy did say he's get playing time that he wouldn't be offered in Liverpool, and that he could flourish if given gametime in Turin. It seems Roys prophesy has some to pass. Its about the only thing he has got right so far. Pity we don't see any benefit.

However, if it goes tits up for Roy, then whats the chances of getting him recalled in Jan?

harleydanger · « **Reply #1253 on:** October 19, 2010, 12:48:11 AM »

Quote from: Superthing on October 18, 2010, 02:05:49 PM

This is just the standard rumour that has been trotted out to defend this decision, I am not saying its true because I don't know, the point is that neither do you or most people on here, he didn't come from Italy with a bad rep, we never heard about him having a bad rep last season, it's only cropped up since it became clear we were gonna ship him out. Yes the lads ahd injury problems, and they may well have affected him psychologically in the way it has affected Nando and other players, but he seemed to be getting over that towards the end of last season and was showing glimpses of being a very good player for us, despite the media myth of him being a flop, just like he is turning out to be a very good player for Juve who must be laughing their arses off at the deal they have got out of us.

Of course i'm just reading between the lines, but Rafa did have a pop at him saying alot of his injury troubles were in his head, and then Roy said something along the lines that he was a shite trainer. Of course this could all be wrong, it might be his body just didn't cope with the weather, it could be he wasn't liked by Carra & co and therefor shipped out or we actually couldn't afford to play him. There are 101 conspiracy theories.

The point being that there are conspiracy theories, why? because it was plainly obvious to everyone that watched him he was class when he was on the pitch, so why would he be shipped out from a squad that definably lacks the skills he brought to the table.

Personally i think the "he was a shite trainer" looks the most obvious after drawing conclusions from Rafa and Roy quotes. But that is just an opinion.

NZ Red · « **Reply #1254 on:** October 19, 2010, 12:55:05 AM »

Quote from: Alonso_The_Assassin on October 19, 2010, 12:08:39 AM

An epic swindle.

To say the least $:-\$

DM Red · « **Reply #1255 on:** October 19, 2010, 01:18:41 AM »

makes me sick

was really looking forward to him playing this season for us. showed good promise towards the end of last season. then they give him to Juventus. a fucking joke really.

YayaP · « **Reply #1256 on:** October 19, 2010, 01:41:22 AM »

Quote from: CHOPPER on October 19, 2010, 12:02:26 AM

Recovery period implies he got over something, he's been on one long recovery period and when he was fit, for all the nice flicks and touches he never looked like he was going to a) grab the game by the scruff of the neck and b) actually stay on the field long enough to take said game by the scruff of the neck and add to that that even when he was 'fit' he'd still have is arse parked on the bench. Wolves away a prime example of that.

The only nonsense here my friend is that we bought him in the first place.

Thought he grabbed the Portsmouth game by the scruff of the neck, thought he was incredibly influential against Atletico as well, probably our best players.....he was second in our squad in terms of assists, wouldn't you consider that taking control of a game? and and didn't he play in most of our games down the stretch last year? You just never know how this year was going to go with an entire preseason under his belt.

jackh · « **Reply #1257 on:** October 19, 2010, 01:46:00 AM »

Quote from: CHOPPER on October 18, 2010, 11:48:10 PM

Not as mind numbingly fucked up as it was to sign him in the first place.

Given the finances available, it probably looked like a gamble worth taking - we only made an initial payment of 5m euros and I fancy that he'd have continued to impress had he been here this season.

rastaferio · « **Reply #1258 on:** October 19, 2010, 02:14:43 AM »

theres little chance of him returning if he continues the way he has at Juventus. Del Neri is starting to show a lot of confidence in Alberto, and hes on course to be one of the mainstays in the starting 11. unless theres some major turnaround and he gets hurt/loses his edge, juve will most definitely be exercising their right to redemption at season's end.

XabiArt · « **Reply #1259 on:** October 19, 2010, 02:17:01 AM »

Quote from: DM Red on October 19, 2010, 01:18:41 AM

makes me sick

was really looking forward to him playing this season for us. showed good promise towards the end of last season. then they give him to Juventus. a fucking joke really.

Yeah but we did get Poulson in return.

So have we seen the last of Aquilani in Liverpool red do we think? Or does it depend on who the next manager is?

J-Mc- · « **Reply #1260 on:** October 19, 2010, 02:20:11 AM »

Quote from: rastaferio on October 19, 2010, 02:14:43 AM

theres little chance of him returning if he continues the way he has at Juventus. Del Neri is starting to show a lot of confidence in Alberto, and hes on course to be one of the mainstays in the starting 11. unless theres some major turnaround and he gets hurt/loses his edge, juve will most definitely be exercising their right to redemption at season's end.

Isn't there a way we could turn around and say that we don't want to sell if a new manager is brought in?

Surely we wouldn't just loan a player out knowing that he's definately gone the season after?

thedunnyman · « **Reply #1261 on:** October 19, 2010, 02:24:37 AM »

I don't really know the Juventus team...but what are the chances that they have enough players (including new players coming in), so that they might make a pass on Aquiliani in which case he comes back to us

And I too also wonder about J-Mc-'s query about taking him back if we have a new manager? Can anyone confirm anything like this?

I just would like to know if there are any 'loopholes' available for me to dream about?!

Asheroo · « **Reply #1262 on:** October 19, 2010, 02:40:56 AM »

I read an article in which Juve said that if he keeps playing this well then they won't get any discounts, this sounds to me that a fee hasn't been agreed even though they have the option of signing him permanently. I think we should then offer £18m. If they buy then goodbye and good luck aqua having not lost money. If Juve baulk at the price then hello rejuvenated (no pun intended) centre midfield who is better than both Poulsen and Lucas.

CHOPPER · « **Reply #1263 on:** October 19, 2010, 02:44:23 AM »

Quote from: chaislip on October 19, 2010, 01:41:22 AM

Thought he grabbed the Portsmouth game by the scruff of the neck, thought he was incredibly influential against Atletico as well, probably our best players.....he was second in our squad in terms of assists, wouldn't you consider that taking control of a game? and and didn't he play in most of our games down the stretch last year? You just never know how this year was going to go with an entire preseason under his belt.

I'm not saying he hasn't had good games, my point is, is that he's nowhere near as good as people make out, or more to the point, he's nowhere near as good physically as well as ability wise in the premier league.

Statistics can be used both ways to be fair, eggnog is our top scorer this season(if I'm right in saying) and by that rational he should have started on Sunday. But he didn't, why not? Because you start with your best players, of which Aquilani isn't one, and if I was to use the well trodden 'RAWK hunch methodology' I'd say Rafa realised he'd bought a bit of a dud as well.

I'd honestly like to think he'd come back prove me and many others wrong and turn into the player we all want him to be, but I just can't see it.

L7S · « **Reply #1264 on:** October 19, 2010, 02:49:59 AM »

Quote from: XabiArt on October 19, 2010, 02:17:01 AM

Yeah but we did get Poulson in return.

So have we seen the last of Aquilani in Liverpool red do we think? Or does it depend on who the next manager is?

Depends if Juve wants exercise the clause. Its out of our hands now. Thanks Roy.

rastaferio · « **Reply #1265 on:** October 19, 2010, 03:07:59 AM »

could be wrong, but i think right of redemption was set at €15m (or £?). in which case, they will be securing his services for years to come.

XabiArt · « **Reply #1266 on:** October 19, 2010, 03:09:55 AM »

Quote from: F9T on October 19, 2010, 02:49:59 AM

Depends if Juve wants exercise the clause. Its out of our hands now. Thanks Roy.

So theyve basically got him then.

Cheers Roy!

YayaP · « **Reply #1267 on:** October 19, 2010, 03:29:38 AM »

Quote from: CHOPPER on October 19, 2010, 02:44:23 AM

I'm not saying he hasn't had good games, my point is, is that he's nowhere near as good as people make out, or more to the point, he's nowhere near as good physically as well as ability wise in the premier league.

Statistics can be used both ways to be fair, eggnog is our top scorer this season(if I'm right in saying) and by that rational he should have started on Sunday. But he didn't, why not? Because you start with your best players, of which Aquilani isn't one, and if I was to use the well trodden 'RAWK hunch methodology' I'd say Rafa realised he'd bought a bit of a dud as well.

I'd honestly like to think he'd come back prove me and many others wrong and turn into the player we all want him to be, but I just can't see it.

I just question what he could have done differently to prove you wrong (aside from being injured less, which down the stretch if I remember correctly he played week in and week out). I just don't know if we can truly assess how good he could have been for us because we didn't give him enough time. The lad looked quality late in the season against good opposition. I remember him getting ten-fifteen minutes top against Manchester United and still managed to open up the game. Some of the balls he played down the pitch were incredible, the one to Maxi against Burnley and the one to Torres against Portsmouth were sublime to be quite frank.

I am not saying he's a super star. I'm just saying I certainly believe he is a better option than Joe Cole at the moment, and our team certainly played better with him on the pitch. In terms of the statistics argument, I think that the fact that half of Ngog's goals are against sides I have never heard of tells the story in itself. Aquilani's goals/assist total comes from the likes of Spurs, Atletico, Bolton, etc....teams that are well established in England and Europe. I just watch our squad right now and wonder if he is a missing ingredient, not THE missing ingredient mind you because there are several, but just a player who would be a step in the right direction.

Not to mention, correct me if I'm wrong, were we not something like undefeated but for the Chelsea game with him in the starting XI. Like I said, I'm not saying he's a world beater, just that we'll never know if he could have been a great player.

RedRedTom · « **Reply #1268 on:** October 19, 2010, 03:37:55 AM »

I'M YOUR BIGGEST FAN I'LL FOLLOW YOU UNTIL YOU LOVE ME, AQUA, AQUILANI.

Xabier Alonso Olano · « **Reply #1269 on:** October 19, 2010, 03:48:27 AM »

Would we be second bottom if aquilani was playing week in week out for us.

Doubt it.

Silly to let him go with a midfield that is struggling so badly. The extra option of playing him was worth keeping him alone. Even Roy might have given him a game by now.

Stateside Red · « **Reply #1270 on:** October 19, 2010, 03:53:24 AM »

Quote from: harleydanger on October 19, 2010, 12:48:11 AM

Of course i'm just reading between the lines, but Rafa did have a pop at him saying alot of his injury troubles were in his head, and then Roy said something along the lines that he was a shite trainer. Of course this could all be wrong, it might be his body just didn't cope with the weather, it could be he wasn't liked by Carra & co and therefor shipped out or we actually couldn't afford to play him. There are 101 conspiracy theories.

The point being that there are conspiracy theories, why? because it was plainly obvious to everyone that watched him he was class when he was on the pitch, so why would he be shipped out from a squad that definably lacks the skills he brought to the table.

Personally i think the "he was a shite trainer" looks the most obvious after drawing conclusions from Rafa and Roy quotes. But that is just an opinion.

Shite trainer? Who cares? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI) No question he had his injury issues and maybe wasn't suited for the English game but I was looking forward to seeing him with a fresh start this year ... really liked the nice one-twos with Stevie who said himself "the lad can see a pass". Even thought a few times he made Stevie looked bad/slow with a nice pass to an open area Stevie should have been to. Between getting rid of him and basically shutting out Agger I have no idea what Roy is and isn't seeing in people.

Ultimate Bromance · « **Reply #1271 on:** October 19, 2010, 05:04:01 AM »

Quote from: RedRedTom on October 19, 2010, 03:37:55 AM

I'M YOUR BIGGEST FAN I'LL FOLLOW YOU UNTIL YOU LOVE ME, AQUA, AQUILANI.

Roopy · « **Reply #1272 on:** October 19, 2010, 05:17:45 AM »

He's a quality player, and perhaps his best environment is the Serie A - where its not as physical as in the UK.

I think the fact that Juve are already looking to tie up a 10M deal for him, and with no objection from the ultras, and given his status as a idol amongst the Roma fans - this speaks volumes about him and the qualities he brings to the side.

Marko B · « **Reply #1273 on:** October 19, 2010, 05:46:36 AM »

Quote from: CHOPPER on October 19, 2010, 12:02:26 AM

The only nonsense here my friend is that we bought him in the first place.

Bullshit.

One season where he was treated with kid gloves doesn't alter his class.

As for his flicks et al lacking impact, the fact that he was our second highest assist provider in a fraction of the games shows the importance of his contribution (although that's not denying it's an indictment on how poor some of our other players were last season too). A review of the games he played and his own personal contribution to them without referring to statistics goes a long way to showing his class, an impressive effort considering how long he had been out of the game.

He was to be the link between the holding midfield and attacking midfield, as he did in his few appearances for us last season, and as he is doing damn effectively for Juve right now.

We got a bargain, who gives a fuck that he was absent for one season when we were supposed to have another four seasons worth of contributions from him. Instead we shift him off in an act of absolute and sheer lunacy.

I'm as confident as I've ever been about his class, I can't prove it, but I'm willing to claim it and confident he will show it over the next few years.

Mad Men · « **Reply #1274 on:** October 19, 2010, 05:48:39 AM »

The kid had a bad injury and it took him longer to recover than what the medical staff predicted. Rafa got slaughtered for it admist a poor season. And people are still slatting him even now when at not fault of his, Roy Hodgson in all his infinite wisdom wanted to ship him off on loan...

Rednyte · « **Reply #1275 on:** October 19, 2010, 06:05:32 AM »

Quote from: new-red on October 18, 2010, 11:52:37 PM

what nonsense. Even though I agree that his recovery period was quite detrimental to our hopes last campaign, when he regained full fitness he was a key part of our side and really transformed our attacking football. Had he actually been given a chance this season we would be in a much better position than we are now. His creativity and off the ball movement is world class and he is showing his quality at juventus. A really very stupid piece of business by hodgson.

Its obvious he has talent. It was probably a questionable decision to buy him when we had just lost Alonso and we knew he would be injured for 2-3 months, with 30 million to spend we could have replaced Alonso immediately.
It was a shocking decision by Hodgson to get rid of him when we are lacking spark, creativity and passing ability.

Mad Men · « **Reply #1276 on:** October 19, 2010, 06:07:29 AM »

Quote from: Rednyte on October 19, 2010, 06:05:32 AM

Its obvious he has talent. It was probably a questionable decision to buy him when we had just lost Alonso and we knew he would be injured for 2-3 months, with 30 million to spend we could have replaced Alonso immediately.
It was a shocking decision by Hodgson to get rid of him when we are lacking spark, creativity and passing ability.

We had 20 million quid? My understanding is rafa was told he had 6-7 million to spend from the Alonso 30 million quid, hence why the payment is in installements spread over 2-4 years.

Who could rafa have signed from which club who would have agreed to such a payment format?

Rednyte · « **Reply #1277 on:** October 19, 2010, 06:11:17 AM »

Quote from: Mad Men on October 19, 2010, 06:07:29 AM

We had 20 million quid? My understanding is rafa was told he had 6-7 million to spend from the Alonso 30 million quid, hence why the payment is in installements spread over 2-4 years.

Who could rafa have signed from which club who would have agreed to such a payment format?

Could have baught Sneijder for 15 mill. Inter managed to somehow

Mad Men · « **Reply #1278 on:** October 19, 2010, 06:14:59 AM »

Quote from: Rednyte on October 19, 2010, 06:11:17 AM

Could have baught Sneijder for 15 mill. Inter managed to somehow

True. But what are his wages at Inter?

Same can be said of VDV..but at the end of the day, the club knew they wanted Cole and were going to get him FOC..so that's probably why they didn't go for VDV. I think.

Rednyte · « **Reply #1279 on:** October 19, 2010, 06:23:20 AM »

Most likely a lot more than we could afford, I wouldn't have a clue.
My point was more that it would have been good to sign someone who could have slotted in immediately rather than bring in an injured player. Either way I wish he was at Liverpool and not Juventus right now with the way we are playing. His last couple of performances have made me eat my previous words about him.