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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3280 on: July 16, 2011, 01:33:25 PM »
That is true, but his big thing is his crossing and his pass and move ethos. For me he'd be taking Maxi's place - not particularly fast, not particularly tricky, but a solid player. Only we'd also have the benefits of his crossing.

I know it's never going to happen - plainly, he isn't a left midfielder. I'm just trying to think of ways to maximise his best asset.

He's a younger Aurelio without the injuries, and with time to learn the game intelligence which Aurelio has. Aurelio is often praised as a classy player, while his physical averageness is never mentioned, yet Insua gets hammered for that all the time despite being taller, bigger and fitter. There was a dildo in the transfer thread who called Insua short, citing his 5'5" height, only to be corrected and have it pointed out to him that Insua is taller than Cole, Evra, Clichy, Baines, etc.
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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3281 on: July 16, 2011, 01:34:02 PM »
you can't edit something you posted incorrectly, and continue with the phrase "seriously guys" ;D


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3.2808399 x 1.79 = 5.87270342

Original post was 5' 10"+ something.
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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3282 on: July 16, 2011, 01:37:39 PM »
Atleast we agree he is not 5'5. ;)



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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3283 on: July 16, 2011, 01:38:56 PM »
Really bulked up and played some lovely attacking football.

Needs to work on his crossing though! ;)
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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3284 on: July 16, 2011, 01:41:42 PM »
Atleast we agree he is not 5'5. ;)

Yes that's what I meant with "seriously, guys"  ;D

Meanwhile, a few pages earlier in this very same thread:

Emiliano Insua - 5 ft 10 1/2 in
Ashley Cole - 5 ft 9 1⁄2 in
Gaël Clichy - 5 ft 9 1⁄2 in
Patrice Evra - 5 ft 8 in

Yeah, he's tiny.

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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3285 on: July 16, 2011, 01:43:04 PM »
I don't see any future for Insua at Liverpool. I have never been convinced by him whatsoever.
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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3286 on: July 16, 2011, 01:43:39 PM »
Yes that's what I meant with "seriously, guys"  ;D

Meanwhile, a few pages earlier in this very same thread:

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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3287 on: July 16, 2011, 01:44:29 PM »
Comolli seemed to hint at Downing being our last purchase. Maybe Insua will be an option on the left with Johnson and Robinson.
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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3288 on: July 16, 2011, 02:27:46 PM »
How did the kid play?

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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3289 on: July 16, 2011, 02:30:33 PM »
Comolli seemed to hint at Downing being our last purchase. Maybe Insua will be an option on the left with Johnson and Robinson.

Yeh and I'd be a bit worried about that. At the start of the window I think most of us would have made LB the priority position along with a wide player (Downing) and maybe a CB. So for us not to address that would be a worry for me. As well as Johnson did there I preferred him at RB and there's not harm in having him and Kelly fight it out for that spot.

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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3290 on: July 16, 2011, 02:31:52 PM »
I don't know why we wouldn't keep Insua.  We are weak at LB.  He's young and can still get a lot better. I hope we give him another contract

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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3291 on: July 16, 2011, 02:36:24 PM »
I don't see any future for Insua at Liverpool. I have never been convinced by him whatsoever.
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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3292 on: July 16, 2011, 02:36:44 PM »
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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3293 on: July 16, 2011, 02:39:47 PM »
He was solid. Anyone notice he has bulked up a wee bit more than he was a year ago?

He seems to also have improved on his pace and general defending.
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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3294 on: July 16, 2011, 02:41:31 PM »
Played very well offensively, looks to have bulked up a bit.  to be honest though what he could do going forward was never in doubt & he wasn't tested in the slightest at the back.  Defensively is where my doubts about him remain.   That & we'll be well stocked if/when a first choice left back comes in.

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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3295 on: July 16, 2011, 03:20:10 PM »
Two crosses that resulted in goals - one bounced off a couple defenders and the other was a straight assist.

Sooooo chuffed for the lad :wellin

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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3296 on: July 16, 2011, 03:23:01 PM »
How did the kid play?

Played well, got one (maybe two assists) and the likes of Maxi and Aquilani regularly found him ahead of the ball. Didn't have much to do defensively, most of Malaysia's attacks were on the counter but a few times he covered well.
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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3297 on: July 16, 2011, 03:24:27 PM »
as to be expected with insua, great at attacking as usual. he didn't have much to do defensively but he is as good as he always was.
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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3298 on: July 16, 2011, 03:29:35 PM »
he always was quite good going forward but i hope we dont have to start the season with him in defence.
i cant see him coping with the likes of valencia, lennon, bale, young, nzogbia etc.

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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3299 on: July 16, 2011, 03:32:36 PM »
I don't see any future for Insua at Liverpool. I have never been convinced by him whatsoever.

As cover maybe, but I'd be concerned going into the season with him anywhere near being first choice. He gets forward well enough but he switches off in defence and his positional awareness is average. Time to improve mind
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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3300 on: July 16, 2011, 03:35:02 PM »
As cover maybe, but I'd be concerned going into the season with him anywhere near being first choice. He gets forward well enough but he switches off in defence and his positional awareness is average. Time to improve mind
thing is though, he has a bit more experience, we are not the same team as we was when we has to rely on him and clark has a great record of improving the defence. i would give him a good chance to be honest.

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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3301 on: July 16, 2011, 03:35:16 PM »
As cover maybe, but I'd be concerned going into the season with him anywhere near being first choice. He gets forward well enough but he switches off in defence and his positional awareness is average. Time to improve mind

Aren't pretty much all young players guilty of lacking concentration and positional awareness, isn't it something that generally improves with age?
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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3302 on: July 16, 2011, 03:37:21 PM »
Two crosses that resulted in goals - one bounced off a couple defenders and the other was a straight assist.

Sooooo chuffed for the lad :wellin

Great to know, also I noticed him getting quite a few positive tweets and Facebook messages from Gala supporters, so maybe he wasn't that awful for them after all. ;)

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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3303 on: July 16, 2011, 03:38:57 PM »
He gets forward well enough but he switches off in defence and his positional awareness is average.

He's still only 22, and he was 20 when he was thrown in at the deep end for almost a whole season with an ever-constantly changing defence.  We see those occasional positional mistakes with Kelly and Flanagan, and had we'd been forced to use them for a whole season it's not unlikely they would make more.

He's not hopelessly indecisive like Traore or hapless like Degen, he's got more to offer than a lot of people give him credit for (and until Downing plays a game for us he's probably the 2nd best crosser of the ball we have behind Gerrard).

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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3304 on: July 16, 2011, 03:39:23 PM »
thing is though, he has a bit more experience, we are not the same team as we was when we has to rely on him and clark has a great record of improving the defence. i would give him a good chance to be honest.

I would mate, nothing to lose, though for me it has to be as understudy to a quality LB. He probably played too much last time. I think we've got plenty of options there but no real experienced specialist. Aurelio is a broken shell

Aren't pretty much all young players guilty of lacking concentration and positional awareness, isn't it something that generally improves with age?

Which is what I hinted at
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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3305 on: July 16, 2011, 03:41:44 PM »
Aren't pretty much all young players guilty of lacking concentration and positional awareness, isn't it something that generally improves with age?
Some of this is down to semantics. I think that postional awareness is a gift, and dificult to teach, and that concentration should not be influenced by age. BUT, a combination of experience (learning what to do automatically in a given position) combined with practise as part of a regular back four can only come with age.

Much of this will be down to whether Kenny is prepared to give him a run next season. Retaining him, and not playing him, is not going to help him, or us.
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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3306 on: July 16, 2011, 03:43:26 PM »
Aren't pretty much all young players guilty of lacking concentration and positional awareness, isn't it something that generally improves with age?

Yep. It's why there are hardly any young full backs are regulars in the league. To what extent they improve is important. While the same is true for Insua, he'is nowhere near as bad in relation to this as people make out.
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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3307 on: July 16, 2011, 03:45:45 PM »
This idea that he has terrible positional sense has been repeated so many times people think it's gospel. They also act like it can't be coached out of him. Eh?
He, as a 20/21 year old, got caught out of position a few times in a season where he played far too many games in a very unsettled defence and suddenly people label him as terrible. He was the ultimate scapegoat. Very promising player and I'm delighted to see him back.
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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3308 on: July 16, 2011, 03:46:53 PM »
Some of this is down to semantics. I think that postional awareness is a gift, and dificult to teach, and that concentration should not be influenced by age.
You're perfectly entitled to believe that, but I'm afraid it's execrable bollocks and entirely wrong.
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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3309 on: July 16, 2011, 03:47:56 PM »
Defending can be taught. Positional awareness, concerntration etc can all be coached and learnt through trail and error and experience.

Very rarely do you get a Maldini come through who reads and plays the game like he's been playing at the top level for 20 years, those players are fairly unique.

Insua was labelled 'bad defensively' by the age of 20. And it was a joke to be honest.

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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3310 on: July 16, 2011, 03:48:08 PM »
I would mate, nothing to lose, though for me it has to be as understudy to a quality LB. He probably played too much last time. I think we've got plenty of options there but no real experienced specialist. Aurelio is a broken shell

I would as well mate, i just hope it isnt too late to do this, considering robinson is now coming through. the ideal situation would have been fabio being the experience left back to rely on, and have insua be the under study with robinson gradually being moved into the slot.

now though? any left back we buy will most likely will be quality , with years to go on contract. so insua will have competition from fabio and a new leftback, probably giving insua a smaller amount of chances and experience to gain.

oh well, let's just see what happens. if we do have to stick with fabio, insua, robinson and johnson i would be happy, not excited for confident. but  hopfully kenny and clark change all that.
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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3311 on: July 16, 2011, 03:49:00 PM »
He was solid. Anyone notice he has bulked up a wee bit more than he was a year ago?

He seems to also have improved on his pace and general defending.

I remember people saying he was to bulked up and needed to shed a load of weight

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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3312 on: July 16, 2011, 03:49:58 PM »
Insua was labelled 'bad defensively' by the age of 20. And it was a joke to be honest.
It was worse than a joke, it was a disgrace. It became a fashionable thing to say, just as 'Ngog is shite' was the season after.
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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3313 on: July 16, 2011, 03:50:05 PM »
How did the kid play?

2 crosses 2 assists.

1 cross caused confusion between defenders and Ngoals slotted at far post
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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3314 on: July 16, 2011, 03:50:58 PM »
You're perfectly entitled to believe that, but I'm afraid it's execrable bollocks and entirely wrong.

It's not bollocks, because it's on the list that Benitez left behind for Purslow that only xerxes has seen. On that list of players to get rid of, whose word was sacred because they were left behind by the departing manager and thus not to be crossed, the name of Insua was there along with the explanation that he lacked the innate gift of positioning.
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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3315 on: July 16, 2011, 03:51:58 PM »
Insua was labelled 'bad defensively' by the age of 20. And it was a joke to be honest.

Not only that, but he 'lost' a year here too thanks to Purslow.
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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3316 on: July 16, 2011, 03:52:25 PM »
This idea that he has terrible positional sense has been repeated so many times people think it's gospel. They also act like it can't be coached out of him. Eh?
He, as a 20/21 year old, got caught out of position a few times in a season where he played far too many games in a very unsettled defence and suddenly people label him as terrible. He was the ultimate scapegoat. Very promising player and I'm delighted to see him back.

i dont think his positional sense is that bad, it`s his one on one defending that i dont like, he doesnt even run across the other fella`s path to check his run or anything.
he has bulked up a bit so maybe he might start barging wingers a bit to make it a bit more difficult for them to get past him.
still, i wouldnt be too confident if he was up against a bale, lennon, valencia or nani type.

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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3317 on: July 16, 2011, 03:53:26 PM »
2 crosses 2 assists.

1 cross caused confusion between defenders and Ngoals slotted at far post
1 cross was latched on to by a LFC player who scored may of been Ngoals.

There was another where Insua had to make room for himself before crossing deep to Ngog, who had a wayward crossgoal volley unmarked at the far post. Every time when Insua was crossing, the Malaysians looked uncomfortable.
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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3318 on: July 16, 2011, 03:54:04 PM »
insua was always built that a brick shithouse, although he seems to have actually be ripped this time, is that  good or bad i don't know. attacking wise he doesn't need to improve, he was always good at linking up, and putting in a cross , it's just he get's a bit distracted and caught off guard. he never deserved some of the "cuntish" comments on here though considering he was thrown into the deep, the whole team was playing like shit, and there was so much pressure on the lad.

hopfully he has matured and learned from mistakes though, and people go on about the likes of baines and that, but these players were not good at insua's age either. defenders are like a fine wine, more often than not, they get better with age.
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Re: Insua - Season-long loan at Galatasaray
« Reply #3319 on: July 16, 2011, 03:55:19 PM »
Insua with the number 3 shirt sounds good to me ;)