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Re: Rafa thread - in a job out of a job?... who knows?...
« Reply #10200 on: December 22, 2010, 12:33:37 PM »
Not revising history one bit and I resent the accusation.

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« Reply #10201 on: December 22, 2010, 12:34:45 PM »
Then you're on a thankless task. Most club fan forums cannot compare to RAWK in terms of traffic. I've had a look at a few, and the interfans.org one seemed the best of the lot, in terms of number of posters, quality, and how often it's updated. There are a few others: http://interistieretici.forumfree.it/ etc, but interfans.org is just about their best one I think.

Another one suggested was interisti, but that seems more like a blog.

This one you gave is deffo shyte. Last post was DAYS ago. At least the other had some traffic today.

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« Reply #10202 on: December 22, 2010, 12:35:10 PM »
Why is there basically a ban on comparing Rafa with Roy on the main page?

Because it is stupid to compare them ...
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« Reply #10203 on: December 22, 2010, 12:36:01 PM »
It's like comparing Fernando Torres with Sean Dundee isn't it?
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« Reply #10204 on: December 22, 2010, 12:36:06 PM »
Rafa Benitez may not have conquered, but he continues to divide

By Rory Smith

At some point in Liverpool’s dead, still night, just hours after the news that Rafael Benitez would today be dismissed as manager of Inter Milan had broken, the wrought-iron fence which stands outside the Kop was festooned with white pieces of cloth, each one bearing a slogan. “Rafa come home,” read one. “Rafa is Scouse,” another. True, all were written in markedly similar handwriting, but the message they conveyed is accurate: they have not forgotten the Spaniard at Anfield. His shadow still looms large.

Yet, on the social networking sites and the fans’ forums, quite another message was emerging. Plenty of Liverpool supporters took a far from quiet pleasure in the demise of a man they blame for their team’s continuing travails. As his successor, Roy Hodgson, has pointed out, Benitez left Anfield with a squad that was simultaneously overstaffed and under-strength. He had clogged Melwood with driftwood and deadwood. He had, in a year of poor decisions, somehow undone the generally good work of his previous lustrum on Merseyside. For those who loathe his legacy, his shadow also looms, long and dark.

That, though, is Benitez: few managers, few characters in football divide more than the Spaniard. He is, to some, the winner of the Champions League, the UEFA Cup, two Spanish titles, the FA Cup and, most recently, the Club World Cup, the first manager to win major trophies with sides from Europe’s three big leagues. He is a tactical innovator, adept at maximising minimal resources to maximum effect. He produces sides – Valencia and the Liverpool of 2009, most notably – who play powerful, quick, effective football. He is warm and personable, possessed of a common touch.

To others, he is cold and calculating, a Macchiavellian plotter of almost compulsive belligerence. He is never happier than when he is at war with someone, something. He alienates players, chooses baffling systems, tinkers persistently. He thinks he is cleverer than he is, he is evasive and arrogant. His sides are stultifying, his success down to the spending of vast amounts of money he had at Anfield or the incompetence of others, as at Valencia. 2010, his annus horribilis, in which he lost two jobs – one by text, one by email – was simply the year his luck ran out.

It is a debate which will, most likely, continue to rage wherever he pitches up next, be it in the Premier League – a choice far preferred by his family, settled as they are in their home on the Wirral – or in Spain, where the task of recreating the success he enjoyed at Mestalla in breaking Barcelona and Real Madrid’s duopoly would no doubt appeal. It would be futile to put one case above the other, so easily contradicted is every point.

There is one point that all should be able to agree on, though, including Benitez himself. The biggest mistake he made this year, these 12 months he will long to forget, was agreeing to succeed Jose Mourinho in June. As one of his staff at San Siro remarked, the Inter job was “un caramello avellenato.” A poisoned sweet. Tasty from the outside, rotten at the core.

Being appointed manager of the most successful club side in the world may appear a sinecure, a matter simply of keeping things ticking over, but Inter, as of the end of the Champions League final seven months ago, were a side built for the past. Most of their first XI, the Mourinho stalwarts, were past their prime, exhausted from producing one final push to further the mystique surrounding the Portuguese. Massimo Moratti, Inter’s owner, was tired of spending money after 15 years of profligate dreaming. The club was sated. There was no hunger left. Into the end of the banquet walked Benitez, entirely famished. It was never likely to work.

That, perhaps, is Benitez’s greatest failing. Timing. Unlike Mourinho, he does not know when to arrive and when to quit. He left Liverpool a year too late, a year after he might have walked into the Bernabeu widely respected around Europe. He came to Inter at the only time in their history when there was no work to be done, or work that anyone could achieve. It is a mistake he must not repeat, whenever he chooses to re-enter the market, if he wishes the arguments to subside, if he wants his legacy to be anything more than debate and doubt.

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« Reply #10205 on: December 22, 2010, 12:36:23 PM »
Are you saying I'm wrong or Simon is mate? Wasn't sure.

He is. Like the Alonso/Barry thing, a lot of people have it wrong but it's repeated frequently as fact.
"My coach told me to warm up just before the break. He told me I was going to take care of Kaka. I didn't think it was possible to turn things around but in the dressing room at halftime Rafa Benitez was calm - "We are Liverpool FC, we have so many fans, we are not going to be slaughtered. If we can score a goal quickly we push on from there.""

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« Reply #10206 on: December 22, 2010, 12:36:35 PM »
Don't agree he could get on with Rick Parry and a power struggle ensued as Rafa wanted complete control of all football matters with Damien Comolli in place he doesn't have the control he would want.
Don't want him back to be honest honest, it's like when you go back out with a bird, it's never the samne second time round, to much baggage.
You've completely missed my point. So I'll say it again. He fought for full control precisely because there was no Commolli type around. Only Purslow.
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Re: Rafa thread - in a job out of a job?... who knows?...
« Reply #10207 on: December 22, 2010, 12:37:03 PM »

Don't want him back to be honest honest, it's like when you go back out with a bird, it's never the samne second time round, to much baggage.

That's the bloody problem. I said early on too many on here using their love lives to analyse football. Don't.

You can go back in football management, and actually do better the second time. Anyway, it's not an issue of the first or second time, the main issue would be as a manager, in terms of quality, is he suited for the club?

If it's yes, then it should be possible. Anyway this has been done to death.

What's with this Rafa control freak? It's straightforward. You want to do well, you either
1. Delegate to competent people
2. Do it yourself.

If 1.'s not available, go for 2. If Comolli fits in 1., Rafa can delegate.

I'm not a big fan of Comolli and the entire system, but the people to make that decision on whether those two can work together are Fenway. We'll see.

« Last Edit: December 22, 2010, 12:40:25 PM by surfer »

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« Reply #10208 on: December 22, 2010, 12:37:35 PM »
You´re full of it and we all know it, so give it a rest.

Great, just resort to personal attacks. I'm not full of it and I'm not a fucking prophet or whatever other patronising thing you want to accuse me of being.

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« Reply #10209 on: December 22, 2010, 12:38:18 PM »
You've completely missed my point. So I'll say it again. He fought for full control precisely because there was no Commolli type around. Only Purslow.
I know exactley what your saying IMO Rafa is the ultimate control freak and wouldn't take kindley to someone proposing tranfers targets. Can't see it working.

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« Reply #10210 on: December 22, 2010, 12:39:01 PM »
This one you gave is deffo shyte. Last post was DAYS ago. At least the other had some traffic today.

The http://interistieretici.forumfree.it/ ?

Definitely. Like I said, you look around, the interfans is the busiest. And with a few quality posters.

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« Reply #10211 on: December 22, 2010, 12:39:16 PM »
Rafa is a manager who has a vision for the team he is coaching if the owners don't back up this vision what's the point of him being manager just might as well have someone like Hodgson in charge.

It proves how much he loved Liverpool, The Club and the fans that he held out at us for so long and had to be forced out in the end.

Rafa will always be a "If only" which is a great shame.

But JW has the power to put things right.
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« Reply #10212 on: December 22, 2010, 12:43:28 PM »
I know exactley what your saying IMO Rafa is the ultimate control freak and wouldn't take kindley to someone proposing tranfers targets. Can't see it working.

It's how they do it in Spain and Italy and he's worked in both those places.
"My coach told me to warm up just before the break. He told me I was going to take care of Kaka. I didn't think it was possible to turn things around but in the dressing room at halftime Rafa Benitez was calm - "We are Liverpool FC, we have so many fans, we are not going to be slaughtered. If we can score a goal quickly we push on from there.""

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« Reply #10213 on: December 22, 2010, 12:46:09 PM »
I know exactley what your saying IMO Rafa is the ultimate control freak and wouldn't take kindley to someone proposing tranfers targets. Can't see it working.

He had to be a control freak with the muppets we had running our club.

I think JW's vision and Rafa's vision would now go hand in hand.
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« Reply #10214 on: December 22, 2010, 12:46:14 PM »
It's how they do it in Spain and Italy and he's worked in both those places.
And has also left both of them on less the friendly terms, the reason he enjoyed managing in the UK is that managers have sole responsibilty.

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« Reply #10215 on: December 22, 2010, 12:47:06 PM »
He had to be a control freak with the muppets we had running our club.

I think JW's vision and Rafa's vision would now go hand in hand.
A pipe dream IMO

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« Reply #10216 on: December 22, 2010, 12:48:05 PM »
And has also left both of them on less the friendly terms, the reason he enjoyed managing in the UK is that managers have sole responsibilty.

But he knew that's the way things are done in both those countries. So why take the job on in the first place if he wanted complete control? And if you analyse why he left both those places, it's because of the club not doing what they needed to to improve the team and broken promises.
"My coach told me to warm up just before the break. He told me I was going to take care of Kaka. I didn't think it was possible to turn things around but in the dressing room at halftime Rafa Benitez was calm - "We are Liverpool FC, we have so many fans, we are not going to be slaughtered. If we can score a goal quickly we push on from there.""

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« Reply #10217 on: December 22, 2010, 12:48:07 PM »
It's like comparing Fernando Torres with Sean Dundee isn't it?

Only Sean Dundee was closer in skill to Nando
Think before you post a response.
Have you  something relevant or interesting to add?
Or do you feel compelled to show us all that you are thick?

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« Reply #10218 on: December 22, 2010, 12:48:45 PM »
I know exactley what your saying IMO Rafa is the ultimate control freak and wouldn't take kindley to someone proposing tranfers targets. Can't see it working.

It's not like Comolli will come over with a list saying "I'm buying these, deal with it". - Its more that they will cooperate, discuss the new players' value to the team, resale value - if any, the possibilities of picking up a young starlet before other clubs notice and so on and so forth.

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« Reply #10219 on: December 22, 2010, 12:49:32 PM »
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« Reply #10220 on: December 22, 2010, 12:49:52 PM »
But he knew that's the way things are done in both those countries. So why take the job on in the first place if he wanted complete control? And if you analyse why he left both those places, it's because of the club not doing what they needed to to improve the team and broken promises.
So one of his quotes when he left Valencia was I asked for a table and they bought me a lamp (or something similar) this says to me that he is uncomfortable working in an environment where he doesn't call all the shots.

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« Reply #10221 on: December 22, 2010, 12:50:22 PM »
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Re: Rafa thread - in a job out of a job?... who knows?...
« Reply #10222 on: December 22, 2010, 12:51:42 PM »
But he knew that's the way things are done in both those countries. So why take the job on in the first place if he wanted complete control? And if you analyse why he left both those places, it's because of the club not doing what they needed to to improve the team and broken promises.

Well it's certainly never, ever Benitez' fault is it?

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Re: Rafa thread - in a job out of a job?... who knows?...
« Reply #10223 on: December 22, 2010, 12:53:01 PM »
So one of his quotes when he left Valencia was I asked for a table and they bought me a lamp (or something similar) this says to me that he is uncomfortable working in an environment where he doesn't call all the shots.

No it doesn't. It suggests incompetence. And that the club isn't necessarily doing what's best for the team. Comolli's already said if Roy's not comfortable with a player, they won't sign him.
"My coach told me to warm up just before the break. He told me I was going to take care of Kaka. I didn't think it was possible to turn things around but in the dressing room at halftime Rafa Benitez was calm - "We are Liverpool FC, we have so many fans, we are not going to be slaughtered. If we can score a goal quickly we push on from there.""

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« Reply #10224 on: December 22, 2010, 12:53:08 PM »
Well it's certainly never, ever Benitez' fault is it?
Do you guys work on a shift system? shelovesyou and Swedenred do the night shift and you and Simon C take over in the morning?
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« Reply #10225 on: December 22, 2010, 12:54:36 PM »
Well it's certainly never, ever Benitez' fault is it?

No it's never ever his fault. Despite the fact that not one of his so called 'suppoerters' have ever said that. Despite the fact that he's never said that. It's supposedly never his fault.
"My coach told me to warm up just before the break. He told me I was going to take care of Kaka. I didn't think it was possible to turn things around but in the dressing room at halftime Rafa Benitez was calm - "We are Liverpool FC, we have so many fans, we are not going to be slaughtered. If we can score a goal quickly we push on from there.""

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« Reply #10226 on: December 22, 2010, 12:54:49 PM »
Do you guys work on a shift system? shelovesyou and Swedenred do the night shift and you and Simon C take over in the morning?
That's a bit uncalled for just because I have a differing opinion doesn't make it any less valid than yours. From your posts I would have thought you were above petty insults.

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« Reply #10227 on: December 22, 2010, 12:56:10 PM »
gutted it didn't work out at inter, but rafa knew what he was doing when he gave that statement the other night. sadly I think some football club's boards will think Rafa is high maintenance/wants lots of control and it will take a CEO to completely trust in Rafa to give him his next job.

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« Reply #10228 on: December 22, 2010, 12:56:13 PM »
I'm a dreamer.

You're not the only one.
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« Reply #10229 on: December 22, 2010, 12:57:11 PM »
Right my fellow internet terrorists, time to go to work:

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« Reply #10230 on: December 22, 2010, 12:57:37 PM »
I'm a dreamer.

And Rafa is the man who made them dreams come true for us...

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« Reply #10231 on: December 22, 2010, 12:59:04 PM »
That's a bit uncalled for just because I have a differing opinion doesn't make it any less valid than yours. From your posts I would have thought you were above petty insults.
Sorry mate, to be honest I should have used another name but robgomm seems to be doing the day shift on his own.
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« Reply #10232 on: December 22, 2010, 01:00:10 PM »
Sorry mate, to be honest I should have used another name but robgomm seems to be doing the day shift on his own.
Agreed never the best thought through responses!

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« Reply #10233 on: December 22, 2010, 01:01:06 PM »
It is, EOTK got it wrong.

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Re: Rafa thread - in a job out of a job?... who knows?...
« Reply #10234 on: December 22, 2010, 01:02:23 PM »
So one of his quotes when he left Valencia was I asked for a table and they bought me a lamp (or something similar) this says to me that he is uncomfortable working in an environment where he doesn't call all the shots.
He's not asking to call all the shots.

If he asks for a left back and they buy him a striker then how is expected to do his job as expected?

It's like you hire a gardener - he tells you the lawn mower is fcuked, and asks for a new one.  So you give him a wheelbarrow instead.  So he complains about it.  Perfectly reasonable no?

But we're all ready to blame him when the grass becomes overgrown...



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« Reply #10235 on: December 22, 2010, 01:04:42 PM »
He's not asking to call all the shots.

If he asks for a left back and they buy him a striker then how is expected to do his job as expected?

It's like you hire a gardener - he tells you the lawn mower is fcuked, and asks for a new one.  So you give him a wheelbarrow instead.  So he complains about it.  Perfectly reasonable no?

But we're all ready to blame him when the grass becomes overgrown...




Good analogy still can't see Fenway bringing him back though.

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« Reply #10236 on: December 22, 2010, 01:05:31 PM »
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Re: Rafa thread - in a job out of a job?... who knows?...
« Reply #10237 on: December 22, 2010, 01:06:11 PM »
Rafa's tenure at Inter was like having a sales job where your given a car that constantly breaks down and no phone and expected too get results.

I dont think it was unreasonable for Rafa too ask for a fresh input of players as the youngsters that filled in for the exhausted or injured star performers were obviously not good enough.

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« Reply #10238 on: December 22, 2010, 01:06:20 PM »
Would love to just see a poll on here: Do you want Rafa back? Yes? No?
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Re: Rafa thread - in a job out of a job?... who knows?...
« Reply #10239 on: December 22, 2010, 01:07:00 PM »
Would love to just see a poll on here: Do you want Rafa back? Yes? No?

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