Topic: Luke Young

[tommyLFC]

He's an English Degan. But he's English. So it's ok that he's average because he's English. If it wasn't for those Johnny Foreigners he would be first choice for Villa. He's English, don't you know.

[7777]

Someone posted on the rattle that Aurelio is re-signing and Insua is coming back as he couldnt agree terms.....and that Luke Young is a done deal.

That would be okay I reckon

Young at 2.5 mill would be a more than decent back up to Johnson and he can play either position, a lot better than Degen anyway

It would also mean we didn't have to splash out on Figueroa etc

[Bangers N Masch]

He's an English Degan. But he's English. So it's ok that he's average because he's English. If it wasn't for those Johnny Foreigners he would be first choice for Villa. He's English, don't you know.

Fuck up.

[tommyLFC]

Someone posted on the rattle that Aurelio is re-signing and Insua is coming back as he couldnt agree terms.....and that Luke Young is a done deal.

Someone posted on here that Drenthe was signing. Doesn't mean he will.

[Bangers N Masch]

That would be okay I reckon

Young at 2.5 mill would be a more than decent back up to Johnson and he can play either position, a lot better than Degen anyway

It would also mean we didn't have to splash out on Figueroa etc

I don't think the Insua/Aurelio "partnership" worked really. Neither of them are reliable enough. Aurelio due to his injuries and Insua due to his inexperience and arguably faults that he may never correct.

I'd be happy with one of the two staying as cover, but I think we do need a first-choice left back. Otherwise we're just back in the same position as we were and we may find Agger or Glen Johnson at left back again.

[BernardGarcia]

Luke Young is an experienced (home grown) player, who would provide solid cover for both fullback positions ... If you look at our defense, we have Carragher, Agger and Skrtel at CD, with Kyrgiakos likely on his way out ... We also have Kelly (who is a central defender, but can cover at RB), Wilson (who is a central defender, but can cover at LB) and Ayala ... If we manage to get a solid starting left back, then the addition of Young would make the perfect sense, in terms of squad depth ...

XXX/Young/Wilson     Agger/Skrtel/Ayala/Wilson     Carragher/Skrtel/Ayala/Kelly   Johnson/Young/Kelly

The presence of Skrtel and Young as principal backups for our defense would lift the pressure from Ayala, Kelly and Wilson and would allow for them to develop in a more natural way, playing mostly for the reserves and in the cup games next season ...

Pretty much agree with you. Young is never going to make fans happy but he is a Premiership player with experience. Also seems a good Pro for the others to watch and learn from. I don't expect him to still be in next season, I see this as very short term.

[Kite]

Official comments from Roy that Insua is off but I don't see the official transfer post yet. 

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/roy-my-transfer-priority

[tommyLFC]

Fuck up.

I think you'll find that he is English.

[rednich85]

Someone posted on here that Drenthe was signing. Doesn't mean he will.

Just passing on what was said you mouthpiece

[Walter Sobchak]

Quote from: Kite on Today at 13:10:41

Official comments from Roy that Insua is off but I don't see the official transfer post yet. 

>http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/roy-my-transfer-priority

from last week

[Greg]

Because I can see them buying one left back and using young as utility. and because the Homegrown argument is used Insua was Homegrown too but not english etc...  and Like I stated I'd sooner a faster CB than Carra ie C davies.  because with Masch off we will be exposed to fuck there...

Well why not wait and see if that happens before compaining about something that actually hasn't happened? We need a back up right back, we're linked with a right back, but you've got it into your head that we're signing him as a left back. Your logic and paranoia is fucked.

And why are you going on about centre backs now? What's that gotta do with Luke Young?

Fuck's sake. Let Roy manage the club. Let him reshape the squad and assess it when he's done it.

[Bangers N Masch]

I think you'll find that he is English.

And I think you'll find he is a much more reliable player than Degen. So I repeat, fuck up.

[walshys_mullet]

That's because you like on others on here just concentrated on him when he was doing something bad, never noticed the good things, as you've stated on numerous occasions, you think he's shit, hence he is shit as you only saw the shit bits.

Most of the people defending Insua acknowledge that he has a lack of pace on the turn, however they can also acknowledge the good things that he can do, which you and Cecil's little puppet Walshy_muppet can't.

Ha ha thanks for that

[Bangers N Masch]

Fuck's sake. Let Roy manage the club. Let him reshape the squad and assess it when he's done it.

This, this and this... BUT WAIT! Luke Young isn't a "marquee" signing mate. Its not as if we already had a marquee right-back signing last summer or anything.

We're not being pointlessly linked with David Villa, oh oh far we've fallen!

[sheff-jim]

Would be a quality* signing.

*About the same quality as Kvarme, Piechnik, Diouf and Diao.

[Xabier Alonso Olano]

If we keep Insua (it seems the deal isn't done yet), and add a new experienced LB to compete with him for a place in the starting lineup, we will have Johnson, Kelly and Carragher at right back, New LB, Insua, Agger and Kelly on the left. I fail to see what Young adds to this - it's more than good, and experienced, enough (depending on who the LB will be of course).

You've sort of answered your own point.

We have just bid on an Experienced LB, Young can play both. He can be cover for both positions, and to only name Kelly (an inexperienced youth player, even though most on RAWK have a love-in with the boy, no-one actually knows how good he can be for us this season), And Carra (our first choice CB) on the list is silly. Why not have a safety net, with an experienced player that can cover if Kelly isn't performing (or injured) and leave Carra to play in the middle where he is best.

I know Kelly looks promising, but on here sometimes, people go WAAAAAYYYY overboard in their praise for the lad. I was at the Lyon game, he did okay, but Carra bossed him through the game, from the start til he went off. To suggest that he should be our back up RB for the coming season is very naive. Yeah he should play games, but a long term injury to Johnson, and I wouldnt fancy seeing Kelly line up week in week out for 3 months or whatever. And I wouldnt want Carra moved out there for that long either.

[Greg]

Official comments from Roy that Insua is off but I don't see the official transfer post yet. 

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/roy-my-transfer-priority

That's fucking 9 days old.

[The G in Gerrard]

Let's be honest, if it wasn't for this quota thing would he have even of been considered? If it is because of the quota thing why are we seeming to make such a bigger deal out of it than Chelsea, Man City for example?

[rednich85]

Figueroa.

When did he sign then? If we're looking at bringing in Young, the likelyhood of us getting Figueroa decreases slightly. I would love the fig here.

Would we 'splash' 5-6 million on a fullback. Coupled with wages....y'know, like we do.....paying the lad 40k a week over...say 3 years...

[Breitner]

You've sort of answered your own point.

We have just bid on an Experienced LB, Young can play both. He can be cover for both positions, and to only name Kelly (an inexperienced youth player, even though most on RAWK have a love-in with the boy, no-one actually knows how good he can be for us this season), And Carra (our first choice CB) on the list is silly. Why not have a safety net, with an experienced player that can cover if Kelly isn't performing (or injured) and leave Carra to play in the middle where he is best.

I know Kelly looks promising, but on here sometimes, people go WAAAAAYYYY overboard in their praise for the lad. I was at the Lyon game, he did okay, but Carra bossed him through the game, from the start til he went off. To suggest that he should be our back up RB for the coming season is very naive. Yeah he should play games, but a long term injury to Johnson, and I wouldnt fancy seeing Kelly line up week in week out for 3 months or whatever. And I wouldnt want Carra moved out there for that long either.

Exactly. Carra and Masch had to fill in at right back last season, says it all. Kelly is one for the future.

[scott]

For 2.5 million this meets our needs nicely.  He's only 31 for gods sake, has a wealth of premiership experience and can do a job on either side.  Great signing if you have a brain in your head.

He's streets ahead of Darby, Kelly, or Robinson as far as being cover at either LB or RB.

absolutely spot on

[mildale]

Why sign a player who isn't good enough to play for Aston Villa? Why sign a player who he wanted to sign for Fulham? We aren't the same level as Fulham. I mean Luke fucking Young this doesn't seem to make any sense. Yeah he's cheap but that's about it. He's cheap for a reason. Not good enough.

[SkinHimHesShite]

Let's face it the Club are on a charm offensive with the British press, in particular a section of the press that is xenophobic.

It is probably the easiest way to garner support and boy does this manager and regime need support.

i feel this way too. ever since the broughton comment about the media not sharing particular supporters views re: Benitez, I've suspected this to be the case.

They will sell the media scapegoats, bring in "proven" english talent, and bring some "stability" to the club. roy is just the saggy face of the reigime.

[Breitner]

When did he sign then? If we're looking at bringing in Young, the likelyhood of us getting Figueroa decreases slightly. I would love the fig here.

It doesn't. Young is a right back, being brought in to cover for Johnson. Figueroa is a our main target to replace Insua.

[rednich85]

Let's be honest, if it wasn't for this quota thing would he have even of been considered? If it is because of the quota thing why are we seeming to make such a bigger deal out of it than Chelsea, Man City for example?

You just read my mind. I was just pondering the exact same thing.

Its just an excuse for the shitty signings. Getting rid of players and replacing them with cheaper players with less quality.

Its the future

[rednich85]

It doesn't. Young is a right back, being brought in to cover for Johnson. Figueroa is a our main target to replace Insua.

He is, is he?

Says who?

[Greg]

This, this and this... BUT WAIT! Luke Young isn't a "marquee" signing mate. Its not as if we already had a marquee right-back signing last summer or anything.

We're not being pointlessly linked with David Villa, oh oh far we've fallen!

Exactly. People won't be satisfied until we've spent another £17m on a new right back and pay him £80k a week just to keep Glen Johnson on his toes.

I'm starting to get to the point where I believe that most fans are thick. I used to convince myself it was a difference of opinion, but now I've realised that a lot of people just aren't capable of having a logical thought process.

[tommyLFC]

And I think you'll find he is a much more reliable player than Degen. So I repeat, fuck up.

That is very debatable. Degan was a moderate success with teams like Dortmund but failed to make the step up to LFC. Young was a moderate success with teams like Charlton, failed to make the step up to Villa but we will see if he manages to make the even bigger step up to LFC. I would really debate that he is more reliable than Degen.

My point is very valid. He is English and a lot of people are quoting that as a reason for signing him. If we were linked with a 31 year old Frenchman who couldn't get in the Bordeaux team then you wouldn't be very happy. But because he is English you are willing to dance for Purslow.

And I hope you can muster more of a reply than "fuck up".

[Bangers N Masch]

Why sign a player who isn't good enough to play for Aston Villa? Why sign a player who he wanted to sign for Fulham? We aren't the same level as Fulham. I mean Luke fucking Young this doesn't seem to make any sense. Yeah he's cheap but that's about it. He's cheap for a reason. Not good enough.

Young would have started for Fulham. He'll be cover for us. So of course Fulham aren't our level.

Man, I give up. Carry on deluding yourselves that Darby and even Kelly would've been more than enough to cover for the entire season. I'll personally be happy if some of our best players aren't being forced to cover at full-back because our manager couldn be arsed to sign better and reliable cover.

[istvan kosma]

Well why not wait and see if that happens before compaining about something that actually hasn't happened? We need a back up right back, we're linked with a right back, but you've got it into your head that we're signing him as a left back. Your logic and paranoia is fucked.

And why are you going on about centre backs now? What's that gotta do with Luke Young?

Fuck's sake. Let Roy manage the club. Let him reshape the squad and assess it when he's done it.

because he won't just be a RB... I'd sooner blood Kelly as you need to at some point... I havn't said HE will be a LB.. and I'm on about the whole squad. and too right I'm Paranoid with all at the club.

good to see we can debate things here though Greg. lol let Roy manage the club.. fucker doesn't get a say who goes though does he..

[Xabier Alonso Olano]

I'm starting to get to the point where I believe that most fans are thick. I used to convince myself it was a difference of opinion, but now I've realised that a lot of people just aren't capable of having a logical thought process.

Fucking genius, and true.

New signature for me

[Breitner]

Exactly. People won't be satisfied until we've spent another £17m on a new right back and pay him £80k a week just to keep Glen Johnson on his toes.

I'm starting to get to the point where I believe that most fans are thick.

Starting?

I reckon we go for Philip Lahm. He'd walk here to cover for Johnson.

[mildale]

Young would have started for Fulham. He'll be cover for us. So of course Fulham aren't our level.

Man, I give up. Carry on deluding yourselves that Darby and even Kelly would've been more than enough to cover for the entire season. I'll personally be happy if some of our best players aren't being forced to cover at full-back because our manager couldn be arsed to sign better and reliable cover.

I'm more annyoed at losing Aurelio and Insua, then bringing in someone worse. I don't blame the manager. Plus I was annoyed when I saw the article I thought it was Ashley Young which wouldn't have been so bad. As long as he isn't signing to be our regular left back, which wouldn't surprise me with our owners at the moment.

[walshys_mullet]

Exactly. People won't be satisfied until we've spent another £17m on a new right back and pay him £80k a week just to keep Glen Johnson on his toes.

I'm starting to get to the point where I believe that most fans are thick. I used to convince myself it was a difference of opinion, but now I've realised that a lot of people just aren't capable of having a logical thought process.

Ditto. The landscapes changed for us and we have to ride it out. We have to be sensible and hold firm until hopefully we get rid.

I find it laughable that after all the years of Dossena, kromkamp, Josemi and Degen people can have the nerve to question this.

[Raz]

A lot of people going on about Young not being Villa's first choice RB but there's evidence to suggest he would have been if not for the family death and then having a massive falling out with MON. A large number of the Villa fans on their forums seem annoyed that he's leaving.

[Kage]

Not the greatest full back on Earth. However our current right back is the England right back. Degen is clearly on his way out and so we need to replace him. Not the worst move in world, all things considered. It's not like he will be first choice and Kelly looks a better bet as a CB to me.

[The Grinch]

Let's be honest, if it wasn't for this quota thing would he have even of been considered? If it is because of the quota thing why are we seeming to make such a bigger deal out of it than Chelsea, Man City for example?

The problem is not the quota, you can use as many players as you want under the age of 21, the problem is we have a manager who has never given youth a chance and who specializes in using older more experienced players with plenty of experience.

The problem now is that the older experienced players need to be home grown, hence we are thinking of spending £2.5m on a 31 yr old full back. The one position on the pitch where older players get found out first . If you want homegrown examples of this look at Steve Finnan who's legs went at 31/32 as did Gary Neville's.

[walshys_mullet]

That is very debatable. Degan was a moderate success with teams like Dortmund but failed to make the step up to LFC. Young was a moderate success with teams like Charlton, failed to make the step up to Villa but we will see if he manages to make the even bigger step up to LFC. I would really debate that he is more reliable than Degen.

My point is very valid. He is English and a lot of people are quoting that as a reason for signing him. If we were linked with a 31 year old Frenchman who couldn't get in the Bordeaux team then you wouldn't be very happy. But because he is English you are willing to dance for Purslow.

And I hope you can muster more of a reply than "fuck up".

How did he fail with Villa? By all accounts the lad was doing well until injury and a family death.

[The G in Gerrard]

Exactly. People won't be satisfied until we've spent another £17m on a new right back and pay him £80k a week just to keep Glen Johnson on his toes.

I'm starting to get to the point where I believe that most fans are thick. I used to convince myself it was a difference of opinion, but now I've realised that a lot of people just aren't capable of having a logical thought process.

You do realise that is guff. How anyone can justify in a week, when we are to potentially lose a world class midfielder in Mascherano the fact that we need to debate the fact we are chasing after a Villa reserve to sit on our bench is going to make our squad better how exactly? The Mancs for example have had no qualms in putting in Rafael for massive games and I would prefer Kelly as second choice right back than a journeyman in Young. If Kelly isn't up to so many games this season stick Carragher there or does Carragher dictate when and where he plays now?

[Bangers N Masch]

My point is very valid. He is English and a lot of people are quoting that as a reason for signing him. If we were linked with a 31 year old Frenchman who couldn't get in the Bordeaux team then you wouldn't be very happy.

This I can see your point with, and it is valid. But equally, him being English DOES make a difference. I don't see how you could possibly argue that it doesn't. Firstly we've got the quota rules which I'm not entirely sure how close we are to meeting, but this signing means we can put another experienced Englishman in the squad rather than some youngster that will never play anyway. Secondly, him being English and playing in the English league means we know what he's like. Or at least you should if you watch football. Young isn't a world beater but he is a solid defender that is also decent going forward. Simple as that really, for cover he is pretty much ideal. Thirdly, him being English means he won't have to settle in the bloody league.

And saying he "didn't cut it at Villa" isn't entirely true. He did well in his first season and then got injured and lost his place to Cuellar, who is a good player. Besides, he was cover for Villa. And he'll be cover for us. Lets not forget Villa came above us last season.

Furthermore, your point about a foreign signing works both ways. If we had signed a 31 year old full back from Bordeaux and he had an exotic name I bet some people on here would be a lot happier than signing Luke Young.

Saying he  isn't more reliable than Degen doesn't deserve more of a reply than "fuck up" in all honesty. If you'd watched both of them play it'd be clear to you who the more reliable player is. Not to mention Degen is a crock. Young isn't.