Topic: OFFICIAL: Insua to Fiorentina :(

[Something Else]

So Hodgson has either signed up on the understanding that its a fire sale, or he's been lied to (welcome to the club pal)

From what I was told he was made aware that sales were not essential

clever wording hey

not essential but why not hey

[scared_person]

From what I was told he was made aware that sales were not essential

clever wording hey

not essential but why not hey

So on your understanding who is currently in charge of transfers? I'm sure we all have a good idea who it might be....

[Sangria]

Rory Smith on twitter talking about Insua

Seems to be. Clubs have definitely held talks, and #LFC will sell if Hodgson can find two replacements. Strange decision.

What if Hodgson refuses to look for replacements? It'll probably become a game of chicken. Does Purslow dare to sell Insua if Hodgson refuses to replace him. Does Hodgson dare go into the season without a left back after Insua is sold.

[Wesley Pipes]

Wow!

We're are selling Insua as he heads towards his prime....

Expect a couple of great seasons with Fiorentina and another sale to a top euro club....

[scared_person]

What if Hodgson refuses to look for replacements? It'll probably become a game of chicken. Does Purslow dare to sell Insua if Hodgson refuses to replace him. Does Hodgson dare go into the season without a left back after Insua is sold.

What sort of replacements are we likely to get for £5M? not very good ones....

[LiamG]

Time to crank the pressure up i think!

[Sangria]

What sort of replacements are we likely to get for £5M? not very good ones....

Probably not very English ones either. What the hell happened to the English premium that Insua should be commanding?

[Carlito Roberto]

Who needs a left back anyway these days.

You have to hand it to Purslow - he's obviously heading up the operation to slowly phase out left backs from the modern game, cutting edge almost.

[Legendary]

Probably not very English ones either. What the hell happened to the English premium that Insua should be commanding?

Fiorentina is in Italy...

[Sangria]

Fiorentina is in Italy...

So why sell to an Italian club who won't pay the English premium, when the alternative is to keep a club-trained player in a position where the club is chronically short of players? That's my point. Insua is of far, far greater worth to Liverpool than any price any Italian club will offer.

[scatman]

So why sell to an Italian club who won't pay the English premium, when the alternative is to keep a club-trained player in a position where the club is chronically short of players? That's my point. Insua is of far, far greater worth to Liverpool than any price any Italian club will offer.

agree even the mancs know its a bargain surprised theyve not come knocking again for insua

[SkinHimHesShite]

how the fuck have we got such know-nothings in charge of one of the top 10 clubs in europe? everything that rafa put together for us over 5 years is being stripped down in one summer by some cock sucking toff who hasnt got a clue about football.

he has probably seen insua play about 5 or 6 games last season and feels this gives him grounds to decide whether he stays or goes. wouldnt suprise me if he doesnt actually know about the homegrown players rule at all. what a frigging muppet.

[LiamG]

"scapegoats" trying to be sold, Lucas,Insua

Kuyt next?

Its a pisstake

[Oh Yes BisCAN]

This is the one transfer at the moment, ahead of all the Gerrard/Torres paper talk, that shows how woefully these c*!?s are running this club!

The lad had a difficult season last year, but shows plenty of promise and if Hodgson doesn't want him to go he should be able to tell em to stick the deal up their arse!!

[i_wun_bite]

wtf... for 5mil? even the worst player on FM would know that 5mil is too little.... fuck off cecil

[Bob Loblaw]

"scapegoats" trying to be sold, Lucas,Insua

Kuyt next?

Its a pisstake

That's exactly what it appears like. Purslow probably think;s he's doing a great job, getting rid of al lthe players Liverpool fans have had enough of. You go on to a site like TLW and it's "i'll drive him there myself"..."we should be paying them to take Insua off us" etc. etc.

[Cribertinokes]

This is a fucking joke. Why the fuck would we sell our young, talented players? This is worse than the news of Gerrard, Mascherano or Torres leaving because now it seems it's not just our most valuable players being sold but players of literally any value.

[GIPPO77]

where does it say they are "sold"?  FFS, dont read them rags..!

[fowlermagic]

I guess the owners saw most of the posts at the end of last season when Insua was getting lambasted by many here who thought he was an awful left back. Ah well.

I always thought he was our best young prospect since SG came through, has his positional issues which will be sorted with experience hopefully but surprised to see how often he found himself in a great attacking position ideal for a cross or shot at goal. Had him penciled in as our starting left back this season with an experienced freebie standing in the wings as back up so he can get a well earned rest now & then. Worth 8m plus at least & even more considering how young he is.

[AJ the Red]

Insua imo will never be good enough , 5-6m is about right.Will he progress only time will tell but i bet half the people shouting about him on this thread tore him to bits last year.

Can we afford to keep watching him getting skinned?I would prefer a better defender regarless of how good he is going forward because at least it will add balance as johnson isnt too hot at the back.

[Sangria]

Insua imo will never be good enough , 5-6m is about right.Will he progress only time will tell but i bet half the people shouting about him on this thread tore him to bits last year.

Can we afford to keep watching him getting skinned?I would prefer a better defender regarless of how good he is going forward because at least it will add balance as johnson isnt too hot at the back.

What happens next?

[olllie]

Selling Insua means us needing two new left backs and don't forget that Insua is a homegrown player (one of few) for when the new rules kick in. Keep him, or at least wait until the january window to make a decision that could leave us very vulnerable at an already weak position.

[jDJ]

Is there any confirmation of this?  Is he still at the training camp?

[Sangria]

Is there any confirmation of this?  Is he still at the training camp?

According to Rory Smith at the Telegraph, who presumably has his sources, Insua will be gone if Hodgson can find 2 replacement LBs.

[James Mac]

According to Rory Smith at the Telegraph, who presumably has his sources, Insua will be gone if Hodgson can find 2 replacement LBs.

I guess that means he won't be gone then 

[jDJ]

According to Rory Smith at the Telegraph, who presumably has his sources, Insua will be gone if Hodgson can find 2 replacement LBs.

That's a world away from the Daily Mail story this morning though, which is obviously the story everyone else has picked up on.  That story suggested he was on his way to Florence and the clubs have agreed fees.

If Hodgson can find two replacement LBs is a very very big if.  That's also in direct conflict with the stories earlier in the week that Hodgson has no control over whether this transfer is made or not.  I have my reservations over Insua but I would keep him at the club personally - the pros of keeping him, far far outwieght the pros of selling.  If Purslow really is driving through this transfer over Hodgson's head then I despair.

[Sangria]

That's a world away from the Daily Mail story this morning though, which is obviously the story everyone else has picked up on.  That story suggested he was on his way to Florence and the clubs have agreed fees.

If Hodgson can find two replacement LBs is a very very big if.  That's also in direct conflict with the stories earlier in the week that Hodgson has no control over whether this transfer is made or not.  I have my reservations over Insua but I would keep him at the club personally - the pros of keeping him, far far outwieght the pros of selling.  If Purslow really is driving through this transfer over Hodgson's head then I despair.

Collecting some of the sources together:

19:50 del 21 giugno
Fiorentina are interested in the Liverpool Argentine left side defender Emiliano Insua, 21. However, in an exclusive interview with Calciomercato.com, Liverpool sporting director, Christian Purslow, has different ideas: 'Our only target is to find a new coach, then he can decide who to transfer and who to acquire. I can't confirm Fiorentina's interest in Insua, but the player is admired in Italy, in particular at Lazio. The only offer arrived from Manchester United, but as I said, we cannot take it into consideration for the moment. I don't think the player wants to leave Liverpool. When and if he will ask to leave, we will talk about it. At the moment I don't think that everything can be resolved in a few days'. According to the Liverpool Echo, Insua could leave if a new left side defender will arrive.

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=259628.msg7055264#msg7055264



From LFC Online:

"Il Giornale della Toscana have revealed that the deal has seen a rapid deceleration because new Reds boss Roy Hodgson is taking a signigicant amount of time evaluating his squad for next season - leaving the Viola a frustrating wait.

Before he decides who should stay or go, Hodgson wants a clear and through inspection of the resources at his disposal before granting freedom for any move in or out of Anfield.

Previous reports from both England and Italy claimed Fiorentina had struck an accord with Liverpool over a cut-price £3.3 million (€4m) deal."



From our own djphal:

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=260008.msg7140342#msg7140342

Also just heard Roy wants to keep Insua but they are trying to sell him and Lucas

I feel ill

it wasnt absolute, I didnt say there are any deals agreed or anything just that the club are trying to sell the two players but Roy wants to keep them

And now Rory Smith on twitter:
HalcyonAlbion: Any truth in the Insua to Fiorentina rumours? And who'd replace him if he does go?
rorysmith_tel: Seems to be. Clubs have definitely held talks, and #LFC will sell if Hodgson can find two replacements. Strange decision.

[payback]

so we sell him for 5m and buy two left backs for that 5m? whats the point? or get a free transfer and pay a tiny bit of interest off. this transfer could tell us everything we need to know about whats going on.

[jDJ]

Collecting some of the sources together:

19:50 del 21 giugno
Fiorentina are interested in the Liverpool Argentine left side defender Emiliano Insua, 21. However, in an exclusive interview with Calciomercato.com, Liverpool sporting director, Christian Purslow, has different ideas: 'Our only target is to find a new coach, then he can decide who to transfer and who to acquire. I can't confirm Fiorentina's interest in Insua, but the player is admired in Italy, in particular at Lazio. The only offer arrived from Manchester United, but as I said, we cannot take it into consideration for the moment. I don't think the player wants to leave Liverpool. When and if he will ask to leave, we will talk about it. At the moment I don't think that everything can be resolved in a few days'. According to the Liverpool Echo, Insua could leave if a new left side defender will arrive.

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=259628.msg7055264#msg7055264



From LFC Online:

"Il Giornale della Toscana have revealed that the deal has seen a rapid deceleration because new Reds boss Roy Hodgson is taking a signigicant amount of time evaluating his squad for next season - leaving the Viola a frustrating wait.

Before he decides who should stay or go, Hodgson wants a clear and through inspection of the resources at his disposal before granting freedom for any move in or out of Anfield.

Previous reports from both England and Italy claimed Fiorentina had struck an accord with Liverpool over a cut-price £3.3 million (€4m) deal."



From our own djphal:

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=260008.msg7140342#msg7140342


And now Rory Smith on twitter:
HalcyonAlbion: Any truth in the Insua to Fiorentina rumours? And who'd replace him if he does go?
rorysmith_tel: Seems to be. Clubs have definitely held talks, and #LFC will sell if Hodgson can find two replacements. Strange decision.

In order for the Insua deal to be part of paying off the debt, then Hodgson would need to find two free replacements to even pay off 5m of the debt.  If he finds two replacements for 5m then none of the debt is paid off at all.  Not one dime.  In fact, no debt paid off and probably a higher wage bill actually.  So, what's the motivation behind it?  Purslow simply trying to rip apart Rafa's project?  Even that seems unlikely.  Purslow, in my opinion, moved against Rafa, cost the club a lot of money and he was the driving force behind Hodgson coming in.  If he liked Hodgson then why would he sell a player Hodgson wants to keep - it just doesn't make sense.

There's only two possible explanations for me: 1.  This deal isn't done at all and Hodgson is still, quite rightly assessing the squad or 2.  Hodgson doesn't rate him.

[SP]

In order for the Insua deal to be part of paying off the debt, then Hodgson would need to find two free replacements to even pay off 5m of the debt.  If he finds two replacements for 5m then none of the debt is paid off at all.  Not one dime.  In fact, no debt paid off and probably a higher wage bill actually.  So, what's the motivation behind it?  Purslow simply trying to rip apart Rafa's project?  Even that seems unlikely.  Purslow, in my opinion, moved against Rafa, cost the club a lot of money and he was the driving force behind Hodgson coming in.  If he liked Hodgson then why would he sell a player Hodgson wants to keep - it just doesn't make sense.

There's only two possible explanations for me: 1.  This deal isn't done at all and Hodgson is still, quite rightly assessing the squad or 2.  Hodgson doesn't rate him.

Neither option explains Roy's comments about negotiations that he was not involved in.

“However, talks with Fiorentina started before I got here, so I don’t know how advanced they are.

“I cannot say if Insua will stay at Liverpool or not. I’ll have to discuss that with the club.”

[Sangria]

In order for the Insua deal to be part of paying off the debt, then Hodgson would need to find two free replacements to even pay off 5m of the debt.  If he finds two replacements for 5m then none of the debt is paid off at all.  Not one dime.  In fact, no debt paid off and probably a higher wage bill actually.  So, what's the motivation behind it?  Purslow simply trying to rip apart Rafa's project?  Even that seems unlikely.  Purslow, in my opinion, moved against Rafa, cost the club a lot of money and he was the driving force behind Hodgson coming in.  If he liked Hodgson then why would he sell a player Hodgson wants to keep - it just doesn't make sense.

There's only two possible explanations for me: 1.  This deal isn't done at all and Hodgson is still, quite rightly assessing the squad or 2.  Hodgson doesn't rate him.

See djphal's posts. Exact words, he says.

[Red_Rich]

Fuck it.  Let's spunk the Masch money on Gareth Bale! 

[SP]

Fuck it.  Let's spunk the Masch money on Gareth Bale! 

Purslow misheard you:

[Sangria]

Fuck it.  Let's spunk the Masch money on Gareth Bale! 

He'd be fecked off by Liverpool fans one year into his contract. Two and a half years without a Premiership win, something like 20-30 games.

[jDJ]

See djphal's posts. Exact words, he says.

With respect, Djphal has a very good source who gives him excellent information about team news, he is the poster I always look to for that type of information.  But knowing someone who gets that sort of information early is very different from someone who knows Hodgson's transfer plans and whether or not these come into conflict with Purslow's.

I'll repeat what I said, I believe Purslow genuinely thinks Hodgson is a really good manager who will do well for this club.  Why would he sell players Hodgson wants to keep for low fees... it doesn't make any sense.

[liverpooll]

With respect, Djphal has a very good source who gives him excellent information about team news, he is the poster I always look to for that type of information.  But knowing someone who gets that sort of information early is very different from someone who knows Hodgson's transfer plans and whether or not these come into conflict with Purslow's.

I'll repeat what I said, I believe Purslow genuinely thinks Hodgson is a really good manager who will do well for this club.  Why would he sell players Hodgson wants to keep for low fees... it doesn't make any sense.

Kinda agree. Ultimately, we would not care if and a big if we get a better player than Insua at a good price.

[JOYRO]

So according to the press we're going to sell Insua if we can find to LB:s. It makes no sense at all letting Insua go if Roy wants him to stay. But with our current owners nothing surprises me anymore. I'm hoping Roy goes for an experienced cover for Insua. And shows he's running the transfers.

[jDJ]

Neither option explains Roy's comments about negotiations that he was not involved in.

As I said, I think way too much has been read into those quotes.  If Rafa had said them about a player when he first arrived they'd have passed completely unnoted.  Hodgson has had absolutely no hesitation in publicly saying he wants to keep Gerrard and Torres, why not Insua?

[Sangria]

With respect, Djphal has a very good source who gives him excellent information about team news, he is the poster I always look to for that type of information.  But knowing someone who gets that sort of information early is very different from someone who knows Hodgson's transfer plans and whether or not these come into conflict with Purslow's.

I'll repeat what I said, I believe Purslow genuinely thinks Hodgson is a really good manager who will do well for this club.  Why would he sell players Hodgson wants to keep for low fees... it doesn't make any sense.

Whoever is making the decision to get rid of Insua for that kind of fee is short-sighted. Whether or not you rate him, he is home-grown, just had his first full season which, on statistical analysis, wasn't at all bad, and he is the only player in his position at the club. Get rid of him, and not only do you have to replace the player, you also have to contend with the quota, and all that for the fee you receive for him, which will presumably have to cover transfer fees for the replacements, signing on fees, etc. Oh, and wages, which Insua presumably doesn't command much of at the moment.

[sattapaal]

jdj, gerrard are our "stars". and they were the most speculated players.

insua must stay, would be the stupidest thing if he left.