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Re: Liverpool announce that Roy Hodgson has been appointed (*)
« Reply #1960 on: July 4, 2010, 01:55:48 am »
It's time we moved on from this,Roy is manager lets get behind him.I think he is a decent man who will do his best for us.Sure he wasn't everyone's first choice I wanted Kenny to get the job but he's here now and he'll get my loyalty.
Our main objective should be getting rid of Hicks and Gillett and we don't need any distractions from this major goal.Our Club should be owned by the fans,SOS and ShareLiverpool need to merge for the common good.

Apologies for the rant..blame it on the drink :),been a lurker on this site for a while ,I just want us to be all on the same side

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« Reply #1961 on: July 4, 2010, 02:05:58 am »
Hodgson wants Hyypia to return as coach

ROY HODGSON wants to bring Sami Hyypia back to Liverpool as a player-coach – with doubts over whether his trusted No 2 Mike Kelly will follow him to Anfield.

Kop legend Hyypia, 36, was controversially allowed to leave for Bayer Leverkusen last year but Hodgson, who managed him during his time as Finland boss, sees him as a potential ally on the coaching staff.

Hodgson is desperate for ­veteran Kelly, who is Fulham’s assistant manager and ­goalkeeping coach, to join him on Merseyside.

But Kelly, 67, has expressed doubts about joining his friend, especially as he was married only last year and is settled in the south.

While it has been widely reported ­Kelly will be Hodgson’s ­Anfield No.2, there has been no official ­approach to ­Fulham about his ­services and no deal has been put in place.

Facing a daunting task to revive Liverpool’s fortunes, Hodgson needs his long-time lieutenant by his side.

Hodgson is expected to retain Liverpool first-team coach Sammy Lee but would love to bring back Hyypia, who was his Finland captain, and the pair have a great mutual respect.

Hyypia was a hugely popular figure during a decade at Anfield but was given the cold shoulder by former boss Rafa Benitez and moved to Germany last ­summer.

He continued to be a star ­performer in the Bundesliga, despite his ­advancing years, and could be a useful ­addition to Liverpool’s playing squad as well as joining the coaching set-up.

http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/news/2010/07/04/hodgson-wants-hyypia-to-return-as-coach-102039-22380033/

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« Reply #1962 on: July 4, 2010, 02:15:52 am »
Kop job could be too tough for Hodge

Roy Hodgson has taken a monumental gamble joining Liverpool, according to senior sources at Fulham.

The 62-year-old, who joined the London club in 2007 and guided them to the Europa League final last season, is even being tipped to fail at Anfield by some players at Craven Cottage.

Others claim that, although Hodgson is widely respected in the game, his brand of management and style of football will have to change radically if he is going to succeed at Liverpool.

“I’m not entirely sure this is the right move for Roy,” claimed one senior player at Fulham. “He’s a lovely bloke and I wish him all the success in the world but I suspect he might have taken on more than he can handle going to Liverpool.

“He loathes confrontation and can’t handle egos and troublesome personalities.

“He certainly bit off more than he could chew with Jimmy Bullard at Fulham, so can you imagine him dealing with players at Liverpool like Steven Gerrard, Jamie Carragher and Fernando Torres who have enormous power in and out the dressing room?

“He can also be rigid and inflexible as well. Certain players hit a bad run of form at Fulham but Roy refused to make changes even though their performances on the field were deteriorating.”

Another player said: “Roy likes to surround himself with a certain type of player. Foreign players are less likely to come and smash down the manager’s door complaining about not playing.

“He doesn’t want troublemakers at the club, he wants players who are happy to sit patiently biding their time waiting to play.

“If there are problems he will promise you the world, fail to deliver but leave his coaching staff to deal with the fall-out.

“Personally, I think he has made a big mistake going to Liverpool.

“Steve McClaren is a good example of what can happen when you step out of your comfort zone. Didn’t he lead Middlesbrough to a major European final? Look what happened to him when he left and took over England. It’s a big gamble.”

But it’s Hodgson’s style of play that will have to change if he is to make a real success of his move to Liverpool.

A senior insider at Fulham said: “I think you can get away with a certain style of football at a club like Fulham but that won’t be tolerated at Liverpool.

“Perhaps senior figures at Liverpool and the supporters want a more settled team after the way Rafa Benitez rotated the squad.

“But Roy has a certain way of playing and sticks to it. Perhaps he will adopt a more flexible tactical approach at Liverpool but he certainly showed no sign of doing that at Fulham.

“He also has to contend with a very unstable environment, co-owners at each others throats and very demanding supporters who have been starved of success in recent years.

“At Fulham Roy could manage without pressure but he won’t have the same luxury at Liverpool.

“And I’m not sure how he will deal with Kenny Dalglish, who clearly wanted the job ahead of him.”

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Senior-Fulham-players-are-septic-about-whether-Roy-Hodgson-can-succeed-at-Liverpool-article512791.html

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Re: Liverpool announce that Roy Hodgson has been appointed (*)
« Reply #1963 on: July 4, 2010, 02:23:14 am »
I'm happy with the appointment and Rafa's sacking.

Rafa kept talking about a lack of funds but at the end of the day he spent 20m on a midfielder who wasn't fit for the first 4 months of the season and another 20m on a right back who can't defend.

Good Luck Roy, hopefully you spend your minimal funds much better than Rafa!

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« Reply #1964 on: July 4, 2010, 02:45:47 am »
It's possible the manager may be able to help players such as Babel gain some much needed confidence and help fulfil some of his potential as well.
I have to agree that Babel in particular will probably benefit from the arm around the shoulder, which was very much not Rafa's style (one of his few weaknesses in my opinion).
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Re: Liverpool announce that Roy Hodgson has been appointed (*)
« Reply #1965 on: July 4, 2010, 02:53:09 am »

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Senior-Fulham-players-are-septic-about-whether-Roy-Hodgson-can-succeed-at-Liverpool-article512791.html[/b]

The Mirror? Yeesh.

They might as well have interviewed Riera and Pennant about Rafa.

This is a great opportunity for Roy to show he can manage a big club. Of course its a bloody gamble, its Roy Hodgson at Liverpool. He doesn't exactly have Rafa's trophy cabinet, but he's shown countless times he can get teams playing above what is understood to be their level. That's what it's all about isn't it? Getting more out of a world class eleven without much depth behind them.

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Re: Liverpool announce that Roy Hodgson has been appointed (*)
« Reply #1967 on: July 4, 2010, 03:00:55 am »
Kop job could be too tough for Hodge

Roy Hodgson has taken a monumental gamble joining Liverpool, according to senior sources at Fulham.

The 62-year-old, who joined the London club in 2007 and guided them to the Europa League final last season, is even being tipped to fail at Anfield by some players at Craven Cottage.

Others claim that, although Hodgson is widely respected in the game, his brand of management and style of football will have to change radically if he is going to succeed at Liverpool.

“I’m not entirely sure this is the right move for Roy,” claimed one senior player at Fulham. “He’s a lovely bloke and I wish him all the success in the world but I suspect he might have taken on more than he can handle going to Liverpool.

“He loathes confrontation and can’t handle egos and troublesome personalities.

“He certainly bit off more than he could chew with Jimmy Bullard at Fulham, so can you imagine him dealing with players at Liverpool like Steven Gerrard, Jamie Carragher and Fernando Torres who have enormous power in and out the dressing room?

“He can also be rigid and inflexible as well. Certain players hit a bad run of form at Fulham but Roy refused to make changes even though their performances on the field were deteriorating.”

Another player said: “Roy likes to surround himself with a certain type of player. Foreign players are less likely to come and smash down the manager’s door complaining about not playing.

“He doesn’t want troublemakers at the club, he wants players who are happy to sit patiently biding their time waiting to play.

“If there are problems he will promise you the world, fail to deliver but leave his coaching staff to deal with the fall-out.

“Personally, I think he has made a big mistake going to Liverpool.

“Steve McClaren is a good example of what can happen when you step out of your comfort zone. Didn’t he lead Middlesbrough to a major European final? Look what happened to him when he left and took over England. It’s a big gamble.”

But it’s Hodgson’s style of play that will have to change if he is to make a real success of his move to Liverpool.

A senior insider at Fulham said: “I think you can get away with a certain style of football at a club like Fulham but that won’t be tolerated at Liverpool.

“Perhaps senior figures at Liverpool and the supporters want a more settled team after the way Rafa Benitez rotated the squad.

“But Roy has a certain way of playing and sticks to it. Perhaps he will adopt a more flexible tactical approach at Liverpool but he certainly showed no sign of doing that at Fulham.

“He also has to contend with a very unstable environment, co-owners at each others throats and very demanding supporters who have been starved of success in recent years.

“At Fulham Roy could manage without pressure but he won’t have the same luxury at Liverpool.

“And I’m not sure how he will deal with Kenny Dalglish, who clearly wanted the job ahead of him.”

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Senior-Fulham-players-are-septic-about-whether-Roy-Hodgson-can-succeed-at-Liverpool-article512791.html



In all fairness...Jimmy Bullard is a a cock...in fact im going to call him Jimmy bellend from this moment onwards.

But not much changes eh...they got what they wanted, a new man in, and still crappy press...If they wanted a real story they should send someone to the $th of July rally and maybe listen to some facts...saying that, they wouldnt know the truth if it bit them on thier fat arses.

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« Reply #1968 on: July 4, 2010, 03:00:57 am »
When did Cecil jump ship to fulham?
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« Reply #1969 on: July 4, 2010, 03:02:21 am »
When did Cecil jump ship to fulham?

Don't say that he might be watching you  :P
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« Reply #1970 on: July 4, 2010, 03:05:35 am »
Don't say that he might be watching you  :P
;D I hope he's fucking watching tomorrow the twat
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« Reply #1971 on: July 4, 2010, 03:15:17 am »
;D I hope he's fucking watching tomorrow the twat

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« Reply #1972 on: July 4, 2010, 03:59:08 am »
Hodgson wants Hyypia to return as coach

ROY HODGSON wants to bring Sami Hyypia back to Liverpool as a player-coach – with doubts over whether his trusted No 2 Mike Kelly will follow him to Anfield.

Kop legend Hyypia, 36, was controversially allowed to leave for Bayer Leverkusen last year but Hodgson, who managed him during his time as Finland boss, sees him as a potential ally on the coaching staff.

Hodgson is desperate for ­veteran Kelly, who is Fulham’s assistant manager and ­goalkeeping coach, to join him on Merseyside.

But Kelly, 67, has expressed doubts about joining his friend, especially as he was married only last year and is settled in the south.

While it has been widely reported ­Kelly will be Hodgson’s ­Anfield No.2, there has been no official ­approach to ­Fulham about his ­services and no deal has been put in place.

Facing a daunting task to revive Liverpool’s fortunes, Hodgson needs his long-time lieutenant by his side.

Hodgson is expected to retain Liverpool first-team coach Sammy Lee but would love to bring back Hyypia, who was his Finland captain, and the pair have a great mutual respect.

Hyypia was a hugely popular figure during a decade at Anfield but was given the cold shoulder by former boss Rafa Benitez and moved to Germany last ­summer.

He continued to be a star ­performer in the Bundesliga, despite his ­advancing years, and could be a useful ­addition to Liverpool’s playing squad as well as joining the coaching set-up.

http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/news/2010/07/04/hodgson-wants-hyypia-to-return-as-coach-102039-22380033/

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« Reply #1973 on: July 4, 2010, 04:42:26 am »
Why was Sami released from Leverkusen?
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« Reply #1974 on: July 4, 2010, 04:58:29 am »
Why was Sami released from Leverkusen?

He hasn't, and that's why it most likely won't happen.

Now, when his contract with Leverkusen runs out next summer however...
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« Reply #1975 on: July 4, 2010, 06:49:42 am »
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/hodgson-makes-right-noises-in-the-wrong-place-2245508.html

Hodgson makes right noises in the wrong place
Roy Hodgson's arrival is confirmation of Liverpool's great decline, says Dion Fanning

Sunday July 04 2010

R oy Hodgson has been described as "the perfect appointment" for Liverpool. Although as the writer in question also once suggested that Emile Heskey could have the same impact on a club as Eric Cantona, there are good reasons right now for Liverpool to feel very afraid.

Hodgson will not make or break Liverpool, Tom Hicks and George Gillett have already taken care of that, but his appointment last week underlined one thing: football is no longer the priority at Anfield.

Hodgson was, by all accounts, impressive at his introductory press conference on Thursday but he was always going to be. He is astute at playing the media, saying nothing or saying the right thing, which as far as the corporate class who run Liverpool are concerned is the same thing.

For them, Hodgson's debut was a dream. He was hailed by the media, many of who feel they will be inside the tent once more after the years when Benitez treated them with contempt, and he made no claims on money that did not exist.

Liverpool underlined their position as a dwindling force in English football with the announcement that the eminently reasonable Hodgson would be their new manager.

Hodgson described managing Liverpool as "the biggest job in club football" which in some ways is true. It is the biggest challenge but if Liverpool were the biggest club in world football, they wouldn't be appointing Roy Hodgson as manager. Hodgson seems to sense this somewhere. He is a footnote in Liverpool's history but, more importantly, he is a footnote in Liverpool's present.

Liverpool is now a club owned by banks and run for the benefit of bankers. They have appeared to discount the advice of the football man Kenny Dalglish, although at Hodgson's presentation it was said he was fully supportive. Subsequent quotes from Dalglish, the spiritual leader of Liverpool Football Club, gave his backing to the new manager.

Dalglish is being impeccably loyal to the club he loves but what kind of club remains is, as the new manager admitted, beyond Hodgson's control. He says he has received assurances that he will receive any money from the sale of players but this would be a change of strategy. This regime is also good at giving assurances. The new stadium is already built on assurances alone and Tom Hicks was able to name a completion date without letting anyone know when building would start.

The chairman Martin Broughton last week assured people that unknown bidders would start trying to buy the club by mid-July and he expected the club to be sold by the end of August, even though there have been no bids yet. With these men in charge of an appointment, Liverpool were never going to get a revolutionary or even a visionary. Instead they got the company man.

The distraction is about Hodgson keeping the players who want to leave, the players who would leave, it was suggested, if Benitez stayed. Javier Mascherano seems certain to go while Fernando Torres may stick around for one more season, but he may be more reluctant if Steven Gerrard goes.

One website reported that Gerrard had "given his unanimous backing" to Hodgson. For somebody as conflicted as Gerrard that would be possible but also quite an achievement. Gerrard's backing might not keep him at the club and if Liverpool was still a football club, selling Gerrard would make a lot of sense.

Unfortunately, Hodgson would probably not see the money if he sold him so he has to fight to keep him, but admitted on his first day that it was "to some extent, out of his hands". Hodgson is a reasonable man in circumstances that are unreasonable. They are banking on him staying reasonable.

To date, Christian Purslow has failed to do what he was brought in to do and he fired Benitez for similar footballing failures. Now he has appointed a man who has many friends in the media, guaranteeing an orgy of bullshit not seen since they urged Liverpool to be patient with Gerard Houllier (funny how they never had the same tolerance for Benitez, but Rafa never provided them with the name of a good restaurant in Montpellier).

By the end of the week, all the important figures had spoken. "He is a man of great experience who attends all the big tournaments," Houllier said of his friend, bringing his own touch of surreal flimflam to the proceedings. Attendance at all the big tournaments is now a qualification which must make Malcolm Brodie a prime candidate for the big jobs. Jose Mourinho, who hasn't spent much time in South Africa, would want to watch his back.

The age of bullshit is back with the blessing of Houllier. Liverpool is now peppered with it. In response to one fan's criticism of the decision to sack Benitez, Broughton replied that the media didn't seem to agree with the supporters who were against the dismissal. What this had to do with anything wasn't made clear but the media reaction was, as the official website reported, universally supportive of Hodgson's appointment. They have controlled the news cycle while everything else falls to pieces.

Those who will protest in Liverpool today about the ownership of Hicks and Gillett are wise to what is going on. They are staging their own Independence Day and they know that Hodgson is window dressing. There were many justifiable reasons for dismissing Benitez but none for replacing him with Hodgson.

He makes the right noises in the right language, the language that is understood from the corporate world to the UEFA technical committees where Hodgson has permanent membership. It is the language of bullshit.

"I'd like to sign off on the financial part and leave that to the man sat beside me because he knows more about these things than me," Hodgson said on Thursday, suggesting he hasn't been paying attention; the days when the money men knew about money is over.

But Hodgson is there as a balm. His purpose is not to soothe the supporters but to soothe those who now call the shots. There will be no more awkward press conferences; the bourgeoisie have triumphed.

They talk about stability and harmony. Why would a manager with a club in as much danger as Liverpool want to provide that? "The only complete person is a complete idiot," Tennessee Williams said. For harmony, stability and open lines of communication read inertia, acquiescence and appeasement.

Liverpool will be a quieter club under Hodgson. There was never a worse time to be silent.

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« Reply #1976 on: July 4, 2010, 07:37:44 am »
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/hodgson-makes-right-noises-in-the-wrong-place-2245508.html

Hodgson makes right noises in the wrong place
Roy Hodgson's arrival is confirmation of Liverpool's great decline, says Dion Fanning

Sunday July 04 2010

R oy Hodgson has been described as "the perfect appointment" for Liverpool. Although as the writer in question also once suggested that Emile Heskey could have the same impact on a club as Eric Cantona, there are good reasons right now for Liverpool to feel very afraid.

Hodgson will not make or break Liverpool, Tom Hicks and George Gillett have already taken care of that, but his appointment last week underlined one thing: football is no longer the priority at Anfield.

Hodgson was, by all accounts, impressive at his introductory press conference on Thursday but he was always going to be. He is astute at playing the media, saying nothing or saying the right thing, which as far as the corporate class who run Liverpool are concerned is the same thing.

For them, Hodgson's debut was a dream. He was hailed by the media, many of who feel they will be inside the tent once more after the years when Benitez treated them with contempt, and he made no claims on money that did not exist.

Liverpool underlined their position as a dwindling force in English football with the announcement that the eminently reasonable Hodgson would be their new manager.

Hodgson described managing Liverpool as "the biggest job in club football" which in some ways is true. It is the biggest challenge but if Liverpool were the biggest club in world football, they wouldn't be appointing Roy Hodgson as manager. Hodgson seems to sense this somewhere. He is a footnote in Liverpool's history but, more importantly, he is a footnote in Liverpool's present.

Liverpool is now a club owned by banks and run for the benefit of bankers. They have appeared to discount the advice of the football man Kenny Dalglish, although at Hodgson's presentation it was said he was fully supportive. Subsequent quotes from Dalglish, the spiritual leader of Liverpool Football Club, gave his backing to the new manager.

Dalglish is being impeccably loyal to the club he loves but what kind of club remains is, as the new manager admitted, beyond Hodgson's control. He says he has received assurances that he will receive any money from the sale of players but this would be a change of strategy. This regime is also good at giving assurances. The new stadium is already built on assurances alone and Tom Hicks was able to name a completion date without letting anyone know when building would start.

The chairman Martin Broughton last week assured people that unknown bidders would start trying to buy the club by mid-July and he expected the club to be sold by the end of August, even though there have been no bids yet. With these men in charge of an appointment, Liverpool were never going to get a revolutionary or even a visionary. Instead they got the company man.

The distraction is about Hodgson keeping the players who want to leave, the players who would leave, it was suggested, if Benitez stayed. Javier Mascherano seems certain to go while Fernando Torres may stick around for one more season, but he may be more reluctant if Steven Gerrard goes.

One website reported that Gerrard had "given his unanimous backing" to Hodgson. For somebody as conflicted as Gerrard that would be possible but also quite an achievement. Gerrard's backing might not keep him at the club and if Liverpool was still a football club, selling Gerrard would make a lot of sense.

Unfortunately, Hodgson would probably not see the money if he sold him so he has to fight to keep him, but admitted on his first day that it was "to some extent, out of his hands". Hodgson is a reasonable man in circumstances that are unreasonable. They are banking on him staying reasonable.

To date, Christian Purslow has failed to do what he was brought in to do and he fired Benitez for similar footballing failures. Now he has appointed a man who has many friends in the media, guaranteeing an orgy of bullshit not seen since they urged Liverpool to be patient with Gerard Houllier (funny how they never had the same tolerance for Benitez, but Rafa never provided them with the name of a good restaurant in Montpellier).

By the end of the week, all the important figures had spoken. "He is a man of great experience who attends all the big tournaments," Houllier said of his friend, bringing his own touch of surreal flimflam to the proceedings. Attendance at all the big tournaments is now a qualification which must make Malcolm Brodie a prime candidate for the big jobs. Jose Mourinho, who hasn't spent much time in South Africa, would want to watch his back.

The age of bullshit is back with the blessing of Houllier. Liverpool is now peppered with it. In response to one fan's criticism of the decision to sack Benitez, Broughton replied that the media didn't seem to agree with the supporters who were against the dismissal. What this had to do with anything wasn't made clear but the media reaction was, as the official website reported, universally supportive of Hodgson's appointment. They have controlled the news cycle while everything else falls to pieces.

Those who will protest in Liverpool today about the ownership of Hicks and Gillett are wise to what is going on. They are staging their own Independence Day and they know that Hodgson is window dressing. There were many justifiable reasons for dismissing Benitez but none for replacing him with Hodgson.

He makes the right noises in the right language, the language that is understood from the corporate world to the UEFA technical committees where Hodgson has permanent membership. It is the language of bullshit.

"I'd like to sign off on the financial part and leave that to the man sat beside me because he knows more about these things than me," Hodgson said on Thursday, suggesting he hasn't been paying attention; the days when the money men knew about money is over.

But Hodgson is there as a balm. His purpose is not to soothe the supporters but to soothe those who now call the shots. There will be no more awkward press conferences; the bourgeoisie have triumphed.

They talk about stability and harmony. Why would a manager with a club in as much danger as Liverpool want to provide that? "The only complete person is a complete idiot," Tennessee Williams said. For harmony, stability and open lines of communication read inertia, acquiescence and appeasement.

Liverpool will be a quieter club under Hodgson. There was never a worse time to be silent.

Sunday Independent


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« Reply #1977 on: July 4, 2010, 08:14:09 am »
That was an excellent article from the  Independent, cuts through the media  crap of the last week and shows exactly what our position is at the moment.

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« Reply #1978 on: July 4, 2010, 08:30:36 am »
The media admitting that the media is full of baseless rubbish used to control and provide for their own ends, all the while holding purporting to sway both the power-brokers and the public with their agenda driven shite? Well I never.

A refreshing piece of honesty where generally bullshit reigns and a sad indictment of what has happened to our club.
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« Reply #1979 on: July 4, 2010, 08:56:08 am »
Dion Fanning is about the most clued in sports writer in the major press, right to the heart of the issues, no pussy footing around.....love reading him.

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He hasn't, and that's why it most likely won't happen.

Now, when his contract with Leverkusen runs out next summer however...

Still might not happen.
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« Reply #1981 on: July 4, 2010, 09:01:05 am »
Excellent article and sums up Hodgson's appointment in one word - patsy. The guy knows how most supporters feel and would have stayed well away from the club, but his own desire got in the way of what us the supporters want. I will not be supporting him.
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« Reply #1982 on: July 4, 2010, 09:03:46 am »
Dion has summed up what I feel. On the one part I am trying to back the new manager, on the other though is the fact that all the bastards are still at the club, now they can pretty much do what they want. The way I feel about this club now, is just completely surreal.
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Re: Liverpool announce that Roy Hodgson has been appointed (*)
« Reply #1983 on: July 4, 2010, 09:13:17 am »
excellent article by Dion

It is a pity there are not more in the media like him
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Re: Liverpool announce that Roy Hodgson has been appointed (*)
« Reply #1984 on: July 4, 2010, 09:45:49 am »
A hopelessly half-baked article culled almost entirely from RAWK posts.

The premise of the headline  is wrong. Hodgson’s appointment is not confirmation of our decline, it is a footnote, an irrelevance. What was confirmation of our decline was our inability to retain the services of Benitez. But Fanning spectacularly misses this point, then bizarrely contradicts this  by describing the appointment as a footnote.

His statement that “if LFC were still a football club then selling Gerrard  would make a lot of sense” exposed the limitations of his understanding of both our club specifically, and football in general.

His back handed dissing of both Houllier, whose trophy record at Anfield he seems oblivious of, and Roy’s  football professionalism as a student of the game was both cheap, and ignorant. To implicitly condemn Hodgson’s words as bullshit is disgraceful, as is  implying that his distinguished position on UEFA’s  technical committee  is a negative.

Any manager appointed by G&H knows the score, and that is pretty unpalatable. But what is the alternative? No manager? Would appointing a series of SOS storm troopers who  were  sacked each week help the club? But Fanning ignores that, just as he devotes only a few lines to our Independence Day protest.

The bankruptcy of his thought is exposed in  his line” There were many justifiable reasons for dismissing Benitez but none for replacing him with Hodgson.” There were no justifiable reasons for dismissing Benitez, and the reasons for appointing Hodgson are many, not least of which is that no better manager wanted the job.

That LFC under G&H is in big trouble is true. But few will be surprised that this type of lazy journalism is written in Britain’s smallest selling Sunday Newspaper. We are due far better. The funniest line was this. “For them, Hodgson's debut was a dream. He was hailed by the media, many of who feel they will be inside the tent once more after the years when Benitez treated them with contempt”. Benitez didn’t like or enjoy media work, he saw it as a distraction from his job, managing football teams, and I respected him enormously for it.It is true that Hodgson is well liked, and well connected in the media, Fanning isn’t.
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« Reply #1985 on: July 4, 2010, 09:50:41 am »
to be honest though Houllier should have minded his own buisness and Danny Murphy who sounds very bitter. Both are no longer at the club and therefore have no say in it.
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« Reply #1986 on: July 4, 2010, 10:01:22 am »
A hopelessly half-baked article culled almost entirely from RAWK posts.

The premise of the headline  is wrong. Hodgson’s appointment is not confirmation of our decline, it is a footnote, an irrelevance. What was confirmation of our decline was our inability to retain the services of Benitez. But Fanning spectacularly misses this point, then bizarrely contradicts this  by describing the appointment as a footnote.

His statement that “if LFC were still a football club then selling Gerrard  would make a lot of sense” exposed the limitations of his understanding of both our club specifically, and football in general.

His back handed dissing of both Houllier, whose trophy record at Anfield he seems oblivious of, and Roy’s  football professionalism as a student of the game was both cheap, and ignorant. To implicitly condemn Hodgson’s words as bullshit is disgraceful, as is  implying that his distinguished position on UEFA’s  technical committee  is a negative.

Any manager appointed by G&H knows the score, and that is pretty unpalatable. But what is the alternative? No manager? Would appointing a series of SOS storm troopers who  were  sacked each week help the club? But Fanning ignores that, just as he devotes only a few lines to our Independence Day protest.

The bankruptcy of his thought is exposed in  his line” There were many justifiable reasons for dismissing Benitez but none for replacing him with Hodgson.” There were no justifiable reasons for dismissing Benitez, and the reasons for appointing Hodgson are many, not least of which is that no better manager wanted the job.

That LFC under G&H is in big trouble is true. But few will be surprised that this type of lazy journalism is written in Britain’s smallest selling Sunday Newspaper. We are due far better. The funniest line was this. “For them, Hodgson's debut was a dream. He was hailed by the media, many of who feel they will be inside the tent once more after the years when Benitez treated them with contempt”. Benitez didn’t like or enjoy media work, he saw it as a distraction from his job, managing football teams, and I respected him enormously for it.It is true that Hodgson is well liked, and well connected in the media, Fanning isn’t.


No offence -- but the premise of your argument could be used almost entirely against your post.

For many Hodgson appointment could be seen as confirmation - is he on anybody's top ten? Yet he was either A.  the first choice for Purslow....showing his lack of knowledge, and /or true motivation. Or B. not his first choice, in which case LFC have had to 'settle' for a manager who we would not be surprised if he took over  a club like West Ham or Birmingham.

If we were run as well as Arsenal/United, then selling Gerrard would make sense (not that I want to). A declining player, a chance to reinvest the considerable sum we would get for a 30 year old.  Think Henry/Beckham/van Nisterooj/Petit/Overmars.

I am as big an advocate of Benitez as anyone -- and should not have sacked him, but we are fools if we think he was infallible and there were issues there (footballing as well). But what clouds the who,e sorry episode is that the footballing flaws were swept aside because he sacked for being one of us.

I think more than any other clubs, we are a rabbit warren of contradictions and duplicity and any debate is stifled by the anger which will last until they leave us alone.

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« Reply #1987 on: July 4, 2010, 10:05:59 am »
A hopelessly half-baked article culled almost entirely from RAWK posts.

The premise of the headline  is wrong. Hodgson’s appointment is not confirmation of our decline, it is a footnote, an irrelevance. What was confirmation of our decline was our inability to retain the services of Benitez. But Fanning spectacularly misses this point, then bizarrely contradicts this  by describing the appointment as a footnote.

His statement that “if LFC were still a football club then selling Gerrard  would make a lot of sense” exposed the limitations of his understanding of both our club specifically, and football in general.

His back handed dissing of both Houllier, whose trophy record at Anfield he seems oblivious of, and Roy’s  football professionalism as a student of the game was both cheap, and ignorant. To implicitly condemn Hodgson’s words as bullshit is disgraceful, as is  implying that his distinguished position on UEFA’s  technical committee  is a negative.

Any manager appointed by G&H knows the score, and that is pretty unpalatable. But what is the alternative? No manager? Would appointing a series of SOS storm troopers who  were  sacked each week help the club? But Fanning ignores that, just as he devotes only a few lines to our Independence Day protest.

The bankruptcy of his thought is exposed in  his line” There were many justifiable reasons for dismissing Benitez but none for replacing him with Hodgson.” There were no justifiable reasons for dismissing Benitez, and the reasons for appointing Hodgson are many, not least of which is that no better manager wanted the job.

That LFC under G&H is in big trouble is true. But few will be surprised that this type of lazy journalism is written in Britain’s smallest selling Sunday Newspaper. We are due far better. The funniest line was this. “For them, Hodgson's debut was a dream. He was hailed by the media, many of who feel they will be inside the tent once more after the years when Benitez treated them with contempt”. Benitez didn’t like or enjoy media work, he saw it as a distraction from his job, managing football teams, and I respected him enormously for it.It is true that Hodgson is well liked, and well connected in the media, Fanning isn’t.
Fanning has wrote some good articles over the last few months which have impressed me, but on this I'm ambivalent also. You make some fair points in that post mate.

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Re: Liverpool announce that Roy Hodgson has been appointed (*)
« Reply #1988 on: July 4, 2010, 10:09:31 am »
WTF is this about?

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/clubs/premier-league/New-Liverpool-boss-Roy-Hodgson-hopes-that-his-mate-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-will-forgive-him-for-taking-up-rival-position-article512743.html

Hodgson: I hope my mate Sir Alex will forgive me

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Roy Hodgson fears his appointment as Liverpool boss will spark the collapse of his friendship with Mr. Ferguson.

The former Fulham coach, who replaced Rafael Benitez last week, is great mates with Fergie.

At the end of last season, the Manchester United coach hailed the Cottagers’ progress to the Europa League final as one of the greatest ever achievements by a British club.

But Hodgson’s arrival at ­Anfield could be the end of a beautiful friendship.

The bitter rivalry between the two giants was stoked up during Benitez’s reign, when Rafa and Ferguson regularly traded verbal blows.

“I know Sir Alex is not really a Liverpool man,” said ­Hodgson, “so I’m a bit ­concerned about my excellent relationship with him.

“I sincerely hope he forgives me for moving north and hopefully we can have a glass of wine together, maybe in secret.

“I hope that’s how he is going to see it – but he is one of the people I intend to ring to find out.

“I rang the Fulham chairman (Mohamed Al Fayed). That was one phone call I had to get out of the way. Alex might be the next one.”

The intense competition ­between the two north-west clubs reached fever pitch in 2009 when Fergie’s men equalled Liverpool’s long-standing record of 18 League titles – and the Kopites were runners-up.

Liverpool had a dismal ­campaign this time round – finishing seventh – but ­Hodgson is more interested in restoring their place as a top-four club than playing mind games with his new ­adversary.

He said: “I’ve always ­believed you don’t have battles with other managers.

“Football teams have battles with other football teams, clubs have battles with other clubs. I’ve never subscribed to that theory that it’s me and you. It’s a nonsense.”

Hodgson, 62, wants to get back to the Liverpool tradition created by Bill Shankly in the 1960s – and continued by Bob Paisley, Joe Fagan and Kenny Dalglish in the 70s and 80s.

He said: “All the things I’ve always liked are the things Liverpool were famous for in their heyday.

“Pass and move, always move it quickly and once you lose it get back in to position.

“That was the mantra which took Liverpool through their great years.

“I like a high-tempo passing game. I like players to work hard, I like players to get back in position. Those are my priniciples. I was influenced by the Liverpool team which dominated the 70s with all its great players and ­playing the football they played.

“Also the Arsenal team of 1970-71 with Don Howe, who I thought was an exceptional coach, and the Chelsea team around about the same era of Dave Sexton.

“All those teams, for me, played football the way I was hoping to coach a football team to play.

“And they’re also teams who had great success in playing that way and had managers and coaches who I as a young coach thought I could learn from.”

Hodgson signalled there would be a change in direction from Benitez’s fondness for buying Spanish players – and vowed Liverpool would be going for more home-grown talent. He said: “We have to fall back on English players with the way UEFA and Premier League rules are going.

“We’ve got to get more homegrown players because otherwise we’re going to struggle to get our squad numbers together.

“Kenny Dalglish (the youth academy ambassador) can play a very important role in this.”

Read more: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/clubs/premier-league/New-Liverpool-boss-Roy-Hodgson-hopes-that-his-mate-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-will-forgive-him-for-taking-up-rival-position-article512743.html#ixzz0she6of6W
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those people were scared off by the distress chatter and the organised internet terrorism campaign that was directed against people involved.

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« Reply #1989 on: July 4, 2010, 10:14:15 am »
Who the fuck do people think Fergie is? Why are managers terrified of him? Listen Roy  Fergie, Fat Sam and Moyes all your pals are our enemys they are no longer your friends so its time you come to realise this.
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« Reply #1990 on: July 4, 2010, 10:18:20 am »
Who the fuck do people think Mr Alex Ferguson is? Why are managers terrified of him? Listen Roy  Mr Alex Ferguson, Fat Sam and Moyes all your pals are our enemys they are no longer your friends so its time you come to realise this.

That was my take on it.

What worries me though is this blatently shit stirring by the mirror again. They will not be happy until we go out of business.

Your Divide and conquer thread springs to mind.

And Roy should know better.
those people were scared off by the distress chatter and the organised internet terrorism campaign that was directed against people involved.

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« Reply #1991 on: July 4, 2010, 10:20:09 am »
Fanning has wrote some good articles over the last few months which have impressed me, but on this I'm ambivalent also. You make some fair points in that post mate.

You are right, Fanning has written some good articles in the past, I apologize. I just felt that this was written in the time it takes to drink a hot mug of coffee whilst cutting and pasting some of the best from RAWK- which it probably was. Of course it makes some fair points, but the rushed, ill thought out bits irritated me.Spleen now vented.
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« Reply #1992 on: July 4, 2010, 10:22:25 am »
That was my take on it.

What worries me though is this blatently shit stirring by the mirror again. They will not be happy until we go out of business.

Your Divide and conquer thread springs to mind.

And Roy should know better.

Oh he was probably misquoted or hasnt said anything of the sort, me mum said yesterday that the Mail had headlines of Roy insults Man United or some shit like that, the media have it in for us and are shit stirring already, I was wondering how long it would take once he became our manager for them to take an instant dislike to him. They just cant help it where our club is concerned.
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« Reply #1993 on: July 4, 2010, 10:24:31 am »
First chance they get they will be all over him like flies on shit.

those people were scared off by the distress chatter and the organised internet terrorism campaign that was directed against people involved.

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« Reply #1994 on: July 4, 2010, 10:26:13 am »
Who the fuck do people think Mr Alex Ferguson is? Why are managers terrified of him? Listen Roy  Mr Alex Ferguson, Fat Sam and Moyes all your pals are our enemys they are no longer your friends so its time you come to realise this.
I agree with you 100% Lyndsey. A truly bizarre article, which may be an outrageous cut and paste job of quotes out of context, but does not read well. I want to read stuff like "It doesnt matter how little money we have, or how few players we have, I am going to do my damnest to not only compete with the likes of Man U, but to beat them".
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« Reply #1995 on: July 4, 2010, 10:28:07 am »
That was an excellent article from the  Independent, cuts through the media  crap of the last week and shows exactly what our position is at the moment.

Excellent article and spot on. Nobody doubts Roy is a nice man but he's a company man.

He's not here to steady the ship. His only brief will be to not rock the boat.
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« Reply #1996 on: July 4, 2010, 10:29:23 am »
Keep your friend close but keep your enemy closer comes to mind.

Maybe Roy is trying the auld pincer movement on him.

Butting heads with him has not done us much good for the last 20 years now has it?
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« Reply #1997 on: July 4, 2010, 10:32:18 am »
I like Hodgson's thoughts on how he wants us to play - not overly bothered about his relationship with SAF to be honest. They have clearly been friends for years and for any of us to expect him to cut that because he is here is being a little silly. Anyone thinking it may prevent him from wanting to do his best against United would be disrepecting Hodgson's professionalism as well and that has seldom been called into question. After all Sir Matt Busby and Bill Shankly were the best of mates even when they were the greatest of rivals.

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« Reply #1998 on: July 4, 2010, 10:36:59 am »
Who the fuck do people think Mr Alex Ferguson is? Why are managers terrified of him? Listen Roy  Mr Alex Ferguson, Fat Sam and Moyes all your pals are our enemys they are no longer your friends so its time you come to realise this.
I wouldn't worry about it, Roy is just a gentleman, inoffensive and its all a bit tongue in cheek. Lets just hope we can play those c*nts off the park and Roy's grin is so wide he spills his wine down his new Liverpool tie.

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« Reply #1999 on: July 4, 2010, 10:38:59 am »
Keep your friend close but keep your enemy closer comes to mind.

Maybe Roy is trying the auld pincer movement on him.

Butting heads with him has not done us much good for the last 20 years now has it?


Fuck that. its Fergie the c*nt we're talking about. Being an LFC Manager, I'm sorry you dont keep any friendships with Utd's manager, specially not this twat :butt. Nd Roy is wrong there. the team vs team debate is b.s. I mean isnt the manager part of the team. I'm sorry but I dont like this one bit.