Topic: Putting on weight/muscle

[Grobbelrevell]

Everytime I click that link my computer crashes? Thanks anyway though

Here it is mate:


10 Nutrition Rules For Beginners: Never Ignore The Importance Diet Plays In Achieving A Great Physique

Bodybuilding is all about simplifying things.

With the dedication and effort required to stay muscular and lean, the last thing you need is for the details to be overly confusing. Take your diet, for example. We could go on and on about fat-soluble vs. water-soluble vitamins, the different types of saccharides and all the intricacies of gluconeogenesis, but what would be the point? It would just complicate the matter and get you no closer to the body you want. So let’s break it down to the nuts and bolts, to just the vital information you really need to build more muscle and become leaner than ever before.

    The key is a series of rules, a list we call the 10 Nutrition Rules for Beginners. Follow all 10 and not only will you not be bogged down with scientific jargon but you’ll also be well on your way to a bigger upper body, better abs and a massive set of wheels. How’s that for simple?

#1 Have A Meal Every 3 Hours

Mass-building boils down to nutrient delivery, and nothing beats eating every 2-3 hours, which works out to 6-8 meals a day. Frequent feedings ensure a constant influx of protein, carbohydrates and essential fatty acids required to maintain an anabolic state. Following the three-hour rule, you should eat at least the same amount and up to twice as many carbohydrates as protein at most meals, along with a smaller amount of healthy fats at most meals (more on specific macronutrient intake in later rules). Because you’re eating every three hours, don’t overstuff yourself; keeping each meal relatively small enhances nutrient absorption while simultaneously allowing you to sidestep gains in bodyfat.

    “Eating smaller, more frequent meals creates an environment inside the body in which blood sugar levels don’t elevate and drop as drastically as when you eat fewer larger meals,” says Justin Harris, NPC amateur bodybuilder and nutrition consultant (troponinnutrition.com). “Elevated blood sugar levels cause the body to increase insulin production in an attempt to store that sugar for later.

When insulin is present, fat-burning is blunted. Lowered insulin levels and steady blood amino acid levels (a product of eating relatively small, frequent meals throughout the day) help fight against this situation.”
#2 Load Up On Protein

A meal should never go by without a sufficient amount of protein being consumed. To maximize muscle-building, you’ll need to consume at least 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight per day. (This means 200 grams of protein daily for a 200-pound person.) In order to provide your muscles with a continuous influx of amino acids the building blocks of protein throughout the day, you’ll divide your daily protein by the number of meals you consume. For example, if you eat six meals per day, 200 grams of protein divided by six meals would mean at least 30-40 grams of protein per meal.

    Your main protein sources should be lean animal sources, such as chicken, beef, turkey, fish, eggs and dairy (more on red meat and fish in later rules), and, as with your training regimen, variety is crucial.

Sticking to the same one or two protein sources each day may not be as effective as mixing it up and including the widest array of protein sources available. “There’s a phenomenon in the body called the all or nothing principle, in which all amino acids must be available for proper utilization of digested protein,” Harris says. “Many proteins can be made by the body; those that cannot are called essential amino acids and must be derived from nutritional sources. You’ll need to mix various sources of protein to ensure that all essential amino acids are consumed.”
#3 Hydrate Yourself

The importance of drinking plenty of liquids goes beyond the obvious benefits of staying hydrated; at a much deeper level, it’s all about pushing more water into muscle cells. The more water that’s inside muscles, the better they’ll function and the greater their strength and size capacity. “The consensus in the bodybuilding community is that high water storage within muscles helps act as an anabolic factor,” says Chris Aceto, nutrition consultant to Mr. Olympia Jay Cutler and author of Championship Bodybuilding and Everything You Need to Know About Fat Loss (available at nutramedia.com). “This allows the muscles to maintain a positive nitrogen balance, which directly impacts muscle growth.”

    And if you’re supplementing creatine, glutamine and BCAAs, your muscles will have a greater capacity to store water, because when muscle cells are stocked with these nutrients, more water is actually drawn into the muscles. Consume at least 1 gallon of water every day, and drink around 8 ounces of water every 15-20 minutes during training.

#4 Carb Up The Right Way

When it comes to carbs, too few can shortchange your gains in mass and too many can transform you into a bulked-up softie. A good rule of thumb is to consume 2-3 grams of carbohydrates per pound of body-weight per day when trying to add mass. And as with protein, you’ll want to divide this between however many meals you eat daily, with the exception of two times during the day: breakfast and your postworkout meal.

    “These are two times when the body is somewhat inefficient at manufacturing bodyfat from carbohydrates, so feel free to bump up your carb intake at these times of day,” Aceto says.

“Breakfast and the postworkout meal are also vital in aiding muscle growth because the higher carb content boosts one of the anabolic hormones responsible for driving nutrients into muscles, thereby producing a favorable hormonal environment that kick-starts recovery.” At most meals (pre- and postworkout notwithstanding, as you’ll learn in rule No. 7), you should consume slow-digesting carbs such as wholegrain breads and pastas, oatmeal, sweet potatoes, fruits and vegetables, rather than fast-digesting sources such as white breads and sweets. The former help build muscle and provide sustained energy.
#5 Eat Red Meat

Steaks and beef patties often scare people off because of the high fat content found in many cuts. But when you’re looking to build muscle, shunning red meat is the last thing you want to do: It’s high in B vitamins, including [B.sub.12], which supports muscular endurance and growth, and yields, gram for gram, more iron, creatine and zinc than any other source of protein. These nutrients play important roles in muscle recovery and growth, so if you’re sticking with chicken, turkey and protein powder, you’ll likely fall short of your hypertrophy goals. “Red meat is a great slow-digesting source of protein that can aid in nitrogen retention and sustained elevation of amino acids in the blood,” says Alan Aragon, MS, CSCS, a private-practice nutrition counselor in Thousand Oaks, California (alanaragon.com). “Red meat can be used for all seasons, not just mass phases.”

    When choosing an appropriate type of red meat, select primarily leaner cuts such as ground round and sirloin, looking for meat that’s at least 93% lean.

#6 Eat Fish

A lot of bodybuilders seem to live on fowl and low-fat beef, but salmon, trout, bluefish and tuna offer advantages other sources of protein can’t namely, they’re sources of omega-3 fatty acids, which can indirectly make you leaner and bigger. Omega-3s help the body make glycogen, the storage form of carbohydrates that gets socked away in muscle tissue. Glycogen is the main source of energy for training and, generally speaking, adequate levels are a marker for muscle growth and repair. Omega-3s also fight muscle inflammation in the body and spare the loss of glutamine, a vital amino acid that plays a backup role in the muscle recovery process by boosting the immune system. You don’t have to go overboard, but including fish in your diet a few days a week will go a long way toward promoting lean muscle gains. All in all, don’t be afraid of fat 20%-30% of your daily calories should consist of healthy dietary fat.

    “Fish is an excellent source of protein, with an amino acid profile very beneficial to enhancing muscle growth,” Harris says. “Omega-3s can increase the insulin sensitivity of the tissues, creating an environment in which less insulin is necessary to shuttle nutrients around the body, which benefits you getting leaner.”

#7 Protect Muscle Mass With Pre- And Post-Workout Meals

The catch-22 with training is that stress hormones, namely cortisol, can run amok and blunt muscle-building to the point that getting back on track is not as simple as following the basic rules. The solution? Eating and supplementing with the right foods in the pre- and post-training meals. This is where whey protein is essential it gets into the blood faster than any other source of protein, providing amino acids that muscles harness for growth and interfere with cortisol uptake. A slower-absorbing protein such as casein takes longer to combat cortisol levels.

    Throw in some fast-acting carbs those that digest quickly such as Gatorade, fat-free Pop-Tarts, cream of rice cereal mixed with jam or a toasted bagel and you benefit further. These carbs, when combined with whey protein, are extremely effective at almost immediately halting muscle breakdown. According to Aragon, “sandwiching” your workout with protein and carbs causes greater protein synthesis and inhibits muscle protein breakdown.

Consume at least 20 grams of whey protein before and 40 grams after training, a slow-digesting carbohydrate (refer to rule No. 4 for the best sources) 30 minutes before training and a fast-digesting carb Immediately afterward, along with your whey.

    As for dietary fat, pre- and postworkout are the two times of day when you want to forgo eating foods high in fat. They’ll slow the absorption of protein and carbs, which will delay the muscle recovery process.

#8 Schedule A “GET BIG” Day

While eating a sound diet by implementing the steps above is the foundation for growth, taking one out of every 7-10 days and eating far above and beyond your typical dally food intake increasing protein, carbohydrate and overall calorie intake can trigger new muscle growth by driving up your body’s levels of growth hormones. Some people call this a “cheat day.” When you occasionally overeat, the body responds by increasing the release of naturally occurring growth agents, such as growth hormone, insulinlike growth factor-1, thyroid hormone and possibly testosterone. Since even a small boost in one or all of these can impact recovery and muscle growth, it makes sense to harness them, and temporarily eating “really big” can do just that.

    “Eating relatively clean all the time can lead to boredom and compromised adherence to a bodybuilding diet,” Aragon says. “Periodic spikes in calorie consumption are a great way to achieve a net caloric surplus that can speed muscular growth and strength. To avoid large gains in bodyfat, make sure ‘once every 7-10 days’ doesn’t turn into cheating on most days.”

#9 Supplement The Big Three

As you become more advanced in your training and nutrition knowledge, try a variety of supplements to help improve strength, size, energy, fat loss and overall health. But for now, just stick to the basics: creatine, glutamine and branched-chain amino acids (BCAAs), three of the most effective and affordable supplements on the market. Creatine has been shown in numerous studies to boost muscle power, strength and size; glutamine is a key amino acid in preventing muscle breakdown and boosting the immune system; and BCAAs also thwart muscle wasting and delay the onset of fatigue during training.

    Take these dosages both before and after working out: 3-5 grams of creatine, 5-10 grams of glutamine and 5-10 grams of BCAAs. Adding these supps to a diet full of protein and complex carbs will ensure that you reap all the benefits from your training.

#10 Don’t Fear Late Night Feeding

In the 7-9 hours you sleep every night, your body is more or less in a fasting state, taking aminos from your muscles to fuel your brain in the absence of food not an ideal situation if your goal is to pack on muscle. However, you can offset this by eating right before you turn in for the night. The key is eating a slow-digesting protein source along with a moderate amount of fat so amino acids feed your muscles gradually throughout the night. At bedtime, consume approximately 30 grams of casein protein or 1 cup of low-fat cottage cheese along with 1-2 tablespoons of peanut butter, an ounce of walnuts or mixed nuts, or 2-3 tablespoons of flaxseed oil. Casein is a slow-digesting protein (as is cottage cheese) that comes in powder form, and the healthy fats found in peanut butter, nuts and flaxseed (almost exclusively unsaturated, by the way) will help slow the absorption of protein even further.

    Aceto also recommends consuming protein, and even carbs, in the middle of the night if you happen to get up to use the bathroom. “That’s the perfect time to have a shake,” he says. “If gaining bodyfat is no issue, have 50 grams of protein mixed with 50 grams of liquid carbs such as a meal replacement shake that contains both protein and carbs, or mix the protein in fruit juice. If you’re struggling to control bodyfat, though, skip the carbs. This round-the-clock nutrient delivery will keep the body in an anabolic state.”

[mikeinsheffield88]

Thanks a lot for that mate, interesting read. I'll try to adapt my diet more to suit these pointers.

I had heard quite a few of the things before but I didn't know you should drink quite that much water and also I was unsure about whether or not you can eat so late, really useful stuff

[And Could He Play]

Thing is, except for recent weeks all i do is eat, like today i have munched the entire day away, but i never put on weight. any tips?

[FernandoSusoLFC]

Thing is, except for recent weeks all i do is eat, like today i have munched the entire day away, but i never put on weight. any tips?

depends what your eating, if your eating crisps and chocolate you won't see a diffference.

Make up short easy meals like the following:

- Can of tuna with some rice
- Pasta with chicken and corn

thats just what i eat from time to time, you want to eat short meals high in protein and high in carbs if your looking to add weight. The protein will help re-build muscles and carbs will replenish your bodies energy levels.

[Grobbelrevell]

Thing is, except for recent weeks all i do is eat, like today i have munched the entire day away, but i never put on weight. any tips?

The other thing is, how much in the way of cardio are you doing? How active are you? The post above about the kinds of food is relevent, but also if your not gaining any weight then your probably not eating enough full stop. Try upping your portion sizes if possible. If not, maybe you could consider a meal replacement shake, which will be easier to consume if you dont feel you can eat any more, and it will give you the additional nutrients and calories you need.

2 cans of mackerel in tomato sauce mixed in with some (microwavable) brown rice is a quick meal if you dont have much time as well.

[fivein05]

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[And Could He Play]

cheers for the replies.

[danthemanlfc]

Alright everyone  ,
Looks like there's a few guys on here who know what they're talking about so if anyone could cast an eye over this routine I did for myself I'd be most grateful!

Chest
Bench press
Incline Dumbbell Fly
Machine Chest Press
Decline close-grip bench
Dumbbell pull-over
Incline dumbbell press
Cable crossover
Pushups

Back
Chinups
Seated low row
Seated row
Cable straight arm pulldown
T-Bar bent over row
One-arm row
Barbell bent-over row
Back raise

Shoulders
Bar military press
Rear lateral raise
Front plate raise
Bar upright row
Machine shoulder press
Machine rear raise
Barbell front raise
Dumbbell lateral raise

Arms
Dumbbell curl
Lying triceps extension
Hammer curl
Dips
Seated preacher curl
Cable triceps pushdown
Dumbbell reverse curl
Triceps kickback

Legs
Barbell squat
Dead lift
Power clean
Barbell lunge
Machine leg press
Leg curl
Leg extension
Calf raises

Sorry for the length of the post!  I go about 3x a week and at mo I'm ~200lbs/95kg at 6 foot 0. I try and do 3 sets of 10reps, moving the weight up once I get to 3x10

Not sure if I'm seeing the gains I'd like to be honest, especially when I see that I'm lifting heavier than a lot of other people at the gym who are much bigger than me.
I realise half of these are prob on steds! I'm just using creatine and whey at the mo and I think my diets pretty good. My aim is size and power, play footy for my uni and looking to get back into athletics (100m specifically, 10.8s pb, 7 years ago like!)

Anyway enough waffling, I just wanted to see what people made of this routine as I did it myself, mostly out of frustration at crap trainers at the gym
Cheers!

[It's Jimmy Corkhill]

Too many exercises for each body part, and too many reps.

Controversial, but bump the weight up so you only do 6 a set, then go to utter failure you're last set.

And Sust+Deca is the way to go to pile te weight on!

[danthemanlfc]

Too many exercises for each body part, and too many reps.

Controversial, but bump the weight up so you only do 6 a set, then go to utter failure you're last set.

And Sust+Deca is the way to go to pile te weight on!

Cheers for the input, I've read a lot of conflicting evidence re: 6 or 10 reps per set, was doing the former for most of last year, hard to compare the results to be honest.

Sust + deca? Can't say I've heard of them!

You think I should limit it to 6 exercises per routine then?

[Grobbelrevell]

Are you doing all of that in each workout? If you are I'd say your not pushing yourself hard enough. If you were there's no way you could manage that in one session.

First off, if your doing a full body session then thats fine, but Id suggest maybe cutting down the exercises themselves and focussing on maybe two for each area (so 2 biceps, 2 triceps, 2 chest etc). The number of reps could possibly be looked at as well if your training for size. Rather than 3 sets of 10, try going for 5 sets of 5, or 6 sets of 4. If you do that, work with the idea of upping the weight each session - if you can manage 5 reps easily then its too light, up the weight. Similarly, if you can't manage 5 then its too heavy, so reduce the weight. Holding your form is vital, it's no use pushing 5 out at a weight that you can't handle without losing your form.

The other thing that you don't mention though, is your diet. That's just as important (if not more so) than your routine. What's that like? How much do you eat? How often? If your not gaining and your routine is decent it will more than likely be because your not eating enough to do so. Loads of protein. Loads of (complex) carbs. Good fats (fish, nuts). Fruit. Veg. Overall, a good balanced diet.

Oh, and don't worry about other people at the gym. They may be 'assisted', or they may just have been training for a lot longer than you. It takes a long time to gain lean mass. Patience is probably the fourth key ingredient (behind routine, diet and rest).

[It's Jimmy Corkhill]

Are you doing all of that in each workout? If you are I'd say your not pushing yourself hard enough. If you were there's no way you could manage that in one session.

First off, if your doing a full body session then thats fine, but Id suggest maybe cutting down the exercises themselves and focussing on maybe two for each area (so 2 biceps, 2 triceps, 2 chest etc). The number of reps could possibly be looked at as well if your training for size. Rather than 3 sets of 10, try going for 5 sets of 5, or 6 sets of 4. If you do that, work with the idea of upping the weight each session - if you can manage 5 reps easily then its too light, up the weight. Similarly, if you can't manage 5 then its too heavy, so reduce the weight. Holding your form is vital, it's no use pushing 5 out at a weight that you can't handle without losing your form.

The other thing that you don't mention though, is your diet. That's just as important (if not more so) than your routine. What's that like? How much do you eat? How often? If your not gaining and your routine is decent it will more than likely be because your not eating enough to do so. Loads of protein. Loads of (complex) carbs. Good fats (fish, nuts). Fruit. Veg. Overall, a good balanced diet.

Oh, and don't worry about other people at the gym. They may be 'assisted', or they may just have been training for a lot longer than you. It takes a long time to gain lean mass. Patience is probably the fourth key ingredient (behind routine, diet and rest).

Deffo a 5-day split that, or he'd be training for about 5 hours

[ThepepeReina]

Too many exercises for each body part, and too many reps.

Controversial, but bump the weight up so you only do 6 a set, then go to utter failure you're last set.

And Sust+Deca is the way to go to pile te weight on!

If he wants muscle hypertrophy he should do 10 reps a set. and take around 4 seconds a rep. And if your getting stronger but not getting bigger eat more. seriously.

[IanMac]

I have had a few knee issues in the last year and put a bit of tank on due to the inactivity. I am now back at the gym and on a general fat loss and upper body strength programme. This has been put in place by my physio before my next major procedure where crutches will be needed for 4 months. Obviously to lose the fat bit I need to be stringent with the calorie intake etc but am struggling to make a difference with my upper body. I think it must be due to my diet and a lack of protein etc due to eating less to lose the fat. My muscle recovery time is also horrendous. Any advice on any supplements etc i can consider so my weight loss isn't compromised while i get decent results in the strength department? Cheers.

[RedmeisterOZ]

Turn 40

[ThepepeReina]

I have had a few knee issues in the last year and put a bit of tank on due to the inactivity. I am now back at the gym and on a general fat loss and upper body strength programme. This has been put in place by my physio before my next major procedure where crutches will be needed for 4 months. Obviously to lose the fat bit I need to be stringent with the calorie intake etc but am struggling to make a difference with my upper body. I think it must be due to my diet and a lack of protein etc due to eating less to lose the fat. My muscle recovery time is also horrendous. Any advice on any supplements etc i can consider so my weight loss isn't compromised while i get decent results in the strength department? Cheers.

Sorry to break it but its near impossible to add strength while eating below maitenance. you can stay at the same strength, but your body hasnt got the nutrients to build itself up  bigger and badder than before cause your purposely starving yourself of them.

Your body uses the calories it gets for important things, like brain function, food digestion, takes care of the main stuff and what evers left it uses to build up muscles. Thats why most people advise eating more when trying to build up, but then obvs if you are trying to cut recovery can take longer than usual, and can leave you feeling run down, especially on a low carb diet.

And people buy supplements because they are easy and people think a quick fix, dont, instead go to asda and buy 3 frozen chickens and a pack of 30 eggs. Much more nutritional value than a 15 quid protein shake.

[IanMac]

Sorry to break it but its near impossible to add strength while eating below maitenance. you can stay at the same strength, but your body hasnt got the nutrients to build itself up  bigger and badder than before cause your purposely starving yourself of them.

Your body uses the calories it gets for important things, like brain function, food digestion, takes care of the main stuff and what evers left it uses to build up muscles. Thats why most people advise eating more when trying to build up.

Cheers for that. Not sure which way to tackle it now. I need to lose the fat as i will only pile more on when inactive again but need strength too as crutches are going to be seriously hard work!
Back to the drawing board i think.
The protein shakes etc are pure convenience when you work 12 hr days. Can't cook a chicken in work!

[Sim6]

Cheers for the input, I've read a lot of conflicting evidence re: 6 or 10 reps per set, was doing the former for most of last year, hard to compare the results to be honest.

Sust + deca? Can't say I've heard of them!

You think I should limit it to 6 exercises per routine then?

I agree, far too much volume. Try to stick to 2 - 4 exercises per body part and for rep wise its usually 1-3 reps for mass gains, 3-6 rpes for strength gains and anything over 10 is for muscular endurance.

[Marty 85]

And Sust+Deca is the way to go to pile te weight on!

What, no TREN?

[FernandoSusoLFC]

What, no TREN?

Tren? Clen... steroids...nooo!

[And Could He Play]

put half a stone on me in the last week. thats a lot. want to get back to 13 stone, or just over. im 12 1/2 now.

[johnybarnes]

I agree, far too much volume. Try to stick to 2 - 4 exercises per body part and for rep wise its usually 1-3 reps for mass gains, 3-6 rpes for strength gains and anything over 10 is for muscular endurance.

Other way round, low reps for strength and 6-10 good reps for muscle hypertrophy.

And by good reps, I mean controlled negatives and general good form.

[ThepepeReina]

Cheers for that. Not sure which way to tackle it now. I need to lose the fat as i will only pile more on when inactive again but need strength too as crutches are going to be seriously hard work!
Back to the drawing board i think.
The protein shakes etc are pure convenience when you work 12 hr days. Can't cook a chicken in work!

lose the fat while you can. Its relatively easier geting stronger than getting slimmer.

[mickdundee]

Mix up your training

Strength 4-6 weeks

Train heavy, 6-8 reps

Now for the pain

4-6 weeks

every set you do, make sure you get 15 reps, doing squats you should be on the verge of throwing up.


4-6 weeks or negatives

controlled reps of 8-10, 3 -4 seconds down and explosive up.

It's about shocking your body constantly, never let your muscles get use to a particular routine. But you have got to eat right too. and most of all say your prayers and eat your vitamins!! oh wait that was Hulk Hogan.

[danthemanlfc]

Are you doing all of that in each workout? If you are I'd say your not pushing yourself hard enough. If you were there's no way you could manage that in one session.

First off, if your doing a full body session then thats fine, but Id suggest maybe cutting down the exercises themselves and focussing on maybe two for each area (so 2 biceps, 2 triceps, 2 chest etc). The number of reps could possibly be looked at as well if your training for size. Rather than 3 sets of 10, try going for 5 sets of 5, or 6 sets of 4. If you do that, work with the idea of upping the weight each session - if you can manage 5 reps easily then its too light, up the weight. Similarly, if you can't manage 5 then its too heavy, so reduce the weight. Holding your form is vital, it's no use pushing 5 out at a weight that you can't handle without losing your form.

The other thing that you don't mention though, is your diet. That's just as important (if not more so) than your routine. What's that like? How much do you eat? How often? If your not gaining and your routine is decent it will more than likely be because your not eating enough to do so. Loads of protein. Loads of (complex) carbs. Good fats (fish, nuts). Fruit. Veg. Overall, a good balanced diet.

Oh, and don't worry about other people at the gym. They may be 'assisted', or they may just have been training for a lot longer than you. It takes a long time to gain lean mass. Patience is probably the fourth key ingredient (behind routine, diet and rest).

Nah I'm doing chest one day then back the next and so forth, 8 exercises per muscle group per routine. So in a 2 week period I'll do chest then back two days later then shoulders, then arms then legs then back to the chest routine.

I think my diet is pretty ok, getting more than enough protein in and eating at regular intervals as much as possible

[mikeinsheffield88]

Tren? Clen... steroids...nooo!

Are you talking about Tren-Bomb? This stuff; http://www.cardiffsportsnutrition.co.uk/products/Pharma-Labs-Tren-Bomb-60-capsules.html

That isn't a steroid is it?

[FernandoSusoLFC]

^

Yeah im pretty sure thats a steriod with skimming it, if you have to do a PCT then yeah.

[mikeinsheffield88]

^

Yeah im pretty sure thats a steriod with skimming it, if you have to do a PCT then yeah.

In that case, why isn't it illegal to sell?

[mikeinsheffield88]

By the way I would just like to state that I am in no way an expert on this or drug/ steroids/ law in general but I presumed that steroids were Class C (http://www.talktofrank.com/drugs.aspx?id=170).

If tren-bomb is a steroid how can a sports nutrition store sell it so openly?

[Marty 85]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trenbolone

By the way I would just like to state that I am in no way an expert on this or drug/ steroids/ law in general but I presumed that steroids were Class C (http://www.talktofrank.com/drugs.aspx?id=170).

If tren-bomb is a steroid how can a sports nutrition store sell it so openly?

They are not illegal to possess for personal use. I don't know what class that makes them.

I wouldn't encourage using gear. Those sites are most definately fake/scams. Tren is one of the strongest roids out. It was initially designed for cattle, to bulk them and put on meat. It was never intended for human use untill underground labs started creating pellets to inject. Check it out here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trenbolone

For example; if testosterone has an anabolic rating of 100 and androgenic rating of 100, Tren has a rating of 500 & 500. That's an idea of how strong it is.

[mikeinsheffield88]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trenbolone

They are not illegal to possess for personal use. I don't know what class that makes them.

I wouldn't encourage using gear. Those sites are most definately fake/scams. Tren is one of the strongest roids out. It was initially designed for cattle, to bulk them and put on meat. It was never intended for human use untill underground labs started creating pellets to inject. Check it out here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trenbolone

For example; if testosterone has an anabolic rating of 100 and androgenic rating of 100, Tren has a rating of 500 & 500. That's an idea of how strong it is.

Thanks for the reply, interesting and pretty scary stuff.

I certainly have no plans to use any steroid I was just interested as I have been looking into using supplements such as creatine, glutamine, CLA, etc and so was doing some internet research and came across tren bomb. Its a real shop in Cardiff and is (possibly, not 100% sure) part of a group of sports shops all on the same street all owned by the same company (each shop specialises in one sport and there is about 5 of them on the same road) this is its off-shoot website. I thought as it was so openly for sale it must be legal.

I cannot understand how a shop/ site can get away with selling something like this in the UK? Either it isn't trenbolone (it does say tren-bomb not trenbolone but that surely suggests that trenbolone is present, no?) or it is a form of trenbolone and thats the same as just selling any class C drug over the internet, ketamine for example?

According to these government sources trenbolone is class C http://www.dhsspsni.gov.uk/pas-class-c.pdf which as most know carries in the UK a sentence if caught selling of upto 14 years and/ or an unlimited fine, and for possession up to 2 years in prison and/or unlimited fine http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/YoungPeople/CrimeAndJustice/TypesOfCrime/DG_10027693

It is quite difficult when researching these supplements as the majority of the time an unbiased source is impossible to find. Your normally looking at a website trying to sell you said supplement which is obvisouly going to provide you with selective information.

[mikeinsheffield88]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trenbolone

They are not illegal to possess for personal use. I don't know what class that makes them.

Are you talking about tren-bomb capsules? Have you got a source for that?

That suggests that tren-bomb is not trenbolone (as trenbolone is class C) ^^^

[Marty 85]

I was referring to steroids in general. However, these things change so often and Tren could possibly be in a class on it's own because it is so strong.

Just performed a quick search and came up with this:

All the steroids we use ( BUT NOT VETINERARY ) + Growth Hormone is legal to possess and import for personal use.

Steroids are now Class 'C' under the Misuse Of Drugs Act. but they also come under the Misuse of Drugs Regulations 2001. Schedule 4 part 2 this make them exempt so you can possess for your own personal use.

http://www.talktofrank.com/drugs.aspx?id=170

Tren comes under the "VETINERARY" so it's not surprising that it comes under a different class of legality.

Are you talking about tren-bomb capsules? Have you got a source for that?

That suggests that tren-bomb is not trenbolone (as trenbolone is class C) ^^^

Tren comes in pellet form (known as finaplex) or in oil form (known as Trenbolone acetate or enanthate). It doesn't come in tablet form. Those "supplements" you get from those websites are fake and are very likely to contain little to no anabolic steroids what-so-ever. Therefore they don't have to worry about the legalities. Some other websites will disguise themselves as chemists to get your money aswell.

[And Could He Play]

all i have been doing is eating lately and still cant put on weight, how do i put on wieght in me legs and arms as well, food just goes to your stomach.

[mikeinsheffield88]

I was referring to steroids in general. However, these things change so often and Tren could possibly be in a class on it's own because it is so strong.

Just performed a quick search and came up with this:


http://www.talktofrank.com/drugs.aspx?id=170

Tren comes under the "VETINERARY" so it's not surprising that it comes under a different class of legality.

Tren comes in pellet form (known as finaplex) or in oil form (known as Trenbolone acetate or enanthate). It doesn't come in tablet form. Those "supplements" you get from those websites are fake and are very likely to contain little to no anabolic steroids what-so-ever. Therefore they don't have to worry about the legalities. Some other websites will disguise themselves as chemists to get your money aswell.

Sorry I am a bit confused?!

Are you saying that tren-bomb is a fake steroid or are you saying that tren-bomb is classed as vetinary and so thats how they sell it?

[ThepepeReina]

frigin hell this has gone on for a few posts, it may or may not be a steroid, who cares, workout 3 times a week, have a good diet and fuck ur steroids 

[mikeinsheffield88]

frigin hell this has gone on for a few posts, it may or may not be a steroid, who cares, workout 3 times a week, have a good diet and fuck ur steroids 

Haha, yes mate as I said earlier I have absoloutely no intention of using steroids I just cannot understand how someone can get away with selling something like this so openly?!

[Marty 85]

Sorry I am a bit confused?!

Are you saying that tren-bomb is a fake steroid or are you saying that tren-bomb is classed as vetinary and so thats how they sell it?

There's no such steroid that i'm aware of called tren-bomb. That site and many others offering similar produ cts are all fake. There is however an oral steroid called an A-bomb. Won't do your liver any good though as it's 17-AA. By that i mean it has added chemicals to ensure it can pass through your liver and be absorbed. Although, the stress that puts on your liver is the equivalent to drinking a couple of bottle of vodkas a day. It's that harsh.

The PepeReina hit the nail on the head, im just a member of a bodybuilding site and happen to know abit about them.

[ThepepeReina]

Haha, yes mate as I said earlier I have absoloutely no intention of using steroids I just cannot understand how someone can get away with selling something like this so openly?!

There might be something dodgy in them. for example sports people have taken medecines, only to fail drugs tests as there is banned substances in them.

[Kopite B205]

all i have been doing is eating lately and still cant put on weight, how do i put on wieght in me legs and arms as well, food just goes to your stomach.

Eat approx 6-8 meals a day and combine this with a weight training program. Base your diet around complex carb intake and ensure that half of your calorie intake is from proteins and that you consume a gram of protein proportional to each pound of bodyweight (i.e if your 180lb eat 180 grams of protein) Your also best advised to invest in some supps like a good meal replacement shake and a whey AND casein shake. Also, anytime you eat a carbohydrate, include a lean protein source as well; this will help steady blood sugar levels and corresponding insulin release. Want big Arms? pay attention to both the bicep and tricep (the tri is 2/3 of your arm) try skullcrushers, pushdowns and close grip benchpress - for bicep try barbell and dumbbell curls. Big Legs - squats rule!