Topic: BOYCOTT of SEASON TICKET RENEWAL

[Timbo's Goals]

Fuck it

Not sure if I've lost all perspective here reading through the asset stripping threads and sensing us all plumetting into a despairing pit of impotence.

Thing is if this is a non-starter then so be it. But put it this way if there is any chance of it being co-ordinated - and I realise now that there's next to no time - then myself and some fellow seasies are well prepared to put ours on the line in the face of what is going on.

Could all the various website owners and SOS co-ordinate such a thing?

Fuck it, Im asking the question. Hopefully the sincerity behind what's prompted it might give the notion some legs.

Because I see it now it's only by something so directly impacting on Hicks trouser pocket that we can give it to the man up the arse.

[rednile]

Im not renewing , not putting anymore money into the club . They can go fuck themselfs .

[J18]

Bit of perspective for the beauts that can't even jib the offical shirt.

[hoonin]

As ever Tim, we'll do anything we can to support coordinated efforts like this.

The biggest hurdle to overcome is that the queue of willing takers for available ST's is probably longer than those willing to give it up, resulting in no financial impact.

Really tough proposition but worth discussing how to make it feasible.

[Timbo's Goals]

Im not renewing , not putting anymore money into the club . They can go fuck themselfs .

That's exactly how myself and a few others are feeling Rednile. It's my life and has been for so many years . But the principles at stake here are so huge.

The problem with individual unco-ordinated action is that there'll always be someone to take up your ticket. But if it could just be co-ordinated - somehow - then there just might be an impact that would carry real weight. I don't know but my despair at seeing our club bleeding to death is too much.

[Soap]

I hear it's going up by £100 this year...

[liverpool_21]

how about posters outside anfield or where ST's are available that discourage fans to purchase ( financial resistance would be the only way to chase the C***ts out ) ...
I know this might sound stupid but something's better than nothing...

[kopiteinexileinburnley]

As someone on the ST waiting list - the idea of getting one because someone else makes a principled stand is one I couldn't live with. Trouble is I fear there are enough who will put self before the collective good - this really needs to be organised

[Billy1561]

Haven't had a season ticket for years but from this season i will be avoiding the scramble for odd games here and there and totally blanking cub merchandise. Don't mind a dodgy shirt from china or wherever but NOT from the club.

[Timbo's Goals]

As ever Tim, we'll do anything we can to support coordinated efforts like this.

The biggest hurdle to overcome is that the queue of willing takers for available ST's is probably longer than those willing to give it up, resulting in no financial impact.

Really tough proposition but worth discussing how to make it feasible.

As I see it time is short. Renewal forms are surely on their way as we speak or soon. Individual declinations are a bit futile in a way because they would amount to little more than inconvenience. But something co-ordinated right across all the websites and with SOS backin - who knows what momentum it would pick up and what publicity it would receive? It would certainly show up the green and yellow scarf shite for what it is - fashion staement no more no less.

I know it's easier for older fans like me to threaten non-renewal but the stakes are now so high I just don't see any other way of really hurting this man. His word means jack shit so him saying he's selling could mean absolutely anything. And Purslow and broughton - does anybody trust them two?

 

[Mavis Cruet]

I'm just wondering if those of you with ST's can do more good inside the ground than outside. I know you don't want to put money in their pockets but your voices can be heard on TV etc inside the ground. Your seat could be taken over by someone who just doesn't give a shit. You obviously do. I don't know, just thinking out loud.

[rednile]

That's exactly how myself and a few others are feeling Rednile. It's my life and has been for so many years . But the principles at stake here are so huge.

The problem with individual unco-ordinated action is that there'll always be someone to take up your ticket. But if it could just be co-ordinated - somehow - then there just might be an impact that would carry real weight. I don't know but my despair at seeing our club bleeding to death is too much.

It is gonig to be really hard to make a impact with a boycott like this because as you said there is so many people willing to take over my ticket . But at least i'll know in myself i never put anymore money in their pockets . For me this has been coming for the last few years , the last couple of weeks has been the last straw .

[AriGold]

I'm all for it mate, but as Gareth said the list waiting to get a season ticket is longer than people willing to give it up. The faster people are giving them up, the faster they're being sold to new people.

[xerxes1]

Thing is if this is a non-starter then so be it.

It's a non-starter.

[OohCampione]

As ever Tim, we'll do anything we can to support coordinated efforts like this.

The biggest hurdle to overcome is that the queue of willing takers for available ST's is probably longer than those willing to give it up, resulting in no financial impact.

Really tough proposition but worth discussing how to make it feasible.

This is all too true. The only thing it would achieve is to water down those knowledgable fans who actually give a shit in the first place - ending up with a crowd no different to all other grounds, providing a nice little haven for those willing to bury their heads and pretend there's not a problem. A horrible conundrum but if I'm honest, I can't see me giving mine up.

[Timbo's Goals]

Really tough proposition but worth discussing how to make it feasible.

Agree with this 100% gareth. I'm not at all confident . It's just I do sense a bit of a hiatus at this point. And between the websites and SOS there's an awful lot of seasies who could be reached. I know there'll be dissenters but I just feel there's a chance something like this could have legs of its own. don't forget too, when you get the renewal forms there is no requirement to renew until late June maybe early July so when I say time is short it's not impossibly short.

[paranoidmike]

I'm a season ticket holder and as it took me 12 years to get it I do not intend to let it go. However, I will not be entering the auto cup scheme.

[Kerant]

I'm just wondering if those of you with ST's can do more good inside the ground than outside. I know you don't want to put money in their pockets but your voices can be heard on TV etc inside the ground. Your seat could be taken over by someone who just doesn't give a shit. You obviously do. I don't know, just thinking out loud.

I agree. The line waiting to take hold of a season ticket will far exceed the number of people willing to give theirs up, so it would result in no financial loss to the club, and also potential fans who don't understand/care about the issues off the pitch.

[buzzing]

The club will get he money because others will take up the ticket. But those that do give theirs up should make some big noises. Tell the whole world they're doing it. Esp make sure the c*nts who own *spit* the club know too (sponsors too)

[Timbo's Goals]

It's a non-starter.

Give us your reasons for saying it Xerxes. I know it's an outside hope but some things can build up a momentum of their own.

[redprodigal]

It's a non-starter.

I'm afraid you're right.

[TheLeftSide]

I have sympathy with the sentiment but I think it's playing into their hands. They would love to sell your tckets to day trippers and corporates. It's better to stay and fight them.

[OohCampione]

I'm a season ticket holder and as it took me 12 years to get it I do not intend to let it go. However, I will not be entering the auto cup scheme.

I think this may be a starting point. Boycotting home cup games seems to be the easiest way of gaining an initial insite into supporters willingness to give up their ticket.

[youll never walk alone it]

think the boycott of a carling cup game would be more doable, but it would have to be blanket of course.

[Timbo's Goals]

I agree. The line waiting to take hold of a season ticket will far exceed the number of people willing to give theirs up, so it would result in no financial loss to the club, and also potential fans who don't understand/care about the issues off the pitch.

yeah but those waiting are not immune to what's been going on. maybe they can see the wider picture?


As I say individual action is just a drop in the ocean but websites and SOS caould give this a head of steam that could lead to something effective.

As regrds the inside the ground thing i think anyone who goes to Anfield on a regular basis will agree with me that such a thing is an absolute non-starter.

[Libertine]

i don't think giving up season tickets is the place to start for matchday boycotts for the reasons stated.

it'll be very difficult to persuade people to do this (even those sympathetic to the cause), when the club could be sold in a year and they've lost their chance to buy one.

any boycott should start with non-ST holders, cup games and maybe a non-attendance for a particular game combined with major protest.

[MOZ]

Been on the waiting list for what must be getting on 15-20 years now but wouldnt take one if it was offered tomorrow. Not stepping foot in the ground or parting with a coin until 'they' are gone.
My family live in Spain and the only ground I will be going to next season is the Camp Nou to watch great football from home grown players at a club owned by the fans.

[hoonin]

It's just I do sense a bit of a hiatus at this point. And between the websites and SOS there's an awful lot of seasies who could be reached.

Agreed.

Too many of us are being needlessly diverted away from directing anger at the owners onto lesser issues (and I include my rant on Thurs at flag burning in that too).

All the sites would benefit from better collaboration and there was some movement on that recently. Needs to be given a bigger push again.

Whatever peoples reservations about individual site culture, I believe quite strongly in the potential of the medium itself (i.e the internet) to deliver a message.

[grahamlfc]

There are 61000 plus people on the official season ticket waiting list.

[cowtownred]

Tell you what, fair play to seasies prepared to not renew on the basis of starving the cancer. Fucking well in you lads/lasses.

Realistically its likely that other less clued in (or more selfish?) people would snap them up.

Now that idea of a boycott of the AutoCup scheme sounds much more workable. That in my view would be an excellent starting position.

[HeWonItFromBrock]

I think a boycott of Cup Games is the way forward - boycott of season tickets punishes the wrong people and puts a further nail in the coffin of the club by swapping out die hard reds from the ground with ones who don't care as much.

Let's boycott Europa League for a start and see what happens - first game is quite early for that as well so itmight have the effect of getting things moving.

[Cochise]

Bit offtopic but how much would the club lose from boycotting the small stuff at games like programmes, pies and ale? Because i think they'll always find people for tickets regardless of who is in charge unfortunatly.

[paranoidmike]

I think a boycott of Cup Games is the way forward - boycott of season tickets punishes the wrong people and puts a further nail in the coffin of the club by swapping out die hard reds from the ground with ones who don't care as much.

Let's boycott Europa League for a start and see what happens - first game is quite early for that as well so itmight have the effect of getting things moving.

The problem we have if we don't appoint a new manager, then King Kenny will be our interim manager. Would we not want to give him our support. I think we're caught between the Devil and the deep blue sea.

[Timbo's Goals]

Initial reaction is sort of what I expected - ie the "it's a non-starter" [in the know] sort of comments.

No problem with that since up until this week [and particualrly overnight] I'd have felt the same.

However, something truly catyclismic [spell] is happening at our club right now and we are simply onlooking pawns in the game.

And as i see it there is only one real way to hurt these people - and that's mobilising ourselves to refrain from being what we are - ie match going fans. And as I see it there's only one effective way of even remotely hoping to achieve that which is to have a campaign co-ordinated via ALL the websites and SOS that just has an outside of building up the head of steam needed.

Anything short of a full head of steam is doomed. Agree entirlely with that opinion.

[Mighty_Red]

I'm just wondering if those of you with ST's can do more good inside the ground than outside. I know you don't want to put money in their pockets but your voices can be heard on TV etc inside the ground. Your seat could be taken over by someone who just doesn't give a shit. You obviously do. I don't know, just thinking out loud.

This is all too true. The only thing it would achieve is to water down those knowledgable fans who actually give a shit in the first place - ending up with a crowd no different to all other grounds, providing a nice little haven for those willing to bury their heads and pretend there's not a problem. A horrible conundrum but if I'm honest, I can't see me giving mine up.

Agree with both of you. Giving up ur ST would be the biggest sacrifice any of u guys could do, but unless it actually ends up with less people going to matches then it would not help at all, although at least you would know that you have done your bit.

The biggest problemas you say is the fact that they STs would be taken by others, and almost certainly they will not know about the problems that are affecting the club (other than what the rags print). I guess it would be even more difficult to stage a no-go protest if that happens.

I know a manc from work who used gave up his ST when he came down south, and mainly because they have fucked their supporters around. I think our c*nts will do the same to the match goers in due course.

Giving up your ST has to be an individual decision to not give YOUR money to THEM but dont do it to try and lose them money in the short term

[paranoidmike]

Initial reaction is sort of what I expected - ie the "it's a non-starter" [in the know] sort of comments.

No problem with that since up until this week [and particualrly overnight] I'd have felt the same.

However, something truly catyclismic [spell] is happening at our club right now and we are simply onlooking pawns in the game.

And as i see it there is only one real way to hurt these people - and that's mobilising ourselves to refrain from being what we are - ie match going fans. And as I see it there's only one effective way of even remotely hoping to achieve that which is to have a campaign co-ordinated via ALL the websites and SOS that just has an outside of building up the head of steam needed.

Anything short of a full head of steam is doomed. Agree entirlely with that opinion.

  you need to keep peoples passions burning as time is a great healer and those fuckers know it. In one months time a lot of fans will not feel the same as they do now.

[FernandoTourettes]

It's a non-starter.

I fear you might be right. Without Rafa, we've lost a voice behind the scenes. Without the fans that really care in the Stadium, we'll lose our voice entirely. It plays right into H&G's hands.

[MOZ]

Initial reaction is sort of what I expected - ie the "it's a non-starter" [in the know] sort of comments.

No problem with that since up until this week [and particualrly overnight] I'd have felt the same.

However, something truly catyclismic [spell] is happening at our club right now and we are simply onlooking pawns in the game.

And as i see it there is only one real way to hurt these people - and that's mobilising ourselves to refrain from being what we are - ie match going fans. And as I see it there's only one effective way of even remotely hoping to achieve that which is to have a campaign co-ordinated via ALL the websites and SOS that just has an outside of building up the head of steam needed.

Anything short of a full head of steam is doomed. Agree entirlely with that opinion.

I'm sure between now and August a movement could be orchestrated which would result in at least a half empty stadium for the first game of the season. Season ticketholders should renew but just not attend, if those tickets are given up they will be snapped up.

[Libertine]

The problem we have if we don't appoint a new manager, then King Kenny will be our interim manager. Would we not want to give him our support. I think we're caught between the Devil and the deep blue sea.

big picture time here. what's more important - the future of the club or giving kenny a cheer?

this is exactly what H&G want having kenny involved, thinking it will placate the fans. i think he'll understand and realise it's not personal against him.

starting with a EL boycott in july is great idea - not exactly going to be a game with a huge demand for tickets anyway so should be easier to have a bigger and more noticeable effect.

[GaryM]

I think a boycott of Cup Games is the way forward - boycott of season tickets punishes the wrong people and puts a further nail in the coffin of the club by swapping out die hard reds from the ground with ones who don't care as much.

Let's boycott Europa League for a start and see what happens - first game is quite early for that as well so itmight have the effect of getting things moving.

This.