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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #960 on: May 11, 2010, 08:49:30 AM »
Thats a great compile! Thanks for sharing.

I think he's got a good head on him and he will be better!

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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #961 on: May 11, 2010, 09:35:58 AM »
Except that you're completely wrong and the stats tend to prove it. I can't be arsed doing them for the whole season, but I did this in January. It might not take into account under which exact circumstances the fouls were made, but then again I remember a few "fouls" that were given against Lucas where he didn't do a thing wrong...

Fair enough mate, that's a reasoned argument backed up with stats that doesn't insult another poster or their 'credibility'. Just looking now I remember it, although I thought the free kick he gave away against Villa was nearer our goal and led to their goal? Whether this tendency has increased this season as it has gone on or was greater last season your stats don't show, but nevertheless in recent weeks I have noticed it again as being a problem.

Pulled up on what? You clearly have an issue with being challenged about the myths you were posting so I understand why it irks you so much. If anyone has a problem here its you with your imaginary idea that Lucas commits more fouls around the box. As Stoa's post shows (something which you ironically agreed with at the time) no matter how many times you repeat it, it is still wrong and is a myth. Your eyes were clearly playing tricks on you & were clouded by your preconceptions. I suggest you get rid of your bias and watch him play & judge him based on that.

In the meantime stop this crap because you're actually making yourself look very silly & further damaging your credibility...

Pulled up on acting like a rude twat. Simple. I'm done with you now.
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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #962 on: May 11, 2010, 10:13:16 AM »

Pulled up on acting like a rude twat. Simple. I'm done with you now.


 :boring Who cares? I've already said what needs to be said. Grow up and stop acting like a spoilt brat because your bias was exposed for what it is
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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #963 on: May 11, 2010, 10:20:31 AM »
:boring Who cares? I've already said what needs to be said. Grow up and stop acting like a spoilt brat because your bias was exposed for what it is

Nobody cares except for you who keeps dragging this out, long after you embarassed yourself by showing you have no respect for other poster's views if they don't match yours and that you can't have a debate without resorting to insults about 'credibility' or what people see at the game through 'clouded' minds. Then of course you revealed a strange insecurity about match going fans, with that utterly baffling 'snide' comment, and now you are accusing me of bias against a player I rate and like and praise on here all the time! Laughable really. What a strange mixed up mind you have. Now please, shut up about it will you, and stop wasting my time with your inconsequential witterings about your Brazilian idol who can do no wrong or else you get upset.
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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #964 on: May 11, 2010, 10:21:36 AM »
but nevertheless in recent weeks I have noticed it again as being a problem.

can't say i have noticed it to be honest
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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #965 on: May 11, 2010, 10:28:07 AM »
can't say i have noticed it to be honest

Fair enough mate, maybe there is some truth to the argument that because it is held as a common view it stands out more to people when he does do it, but then maybe there is an element of truth to it being an issue too that he needs to work on. tea-tree, in one of his less clouded moments , compared it to the myths about zonal marking. However, while people go OTT on that subject, zonal marking does have its flaws, and our use of it at times is shocking, so there is a valid argument against it, whether or not it is over-egged by Andy Gray and co and can be countered by the weakness of man marking. The point of this forum is we should be able to discuss these things, without somebody shouting that there is no debate to be had and calling into question people's credibility.
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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #966 on: May 11, 2010, 10:30:12 AM »
can't say i have noticed it to be honest

If he's talking about Lucas giving away more fouls, I can't say I've noticed an increase recently either, but then people will look for ways to justify their beliefs.
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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #967 on: May 11, 2010, 10:32:08 AM »
Nobody cares except for you who keeps dragging this out, long after you embarassed yourself by showing you have no respect for other poster's views if they don't match yours and that you can't have a debate without resorting to insults about 'credibility' or what people see at the game through 'clouded' minds. Then of course you revealed a strange insecurity about match going fans, with that utterly baffling 'snide' comment, and now you are accusing me of bias against a player I rate and like and praise on here all the time! Laughable really. What a strange mixed up mind you have. Now please, shut up about it will you, and stop wasting my time with your inconsequential witterings about your Brazilian idol who can do no wrong or else you get upset.

You're only embarrassing yourself with your constant rants and insults aimed at me to be honest. At the end of the day you did damage your credibility because you are claiming things about his game which are factually incorrect. By all means discuss his poor attacking game or lack of assists or goals. However to borrow the cliched nonsense about him giving away plenty of silly fouls and freekicks is rubbish. It doesn't matter how many times you repeat it because it is still rubbish. It is on par with someone claiming that Rafa rotates too much or the he rests Torres too much - myths which people accept due to repetition but nevertheless still myths. You're the one who is now backtracking saying you noticed it again recently as being a problem. Grow up mate because you're just making yourself look more and more silly with every post
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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #968 on: May 11, 2010, 10:39:38 AM »
You're only embarrassing yourself with your constant rants and insults aimed at me to be honest. At the end of the day you did damage your credibility because you are claiming things about his game which are factually incorrect. By all means discuss his poor attacking game or lack of assists or goals. However to borrow the cliched nonsense about him giving away plenty of silly fouls and freekicks is rubbish. It doesn't matter how many times you repeat it because it is still rubbish. It is on par with someone claiming that Rafa rotates too much or the he rests Torres too much - myths which people accept due to repetition but nevertheless still myths. You're the one who is now backtracking saying you noticed it again recently as being a problem. Grow up mate because you're just making yourself look more and more silly with every post

Everybody can look back through the pages here - you started this shite by being rude and unable to consider an argument that doesn't match yours. Unless you can categorically prove that Lucas doesn't give away silly free kicks, which you can't, you can't claim that it is factually incorrect. It is an area of his game I have noticed that he needs to work on. That was my only point, a small point as part of a wider discussion of his defensive abilities, but you turned it into something more. Saying I have noticed it again recently isn't backtracking, it's giving an example of why I think that and how it is based on what I have seen at games. Now please, for the love of God, let it rest, and stop dragging me into this petty nonsense.
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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #969 on: May 11, 2010, 10:45:40 AM »
Everybody can look back through the pages here - you started this shite by being rude and unable to consider an argument that doesn't match yours. Unless you can categorically prove that Lucas doesn't give away silly free kicks, which you can't, you can't claim that it is factually incorrect. It is an area of his game I have noticed that he needs to work on. That was my only point, a small point as part of a wider discussion of his defensive abilities, but you turned it into something more. Saying I have noticed it again recently isn't backtracking, it's giving an example of why I think that and how it is based on what I have seen at games. Now please, for the love of God, let it rest, and stop dragging me into this petty nonsense.

Of course it is factually incorrect. By its very nature the statement is a comparison to other midfielders yet you are not criticising Mascherano or anyone else for constantly giving away cheap freekicks. It has been shown from Stoa's post (and it's been clear to me watching on my tv ::) ) that they are on the same level. To single that out as a flaw in his game whilst shows that you've either got amazingly high expectations for a centre midfielder (which is not the case as you're not criticising Mascherano for it) or that you are simply regurgitating cliched nonsense. I know which option the force of logic lies with. But as Ollick said above, people will always look for ways to justify their beliefs ::)
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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #970 on: May 11, 2010, 10:53:32 AM »
Of course it is factually incorrect. By its very nature the statement is a comparison to other midfielders yet you are not criticising Mascherano or anyone else for constantly giving away cheap freekicks. It has been shown from Stoa's post (and it's been clear to me watching on my tv ::) ) that they are on the same level. To single that out as a flaw in his game whilst shows that you've either got amazingly high expectations for a centre midfielder (which is not the case as you're not criticising Mascherano for it) or that you are simply regurgitating cliched nonsense. I know which option the force of logic lies with. But as Ollick said above, people will always look for ways to justify their beliefs ::)

The point about watching games at the ground was about having watched all of Xabi's games up close and basing my views on memory, not a revisionist stance, as you rudely suggested. Why have you since turned it into a strange armchair fan/match going fan issue, complete with 'snide' comments and rolling eyes smilies, a favourite of yours I see? What strange insecurities have I unmasked?

This thread isn't about Mascherano, it's about Lucas! It was a comparison between Lucas and Xabi that was being discussed and I believe since he has been at Anfield Lucas have given away more daft fouls in dangerous positions than Xabi did. End of. I didn't use the word constant, I believe I said often, and I said it is something he needs to work on. Mascherano as I have already argued tends to give away fouls as a last resort, when they are necessary. Lucas, sometimes out of a naivety or eagerness, rushes in and gives away dangerous fouls when the need for breaking up play wasn't so pressing. That is not regurgitated cliched nonsense, it's what I've seen at the game.

Now please, move on. We have nothing left to discuss.
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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #971 on: May 11, 2010, 11:02:36 AM »
The point about watching games at the ground was about having watched all of Xabi's games up close and basing my views on memory, not a revisionist stance, as you rudely suggested. Why have you since turned it into a strange armchair fan/match going fan issue, complete with 'snide' comments and rolling eyes smilies, a favourite of yours I see? What strange insecurities have I unmasked?

This thread isn't about Mascherano, it's about Lucas! It was a comparison between Lucas and Xabi that was being discussed and I believe since he has been at Anfield Lucas have given away more daft fouls in dangerous positions than Xabi did. End of. I didn't use the word constant, I believe I said often, and I said it is something he needs to work on. Mascherano as I have already argued tends to give away fouls as a last resort, when they are necessary. Lucas, sometimes out of a naivety or eagerness, rushes in and gives away dangerous fouls when the need for breaking up play wasn't so pressing. That is not regurgitated cliched nonsense, it's what I've seen at the game.

Now please, move on. We have nothing left to discuss.

:boring Who cares? I've already said what needs to be said. Grow up and stop acting like a spoilt brat because your bias was exposed for what it is
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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #972 on: May 11, 2010, 11:04:50 AM »
Out of arguments I see. Good. Now run along.
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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #973 on: May 11, 2010, 11:18:11 AM »
Out of arguments I see. Good. Now run along.

 :lmao If that gives you some sort of sense of satisfaction or fulfilment then feel free to believe that.
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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #974 on: May 11, 2010, 11:20:07 AM »
:lmao If that gives you some sort of sense of satisfaction or fulfilment then feel free to believe that.

The only satisfaction I will get is when you shut up and stop ruining this thread with your drivel. To save the mods the work I'm done talking with you.
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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #975 on: May 11, 2010, 11:26:24 AM »
This thread isn't about Mascherano, it's about Lucas! It was a comparison between Lucas and Xabi that was being discussed and I believe since he has been at Anfield Lucas have given away more daft fouls in dangerous positions than Xabi did. End of. I didn't use the word constant, I believe I said often, and I said it is something he needs to work on. Mascherano as I have already argued tends to give away fouls as a last resort, when they are necessary. Lucas, sometimes out of a naivety or eagerness, rushes in and gives away dangerous fouls when the need for breaking up play wasn't so pressing. That is not regurgitated cliched nonsense, it's what I've seen at the game.
In last season at least, Lucas has had fouls called against him when he's just been hustling, using his body to contest the ball or the space where the ball is going, when the other player isn't clearly getting past. He picked up a yellow against Villa in this way, where Gray said it wasn't even a foul. Conversely, he's been close to assaulted without the referee calling in his favour, such as the penalties he didn't get against Stoke, or the elbow in the face from Fellaini. Judging Lucas's fouls and fouls against him by the referee's whistle isn't a good way of assessing what he does from a footballer's perspective, but even so, when he was playing as sole DM for a period in mid-season, nearly all his tackles were made in the area from D to D. Get beyond the D, and he stops committing.

My assessment of Lucas and Liverpool's system is still the same. Liverpool should be shaped to suit his strengths. Push up high to compress play. Have constantly mobile forwards ahead of him. Once you've got that, it doesn't matter if Lucas plays or not. Lucas the player is irrelevant to what Liverpool should be like. What Lucas represents is what Liverpool should be aiming for.
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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #976 on: May 11, 2010, 11:32:14 AM »
In last season at least, Lucas has had fouls called against him when he's just been hustling, using his body to contest the ball or the space where the ball is going, when the other player isn't clearly getting past. He picked up a yellow against Villa in this way, where Gray said it wasn't even a foul. Conversely, he's been close to assaulted without the referee calling in his favour, such as the penalties he didn't get against Stoke, or the elbow in the face from Fellaini. Judging Lucas's fouls and fouls against him by the referee's whistle isn't a good way of assessing what he does from a footballer's perspective, but even so, when he was playing as sole DM for a period in mid-season, nearly all his tackles were made in the area from D to D. Get beyond the D, and he stops committing.

My assessment of Lucas and Liverpool's system is still the same. Liverpool should be shaped to suit his strengths. Push up high to compress play. Have constantly mobile forwards ahead of him. Once you've got that, it doesn't matter if Lucas plays or not. Lucas the player is irrelevant to what Liverpool should be like. What Lucas represents is what Liverpool should be aiming for.

Or the example I gave against Blackburn, should have been two red cards against him there with the derby as well.

Agree with all of that second part mate, definitely. Said for years Lucas would be great in Arsenal's team because they play his style of football, the football we should be aiming for and see glimpses in Aquilani and Maxi.
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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #977 on: May 11, 2010, 02:17:11 PM »
think it's a bit stupid to say Lucas concedes a lot of fouls near the box, even more stupid to say Masch does it less. The card count and the foul count does not lie, Masch is our worse offender over the past season and going even further back, 4 red cards is it?
And for Lucas' red against Everton last season? the first one was a great tackle, the second was just a simple foul, he's always on the end of poor refeereeing, we all know that.
The free kick given away against Aston Villa, was closer to the centre spot then the edge of the box, but don't let your hatred for players cloud your judgement eh.

Disclaimer: Note I have not said that Lucas is better than Masch or insinuated he is better than Alonso in any parts of my post above.
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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #978 on: May 11, 2010, 02:21:53 PM »
think it's a bit stupid to say Lucas concedes a lot of fouls near the box, even more stupid to say Masch does it less. The card count and the foul count does not lie, Masch is our worse offender over the past season and going even further back, 4 red cards is it?
And for Lucas' red against Everton last season? the first one was a great tackle, the second was just a simple foul, he's always on the end of poor refeereeing, we all know that.
The free kick given away against Aston Villa, was closer to the centre spot then the edge of the box, but don't let your hatred for players cloud your judgement eh.

Disclaimer: Note I have not said that Lucas is better than Masch or insinuated he is better than Alonso in any of my post above.

Hatred for players? Fuck off. Was just about to reply and then read that addition, now I won't even bother debating the point about where fouls are conceded. Seems like nobody can have a discussion on here without some nomark making ridiculous, insulting claims. Ever consider that somebody might just make an observation, and it might not stand up under scrutiny? We are all wrong from time to time, but why would that mean I hate a Liverpool player?
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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #979 on: May 11, 2010, 02:24:18 PM »
Lucas will concede a lot of fouls.......that's what he's kinda there for (well to win the ball back and to halt any attacks). I think he has stopped conceding needless ones just outside of the box.

He's been given far too much stick this year and imo he has developed and will hopefully get better next year.
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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #980 on: May 11, 2010, 02:44:06 PM »
Hatred for players? Fuck off. Was just about to reply and then read that addition, now I won't even bother debating the point about where fouls are conceded. Seems like nobody can have a discussion on here without some nomark making ridiculous, insulting claims. Ever consider that somebody might just make an observation, and it might not stand up under scrutiny? We are all wrong from time to time, but why would that mean I hate a Liverpool player?
I have no idea why you would hate a Liverpool player, but then again ask that to the 20-40odd thousand who booed Lucas in 2008, i'm sure you could come to a similar conclusion. Probably that's he's not that God Zeus like Master of the Universe Alonso.
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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #981 on: May 11, 2010, 02:52:08 PM »
I have no idea why you would hate a Liverpool player, but then again ask that to the 20-40odd thousand who booed Lucas in 2008, i'm sure you could come to a similar conclusion. Probably that's he's not that God Zeus like Master of the Universe Alonso.

Well I've never booed a Liverpool player in my life and never will. I like Lucas, I always get behind the lad at the game and I think he's a good player. I've said on here countless times he has great potential. Just because I think he has flaws in his game he is yet to iron out does not mean I hate him as you implied and I would suggest that it is wise not to accuse people of hatred for players with no evidence at your disposal.

Oh and by the way not once when I have been at Anfield which is every home game Lucas has played have I ever heard more than a few thousand people tops booing Lucas, if that.
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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #982 on: May 11, 2010, 03:01:29 PM »
I disagree G1. Real have a poor defence and conceded goals even when Diarra AND Alonso played. That should be a good enough shield but they still leak goals due to the defenders not being that great.

Alonso was a great shield for us. He may not be a defensive midfielder in the Diarra or Mascherano mould, but he organised our midfield and our defence immensely. He was vocal and had good anticipation and was not the worlds worst tackler.

most goals ive seen then concede have been on the counter.
alonso has problems with deciding what the best thing is to do and tended to struggle in these situations.

as for degs view.
yes if we were sitting deeper more compact of course we would be harder to break down.
but notice good teams could get at us easily when alonso was sitting deep.
one fo those games where he couldnt read runs cost us badly last season.

as for covering fullbacks etc.....i wont even go there.

lucas is miles ahead of him defensively

an area where he hasnt established himself yet is how to properly influence a side.
think it may be a couple of years eyt because we do need to clear out a few players who were brought up in the game with a different understanding of it.
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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #983 on: May 11, 2010, 03:01:37 PM »
ah no need to explain yourself Neil, it was just annoying to hear you spurt off the same cliche that he concedes a lot of fouls around the box for which the evidence is to the contrary. Nevermind you seem worked up a lot.
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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #984 on: May 11, 2010, 03:08:07 PM »
ah no need to explain yourself Neil, it was just annoying to hear you spurt off the same cliche that he concedes a lot of fouls around the box for which the evidence is to the contrary. Nevermind you seem worked up a lot.

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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #985 on: May 11, 2010, 03:12:34 PM »
Watched a couple of videos of him on youtube... What´s pretty obvious to notice that he kind of lost pace and mobility in favour for overall strength to be ready for english football. He once stated that he spends more time in the gym in order to be more stable for the PL and players usually loose a little bit of pace when putting more emphasis on power in training.
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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #986 on: May 11, 2010, 03:15:44 PM »
Yes mate I do, Liverpool means a lot to me and I don't hate any of the lads I go and support every week.
Fair play, I'm gonna show indifference to those comments now, I've seen your previous posts on Lucas.

Possibly Steve I still think he's quite deceptively quick though, I feel for some parts of the game he saves his energy knowing the role he plays requires a lot of stamina
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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #987 on: May 11, 2010, 03:24:44 PM »
I feel for some parts of the game he saves his energy knowing the role he plays requires a lot of stamina

Second that. Holding midfielder in the PL is probably to most demanding job in football. I really hope Rafa sticks to his plan to play only Mascherano in holding midfield in the games against lesser teams. I really would love to see him more up in the game, like Aquilani...

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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #988 on: May 11, 2010, 04:32:59 PM »
First: Top post, new-red.

Second: One of the interesting things about the Alonso versus Lucas (as a defender) argument, is that it reflects on the improvement in Lucas's game in the last year. A year ago, Alonso was legitimately a better defender. Not that Lucas was necessarily poor - he just got nervous, went into too many challenges he didn't need to (which is why he as the unnecessary fouls reputation).

In the last season, played through necessity, Lucas has improved. He's calmer. He trusts himself more. So do his team mates.

His weaknesses are the same. His long range passing game isn't great. But then again, he's going to playing in a midfield with 2 of Aquilani, Gerrard and Mascherano. All three of those have good to great long range passing games. (Mascherano's being much better than his short range game). On the flip-side, his short range game - particularly in the final third - is reemerging after disappearing following his move from Gremio. The pass for Benayoun has been replicated frequently in the last few months - it is no longer a fluke. That, plus the increasing number of pass and move players we've started integrating into the team will help him (though, as a side effect of helping Liverpool).

He's a squad player who was asked to be first team this season. But as a squad player, he's a really decent one. Ask yourself: Jenas or Lucas? Denilson or Lucas? Mikel or Lucas? Gibson or Lucas? He's not necessarily better than all of those (my glass aren't that red tinted). But he's not worse either.

And he's improving dramatically. The Lucas on today shits all over the Lucas of August '09, nevermind the Lucas of August '08. That's a good thing.
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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #989 on: May 11, 2010, 05:04:17 PM »
First: Top post, new-red.

Second: One of the interesting things about the Alonso versus Lucas (as a defender) argument, is that it reflects on the improvement in Lucas's game in the last year. A year ago, Alonso was legitimately a better defender. Not that Lucas was necessarily poor - he just got nervous, went into too many challenges he didn't need to (which is why he as the unnecessary fouls reputation).

In the last season, played through necessity, Lucas has improved. He's calmer. He trusts himself more. So do his team mates.

His weaknesses are the same. His long range passing game isn't great. But then again, he's going to playing in a midfield with 2 of Aquilani, Gerrard and Mascherano. All three of those have good to great long range passing games. (Mascherano's being much better than his short range game). On the flip-side, his short range game - particularly in the final third - is reemerging after disappearing following his move from Gremio. The pass for Benayoun has been replicated frequently in the last few months - it is no longer a fluke. That, plus the increasing number of pass and move players we've started integrating into the team will help him (though, as a side effect of helping Liverpool).

He's a squad player who was asked to be first team this season. But as a squad player, he's a really decent one. Ask yourself: Jenas or Lucas? Denilson or Lucas? Mikel or Lucas? Gibson or Lucas? He's not necessarily better than all of those (my glass aren't that red tinted). But he's not worse either.

And he's improving dramatically. The Lucas on today shits all over the Lucas of August '09, nevermind the Lucas of August '08. That's a good thing.

Good shout, agreed.

Lucas' defensive game has improved no end this season. He really is one of a very few handful of players that have had a good season this year. I thought he had a cracking game holding the midfield against Atletico at Anfield when Mascherano wasn't there to support him. It really shows how far he has come with his defensive game.

It's almost dissapointing to see him holding the midfield when we know his natural game is to get forward, but rest assured that this season has been his biggest learning curve yet and having developed such a prominent defensive game, he will go on to be an excellent all round box to box midfielder in my opinion. Hopefully next season he is let off the lead with his new found defensive education, and hopefully the pressure will not be on as much with injuries and whatnot.

He's not complete, but he's still young and he ticks a lot of boxes.
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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #990 on: May 11, 2010, 05:08:25 PM »
Lucas wasn't called up for the world cup.
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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #991 on: May 11, 2010, 05:11:42 PM »
Lucas wasn't called up for the world cup.

You're joking? Thought Dunga and co fucking loved him?
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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #992 on: May 11, 2010, 05:17:12 PM »
Lucas wasn't called up for the world cup.

That'll hit him quite hard I think, he's desperate to go the World Cup. Once he get's over it though, it's in his character to come back even stronger and keep improving.
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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #993 on: May 11, 2010, 05:22:52 PM »
Lucas wasn't called up for the world cup.

Did Dunga announce the 30 man squad yet?

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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #994 on: May 11, 2010, 05:25:18 PM »
Lucas wasn't called up for the world cup.
He was played more because of Kaka's injury I thought. here is Brazil squad in full:

Goalkeepers: Julio César (Inter Milan), Gomes (Tottenham), Doni (Roma)

Wingbacks: Maicon (Inter Milan), Daniel Alves (Barcelona), Gilberto (Cruzeiro),
Michel Bastos (Lyon)

Centrebacks: Juan (Roma), Lúcio (Inter Milan), Luisão (Benfica), Thiago Silva (AC Milan)

Midfielders: Gilberto Silva (Panathinaikos), Josué (Wolfsburg), Felipe Melo (Juventus), Kaká (Real Madrid), Ramires (Benfica), Elano (Galatasaray), Julio Baptista (Roma), Kleberson (Flamengo),

Forwards: Robinho (Santos), Nilmar (Villarreal), Luis Fabiano (Sevilla), Grafite (Wolfsburg)

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http://pitacodogringo.wordpress.com/2010/05/11/brazil-announce-squad-for-the-2010-world-cup/

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http://brazil.worldcupblog.org/
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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #995 on: May 11, 2010, 05:31:07 PM »
Not as many highlights as recently but this brazilian squad looks pretty dangerous. They are my number one favourites again, think this team can make it. Great team spirit, chemistry between coach and team alright and a couple of players will be pretty fresh, Robinho f.e.

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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #996 on: May 11, 2010, 05:31:59 PM »
Aren't they supposed to name 30 players? I only count 23 there?


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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #997 on: May 11, 2010, 05:34:59 PM »
Aren't they supposed to name 30 players? I only count 23 there?


Don't know. I edited the post with the source.
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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #998 on: May 11, 2010, 05:43:52 PM »
That's a real shame. He always seems to take a knock somehow. Started with his derby "goal" being taken away from him, got booed by his own fans, has the best seaon of his life and is a regular in his countries squad, then doesn't get picked for the world cup.

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Re: Lucas Leiva
« Reply #999 on: May 11, 2010, 05:44:26 PM »
He's better than Elano.
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