Topic: Lucas in Brazil Squad

[fowlermagic]

suarez yes, gerrard not anymore.

Sorry but if Lucas gets in then SG who shits on the young lad would be in like a shot, end of. Its posters like this who stand in line to rub the balls of Lucas but run to the other side of the road when a true world class player is in their midst gets me knickers in a twist. They will post 500 times in a Lucas thread but will barely ever talk about our best players.

[iamrobk]

Thanks. Didnt know bout the Crapski one. He plays for Brazil national team yet?
Seems Lucas' a pop name! 

I honestly forget, but I'm pretty sure at least one of them has been capped once or twice, and the other probably will soon.

[Jokerman]

I honestly forget, but I'm pretty sure at least one of them has been capped once or twice, and the other probably will soon.

Lucas Piazon is the one who's gone to Chelsea, he hasn't played at senior level yet. The 'other' Lucas played against Scotland with Lucas. There's probably about 10 more Lucases waiting in the wings too.

[new-red]

Sorry but if Lucas gets in then SG who shits on the young lad would be in like a shot, end of. Its posters like this who stand in line to rub the balls of Lucas but run to the other side of the road when a true world class player is in their midst gets me knickers in a twist. They will post 500 times in a Lucas thread but will barely ever talk about our best players.

uh mate, who would SG take the place of? Hes not taking lucas' position. I don't mean to disparage Gerrard. I admire him tremendously and of course he is a better player than Lucas but his form has been very sporadic for the last two seasons. On 0809 form he gets into any side in the world but I haven't seen that form since....well, 0809.

And why do I need to talk about a player who is constantly recognized day in and day out as our best player and the heartbeat of the club. Do you want me to go in to those threads and just echo everyone's comments? Nothing needs to be said about Gerrard and if you look in the Gerrard appreciation thread i have alreadyposted my thoughts.

[new-red]

This is a question to all my lucas supporting mates, have you guys bought an issue of the Blizzard issue zero, Jonathan Wilson's new publication?

It is pay what you want. You can literally pay 0.01 for it and can download it on to your desktop.

If you haven't there is a brilliant article about Xavi and the square pass. 

Mods, is it ok to post the article?

[BIGdavalad]

Sorry but if Lucas gets in then SG who shits on the young lad would be in like a shot, end of.

Gerrard isn't really suited to playing the role that Lucas plays. Is he better than the players who do play his role in Brazil's side these days?

Just because you're better than another player in a team doesn't mean you'd walk into it.

[synthesis]

Where the hell would Gerrard play for Brazil? Brilliant player (although he hasn't been brilliant for a year or so) but hard to think of a player more ill-suited to the Brazil team.

[GrkStav]

Let's see to it that Gerrard gets to feature on OUR team some time this season first before waxing lyrical about his being an 'automatic' for Brazil were he Brazilian.

[One of these]

To pick up on the Busquets comparisons - how good would he look if he had Skrtel & Soto behind him rather than Puyol & Pique? 

Edit for typo

[new-red]

To pick up on the Busquets comparisons - how good would he look if he had Skrtel & Soto behind him rather than Putol & Pique?

which is essentially what we have been saying for months. I like busquets. Hes a good player but that Barca side enhances his abilities by always providing a pass for him and the movement off the ball is unparalleled. If you replace busquets with Lucas people would be astonished at how good he actually is.

His performance in the first half against Scotland was fantastic to watch. He always had a pass on and he was able to use his technical ability to turn out of trouble because he KNEW that a player would be availableto pass to.

[leivapool]

[childish glee]I just got tweeted by Lucas  [childish glee]

I can so relate to that, I felt kinda silly!!

I've had a few tweets from Lucas now, and then one morning I checked my email to find one saying that Lucas Leiva was now following me on Twitter - I nearly pissed my pants    Seriously, it was treble childish glee! 

Such a great lad Lucas

[Buzz Killington]

I can so relate to that, I felt kinda silly!!

I've had a few tweets from Lucas now, and then one morning I checked my email to find one saying that Lucas Leiva was now following me on Twitter - I nearly pissed my pants    Seriously, it was treble childish glee! 

Such a great lad Lucas

Lucky bugger! Well in James by the way, I was shocked to see people saying he should apologise for accusing the Scots of being racist when he did nothing of the sort, ridiculous.

I will say this though, he responds to girls more than boys! Good lad is Lucas.

[MassDriver]

I can so relate to that, I felt kinda silly!!

I've had a few tweets from Lucas now, and then one morning I checked my email to find one saying that Lucas Leiva was now following me on Twitter - I nearly pissed my pants    Seriously, it was treble childish glee! 

Such a great lad Lucas

You are a celebrity on twitter now. 

[Jellies]

Selling Lucas would be the worst move we've made in a very very long time. And God knows we've made some bad moves. He could prove to be really REALLY big for us. And I mean really. Contract renewal once Kenny's got his renewal as well. Our entire play is made up around Lucas now.

[Fordy]

Our entire play is made up around Lucas now.

Well if that is the case. He needs to do miles better as Lucas doen't make us tick.

I don't believe our entire play is made up around Lucas at all.

[MassDriver]

Well if that is the case. He needs to do miles better as Lucas doen't make us tick.

I don't believe our entire play is made up around Lucas at all.

What the hell is 'make us tick'?. Its late here , humor me.

He is one of the key parts in Kenny's machine , without which the machine ceases to function as desired.

[Fordy]

Its late here

Well go to bed cause you don't know what your talking about.

[MassDriver]

Well go to bed cause you don't know what your talking about.

Its not THAT late. Looks like you've got fuck all to say.

Have to stay up anyway , India Pakistan is 'unmissable'. 

[Roger Federer]

Where the hell would Gerrard play for Brazil? Brilliant player (although he hasn't been brilliant for a year or so) but hard to think of a player more ill-suited to the Brazil team.

You don't think he can play instead of Ramires, Jadson or Elano? He's not the player he once was, but I'm convinced he's still better than those three.

[Fordy]

Its not THAT late. Looks like you've got fuck all to say.

I have a lot to say but anyone who currently thinks our team is built around Lucas is having a fucking laugh.

It could be in years to come but currently it isn't.

[Lark]

You don't think he can play instead of Ramires, Jadson or Elano? He's not the player he once was, but I'm convinced he's still better than those three.

Brazil is currently employing a 4-2-2-2 system. I suppose he could play right behind the strikers, a position where players like Kaka would play, but both Lucas and Ramires are employed right in front of the backfour as Volantes so I'm not quite sure about that position.

[Roger Federer]

Brazil is currently employing a 4-2-2-2 system. I suppose he could play right behind the strikers, a position where players like Kaka would play, but both Lucas and Ramires are employed right in front of the backfour as Volantes so I'm not quite sure about that position.

I'm not the greatest fan of Gerrard in a middle two, but on the other hand he's underrated by many on here too. Against the Mancs for example, he did great in CM. It doesn't suit him perfectly imo, but with someone like Lucas behind, and a playmaker infront, I'm sure he's a better option than Ramires still (like him by the way, seems to have found some better form lately).

[The 5th Benitle]

Well if that is the case. He needs to do miles better as Lucas doen't make us tick.

He does though. Robbing the opposition of possession and successfully passing it to team mates to start an attack is the very definition of making a team tick. What that team mate does with the ball is unfortunately beyond his control.

[Fordy]

He does though. Robbing the opposition of possession and successfully passing it to team mates to start an attack is the very definition of making a team tick. What that team mate does with the ball is unfortunately beyond his control.

No he doen't mate. What so all DM players make their team tick then?

I currently don't think our team is built around anyone hence why we can play different formations.

[The 5th Benitle]

No he doen't mate. 

I disagree.

What so all DM players make their team tick then?

No, where would you get that from? A 'destroyer' slides in, with little regard for where the ball ends up. Lucas is cleverer than that.

I currently don't think our team is built around anyone hence why we can play different formations.

Nor do I, and I never said it was. Making a team tick and having a team built around you are two different things.

[Alonso]

I'm sure Maddock has reliable sources.

 

The man talks shite. 95% of his gossip articles contain no quotes, just his fabricated rubbish.

[TomDcs]

Lucas is coming into his own and is starting to perform consistently well, we'd be utterly stupid not to tie him to a long term contract asap. I've no doubt in my mind that we will, the papers are just being lazy (!) and assuming he's not in our plans because a. he might have left last summer and b. we're interested in charlie adam. You can't really fail to notice he's been one of our best performers this season, I think kenny rates him very highly and he'll be sorted in the summer, plus he's another lad who really seems to be proud to play for us.

[Jellies]

I currently don't think our team is built around anyone hence why we can play different formations.

That's a bit naive. A team is always centered around certain players. When Agger is playing, our team's build-up is almost always based on Agger and Lucas. Lucas often being the one to bring the ball forward or covering for Agger. Defensively our team, at least since Kenny came back in control, is very heavily based on Lucas' ability to close down their offensive playmaker. Both in 4-4-2, 5-3-2 and 4-3-3 we've had him as the defensive playmaker to redistribute the ball, close down attacks and to bring the ball forward when Agger isn't in the team. In addition to that, he covers both for Gerrard and Meireles when they are playing further up field. His work off the ball is something you can only appreciate if you watch the game in real, but I tell you, it's top top class. His workrate and fitness is stunning and that's part of the reason why Kenny builds the team like Lucas + 10 other players.

[Fordy]

Making a team tick and having a team built around you are two different things.

Yes I know that. If anyone currently makes our team tick it's Suarez. Lucas play currently lacks tempo and range of passes to make us tick.

[The 5th Benitle]

Yes I know that. If anyone currently makes our team tick it's Suarez. Lucas play currently lacks tempo and range of passes to make us tick.

OK, we clearly have a different definition of it, not a problem.

[Jellies]

Yes I know that. If anyone currently makes our team tick it's Suarez. Lucas play currently lacks tempo and range of passes to make us tick.

Yorky said it best:

There are some people who can't see a tackle unless its preceded by a 20-yard run and a slide.

There are some people who can't appreciate a pass unless it travels 30 yards and its in the air.

There are some people who don't see off-the-ball movement unless its entirely reactive and involves a pursuit of the ball or a man on the ball.

There are still some people who think a backward pass is always a negative pass.

There are some people who literally can't see a player who uses one touch to accomplish things.

Lucas will always be a mystery to these people. That's because they still broadly see the game with the eyes of those 15th century peasants who kicked and bludgeoned a pig's bladder from village to village.

[nonkiwi-nonblue]

Yes I know that. If anyone currently makes our team tick it's Suarez. Lucas play currently lacks tempo and range of passes to make us tick.

Lucas apparent lack of range of passing is untrue.
Did you watch him play for Brazil?
He spread balls out to both wings.
I think it's the fact that we lack real quality wingers, so Lucas is reluctant to spread balls out wide.
Our wingers don't run at defenders and don't really threaten, hence Lucas' reluctance.

[Jellies]

I'm afraid that this would sound arrogantly, but I really think you should take your time and watch how Lucas plays, Fordy. I really really enjoy to watch players who doesn't play with glamour and pace like Suarez, but is so important for the team and so heavily influenced by his alternative but yet classic skills and attributes. He's really a star player - and he's ours. I feel like you're missing out, but then again, if you don't feel that way it's your right, absolutely, just saying that you should at least try.

[Lark]

I'm not the greatest fan of Gerrard in a middle two, but on the other hand he's underrated by many on here too. Against the Mancs for example, he did great in CM. It doesn't suit him perfectly imo, but with someone like Lucas behind, and a playmaker infront, I'm sure he's a better option than Ramires still (like him by the way, seems to have found some better form lately).

I agree that against the Mancs he played really well in CM, might even be his best performance of the season. I'm not sure he would be suited for the volante roll as he isn't as hard working as he used to be. There are other reasons as well but that would require some elaboration on the volante roll. I also believe that his top qualities are best used in the final third of the pitch. Anyway, it's mostly a theoretical debate as he isn’t Brazilian.

[Fordy]

Yorky said it best:

Yeah that's coming from a bloke that can't see what Kuyt has to offer us. Sorry but he is a great poster plus I can see what Lucas offers us however it doesn't mean that I think he is one of the best DM in the world. Sure if you asked he he will say he can improve a lot. Also it doesn't back up your point at all.

Anyway Yorkies point doesn't back up what you were saying "Our play is built around Lucas" as you claim.

[Jellies]

Yeah that's coming from a bloke that can't see what Kuyt has to offer us. Sorry but he is a great poster plus I can see what Lucas offers us however it doesn't mean that I think he is one of the best DM in the world. Sure if you asked he he will say he can improve a lot. Also it doesn't back up your point at all.

Anyway Yorkies point doesn't back up what you were saying "Our play is built around Lucas" as you claim.

No, my post further up does

[Fordy]

Lucas apparent lack of range of passing is untrue.
Did you watch him play for Brazil?
He spread balls out to both wings.
I think it's the fact that we lack real quality wingers, so Lucas is reluctant to spread balls out wide.
Our wingers don't run at defenders and don't really threaten, hence Lucas' reluctance.

International's mean fuck all to me. What Lucas or any player does in an International is one thing but I only care what a player does for Liverpool.

[nonkiwi-nonblue]

Anyway Yorkies point doesn't back up what you were saying "Our play is built around Lucas" as you claim.

So you don't believe that Lucas launches almost all of our attacks.
And that he is the player that almost always spreads the play to our forwards?

[Fordy]

I'm afraid that this would sound arrogantly, but I really think you should take your time and watch how Lucas plays, Fordy. I really really enjoy to watch players who doesn't play with glamour and pace like Suarez, but is so important for the team and so heavily influenced by his alternative but yet classic skills and attributes. He's really a star player - and he's ours. I feel like you're missing out, but then again, if you don't feel that way it's your right, absolutely, just saying that you should at least try.

I have seen Lucas playing live many a time. I rate the lad and I know what he brings to the side. I am not missing out on anything I am just not joining the Lucas cult as yet.

[Jellies]

I have seen Lucas playing live many a time. I rate the lad and I know what he brings to the side. I am not missing out on anything I am just not joining the Lucas cult as yet.

The 'cult' is mainly down to him being a Liverpool player and how excited we are about his future and what a fantastic feeling it is to see him play. He's obviously not the world's best defensive midfielder. But he plays in a way that you don't see very often although it's very classic in Brazilian football. And really, if you would choose a time to be positive about Liverpool, our players and our future why not now? I myself expect very big things.