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If its not broke don't fix it.
« on: January 30, 2010, 08:24:49 PM »


Skrtel and Kyrgiakos have been like two rocks since pairing up togeather and i just hope they stay in the centre of defence for the forseable future even if Agger is back. Agge wiyjr and Cara just do not have the presence of these two and with Danny not 100% fit i say leave it be.

What is it 5 games and 1 goal conseeded? The whole team looks more solid now including Riera returns giving Insua a bit of help and making us a more formidable team at the back now.
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Re: If its not broke don't fix it.
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2010, 08:28:16 PM »


Skrtel and Kyrgiakos have been like two rocks since pairing up togeather and i just hope they stay in the centre of defence for the forseable future even if Agger is back. Agge wiyjr and Cara just do not have the presence of these two and with Danny not 100% fit i say leave it be.

What is it 5 games and 1 goal conseeded? The whole team looks more solid now including Riera returns giving Insua a bit of help and making us a more formidable team at the back now.
Agree 100%, even when Johnson is back id push him on up the pitch and leave the back four as it is, as you say, if its not broke dont fix it..
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Re: If its not broke don't fix it.
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2010, 08:28:27 PM »
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Re: If its not broke don't fix it.
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2010, 08:31:06 PM »
There are playing well but we need Agger for his ability to carry the ball forward. Cant see both Sotos and Skretl playing this well week in week out till the end of the season!!
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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2010, 08:33:24 PM »
There are playing well but we need Agger for his ability to carry the ball forward. Cant see both Sotos and Skretl playing this well week in week out till the end of the season!!
Exactly.

Its fine against the likes of Bolton who play long balls, against other teams I'd rather have Agger.

Plus when Johnson is fit he goes straight in at right back.

Great to see healthy competition at the back though :)
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Re: If its not broke don't fix it.
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2010, 08:51:03 PM »
Kyrgiakos was born to play against the likes of Stoke and Bolton, and to his credit his performances over the last couple of weeks have been very good. Good block off the line today aswell.

And it's 3 clean sheets in a row in the league too.

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Re: If its not broke don't fix it.
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2010, 08:52:23 PM »
Would like to see Kyrgiakos and Agger play together personally.
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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2010, 08:53:42 PM »
The both of them were solid against Spurs as well as the big hoofers.  I think they do well because they compliment each others strengths and weaknesses.  Somehow they've developed a great understanding too. 

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Re: If its not broke don't fix it.
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2010, 08:55:14 PM »
Can't argue with goals conceded but we still need a bit more talent with regards to passing than we get with Carra, Insua, Kyrgiakos and Skrtel.  Johnson and Aurelio would certainly help in this sense besides from obviously Agger, the most promising thing for me is though we seem to have the options in our back 4 to strike up a real balanced defence.

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Re: If its not broke don't fix it.
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2010, 08:55:42 PM »
Agger is our best defender and should be in there on merit.

With that said, keeping consecutive clean sheets has been an extremely fragile affair for us this season and the four playing together now might just be developing a bit of confidence  between them now. For now, I'd like us to keep it.

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« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2010, 08:58:43 PM »
To be honest, I think it's been more to do with Kyrgiakos than Skrtel.

I've regularly been saying that Agger, Skrtel and Carra are top class CBs- just not when paired together. They need a rock. It's the reason I've been calling for a new CB for this January transfer window. We got one afterall it seems.

Stick either of them next to Kyrgiakos and we'll do as we are.

I'd have Agger in next to him because he's been our next best CB this season and he's on a different planet when it comes to ability on the ball and comparing him to Carra and Skrtel.


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Re: If its not broke don't fix it.
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2010, 08:58:48 PM »
Keep these two together for now.  Our defence has been a shambles until recently.  Can't any of you remember what was obvious only a few weeks ago and causing so many knee jerk reactions.

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Re: If its not broke don't fix it.
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2010, 09:00:57 PM »
Agger at RB

THERE I thought about it and said it

Agger shows a willing ness to play the ball out and carry the ball forward.....

Maldini was a CB/RB Dagger could do this job to....

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Re: If its not broke don't fix it.
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2010, 09:02:38 PM »
Would like to see Kyrgiakos and Agger play together personally.

Same here. Best two CB's we've got at the moment. Kyrgiakos to win the headers and Agger to bring it out  and get an attack starting. I think they'd complement each other well anyway.
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Re: If its not broke don't fix it.
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2010, 09:05:55 PM »
Agger at RB

THERE I thought about it and said it

Agger shows a willing ness to play the ball out and carry the ball forward.....

Maldini was a CB/RB Dagger could do this job to....

The Greek for 1.5m has been amazing...
He's faaar to left footed to play RB.....not only that, ahead of Johnson let alone Carra? Now way Jose!

When Johnson is fit, he comes straight back in. No brainer, the tough question is what to do with Carragher.

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Re: If its not broke don't fix it.
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2010, 09:06:09 PM »
Sorry, but they look like they'd get torn apart by a decent centre forward with a bit of pace.
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« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2010, 09:08:20 PM »
Exactly.

Its fine against the likes of Bolton who play long balls, against other teams I'd rather have Agger.

Bolton didn't exactly hoof it today. They looked like they wanted to play football.
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« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2010, 09:13:00 PM »
It is a tough one for Rafa

Long term the only solution is a defence that includes Agger and Johnson over two of Carragher and Skrtel and Soto but how does he deal with putting them back in and not upsetting the recovery.

As far as i'm concerned Johnson and Agger are vital to us becoming a good side again as their quality is beyond doubt. Only once they are back in will the team play exactly the sort of football we all know this squad is capable of. At the minute I think Soto has earned the right to keep his place but it is highly unlikely that Rafa will 'drop' Carragher. But these are good problems for Rafa to be dealing with.

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« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2010, 09:15:01 PM »
Bolton didn't exactly hoof it today. They looked like they wanted to play football.

Very true.

On throws, free-kicks and goal-kicks they aimed for Davies.  Besides for that plan A was to try and pass the ball, lump to Davies was plan B!

Fortunately we had this big Greek in the way. :)
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Re: If its not broke don't fix it.
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2010, 09:15:54 PM »
I think the fact we have 3 proper defenders at the back is helping as its much easier for Masch to cover one attacking fullback instead of two. Carra won't bomb forward so that leaves Insua to raid if needed, and as long as Masch is aware to cover then happy days.

At the start of the season we had both fullbacks getting forward and we looked exposed. By only having one consistently getting forward we look a lot more balanced.
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« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2010, 09:17:32 PM »
In the past few games, the big Greek has had a better run of games than any of our other Centre Backs have had at any stage of the season.

Cant play with the ball at his feet but at this point who cares? He heads, he tackles, he blocks, he battles...he has been fucking amazing and a joy to watch.
Right now, I dont break up any of the back 4 and Johnson/Agger/A.N Other just need to park their backsides on the bench and wait for their chances.

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Re: If its not broke don't fix it.
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2010, 09:18:20 PM »
Sounds good, but against teams with more technical ability I suggest playing Agger.
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« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2010, 09:20:39 PM »
Sorry, but they look like they'd get torn apart by a decent centre forward with a bit of pace.

that is my concern too. today's game suited them well, but when they were opened it was due to same pacey runs.

Agger is about the only one of them I am confident can handle a skilful fast striker having a good day. Skretl of former seasons too, but something seems to have shattered that. Carragher is just too erratic these days to be reliable in that regard, imo.

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« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2010, 09:21:24 PM »
To be honest, I think it's been more to do with Kyrgiakos than Skrtel.

I've regularly been saying that Agger, Skrtel and Carra are top class CBs- just not when paired together. They need a rock. It's the reason I've been calling for a new CB for this January transfer window. We got one afterall it seems.

Stick either of them next to Kyrgiakos and we'll do as we are.

I'd have Agger in next to him because he's been our next best CB this season and he's on a different planet when it comes to ability on the ball and comparing him to Carra and Skrtel.
What say you to Kyrgiakos taking Carragher's place for a spell?
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« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2010, 09:21:26 PM »
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« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2010, 09:23:59 PM »
that is my concern too. today's game suited them well, but when they were opened it was due to same pacey runs.

Agger is about the only one of them I am confident can handle a skilful fast striker having a good day. Skretl of former seasons too, but something seems to have shattered that. Carragher is just too erratic these days to be reliable in that regard, imo.

Skrtel may be gaining some of his confidence back, which is great.  He is definitely quick enough.  But I'd have to say they kept Defoe pretty quiet. 

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« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2010, 09:26:33 PM »
Would like to see Kyrgiakos and Agger play together personally.

Me too.
Kyrgiakos really can't be dropped in the form he's in - we've looked a different defence entirely with him in it.
But as a team performance, we miss what Agger brings us.

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« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2010, 09:30:09 PM »
Me too.
Kyrgiakos really can't be dropped in the form he's in - we've looked a different defence entirely with him in it.
But as a team performance, we miss what Agger brings us.

I'm a huge fan of Agger, but I think this is more about rewarding good performances and choosing our squad based on merit.  Skrtel hasn't been bad on the ball of recently.  Let them keep keep their spot and let our team gain the confidence that a solid defense brings.

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« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2010, 09:32:45 PM »
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« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2010, 09:35:57 PM »
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« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2010, 10:03:57 PM »
I agree, they should play against Everton, I mean with Blueshite's Moronic "elbowing isn't a foul" Fellaini and Tim Cahill I'd deffo have Kyrgiakos in defence, would make me feel a lot better during set pieces.
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« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2010, 10:07:20 PM »
Nah. It's got to be Agger and Carra when they are all fit. But fair play to the lad. He's been solid.
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« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2010, 10:13:31 PM »
I agree, they should play against Everton, I mean with Blueshite's Moronic "elbowing isn't a foul" Fellaini and Tim Cahill I'd deffo have Kyrgiakos in defence, would make me feel a lot better during set pieces.

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« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2010, 10:36:20 PM »
Nah. It's got to be Agger and Carra when they are all fit. But fair play to the lad. He's been solid.

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« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2010, 11:14:41 PM »
Any intelligent centre-forward would cause them serious problems.  The Greek seems quite calm (despite his reputation as a hot head!) and has done a good job now he's adapted to the league, but I still would rather Agger play against better teams for his reading of the game and his better passing suits our counter-attacking style

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« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2010, 11:26:30 PM »
Any intelligent centre-forward would cause them serious problems.

Why do you think we're discussing them starting against Everton ;D
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« Reply #36 on: January 30, 2010, 11:28:08 PM »
Any intelligent centre-forward would cause them serious problems.  The Greek seems quite calm (despite his reputation as a hot head!) and has done a good job now he's adapted to the league, but I still would rather Agger play against better teams for his reading of the game and his better passing suits our counter-attacking style

All this counter attacking stuff is well and good but these two are not conseeding and we are winning so what is it exactly is the problem with these two i am missing?
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Re: If its not broke don't fix it.
« Reply #37 on: January 30, 2010, 11:35:27 PM »
Agree with the OP totally

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« Reply #39 on: January 30, 2010, 11:42:30 PM »
To be honest, I think it's been more to do with Kyrgiakos than Skrtel.

I fully agree with that. There is just something about Kyrgiakos that's giving the defence a bit more confidence. He's such a presence in defence and almost always stays calm (his goal-line clearance today for example). And I think that was what was lacking before. Our defenders started to panic collectively whenever something went wrong. Kyrgiakos just gets on with the game and tries to correct the mistake. And that's something that the others are aware of. That there is someone who will help them and who is capable of helping them whenever someone makes a mistake.
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