Author Topic: Martin Skrtel (Read 132479 times)

Dagger/Molby · « **Reply #1360 on:** March 1, 2011, 12:07:48 PM »

Quote from: dr.dracco on March 1, 2011, 11:14:26 AM

Bullshit.

He usually has no problems with the likes of Drogba and Anelka, and he kept Rooney quite this year in league at OT, while Carra was torn to pieces by Berbatov. If I remember correct Rooney didn´t score in any game we played against United with Skrtel in team.

And he is better than Carra during last 2 seasons without a doubt.

And your think about Danish or Norwegian league is not even laughable.

Why is it laughable?? Those teams match the Skrtl-level - and i don't joke about it!! All defenders from these teams are also playing on their national teams - National teams that are a hole lot more recognized than the slovakian! Like i have said all the time, i honestly don't think he has PL-class and for me it is a riddle how the f**k he ended up in LFC in the first place - when we could have bought a player like Hangeland much cheaper (2 mill £). Hangeland has so much more class in his play - and is like Sami in the air...

dr.dracco · « **Reply #1361 on:** March 1, 2011, 12:54:00 PM »

Quote from: Dagger/Molby on March 1, 2011, 12:07:48 PM

Why is it laughable?? Those teams match the Skrtl-level - and i don't joke about it!! All defenders from these teams are also playing on their national teams - National teams that are a hole lot more recognized than the slovakian! Like i have said all the time, i honestly don't think he has PL-class and for me it is a riddle how the f**k he ended up in LFC in the first place - when we could have bought a player like Hangeland much cheaper (2 mill £). Hangeland has so much more class in his play - and is like Sami in the air...

O.K. I give up. So we can ship out Skrtel to some norwegian club in direct swap for some player nobody ever heard of.

At least Agger is Barcelona material...

Dagger/Molby · « **Reply #1362 on:** March 1, 2011, 01:07:15 PM »

Quote from: dr.dracco on March 1, 2011, 12:54:00 PM

O.K. I give up. So we can ship out Skrtel to some norwegian club in direct swap for some player nobody ever heard of.

At least Agger is Barcelona material...

Why the fu*k bring Agger into this?? What has he done to you? And you have not heard of Hangeland?? Which planet are you from?? But there is one thing right - lets ship Skrtl off to a club in which he would fit into and get some classacts as CBs... I just mention what has been my opinion about Skrtl all the time - and what several people in here thinks so too now... I am sure Martin is a nice guy - but lets not try to talk him up to something he isn't

dr.dracco · « **Reply #1363 on:** March 1, 2011, 01:31:15 PM »

Quote from: Dagger/Molby on March 1, 2011, 01:07:15 PM

Why the fu*k bring Agger into this?? What has he done to you? And you have not heard of Hangeland?? Which planet are you from?? But there is one thing right - lets ship Skrtl off to a club in which he would fit into and get some classacts as CBs... I just mention what has been my opinion about Skrtl all the time - and what several people in here thinks so too now... I am sure Martin is a nice guy - but lets not try to talk him up to something he isn't

I am from teh same planet than you. And I know Hangeland and don´t think he is any better than Skrtel. I don´t follow Fulham every week but I´ve seen them play I would guess 8-10 times during last 2 seasons and maybe I was unlucky but there were more times he was poor or average at best, than the quality ones.

And I´ve brought Agger into it because I don´t like you, the same counts in opposite way. 99% of your posts are in Agger and Skrtels threads. In the former you sing poems about Danny, in the latter you piss on Martin. That´s why I brought Daniel on here, just to wind you little bit up.

Skrtel is clearly not world class and I´ve never said that. But to claim that he is Norwegian league level is a joke. I had a conversation few weeks ago with few lads on here about comparison of Skrtel to other we could say Top 6 central backs.

My conclusion was that he is definitely worse than Vidic, Ferdinand ( in his prime, but he is a joke last 2 years), Terry, Alex, Vermaelan and Kompany.

He is definitely better than the likes of Koscielny, Squillaci, Djourou Evans, Smalling, Lescott or some of the 25 CB´s that Spurs have.

And from my point of view he is on par with the likes of Kolo Toure, Dawson, or Gallas.

But funny thing is, that when I tried to compare Agger with the same players I came to the same conclusion, at least from my point of view.

simplyred84 · « **Reply #1364 on:** March 1, 2011, 01:41:57 PM »

As has been stated before, for someone of his stature, strikers should not be getting a look-in. However they do, and im not talking about physically imposing strikers, even the likes of Tevez, DJ Campbell, and Van Persie would all give him a run for his money in an aerial challenge and that has to be a factor in weighing what exactly he offers the back four.

I thought he was brilliant about 3 years ago, went to ground a bit too easily but thought this would slowly diminish...it hasn't. The fact is he is 6'3 and was 23 when we bought him and he has not improved. We invested 6-7m in potential that after 3 years has not sufficiently developed. It's not as if he has not had the chances, this is not Ryan Babel we are talking about, Skrtel has to go im afraid.
We should be more than able to re-coup most of the outlay on him, i have run out of patience.

dr.dracco · « **Reply #1365 on:** March 1, 2011, 01:53:39 PM »

Quote from: simplyred84 on March 1, 2011, 01:41:57 PM

As has been stated before, for someone of his stature, strikers should not be getting a look-in. However they do, and im not talking about physically imposing strikers, even the likes of Tevez, DJ Campbell, and Van Persie would all give him a run for his money in an aerial challenge and that has to be a factor in weighing what exactly he offers the back four.

I thought he was brilliant about 3 years ago, went to ground a bit too easily but thought this would slowly diminish...it hasn't. The fact is he is 6'3 and was 23 when we bought him and he has not improved. We invested 6-7m in potential that after 3 years has not sufficiently developed. It's not as if he has not had the chances, this is not Ryan Babel we are talking about, Skrtel has to go im afraid.
We should be more than able to re-coup most of the outlay on him, i have run out of patience.

This is fair opinion. It´s not like telling him to fuck off or sending him to Norway.

Dagger/Molby · « **Reply #1366 on:** March 1, 2011, 02:28:37 PM »

Quote from: dr.dracco on March 1, 2011, 01:53:39 PM

This is fair opinion. It´s not like telling him to fuck off or sending him to Norway.

Get a grip... Who has said anything about Fu*cking off?? No one has been sending him to Norway - all i said - and i am sure there is a lot of Norwegians/Danes/Swedes in here that agree - is that he will not be a 1 choice CB in clubs like Rosenborg, Start Kristiansand, Brondby or Fc Copenhagen - so why should he be good enough for LFC??? I have never stated that Dagger is the best in the league - but if he hadn't been so injuryprone i am pretty sure that he would have been the best CB in the league today. That is a fact!!

Dagger/Molby · « **Reply #1367 on:** March 1, 2011, 02:33:53 PM »

Quote from: dr.dracco on March 1, 2011, 01:31:15 PM

I am from teh same planet than you. And I know Hangeland and don´t think he is any better than Skrtel. I don´t follow Fulham every week but I´ve seen them play I would guess 8-10 times during last 2 seasons and maybe I was unlucky but there were more times he was poor or average at best, than the quality ones.

And I´ve brought Agger into it because I don´t like you, the same counts in opposite way. 99% of your posts are in Agger and Skrtels threads. In the former you sing poems about Danny, in the latter you piss on Martin. That´s why I brought Daniel on here, just to wind you little bit up.

Skrtel is clearly not world class and I´ve never said that. But to claim that he is Norwegian league level is a joke. I had a conversation few weeks ago with few lads on here about comparison of Skrtel to other we could say Top 6 central backs.

My conclusion was that he is definitely worse than Vidic, Ferdinand ( in his prime, but he is a joke last 2 years), Terry, Alex, Vermaelan and Kompany.

He is definitely better than the likes of Koscielny, Squillaci, Djourou Evans, Smalling, Lescott or some of the 25 CB´s that Spurs have.

And from my point of view he is on par with the likes of Kolo Toure, Dawson, or Gallas.

But funny thing is, that when I tried to compare Agger with the same players I came to the same conclusion, at least from my point of view.

Calculated 56,4 % of my Posts include Dagger or Skrtl (Try counting it - i did) Out of your 494 (I have counted them) Dagger or Skrtl is mentioned in 469 of them!!! Out of the 469 you have posted 281 of them is in Daggertreads - out of the 281 treads you have pissed on dagger and praised that Skrtl is better in 243 of them - it has taken be approx. ½ hour to count this up, Dr Skrtl!!!

suredross · « **Reply #1368 on:** March 1, 2011, 03:13:53 PM »

Quote from: simplyred84 on March 1, 2011, 01:41:57 PM

As has been stated before, for someone of his stature, strikers should not be getting a look-in. However they do, and im not talking about physically imposing strikers, even the likes of Tevez, DJ Campbell, and Van Persie would all give him a run for his money in an aerial challenge and that has to be a factor in weighing what exactly he offers the back four.

I thought he was brilliant about 3 years ago, went to ground a bit too easily but thought this would slowly diminish...it hasn't. The fact is he is 6'3 and was 23 when we bought him and he has not improved. We invested 6-7m in potential that after 3 years has not sufficiently developed. It's not as if he has not had the chances, this is not Ryan Babel we are talking about, Skrtel has to go im afraid.
We should be more than able to re-coup most of the outlay on him, i have run out of patience.

THANK GOODNESS YOU ARE NOT THE COACH.....

lunnylad · « **Reply #1369 on:** March 1, 2011, 06:00:25 PM »

Quote from: dr.dracco on March 1, 2011, 01:31:15 PM

I am from teh same planet than you. And I know Hangeland and don´t think he is any better than Skrtel. I don´t follow Fulham every week but I´ve seen them play I would guess 8-10 times during last 2 seasons and maybe I was unlucky but there were more times he was poor or average at best, than the quality ones.

And I´ve brought Agger into it because I don´t like you, the same counts in opposite way. 99% of your posts are in Agger and Skrtels threads. In the former you sing poems about Danny, in the latter you piss on Martin. That´s why I brought Daniel on here, just to wind you little bit up.

Skrtel is clearly not world class and I´ve never said that. But to claim that he is Norwegian league level is a joke. I had a conversation few weeks ago with few lads on here about comparison of Skrtel to other we could say Top 6 central backs.

My conclusion was that he is definitely worse than Vidic, Ferdinand ( in his prime, but he is a joke last 2 years), Terry, Alex, Vermaelan and Kompany.

He is definitely better than the likes of Koscielny, Squillaci, Djourou Evans, Smalling, Lescott or some of the 25 CB´s that Spurs have.

And from my point of view he is on par with the likes of Kolo Toure, Dawson, or Gallas.

But funny thing is, that when I tried to compare Agger with the same players I came to the same conclusion, at least from my point of view.

If that's what you think then, in the words of Ari Gold...you're a fucking idiot.

dr.dracco · « **Reply #1370 on:** March 1, 2011, 06:22:35 PM »

Quote from: lunnylad on March 1, 2011, 06:00:25 PM

If that's what you think then, in the words of Ari Gold...you're a fucking idiot.

Why? You think all of those mentioned are better?

Don´t call me idiot I didn´t insult you.

Dagger/Molby · « **Reply #1371 on:** March 1, 2011, 06:54:52 PM »

Quote from: dr.dracco on March 1, 2011, 06:22:35 PM

Why? You think all of those mentioned are better?

Don´t call me idiot I didn´t insult you.

You insult everybody in here who questions Skrtl - Many people on RAWK are LFC-lifetime supporters and we are dedicating our time to LFC and not a single player... Right now Dagger is important to me - but he was not even born the first time i sat my foot on Anfield.... The difference between you and 99% in here is that even though they have a favourite player now they are still here when the person is gone - You became a member in here when LFC bought Skrtl and you are out of here when he is - know your kind of supporters - where i come from we call it Plastique-supporters....

liverpooll · « **Reply #1372 on:** March 2, 2011, 05:35:13 PM »

His case reminds me of Ryan Babel.

Both were brought when they were young and were seen as potential good. Both had a good season as we all expected. However, after the first season, we of course will expect them to build upon that success, however, both lost their way and had started to perform really poor. The only difference is Babel did not play much while Skrtel played a lot as few defenders. More importantly, any poor performances will be more highlighted if the player is a defender or goalie.

SRAWL · « **Reply #1373 on:** March 2, 2011, 06:48:46 PM »

I would like to see Skrtel with Agger more regularly to be honest. There are matches where Skrtel has been woeful, and there have been games where he has been quite good, but he hardly ever has a consistent partner in CB.

Cid · « **Reply #1374 on:** March 2, 2011, 09:18:43 PM »

Did someone in here actually say Skrtel is as good as Hangeland?

I'd swap them without a second thought.

1 Strength
2 Aerial ability
3 Reading of the game
4 Calm under pressure
5 Strong tackling
6 Speed

These are the ingredients of a top class defender.

Skrtel has 5 & 6
Carra has 1 & 3 & 4 & 5
Agger has 1 & 3 & 4 & 5 & 6
Soto has 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & 5

Not much in it, but the weakest link stands out like a sore thumb.

Skrtel is awful at defending crosses, he falls over with the slightest nudge from a striker, he cannot read the game to save his life and if you put him under the slightest bit of pressure you can practically see the steam coming out of his ears until he randomly turns into a mess of backflipping arms and legs.

MushyP15 · « **Reply #1375 on:** March 2, 2011, 11:17:41 PM »

That is one monster of an internet argument you two just had. I've quite enjoyed it.

Tell me, are you selling tickets for round 2 tomorrow?

WEIRDOG · « **Reply #1376 on:** March 2, 2011, 11:21:17 PM »

He has been poor for a long while, but was fantastic for his first season and a half.

I still think he was pretty good with Carra and Agger in the back 3

Crazy_Jellyfish · « **Reply #1377 on:** March 3, 2011, 12:51:14 AM »

Quote from: Dagger/Molby on March 1, 2011, 09:59:03 AM

He is the problem - He is the one making all the wrong moves looking like a monkey on ice - He isn't a hardass at all like many has stated in here ( I have laughed my ass of when the childeating thing were told) When he meet forwards with class (Rooney, Tevez, Anelka ect) he really shows us that he isn't good enough for a topteam - he is just not strong enough and simply not good enough. No shit, He would struggle to be 1 choice in one of the Danish or Norwegian top 3 teams! A guy like that isn't cut as 1 choice CB in LFC - just like i have said all the time...

I am not necessarily disagreeing, but I think you are being a bit harsh on Skrtel here. For comparison, Zanka - Antonsson did not do too well against Torres - Anelka recently, did they? (back, back, back "oh, let him have a shot"). And they are probably the best defenders in the Scandinavian teams (?).

penga · « **Reply #1378 on:** March 3, 2011, 06:03:57 AM »

Skrtel is not as bad as everyone is making out. He has the best passing success rate and tackle success rate out of all our defenders so that has to count for SOMETHING (although some hater will just make up some excuse like he only passes to the goal keeper...

Of course he has some faults as most have already pointed out such as not being as good in the air as he should be, ball watching, etc. but attributes such as ball playing is actually decent - I've watched him closely, he doesn't hoof the ball anywhere near as much as people suggest (even under Hodgson) and he is quite a sharp passer going forward, in recent weeks we've even see him venture forward to the edge of the box on the dribble like Agger on a couple of occassions. He is the quickest CB we have and prefers playing in a high-line where he can attack the ball from behind the striker. His heading is generally good for a long ball and they go miles away of his head but he is poor at heading against crosses.

Scaryscouse · « **Reply #1379 on:** March 3, 2011, 07:56:43 AM »

In fairness the back 3 (I'm not sure who made the point and it's not having a go at them) is only papering over the cracks and hoping the sum of parts of 3 centre backs adds up to the qualities of the two we only really need. Agger is one I've argued over selling purely based on injuries is the finest centre back we have at the club, and whoever made the point about injuries is right. he is injury prone, but, he's too good to let go of.

Skrtel has stagnated, no doubt about it. The problem we face is we need another centre back. Skrtel can't cut it as first choice and sadly, I feel, neither can carra. So, one of them is thrid choice. We need another centre back. And that's assuming Agger stays fit.

Who's it to be Carra or Skertl? Soto for me has shown mmore than enough to be in our squad. Call himm shit or whatever, time and time again when we've needed passion and pure balls he's delivered over the last two seasons. And as a squad player, he stays in my mind. So, Carra or Skertl, if you ask me Ayala, Wilson and Kelly are going to replace one of them i reckon.

dr.dracco · « **Reply #1380 on:** March 3, 2011, 08:00:12 AM »

Quote from: Cid on March 2, 2011, 09:18:43 PM

Did someone in here actually say Skrtel is as good as Hangeland? I'd swap them without a second thought.

1 Strength
2 Aerial ability
3 Reading of the game
4 Calm under pressure
5 Strong tackling
6 Speed

These are the ingredients of a top class defender.

Skrtel has 5 & 6
Carra has 1 & 3 & 4 & 5
Agger has 1 & 3 & 4 & 5 & 6
Soto has 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & 5

Not much in it, but the weakest link stands out like a sore thumb.

Skrtel is awful at defending crosses, he falls over with the slightest nudge from a striker, he cannot read the game to save his life and if you put him under the slightest bit of pressure you can practically see the steam coming out of his ears until he randomly turns into a mess of backflipping arms and legs.

Don´t agree. Your opinion is very subjective, maybe as subjective as mine.

If you give the attribute 1( strength) to Agger you have to give it also to Skrtel. He is no weaker. Plus to give Agger 6 ( speed) must be fucking joke.

And Skrtel´s reading of the game is far from beeing none. He has made a dozens of quality interceptions during his time here, also this season we see him many time step out of defence and make strong interception.

So that would make 4 out of 6 as in Carra´s case, and when you take the attribute speed from Agger he will also be at 4 out of 6.

hitnrock · « **Reply #1381 on:** March 3, 2011, 09:26:01 AM »

i think the lad suffers from two things a lot.
1) he is good at everything but isn't brilliant at anything
2) the number of times he is put in the team,then out and in again
and the partners he'll have during these in and out times are all differant in their style of play

Dagger/Molby · « **Reply #1382 on:** March 3, 2011, 09:28:42 AM »

Quote from: Crazy_Jellyfish on March 3, 2011, 12:51:14 AM

I am not necessarily disagreeing, but I think you are being a bit harsh on Skrtel here. For comparison, Zanka - Antonsson did not do too well against Torres - Anelka recently, did they? (back, back, back "oh, let him have a shot"). And they are probably the best defenders in the Scandinavian teams (?).

First of all: I hate FC Copenhagen and are not trying to defend them - but the difference between CFC-LFC and FCC - CFC games are that in our game against CFC we had Carra and Dagger at the field to support. In the other game you had Zanka/Antonsson. Put Skrtl in with Zanka and i am sure he's performance would be worse than Antonssons. I am not harsh - just realistic!! Theres no doubt that he isn't a worldclass CB - not even a top15 PL CB....

Dirkismydad · « **Reply #1383 on:** March 3, 2011, 10:25:24 AM »

One of the main problems i see with skrtel is his inability to control position. when a ball is played aerially into a striker, top centre backs (or those dominant in the air) will control position to win the header. Skrtel doesnt do this enough, and when he doesnt, he either loses the header, or attempts to wrap his foot around the striker to clear which rarely works and allows the striker to bring in wide players, which then gives us problems as we have wide players high up the pitch at times when long balls are played against us. If he could sort his positional play off the ball, he would be well up there

adi1986 · « **Reply #1384 on:** March 3, 2011, 10:49:52 AM »

Quote from: Dagger/Molby on March 1, 2011, 09:59:03 AM

He is the problem - He is the one making all the wrong moves looking like a monkey on ice - He isn't a hardass at all like many has stated in here ( I have laughed my ass of when the childeating thing were told) When he meet forwards with class (Rooney, Tevez, Anelka ect) he really shows us that he isn't good enough for a topteam - he is just not strong enough and simply not good enough. No shit, He would struggle to be 1 choice in one of the Danish or Norwegian top 3 teams! A guy like that isn't cut as 1 choice CB in LFC - just like i have said all the time...

Cannot believe people actually bothered to reply to this tripe.

dr.dracco · « **Reply #1385 on:** March 3, 2011, 12:17:19 PM »

Quote from: adi1986 on March 3, 2011, 10:49:52 AM

Cannot believe people actually bothered to reply to this tripe.

It was not ment as a tripe. He actually thinks that it is a fact. :-)

Soap · « **Reply #1386 on:** March 3, 2011, 12:26:08 PM »

Fuck off dracco. Blinded by your love.

dr.dracco · « **Reply #1387 on:** March 3, 2011, 12:28:12 PM »

Quote from: El Rey on March 3, 2011, 12:26:08 PM

Fuck off dracco. Blinded by your love.

Did I say something wrong?

Soap · « **Reply #1388 on:** March 3, 2011, 01:55:12 PM »

Quote from: dr.dracco on March 3, 2011, 12:28:12 PM

Did I say something wrong?

You are defending, the indefensible.

dr.dracco · « **Reply #1389 on:** March 3, 2011, 02:04:22 PM »

Quote from: El Rey on March 3, 2011, 01:55:12 PM

You are defending, the indefensible.

It is a matter of opinion. The things I write are the things I believe are true. I do think that there is not much between him and Agger. I do think he is better then majority of PL centrebacks and I do think that it is fashionable to make him a scapegoat on here.

beejay · « **Reply #1390 on:** March 3, 2011, 02:31:30 PM »

Skrtel is gash, move on

Soap · « **Reply #1391 on:** March 3, 2011, 02:37:05 PM »

Quote from: dr.dracco on March 3, 2011, 02:04:22 PM

It is a matter of opinion. The things I write are the things I believe are true. I do think that there is not much between him and Agger. I do think he is better then majority of PL centrebacks and I do think that it is fashionable to make him a scapegoat on here.

Watch him carefully, he's our worst player, he's as bad as Poulsen in my eyes, i've been banned for my opinions on him before, so i'll leave it at that.

Carlito Roberto · « **Reply #1392 on:** March 3, 2011, 02:55:09 PM »

Skrtel has cost us so many goals this season, he's been nothing short of awful. It beggars belief there's people in here like this Dracco clown stating he's better than the majority of Premier League defenders. I can only assume he's in some way related to Skrtel...

drpepe · « **Reply #1393 on:** March 3, 2011, 02:59:51 PM »

Quote from: Carlito Roberto on March 3, 2011, 02:55:09 PM

Skrtel has cost us so many goals this season, he's been nothing short of awful. It beggars belief there's people in here like this Dracco clown stating he's better than the majority of Premier League defenders. I can only assume he's in some way related to Skrtel...

relative 'levels of quality' are quite difficult to judge objectively, however he's currently playing regularly in a team that is in the top half of the prem and has previosuly been much higher

ergo he's fully capable of operating at the top level without too much problem

he's not the best , but he's defo better than the majority imo

Raoul Duke · « **Reply #1394 on:** March 3, 2011, 03:05:39 PM »

Quote from: Cid on March 2, 2011, 09:18:43 PM

4 Calm under pressure

Carra has 1 & 3 & 4 & 5

He can be quite panicky when put under pressure, hence much of his hoofing.

Dagger/Molby · « **Reply #1395 on:** March 3, 2011, 03:16:14 PM »

Quote from: adi1986 on March 3, 2011, 10:49:52 AM

Cannot believe people actually bothered to reply to this tripe.

Is it that obvious that he can't even be first choice in these clubs??

dr.dracco · « **Reply #1396 on:** March 3, 2011, 03:18:29 PM »

Quote from: El Rey on March 3, 2011, 02:37:05 PM

Watch him carefully, he's our worst player, he's as bad as Poulsen in my eyes, i've been banned for my opinions on him before, so i'll leave it at that.

Worst player? Oh my good, leave it at that as you suggested is probably the best way how to deal with this situation.

And I do watch him carefully.

Carlito Roberto · « **Reply #1397 on:** March 3, 2011, 03:19:58 PM »

Quote from: drpepe on March 3, 2011, 02:59:51 PM

relative 'levels of quality' are quite difficult to judge objectively, however he's currently playing regularly in a team that is in the top half of the prem and has previosuly been much higher

ergo he's fully capable of operating at the top level without too much problem

he's not the best , but he's defo better than the majority imo

Recently he's cost us goals against Blackpool and West Ham among others.. That to me doesn't suggest 'he's fully capable of operating at the top level without too much problem". The top level is teams like Barcelona - so if he struggles against players like Carlton Cole at the bottom of the Premier League, how does that qualify him to contain the likes of Messi and Villa?

scatman · « **Reply #1398 on:** March 3, 2011, 03:26:19 PM »

Quote from: Raoul Duke on March 3, 2011, 03:05:39 PM

He can be quite panicky when put under pressure, hence much of his hoofing.

thank god someone replied with that

and strength for Carragher? that little West Ham player last year was pushing Carragher offf the ball with ease

shanks hankie · « **Reply #1399 on:** March 3, 2011, 03:49:29 PM »

Sometimes I look at Skrtel and think this lad could be one of the best defenders in Europe. He makes mistakes and I feel come on lad you are better then that.