Topic: Babel left out of squad

[Promised to never post on RAWK again]

Jones would be useful. Carra would love him.

Than again, I have a feeling that Torres would love him too, in the same way Bent loves to play with him ...

[LFC_4_life]

His 1st season flattered him a lot of the goals Ryan Babel got were when games were over and teams were beaten.

Like Arsenal in the CL Quarter Finals? Or Chelsea in the CL SF? Or the 1st goal agianst Luton in the FA Cup? Or Bolton in the league when it was 2-1? What about the 2nd goal against Derby?

Thats half of his goals.

[GTM1]

Jones is not good enough , hardly a great scoring record and bruce is fairly good at making players play. If he has issues with him, he will hate Rafa style.

he will be a flop i think..

[redtrev]

look is as simple as this re babel in my mind. the kid has talent not doubt but and its a big but the reason he is in the predicament he is in right now is he has a shite attitude. I mean come on, considering the position the club finds itself in at the moment and he is twittering his feelings to the public. Team player? my arse he is nothing but a selfish pre madona who it seems clear now i feel, wasnt mis quoted ALL those times in the past. id love to give him a slap to be honest. jesus he does my head in. get rid asap.

[Fordy]

Just cant understand Babel. Do he think he better than what he is? If so start bloody showing it.

Go to Sunderland, Birmingham and prove it to the world cause if you think your joining Madrid or someone like that your bloody dreaming and you can put that on your stupid Twitter site.

[geoffstrong]

Jones is not good enough , hardly a great scoring record and bruce is fairly good at making players play. If he has issues with him, he will hate Rafa style.

he will be a flop i think..

The doubters here are getting quicker he is already shit and we havnt signed him yet!

[mad_fer_it]

Maybe Babel thinks Rafa wont be around for that much longer under these circumstances and hopes a new boss will give him a better chance.

[Adeemo]

If he's as good as he thinks he is, he can fuck Sunderland off this time next year and join a big club worthy of his talents!

[Promised to never post on RAWK again]

Jones is not good enough , hardly a great scoring record and bruce is fairly good at making players play. If he has issues with him, he will hate Rafa style.

he will be a flop i think..

In that case, check out this one ...

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=70520.0

[Throxenby]

Just cant understand Babel. Do he think he better than what he is? If so start bloody showing it.

Go to Sunderland, Birmingham and prove it to the world cause if you think your joining Madrid or someone like that your bloody dreaming and you can put that on your stupid Twitter site.

exactly me reading of the problem. he thinks cos he was raved about hes made it. hes a roy evans signing, in that he thinks because hes signed for a big club, hes already made it. he thinks birmingham an sunderland are below him, yet has done nothing to substantiate that. i still dont understand how thick he can be to not realise that he doesnt understand why hes not in the team, when looking at the level of other players, but they apply themselves. how much might we of achieved had he knuckled down an made the right hand side his own.

[Daranoza]

Just cant understand Babel. Do he think he better than what he is? If so start bloody showing it.

Two Babel quotes: -

"I have confidence and faith. I just need other people to have confidence and faith in me." (paraphrasing - I don't 'do' twitterspeak)

"I expect to start against the likes of Chelsea..."

He thinks he's made it already. I think that it's always been a mental problem with him, an over-inflated arrogance. A belief that he's something that he never quite managed to be. He thinks he's a starter in a top four side when he's a squad player at best.

[rafathegaffa83]

I think Babel needs to go for the sake of his own career at this point. He's hardly endearing himself by saying stuff on his Twitter about injuries, when we need players putting in 110% to help continuing to build some form. If he truly wants to stay here, he should spend less time on Twitter and more time putting in extra hours at training.

[LFC_4_life]

Two Babel quotes: -


"I expect to start against the likes of Chelsea..."

He thinks he's made it already. I think that it's always been a mental problem with him, an over-inflated arrogance. A belief that he's something that he never quite managed to be. He thinks he's a starter in a top four side when he's a squad player at best.

Why shouldn't he start against the likes of Chelsea. This is the same Ryan Babel who scored a belter against Chelsea in the CL semi final. The same Babel that sunk Arsenal in the CL QF almost singlehandedly. Same Babel who sunk the Mancs and made Sergio Ramos look like a clown on the biggest stage.

Whenever Babel has played agaisnt the top teams, he has delivered.

[BIGdavalad]

This is the same Ryan Babel who scored a belter against Chelsea in the CL semi final.

Bruno Cheyrou scored a cracker against Chelsea once. He was shite too.

[Adeemo]

The same Babel that sunk Arsenal in the CL QF almost singlehandedly.

 

[LFC_4_life]

Bruno Cheyrou scored a cracker against Chelsea once. He was shite too.

So you decided to convieniently ignore the rest of my post. Shows your agenda.

[Daranoza]

Why shouldn't he start against the likes of Chelsea. This is the same Ryan Babel who scored a belter against Chelsea in the CL semi final. The same Babel that sunk Arsenal in the CL QF almost singlehandedly. Same Babel who sunk the Mancs and made Sergio Ramos look like a clown on the biggest stage.

Whenever Babel has played agaisnt the top teams, he has delivered.

If he can't deliver against smaller teams why should he expect to be starting against the top teams? It's one thing to work hard and hope to be named in a side but to do fuck all and then *expect* to play? To spit his dummy and whine that promises haven't been kept when he doesn't?

Like I said before, the promises made to him are on the basis that he gets his head down, works hard and shows the right mentality, the same as for any player. If he doesn't do those three simple things then he's in no position to expect anything at all.  Now, after royally spitting it all over the internet when we're in a bad enough position, media-wise, already, I'd be surprised if he got near the squad again.

[Promised to never post on RAWK again]

This is the same Ryan Babel who scored a belter against Chelsea in the CL semi final. The same Babel that sunk Arsenal in the CL QF almost singlehandedly. Same Babel who sunk the Mancs and made Sergio Ramos look like a clown on the biggest stage.

Whenever Babel has played agaisnt the top teams, he has delivered.

[Fordy]

Why shouldn't he start against the likes of Chelsea. This is the same Ryan Babel who scored a belter against Chelsea in the CL semi final. The same Babel that sunk Arsenal in the CL QF almost singlehandedly. Same Babel who sunk the Mancs and made Sergio Ramos look like a clown on the biggest stage.

Whenever Babel has played agaisnt the top teams, he has delivered.

Top players perform against average clubs as well though

Two Babel quotes: -

"I have confidence and faith. I just need other people to have confidence and faith in me." (paraphrasing - I don't 'do' twitterspeak)

"I expect to start against the likes of Chelsea..."

He thinks he's made it already. I think that it's always been a mental problem with him, an over-inflated arrogance. A belief that he's something that he never quite managed to be. He thinks he's a starter in a top four side when he's a squad player at best.

Only person he is kidding is himself. Think he knows it cause must players in Babels situation would of handed in a transfer request now to prove they're the bomb else where.

He thinks he is better than what he thinks and thats half of his problem as the manager doesnt rate him clearly.

[LFC_4_life]

If he can't deliver against smaller teams why should he expect to be starting against the top teams? It's one thing to work hard and hope to be named in a side but to do fuck all and then *expect* to play? To spit his dummy and whine that promises haven't been kept when he doesn't?

Like I said before, the promises made to him are on the basis that he gets his head down, works hard and shows the right mentality, the same as for any player. If he doesn't do those three simple things then he's in no position to expect anything at all. 

Fact is, he delivers agaisnt the big teams, so why shouldn't he expect to play. Babel is one of the few match winners that we have. He can change a game with a moment of brilliance and he has done it quite a few times. To not have him even on the bench puts us at a handicap.

[Daranoza]

Fact is, he delivers agaisnt the big teams, so why shouldn't he expect to play. Babel is one of the few match winners that we have. He can change a game with a moment of brilliance and he has done it quite a few times. To not have him even on the bench puts us at a handicap.

1. Because if he can't even be arsed to turn it on in the smaller games that come before the big games he doesn't deserve to represent the team in the big games. It also proves, indeed, that he's self-serving and not particularly interested in the club. The best players perform regardless of WHO we are playing.

2. He's seriously not a consistent match-winner and to think he is is deluded

3. To have him on the FIELD against smaller sides is like playing with ten men so how NOT having him on the bench is a 'handicap' I have no idea

[BIGdavalad]

So you decided to convieniently ignore the rest of my post. Shows your agenda.

Do you want a full list of all the shite players we've had who've scored/played well against big clubs? He's scored a few goals and had a few decent games. He's also had a lot of shite games, particularly in more mundane games which ended up affecting us just as badly as the big games would.

There's no point scoring against Man United if you're going to be shit against Stoke the next time you play. Playing well against Sergio Ramos is great, but letting Pascal Chimbonda put you in his pocket for 90 minutes hurts us just as much as if Ramos had.

Aside from anything else, I always imagine you like this fella when you're posting your latest ode to Ryan, the greatest striker in the world, Europe, Holland, his own head.

[Daranoza]

Hahaha "LEAVE BABEL ALOOOOONE..."

[Uhoh AureliOs]

It's not good news for LFC_4_life Babel.

Babel fined and set for swift exit after Benitez bust-up

Ryan Babel will be swiftly shipped out of Liverpool after a row with Rafa Benitez sealed his fate.

The Dutch striker has been hit with a fine of a week's wages – around £60,000 – and effectively told by manager Rafa Benitez that he has no future at the club, after a furious argument between the pair.

The Holland international stormed out of the Melwood training ground yesterday, following a confrontation with Benitez over his Twitter revelations on Friday.

Babel had infuriated his Reds manager by telling the world on his Twitter site that he had been dropped at the weekend.

 Yesterday Benitez hauled the out-of-favour star into his office to demand an explanation, and told him to axe the site immediately as he gave the forward a real dressing down.

While Benitez was furious with what he saw as such an unprofessional attitude, the player himself hit back by accusing his boss of ignoring calls from his agent Winnie Haatrecht, over a move.

Babel was informed the matter was being handled by Liverpool's chief scout Eduardo Macia, and to concentrate on actually playing well enough to even be in contention for the first team.

But the volatile Dutchman took that to mean he isn't wanted by the club, and he immediately stormed out.

He subsequently returned half an hour later following a telephone call, and Benitez will now hit the Dutchman in the pocket, to the tune of around £60,000.

The set-to is the most serious in a host of controversies surrounding Babel this season, and has sealed his fate after talks about a possible move to Sunderland or Birmingham.

He had to explain himself to Benitez after claiming he felt let down by the Kop boss earlier in the season, and only on Saturday he KO'd a potential trade for Sunderland striker Kenwyne Jones.

Benitez is hoping to offload the 23-year-old and bring in much-needed attacking power, especially with Fernando Torres out for six weeks with cartilage damage.

But Babel has rejected both moves out of hand, even though he now accepts he has reached the end of the Anfield road.

The player was in talks with his agent last night over his next move, but it seems only a matter of time before he departs, with Beşiktaş or Galatasaray a possible destination.

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Liverpool-striker-Ryan-Babel-fined-and-set-for-swift-exit-after-bust-up-with-boss-Rafa-Benitez-article291655.html

[jaffod]

It's not good news for LFC_4_life Babel.

Fucking good riddance. Only problem being the clubs he is linked with in that piece don't have the sort of money we would want.
 And 60 grand a week? Fucking hell.

[LFCfan4Life]

Fucking good riddance. Only problem being the clubs he is linked with in that piece don't have the sort of money we would want.
 And 60 grand a week? Fucking hell.

seriously doubt he is on that much as voronin, a free transfer, was on only £40kish

its one of those stories which is totally believable but easily made up

like ive said before i don't care if he goes as it will get us some cash for a player or paying down the debt but if Rafa lets him stay then Rafa HAS to start playing him

[USC19Babel]

Fuck him off quickly please Rafa.

[Dam Sodd]

Prick should be fined for putting this on twitter

can I claim some of the 60G? 

[lukeb1981]

he really is a bad egg, bloke is pure thick, he has been dropped before for the dutch team as he is always turning up late for training

[rafathegaffa83]

The Liverpool manager publicly challenged Babel to prove himself at Anfield. He said: "I was talking with Ryan one week ago and I explained the situation very clearly to him. After the meeting everything was fine.

"He was working and he was on the bench and he played against Reading. After this game I decided he would not be on the bench and that is it. If Ryan trains hard and is ready to play he will be available. If not, he won't be available."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jan/18/ryan-babel-cold-shouldered-liverpool

The door definitely hasn't been closed to him for the upteemth time. The ball is in Ryan's court. It's up to him now to show that he actually wants to stay here.

[LFCfan4Life]

The door definitely hasn't been closed to him for the upteemth time. The ball is in Ryan's court. It's up to him now to show that he actually wants to stay here.

well up to him to finally pull is finger out of his arse or fuck off

[Pissin all over the world]

Why didn't we take the 9 mill of The Brummies and run?

[phonic]

The guy has talent, there's no doubt about it, but it's just a case of when he can be arsed to show it. You can list all the games you want that he's "changed" or won for us, but it speaks volumes that they can be so easily reeled off after the amount of time he's been at the club. You could say that he's been treated unfairly by being left out on Saturday, but I don't see how, he's had chances to prove himself and 9 times out of 10, he's proved himself to be skillful, but also lazy. Saturday was not a game where we could afford to have a lazy player on the pitch, we needed 11 players ready to fight, Babel has never shown that he is willing to do that.

I'm sure if Babel had spent the minutes he has had on the pitch working his bollocks off and giving everything he had, he'd find himself getting more minutes and then more starts.

[Consigliere]

Kenwyn Jones? I bloody hope not.


Ryan Babel and Liverpool in confusion over offer to Sunderland

• Babel offered to Sunderland in exchange for Kenwyne Jones
• Forward left training ground in mix-up with back-room staff

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    * Andy Hunter
    * guardian.co.uk, Monday 18 January 2010 00.05 GMT
    * Article history

Ryan Babel

Ryan Babel has played a bitpart role at Liverpool since his arrival from Ajax in 2007. Photograph: Neal Simpson/Empics Sport

Rafael Benítez's strained relationship with Ryan Babel deteriorated further yesterday when the Liverpool forward left the club's Melwood training ground without permission after a misunderstanding over his Anfield future.

The Dutch international was called into the manager's office yesterday morning, having been omitted from the squad that drew at Stoke City on Saturday and offered to Sunderland in exchange for the striker Kenwyne Jones. Steve Bruce, the Sunderland manager, was not receptive to the proposal but Benítez may return with a cash bid for Jones should he manage to sell Babel before the close of the transfer window.

After the meeting with Benítez, Babel drove away from Melwood under the impression that he was not wanted at training. It took a phone call from a member of the Liverpool back-room team to inform the player that was not the case. He eventually returned to the training ground.

The Liverpool manager publicly challenged Babel to prove himself at Anfield. He said: "I was talking with Ryan one week ago and I explained the situation very clearly to him. After the meeting everything was fine.

"He was working and he was on the bench and he played against Reading. After this game I decided he would not be on the bench and that is it. If Ryan trains hard and is ready to play he will be available. If not, he won't be available."

[LFCfan4Life]

Kenwyn Jones? I bloody hope not

yep because the last thing we want is a big strong centre forward who can pass the ball on the ground, win it in the air and score goals just as much as he can assist goals

25 goals and 17 assists in 77 starts and 9 sub appearances

EDIT: and fast

[horne]

yep because the last thing we want is a big strong centre forward who can pass the ball on the ground, win it in the air and score goals just as much as he can assist goals

25 goals and 17 assists in 77 starts and 9 sub appearances

EDIT: and fast

the number of balls we get into the box and no one on the end of them is a footballing crime....ive been impressed by jones and dont forget,he is with a poorer side and still performs.
get him in i say if it is still possible!

[Promised to never post on RAWK again]

Kenwyn Jones?

Now, where did that came from ?

[MidwestWool]

The lad's attitude is very disappointing.

[Valore]

Do you want a full list of all the shite players we've had who've scored/played well against big clubs? He's scored a few goals and had a few decent games. He's also had a lot of shite games, particularly in more mundane games which ended up affecting us just as badly as the big games would.

There's no point scoring against Man United if you're going to be shit against Stoke the next time you play. Playing well against Sergio Ramos is great, but letting Pascal Chimbonda put you in his pocket for 90 minutes hurts us just as much as if Ramos had.

Aside from anything else, I always imagine you like this fella when you're posting your latest ode to Ryan, the greatest striker in the world, Europe, Holland, his own head.

Don't argue with BDL. He'll break your face Or at the very least, back over you with an armoured vehicle.

[Finn Solomon]

For fuck's sake, if he's sunk both moves to Birmingham and Sunderland I sincerely hope Rafa sticks him to rot in the reserves from now until the summer.