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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #440 on: January 11, 2010, 12:18:00 PM »
If you cant  figure it out for yourself well that your own problem, obiviously  you are a member of the  xabi alonso fan club and  he can  do no wrong, best of luck with that thinkin, wont even get into how  he cannoned us  up a  river and left us  for dead  but  best of luck fella figuring  this situation out.

Oh how utterly pathetic a response.

If we are so dependant on one player and without him we have been 'cannoned up a river' then we are in worse shape than I thought. Left for dead. A tad dramatic, don't you think? The fate of LFC did not lie solely on the shoulders of Xabi Alonso, nor should it have. We won without him. We'll win without him again. 

So - let me get this straight. Just because I can see that he was a 28 year old bloke who might never have actually been approached by a big club in his home country again and perhaps he wasn't as settled here as he had been before, I'm 'a member of his fan club?' I'm not a member of anyone's fan club. I support the team, not the players, but if a player leaves then I'm not going to jump all over his back about it and blame him for our current woes. Not unless he truly DID leave us in the shit like Owen did. We got 30 million for Alonso. What did we get for Owen?

Fan club. Right. It's nothing like that, mate. I just choose not to be bitter and blame our current form on one player.
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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #441 on: January 11, 2010, 12:18:20 PM »
Rafa's biggest mistake.

Most definately IMO

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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #442 on: January 11, 2010, 12:20:09 PM »
Even if he didn't, even if he started out with a plan which included both Alonso and Barry, I would say it was a mistake to think that, in order to finally get Barry, Alonso was an acceptable sacrifice.

The managers human at the end of the day, he can make mistakes and this was one of them.

See, I think he has made mistakes but he had to raise money for Barry after Parry sold him up the river. Who else did he have to sell to fund the move?

If he could have sold Keane back to Tottenham there and then to fund Barry, he would have. He had to wait 6 months to do so. And lo and behold, come this summer, Barry fucked us off.
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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #443 on: January 11, 2010, 12:21:35 PM »
Fair enough, but a post that calls an excellent player for us a shithouse (in any shape or form) is bank out of line in my opinion, expecially when that post gets quoted 10, 20 30 times by like minded idiots

I have explained myself, take it or leave it fella.

And I'm not an idiot, you shithouse.

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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #444 on: January 11, 2010, 12:21:48 PM »
hold on you want Alonso to come out and say something that isn't/wasn't the case just to suit some kind of "In Rafa we Trust Blindly" campaign?? 
Yes, I do. Not quite in the way you put it, but I wouldn't expect a balanced a viewpoint from you. You only see things black and white.

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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #445 on: January 11, 2010, 12:23:58 PM »
I have explained myself, take it or leave it fella.

And I'm not an idiot, you shithouse.

As I have said in the past Kris, I like reading your posts, and a lot of the time agree with you.

However I must admit, I do not entirely agree with you on this point, but despite some trying to slate you, you have come out and explained your reasons.

As you say each to their own, I agree that Alonso used this as the perfect excuse to exit, and I cant blame Rafa for looking to improve the squad when Alonso was not performing, however I cant go as far to call Alonso a shithouse.

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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #446 on: January 11, 2010, 12:26:11 PM »
See, I think he has made mistakes but he had to raise money for Barry after Parry sold him up the river. Who else did he have to sell to fund the move?
There's a few which spring to mind mate.  That's just my opinion.  Alonso would have been way, way down my 'To Sell' list.

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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #447 on: January 11, 2010, 12:29:10 PM »
There's a few which spring to mind mate.  That's just my opinion.  Alonso would have been way, way down my 'To Sell' list.
Same here, and I don't understand the need to get Barry in the first place.

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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #448 on: January 11, 2010, 12:31:26 PM »
There's a few which spring to mind mate.  That's just my opinion.  Alonso would have been way, way down my 'To Sell' list.

I would argue that if Jol's interest in Kuyt was true (given his form at the time), then possibly Dirk. But then we'd be losing our first choice right midfielder and a striker - something we lack which Rafa gets slated for now, despite not having any money to bring one in. People would moan we'd replaced an attacking player for a midfielder, 'negativity!' they would cry.

All in the past though now, what's happened happened, we move on. It's Liverpool FC, not Xabi Alonso FC.

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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #449 on: January 11, 2010, 12:32:06 PM »
Oh I agree mate. Liverpool without Rush would not have become the all-conquering team we loved so much. But I don't think the two situations are analogous. If you're right - and I'm assuming you are - it was Rush who first mentioned a transfer. With Rafa and Alonso it was obviously the other way round. It was the coach, not the player, who first said 'it's time to move on'. We can spin this anyway we like, but the reality is that Alonso was told he could find another club.

Plus, like I said, Paisley had the character and the perspicacity to deal with all sorts of players. Rafa's wonderful at lots of things but his man-management borders on the lousy. From what one hears (and I know there's bullshit out there) the relationship between Rafa and Alonso went from very close to very distant almost overnight. Alonso has been on record saying that their relationship in the last season was 'professional'. He's being kind. It was non-existent.

That's worrying because Rafa now has the exact same relationship with Mascherano - or had, until the Fulham game (perhaps things have changed since then, I don't know).   

I think every manager has his idiosyncrasies mate. Even Shanks and Paisley had modes of behaviour that would raise more than a few eyebrows today.
Think of Shank’s treatment of injured players and his comments about the opposition in his press conferences. Think about the Craig Johnston substitution and Paisleys comments about the Liverpool supporters reaction to it.

Take a look down the M62 at a man who’s life if riddled with erratic behaviour towards his players and their professional respect for him rather than affection.
Brian Clough punching Roy Keane in the face for a bad back pass or hiding in office under the desk in the dark so he didn’t have to speak to Graeme Taylor.

I have no idea of what relationship Mascherano has with Benitez first hand, but from what I do know he doesn’t have a problem with the players. Those that leave the club are usually an indicator of how they view the manager and only Pennant has come out with anything that could be described as a criticism.

The majority of the stories coming out are merely products of  fertile minds when things are going poorly in my opinion.
If they were all true then it would seem that Rafa doesn’t get on with anyone except Kuyt.

The deal with Alonso isn’t about man management skills. I don’t recall any comments from Alonso about leaving because he didn’t get on with the manager. Merely that he felt he couldn’t stay after they said they needed to sell him to raise cash. Hence the Dalglish comparison.

The bottom line is he wanted to go for his own reasons and put in a transfer request, I don’t think Benitez should take all of the blame for that in much the same way Paisley or Dalglish would or should have for Rush.
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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #450 on: January 11, 2010, 12:35:32 PM »
The bottom line is he wanted to go for his own reasons and put in a transfer request, I don’t think Benitez should take all of the blame for that in much the same way Paisley or Dalglish would or should have for Rush.

Going along that same line of thought, should Alonso really be demonised for having personal reasons to leave? Does the fact that he went erase everything that went before and put him into the same category as your Stan Collymores and your El Hadje Dioufs, i.e. players who nobody can stand now that they have gone?
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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #451 on: January 11, 2010, 12:36:31 PM »
All in the past though now, what's happened happened, we move on. It's Liverpool FC, not Xabi Alonso FC.
Indeed.

Anyway, on a positive note, I think Aquilani is looking like a good signing.  I know it's early but the guy has a lot class about him when on the ball, great balance and vision.  I look forward to seeing him play more often.

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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #452 on: January 11, 2010, 12:37:27 PM »
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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #453 on: January 11, 2010, 12:37:55 PM »
See, I think he has made mistakes but he had to raise money for Barry after Parry sold him up the river. Who else did he have to sell to fund the move?

If he could have sold Keane back to Tottenham there and then to fund Barry, he would have. He had to wait 6 months to do so. And lo and behold, come this summer, Barry fucked us off.

Agree with this, Rafa's hands were tied and he was doing what he thought was best for the club. I'm sure he'd do things differently if he had hindsight, but that's the trouble with hindsight innit?

But that doesn't stop Alonso suddenly switching his opinion as well- when it came down to it, *he* was the one deemed expendable. Not anyone else, but him. Other players could have been sold to fund Barry, and others could have been forgone in terms of buying them in (no Dossena and Babel sold at that time would probably have funded Barry for example...)

The funny thing is, I'm seeing a lot of people on here who've suddenly switched their opinions. Because many did seem to think Barry in, Alonso out would be a good move.

Also, I disagree with Alonso *and* Barry in the same team. I think Rafa wanted 3 in the middle, Mascherano anchoring CM, Gerrard and Barry either side in a narrow position- supporting Torres, Keane/Babel and Kuyt. There's no place for Alonso in that formation as he's nowhere near mobile enough to make it work, hence why the pretty static 2 man holding midfield suited us better when he was around, and isn't suiting us now that he's gone.

As for Barry fucking us over. I'm not surprised- we made him look like a c*nt; he came out publicly and told everyone he wanted to come to us, and in the end he had to stay as we didn't buy him afterall.

Looking back on it, Rafa could have done things a lot better, and I'm sure he'd think the same. But as I said, hindsight's brilliant. Also, we've ended up with Aquilani and he wants to smash the world, so let's have some of that.

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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #454 on: January 11, 2010, 12:41:28 PM »
There is a major difference though between Paisley/Rush and Rafa/alonso.  Firstly Rush was a young and inexperienced player and person.  Secondly Paisley didn't actually try to sell Rush, he gave him a bollocking, Rush might have felt he'd be on the transfer list but thats a long way from the Rafa/Alonso situation where he was actually being sold to fund a replacement

I didn't say Paisley put him on the transfer list or that Rush was anything other than a player with potential. On the contrary.
The point being that Rush did what was expected of him, believing he was on the transfer list.
He could have actually asked for a transfer and played shite. Nobody would have batted an eye lid if he had gone.
Paisley wouldn't have been criticised for selling just another kid with potential.

The point is that Alonso could have stayed and chose not to because the club were prepared to sell him to raise funds.

Similar to Dalglish and the sale of Rush to Juventus.
No criticism of Dalglish or anyone saying he didn't have good man management skills at the time either.
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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #455 on: January 11, 2010, 12:42:36 PM »
stuff

Call me  bitter if you wish, end of day he did screw us over(chk my posts I loved  the guy to bits), we have moved on  but  it's taken half a season, probably longer the way things are going, thats how  important he was to our  first team.

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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #456 on: January 11, 2010, 12:43:47 PM »
Going along that same line of thought, should Alonso really be demonised for having personal reasons to leave? Does the fact that he went erase everything that went before and put him into the same category as your Stan Collymores and your El Hadje Dioufs, i.e. players who nobody can stand now that they have gone?

I don't recall demonising Alonso in any of my posts so I'm not sure why you are addressing that question to me.


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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #457 on: January 11, 2010, 12:43:48 PM »
Yeah right Xabi...wasevah..
Nothing to do with taxes and paycheck, or sunshine and your wife and kid...
Blame Barry and Rafa, easy enough.
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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #458 on: January 11, 2010, 12:48:22 PM »
just another player to get moved on when we needed the money

wasn't rafa's biggest mistake by a long shot

£30m rising to £35m is good business, money we would never have got again

its taken 6 months for Aquilani to start playing but atleast he looks more like the sort of player we need to get pass and move back into the side
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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #459 on: January 11, 2010, 12:52:28 PM »
According to a Spanish journalist who is supposed to be in the known (not Balague) the relationship between both of them was bad, at least in the last months. Also they didn't talk to each other, so there was a lot of tension between them.

 I recall too, the same journalist said that Xabi got very upset when Rafa told him he wouldn't let him go to Real Madrid. "You wanted to get rid of me by selling me to Juventus the previous season, what's wrong now?" I interpret it, as, Rafa, at least from Xabi's point of view broke their confidence relation, so Xabi eventually decided his own way by wanting to go to another club.


I can categorically tell you that your information is absolutely IN-CORRECT.

Rafa spoke to Alonso's agent several times on the phone and face to face meetings with Purslow present...and there were no face to face discussions behind closed doors between rafa and alonso alone on the subject of the transfer.

Rafa repeated his desire to the agent that the club wanted him to stay but it was already a done deal as early as mid May after the Madrid elections that the club knew he was leaving.

I know so because the guy who handled Alonso's sponsorship deals used to work together with me and knew what was going on for the longest time...and the fact he was leaving even before the season had ended.

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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #460 on: January 11, 2010, 12:54:56 PM »
I wish people would stop with the "rafa's biggest mistake" nonsense. The guy had to be sold in order for us to sign Barry and Keane and we also needed to fill the english quota with a player who could play week in and week out with a good work engine in the middle of the park, could score goals, create goals and was versatile...Alonso had a poor season the season before anyways and it was only because Juventus didn't want to add an extra 5 million and couldn't agree on the payment installments that the sale didn't go through.

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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #461 on: January 11, 2010, 12:58:51 PM »
I wish people would stop with the "rafa's biggest mistake" nonsense. The guy had to be sold in order for us to sign Barry and Keane and we also needed to fill the english quota
That's certainly nonsense! How was the 'English quota' helped by selling Keane four months later? Let alone by replacing Alonso with Aquilani? 

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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #462 on: January 11, 2010, 12:59:45 PM »
Jesus christ, there are some real romantics on here....

Rafa's biggest mistake? Not on your nelly its not

Sure Alonso is a class player and seems a classy fella.

But to shift the blame on Rafa's persuit of Barry, for him jumping ship (yes, jumping ship), is probably the most classless thing he would of done.

He knew what he was doing when he said this stuff. And in a way, it is shithouse behaviour

Some people just lap this shit up

My conclusion on the matter

Xabi signed for us
Had a good two seasons
Injuries and struggle to find form for two seasons
Benitez would of sold him had the money been right
Bentez wanted Gareth Barry the same summer (Not at a cost of Alonso leaving, had the money been there, we would of started las season with both)
Xabi finds his form, has his best season for us
Attracts interest from Madrid
Tells Rafa he wants to go
Their relationship breaks down to an extent
He goes to Madrid.
Gives interview to keep liverpool fans onside, he left because Rafa wanted Barry

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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #463 on: January 11, 2010, 01:03:12 PM »
Bias aside - How is Alonso doing at Madrid?
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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #464 on: January 11, 2010, 01:03:59 PM »
Bias aside - How is Alonso doing at Madrid?
I dont get to see La Liga at all.

Bias aside...he's doing what he does best.

He really is a fantastic player!
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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #465 on: January 11, 2010, 01:07:26 PM »
Bias aside...he's doing what he does best.

He really is a fantastic player!
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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #466 on: January 11, 2010, 01:09:35 PM »
Jesus christ, there are some real romantics on here....

Rafa's biggest mistake? Not on your nelly its not

Sure Alonso is a class player and seems a classy fella.

But to shift the blame on Rafa's persuit of Barry, for him jumping ship (yes, jumping ship), is probably the most classless thing he would of done.

He knew what he was doing when he said this stuff. And in a way, it is shithouse behaviour

Some people just lap this shit up

My conclusion on the matter

Xabi signed for us
Had a good two seasons
Injuries and struggle to find form for two seasons
Benitez would of sold him had the money been right
Bentez wanted Gareth Barry the same summer (Not at a cost of Alonso leaving, had the money been there, we would of started las season with both)
Xabi finds his form, has his best season for us
Attracts interest from Madrid
Tells Rafa he wants to go
Their relationship breaks down to an extent
He goes to Madrid.
Gives interview to keep liverpool fans onside, he left because Rafa wanted Barry

Am I missing anything?

Spot on.

When Rafa tried to sell Xabi after a couple of indifferent seasons (backed up by the fact that no other teams wanted to sign him for around £16m), our supporters took their stances. One year later - and after a brilliant season for Xabi - the fans that wanted him to stay are still going on about how right they were in the first place. But it could have been so different. He could have had another mediocre season and we have struggled to sell him for what we paid for him in the first place.

It's all about chance.

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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #467 on: January 11, 2010, 01:11:39 PM »
That's certainly nonsense! How was the 'English quota' helped by selling Keane four months later? Let alone by replacing Alonso with Aquilani? 

It wasn't...because everything went belly up once we sold Keane..and then couldn't get Barry over the summer since he went to Man City instead..the plan was still to sign Barry...and we know how that turned out.

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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #468 on: January 11, 2010, 01:12:06 PM »
I'll never understand why people think he 'sold us down the river', other than the fact that he left.
We got £30m for him, he never complained, he simply wanted to leave.

If you've got issues with the reasons he's giving, fine, but selling us down the river he certainly didn't IMO. And how can people lump him in the same abuse stakes as McManaman and Owen etc?

People's main issue with him seems to be simply that he left, not WHY he left.
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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #469 on: January 11, 2010, 01:12:30 PM »
Spot on.

When Rafa tried to sell Xabi after a couple of indifferent seasons (backed up by the fact that no other teams wanted to sign him for around £16m), our supporters took their stances. One year later - and after a brilliant season for Xabi - the fans that wanted him to stay are still going on about how right they were in the first place. But it could have been so different. He could have had another mediocre season and we have struggled to sell him for what we paid for him in the first place.

It's all about chance.

It's not really chance though is it?It's about making the right call.Six of one half a dozen of the other to me.I think Alonso and Rafa could have done better.

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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #470 on: January 11, 2010, 01:13:31 PM »
Bias aside - How is Alonso doing at Madrid?
I dont get to see La Liga at all.

He is sitting back and in the middle of the park and spraying balls across the pitch and doing well...
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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #471 on: January 11, 2010, 01:13:42 PM »
I don't care whose fault it was in the first place, he's gone and he ain't coming back so why keep going over it.  I just wish he would shut the fuck up about it, so we don't have to keep having these endless fucking discussions about it.  You play for Real now Xabi, talk about them for a fucking change will you.
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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #472 on: January 11, 2010, 01:14:03 PM »
Some people just can't help but put the boot in on Rafa at every fucking opportunity. He done fuck all wrong. The reason Xabi Alonso is now a Real Madrid player is because of Xabi Alonso, not because of Rafa.

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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #473 on: January 11, 2010, 01:15:09 PM »
It's not really chance though is it?It's about making the right call.Six of one half a dozen of the other to me.I think Alonso and Rafa could have done better.

Ever occured to you the main problems had to do with our financial situation to start with?
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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #474 on: January 11, 2010, 01:15:15 PM »
I don't care whose fault it was in the first place, he's gone and he ain't coming back so why keep going over it.  I just wish he would shut the fuck up about it, so we don't have to keep having these endless fucking discussions about it.  You play for Real now Xabi, talk about them for a fucking change will you.

How do you know it's not just a recycled interview he gave months ago? Or is it just another excuse to hammer the lad?
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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #475 on: January 11, 2010, 01:15:32 PM »
I don't care whose fault it was in the first place, he's gone and he ain't coming back so why keep going over it.  I just wish he would shut the fuck up about it, so we don't have to keep having these endless fucking discussions about it.  You play for Real now Xabi, talk about them for a fucking change will you.

I know some people just go on and on about the subject don't they?Especially in a thread about it.

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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #476 on: January 11, 2010, 01:16:01 PM »
I don't care whose fault it was in the first place, he's gone and he ain't coming back so why keep going over it.  I just wish he would shut the fuck up about it, so we don't have to keep having these endless fucking discussions about it.  You play for Real now Xabi, talk about them for a fucking change will you.

Not his fault if the media keep repeating the same questions over and over again......and asking the samw questions over and over again........fault lies with the newspaper and journalist in question
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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #477 on: January 11, 2010, 01:16:46 PM »
To be honest, Alonso isn't doing himself any favours by saying this NOW, rather than when he left.

I'm a bit disappointed in him to be honest coming out with this now, I thought he was more honest than that.
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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #478 on: January 11, 2010, 01:17:49 PM »
Ever occured to you the main problems had to do with our financial situation to start with?

No,thanks for that.It's the first I've heard that LFC might have money troubles.

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Re: Alonso: Barry forced me out
« Reply #479 on: January 11, 2010, 01:18:55 PM »
Delighted.
Top lad.
Not seen him once in Madrid shirt, but the type of player I would go to the pub have a pint and watch.
Love to see him wield the axe and knock Chelsea or United out of CL.

I saw him playing a few weeks ago. Ronaldo scored and ran to the sideline with his arms out stretched, then Xabi entered the picture and hugged him, 5 seconds later Arbeloa jumped on the two of them. It was a must see moment for any Liverpool fan.