Topic: Emails From the Hicks Clan

[Something Else]

Well, I still go the game and will continue to give my support/money to the club. I am in favour of a mass non attendance maybe the Reading game as that will be on ITV. The club will have taken my money for that game which I won't mind as I feel a sell out game with all the fans outside singing will have far more affect.

It would certainly be a bloody good start fella.

How many others would be willing to do it however is the problem preventing it from happening

[El Rey]

I reckon a boycott on all merchandise is possible

Just need someone clever to work out how it could happen?

I'm NOT that person!!!

That possiblity has to be tryed..... Or 100% seriously thought about....

fucking hell you can buy Liverpool Jeans

http://store.liverpoolfc.tv/products/mens/mensbottoms/italia-jeans/pid-27732

Bet Some twats bought this  http://store.liverpoolfc.tv/products/accessories/furniture/apollo-with-adjustable-arms/pid-apollo3

Someone better tell Patrick Barclay that if we sell Gerrard that half our fucking merchandise gone http://store.liverpoolfc.tv/products/souvenirs/gerrard

Thousands of reds are happy to pay the £48 e season ticket Boycott that? focus the boycott on that first!!!!

We can't Boycott merchandise as it pays the players!!!!
But it also funds Hicks and Gillette!!!!

Wait until the summer when Mascherano would have been sold and his replacement is................Jay Spearing

The Facts are we will have nothing to spend in the summer just like we didn't last summer (and don't reply with what your going to reply to that)

By the summer a large number of Liverpool fans will be calling for Rafa's head CL place or not, FA cup or not...... (you know the sort of fans the soccer Am WHO R YA crowd)
The press will ramp up there Rafa has spent £300m on shite players bullshit....



Could all Message Boards and Fan Sites be rebranded???

Have the clear message on top of the homepage and top banner exactly want the yanks are responsible for?

Get someone to Hack the official site

[geoffstrong]

He says we are stuck with them because the majority of our fans want to support their lifestyles.

1.  In reality we are stuck with them regardless of what we want.
2.  I don't think any of our fans want to support their lifestyles
3.  Some of us may in some small way help to fund the current owners through going to the game, including 90% of the membership of SoS.  It doesn't mean they are happy with that situation.

As I said. Stupid thing to say.

We are stuck with them because moores and parry wanted to greatly improve their lifestyles!  While we spew bile correctly at these feckless yanks remember who foisted them on us just for personal greed!

[El Rey]

It would certainly be a bloody good start fella.

How many others would be willing to do it however is the problem preventing it from happening

Although the club would be getting the money, it would send one hell of a message out to the press.

[horne]

You really haven't thought this through have you.


1. You and 1 million other fans may love the club -  they don't it means nothing to them, but a means to make money.

2. We should stop giving the owners our money -   Once we do that and profits start to fall what do you think they will do. I'll tell you.- you can say goodbye to Torres, Gerrard,Mascherano(probably going      anyway) Reina, Agger, Johnson etc cause they will sell off the valuable players.

3. Once they right off the debt, the club becomes sellable. So by selling the players above and more that would reduce the club debt by more than half. OK we may not be a successful club anymore, but that won't bother them because the club becomes more of an attraction to would be buyers. They may sell the club for £250 million and then we're back to square one with the debt probably back on the club.

4. whether we like it or not we have to keep handing over our money.

5. What would cause more of a story would be if the game was sold out but no fans entered the ground. Think of the impact that would have on THEM.

would that not reduce the worth of the club so they would get less money for it to the value of gerrard torres and masch?...in fact i think it would take the value even lower,because for sake of argument,to buy them back again,it would cost in agents fees and increased wage demands....cant believe im actually goging through all this but....you know what i mean.backward step selling your best assets.i wouldnt do it if i stood to lose  15o million between me and a partner.
the only way they can make money out of the club is

 1 to lose the greed and take less-      possible

2 make the club even more successful-     that will take keeping yer best players and adding to them by putting yer hand in yer pocket.
or

3 building the stadium surrounded by money spinning ventures -  possible

i dont see how selling yer best....gets yer profit?

[Veinticinco de Mayo]

Mel, removed your post because your maths was flawed and the numbers have been done to death.  Leave it be.

[paranoidmike]

would that not reduce the worth of the club so they would get less money for it to the value of gerrard torres and masch?...in fact i think it would take the value even lower,because for sake of argument,to buy them back again,it would cost in agents fees and increased wage demands....cant believe im actually goging through all this but....you know what i mean.backward step selling your best assets.i wouldnt do it if i stood to lose  15o million between me and a partner.
the only way they can make money out of the club is

 1 to lose the greed and take less-      possible

2 make the club even more successful-     that will take keeping yer best players and adding to them by putting yer hand in yer pocket.
or

3 building the stadium surrounded by money spinning ventures -  possible

i dont see how selling yer best....gets yer profit?

because you can sell for a lot less and still make a good profit.  lets just say for arguments sake the club sold Torres £50 million (could be a lot more) Mascherano £30 million, Gerrard £20million (his age would keep the price down) that's £100 million taken off the clubs debt without costing the owners a penny. So now they could sell the club for £300 million which is a more realistic amount and walk away with a profit of £75million each.

[4pool]

Mel, removed your post because your maths was flawed and the numbers have been done to death.  Leave it be.

Ok. No problems.

Used lfc history net as the source of the figures as I suspected that would be acceptable to most.

edit: Life of a mod, eh. Lol. Better you than me. 

[west_london_red]

because you can sell for a lot less and still make a good profit.  lets just say for arguments sake the club sold Torres £50 million (could be a lot more) Mascherano £30 million, Gerrard £20million (his age would keep the price down) that's £100 million taken off the clubs debt without costing the owners a penny. So now they could sell the club for £300 million which is a more realistic amount and walk away with a profit of £75million each.

They cant get £300 million for the club now, never mind after selling 3 of its 4 best players.

[paranoidmike]

They cant get £300 million for the club now, never mind after selling 3 of its 4 best players.

yeah they could and they would only make £20 million each. As a business man what would make more sense to you.

[Franky]

They cant get £300 million for the club now, never mind after selling 3 of its 4 best players.

but if they've sold 3 of the best players as you say, then the asking price for the club would NOT be 300m, because they'd have gotten half of the money they were initially asking from players' sale... at that point they'd ask 150m for a Liverpool with no Gerrard, no Masch, no Torres.... and certainly no Rafa(after the sales).

[ali]

Owner's son Tom Hicks Junior apologises to Liverpool FC fan for sending abusive email

Jan 10 2010 Dominic King


* READ the original Blood Red column that sparked the exchange here

TOM HICKS JR has apologised to a Liverpool supporter after he was accused of sending an abusive email.

The Dallas based Liverpool director and son of co-owner Tom Hicks Senior was contacted by Stephen Horner, a concerned fan, who emailed him an extract of a Liverpool Echo article published this weekend.

The extract contained a series of points raised in the Football Echo's Blood Red Column this weekend. The article analysed and explored the challenges facing Rafa Benitez.

But just before 4am in Texas yesterday (10am in England), Hicks Jr sent one reply calling Mr Horner “an idiot”.

He then sent another email – this time with Liverpool’s financial and commercial directors Philip Nash and Ian Ayre copied in – which told Horner: “Blow me f*** face. Go to Hell. I’m sick of you.”

Mr Horner says he was shocked by the outburst but late last night, he was again contacted by Hicks Jr, this time to say sorry for the incident.

The email read: “Stephen, I apologize for losing my temper and using bad language with you. It was a kneejerk reaction. Tommy”

Liverpool – who have sold Andriy Voronin and Andrea Dossena this weekend to Dinamo Moscow and Napoli respectively – were not making any comment today on the incident but the club insist neither Mr Nash or Mr Ayre received the original email.

This is not the first time that Hicks Jr has clashed with Liverpool supporters.

He was at the centre of a heated row in the Sandon Pub, near Anfield, in February 2008 after the Reds had beaten Middlesbrough 3-2.

Regardless of whether Hicks Jr has apologised, though, Paul Rice – Chairman of Spirit of Shankly – believes the Texan has made his position on the board untenable.

He said: “It is totally indefensible for a director of the club to speak to a fan in that manner. The comment is unbecoming of a director of Liverpool FC.”

Horner himself said today: "The email that I sent on Saturday morning to Tom Hicks Senior, George Gillett and Tom Hicks Jnr was merely a link to the Liverpool Echo article, 'Rafa Benitez should not have to manage Liverpool FC's debt', where I copied and pasted the pertinent points made in the article.

"I was polite and offered no personal view on the article, but felt compelled to send the article to the owners as it succinctly covered all of the main concerns that we as supporters have with the current situation; namely the £240M debt which Hicks and Gillett have loaded onto the club, the lack of investment in the playing squad and the false promises over the New Stadium.

"We are totally hamstrung as a result of the leveraged buy out by Hicks and Gillett, and cannot move forward as a Football club on or off the field.

"We finished 2nd in the league last season, and should have kicked on this season. There should have been investment in the playing squad in the summer and yet we have invested less than we recouped through player sales.

"We will continue to regress whilst Hicks and Gillett are owners of this worldwide institution. I am sick and tired of the propaganda and spin that is coming out of Liverpool Football Club.

"It is time for honesty. We exist to win trophies, not to pay off debts that have been loaded onto the club by others.

"The damage has been done by Hicks initial two email messages that he sent me on Saturday morning, and the apology received later in the day is hollow and probably a PR exercise.

He added: "The Gillett and Hicks reign has been nothing short of disastrous and they have proved time and time again that they are not fit and proper custodians of this special Football Club which means so much to so many people around the world. I urge former Chairman David Moores to now step forward and speak out, and admit his fatal mistake in selling to Gillett and Hicks.

"Hicks Junior should resign with immediate effect and it is time that Gillett and Hicks sold up and handed the reigns over to people who understand "The Liverpool Way".

"They are not welcome at Anfield and should name their price and begin negotiations with more suitable investors who can take this great club forward."

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2010/01/10/owner-s-son-tom-hicks-junior-apologises-to-liverpool-fc-fan-for-sending-abusive-email-100252-25566448/

[Veinticinco de Mayo]

Excellent response from the lad that.  Thanks for posting Ali

[4pool]

but if they've sold 3 of the best players as you say, then the asking price for the club would NOT be 300m, because they'd have gotten half of the money they were initially asking from players' sale... at that point they'd ask 150m for a Liverpool with no Gerrard, no Masch, no Torres.... and certainly no Rafa(after the sales).

Err, i know what you're trying to do but you've still got it wrong.

They bought the club for just under 200mil off the old shareholders. They are not likely to lose money by selling at 150 mil because they have sold some players.

Just paying off the debt is not enough. They are not going to walk away knowing the club is increasing in value. That revenue streams from new commercial sponsor deals and tv are going up and this means the club is worth more.

The debate over what the club is worth is more than just book value and debt. It also includes future value. And hence why G&H put whatever figure it is on the club. The next owner will realize this potential to make themselves money. G&H aren't going to walk away at "evens" plus 20mil. If they stay, they make more than 20 mil when they sell later on in X years time.

And they will make more even if we drop to mid table obscurity because the League as a whole will increase in value. Just the same as Everton are worth more now than 2-5 years ago. Everton don't have a new ground and aren't top 4. Everton will be worth more in 2-5 more years as well. Kenwright isn't lowering his asking price for his club either.

[paranoidmike]

but if they've sold 3 of the best players as you say, then the asking price for the club would NOT be 300m, because they'd have gotten half of the money they were initially asking from players' sale... at that point they'd ask 150m for a Liverpool with no Gerrard, no Masch, no Torres.... and certainly no Rafa(after the sales).

NO, the asking price for the club at the moment is in excess of £500 million or so we are led to believe. With the debt standing at £240million they are looking to make a profit of £130million each, again this is pure speculation by the media. So based on them facts, they are trying to sell a club they bought for £200million for £500million which no one is interested in. The debt is reducing and could reduce greatly if they sold some of our best players. Yes, you are right the club would not be worth as much if they sold some of our better players, but we are looking at the profit they expect to make not what the club is worth. For instance if they sold all our best players and wiped out the debt completely, with the clubs income over the year from outside sources (non football) being in excess of  £50million then the club could still be valued at £300million. One poll had the value of the club at over £1billlion. So you see they can do more or less what they like with this club and still make a handsome profit.

[LiverpoolFaCupFan]

Owner's son Tom Hicks Junior apologises to Liverpool FC fan for sending abusive email

Jan 10 2010 Dominic King


* READ the original Blood Red column that sparked the exchange here

TOM HICKS JR has apologised to a Liverpool supporter after he was accused of sending an abusive email.

The Dallas based Liverpool director and son of co-owner Tom Hicks Senior was contacted by Stephen Horner, a concerned fan, who emailed him an extract of a Liverpool Echo article published this weekend.

The extract contained a series of points raised in the Football Echo's Blood Red Column this weekend. The article analysed and explored the challenges facing Rafa Benitez.

But just before 4am in Texas yesterday (10am in England), Hicks Jr sent one reply calling Mr Horner “an idiot”.

He then sent another email – this time with Liverpool’s financial and commercial directors Philip Nash and Ian Ayre copied in – which told Horner: “Blow me f*** face. Go to Hell. I’m sick of you.”

Mr Horner says he was shocked by the outburst but late last night, he was again contacted by Hicks Jr, this time to say sorry for the incident.

The email read: “Stephen, I apologize for losing my temper and using bad language with you. It was a kneejerk reaction. Tommy”

Liverpool – who have sold Andriy Voronin and Andrea Dossena this weekend to Dinamo Moscow and Napoli respectively – were not making any comment today on the incident but the club insist neither Mr Nash or Mr Ayre received the original email.

This is not the first time that Hicks Jr has clashed with Liverpool supporters.

He was at the centre of a heated row in the Sandon Pub, near Anfield, in February 2008 after the Reds had beaten Middlesbrough 3-2.

Regardless of whether Hicks Jr has apologised, though, Paul Rice – Chairman of Spirit of Shankly – believes the Texan has made his position on the board untenable.

He said: “It is totally indefensible for a director of the club to speak to a fan in that manner. The comment is unbecoming of a director of Liverpool FC.”

Horner himself said today: "The email that I sent on Saturday morning to Tom Hicks Senior, George Gillett and Tom Hicks Jnr was merely a link to the Liverpool Echo article, 'Rafa Benitez should not have to manage Liverpool FC's debt', where I copied and pasted the pertinent points made in the article.

"I was polite and offered no personal view on the article, but felt compelled to send the article to the owners as it succinctly covered all of the main concerns that we as supporters have with the current situation; namely the £240M debt which Hicks and Gillett have loaded onto the club, the lack of investment in the playing squad and the false promises over the New Stadium.

"We are totally hamstrung as a result of the leveraged buy out by Hicks and Gillett, and cannot move forward as a Football club on or off the field.

"We finished 2nd in the league last season, and should have kicked on this season. There should have been investment in the playing squad in the summer and yet we have invested less than we recouped through player sales.

"We will continue to regress whilst Hicks and Gillett are owners of this worldwide institution. I am sick and tired of the propaganda and spin that is coming out of Liverpool Football Club.

"It is time for honesty. We exist to win trophies, not to pay off debts that have been loaded onto the club by others.

"The damage has been done by Hicks initial two email messages that he sent me on Saturday morning, and the apology received later in the day is hollow and probably a PR exercise.

He added: "The Gillett and Hicks reign has been nothing short of disastrous and they have proved time and time again that they are not fit and proper custodians of this special Football Club which means so much to so many people around the world. I urge former Chairman David Moores to now step forward and speak out, and admit his fatal mistake in selling to Gillett and Hicks.

"Hicks Junior should resign with immediate effect and it is time that Gillett and Hicks sold up and handed the reigns over to people who understand "The Liverpool Way".

"They are not welcome at Anfield and should name their price and begin negotiations with more suitable investors who can take this great club forward."

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2010/01/10/owner-s-son-tom-hicks-junior-apologises-to-liverpool-fc-fan-for-sending-abusive-email-100252-25566448/

good article, as most echo ones are

[Veinticinco de Mayo]

NO, the asking price for the club at the moment is in excess of £500 million or so we are led to believe

They are looking at selling a 25% stake for £100m, which means they are valuing the club at £400m.

[rachelwilkins]

And they will make more even if we drop to mid table obscurity because the League as a whole will increase in value. Just the same as Everton are worth more now than 2-5 years ago. Everton don't have a new ground and aren't top 4. Everton will be worth more in 2-5 more years as well. Kenwright isn't lowering his asking price for his club either.

Wow, is it safe to say you will be no longer beating the they can't afford to let us drop out of the top 4 it doesn't make sence drum?

[CraigDS]

People seem to be ignoring the long term value of players such as Torres and Gerrard to the club.

Ignoring the footballing ability, they are two of the biggest 'brand names' in world football and therefore they attract sponsors and go a huge way to sell our merchandise.

Yeah sell them and take a very short term profit, but no one is stupid enough to buy the club off past figures when the future would be severely hit by the commercial loss of those two.

[Something Else]

NO, the asking price for the club at the moment is in excess of £500 million or so we are led to believe. With the debt standing at £240million they are looking to make a profit of £130million each, again this is pure speculation by the media. So based on them facts, they are trying to sell a club they bought for £200million for £500million which no one is interested in. The debt is reducing and could reduce greatly if they sold some of our best players. Yes, you are right the club would not be worth as much if they sold some of our better players, but we are looking at the profit they expect to make not what the club is worth. For instance if they sold all our best players and wiped out the debt completely, with the clubs income over the year from outside sources (non football) being in excess of  £50million then the club could still be valued at £300million. One poll had the value of the club at over £1billlion. So you see they can do more or less what they like with this club and still make a handsome profit.

How can you say the clubs valuation is based on speculation then try and use the speculation as facts in the next sentence. The best indicator we have is that £100m gets you 25%. But then I'm insure how accurate it is. Certainly can in no way be described as facts either way

[paranoidmike]

They are looking at selling a 25% stake for £100m, which means they are valuing the club at £400m.

That can't be right surly. If you value something at £400million and you owe £240million, then surly the club unless sold outright would be worth less. The asking price £400million for a club without debt then yes 25% is £100million. If the club was sold tomorrow for £400 million, and we had 3 owners of which one of them had paid £100million for a 25% stake how would you share that out.  If you had a house valued at £200,000 and wanted to sell 25% of it for £50,000 yet still owed £100,000 on the mortgage then the purchaser is taking on part of your debt. Therfore, his percentage would need to be higher or the house valued at £300,000.

[fry]

How can you say the clubs valuation is based on speculation then try and use the speculation as facts in the next sentence. The best indicator we have is that £100m gets you 25%. But then I'm insure how accurate it is. Certainly can in no way be described as facts either way

Suppose its what perspective you look at it, from the banks perspective the club is worth the value of the loan.  From the owners, its the value of the loans + what ever extra they can get.  Anyone comming forward to buy the club must first be able to meet the value of the loan, the rest is just what ever H+G can haggle. 

[paranoidmike]

How can you say the clubs valuation is based on speculation then try and use the speculation as facts in the next sentence. The best indicator we have is that £100m gets you 25%. But then I'm insure how accurate it is. Certainly can in no way be described as facts either way

I say all along it is pure speculation and I based my argument on that speculation.  If £100 million gets you 25% of the club does that make you liable for 25% of the debt aswell.

[CraigDS]

Mate, no one knows the figures, no one knows if they means them taking on the share of the debt, no one knows if the £100m would lower the debt, etc.

And you're also looking at it wrong, the company has the debt, he wouldnt be personally responsible for anything (unless he puts up personal security for the loans). He basically be purchasing part of a company that has debt.

[Something Else]

Suppose its what perspective you look at it, from the banks perspective the club is worth the value of the loan.  From the owners, its the value of the loans + what ever extra they can get.  Anyone comming forward to buy the club must first be able to meet the value of the loan, the rest is just what ever H+G can haggle. 

From the banks perspective the clubs value is the value of the loan. Really. So in the same sense is my house estimated at £160k only worth £90k ad that's my mortgage?

Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay, but I'm pretty certain the bank will ensure the club is worth at a minimum what the loan is, however you can't be sure those figures match

[4pool]

Wow, is it safe to say you will be no longer beating the they can't afford to let us drop out of the top 4 it doesn't make sence drum?

Didn't know i ever did beat that drum.

But the facts remain if we stay in the top 4 we are worth more than if we don't.

The other point is if we fall out of the top 4, we still get this season Uefa monies this summer. It isn't until the summer of  2011 that we "miss out" on the Cl money. So one season out of the CL is not good but not totally a disaster.

Continued mid table finishes doesn't mean the club goes into administration either. Just that budgets are set accordingly. And that means it becomes that much harder to get back into the top 4. Either throw money at it by spending big in the transfer markets or hope your kids come along and become the next Gerrards, Carraghers, McManaman, Fowler, etc. Which may be why Rafa is stocking the youth set up. That and the home grown Academy rule.

[rachelwilkins]

But the facts remain if we stay in the top 4 we are worth more than if we don't.

And they will make more even if we drop to mid table obscurity

 

[Alan_F]

But the facts remain if we stay in the top 4 we are worth more than if we don't.

And they will make more even if we drop to mid table obscurity

 

If you're going to quote someone quote them in context:

And they will make more even if we drop to mid table obscurity because the League as a whole will increase in value. Just the same as Everton are worth more now than 2-5 years ago. Everton don't have a new ground and aren't top 4. Everton will be worth more in 2-5 more years as well. Kenwright isn't lowering his asking price for his club either.

[Franky]

Err, i know what you're trying to do but you've still got it wrong.

They bought the club for just under 200mil off the old shareholders. They are not likely to lose money by selling at 150 mil because they have sold some players.

Just paying off the debt is not enough. They are not going to walk away knowing the club is increasing in value. That revenue streams from new commercial sponsor deals and tv are going up and this means the club is worth more.

The debate over what the club is worth is more than just book value and debt. It also includes future value. And hence why G&H put whatever figure it is on the club. The next owner will realize this potential to make themselves money. G&H aren't going to walk away at "evens" plus 20mil. If they stay, they make more than 20 mil when they sell later on in X years time.

And they will make more even if we drop to mid table obscurity because the League as a whole will increase in value. Just the same as Everton are worth more now than 2-5 years ago. Everton don't have a new ground and aren't top 4. Everton will be worth more in 2-5 more years as well. Kenwright isn't lowering his asking price for his club either.

Yes but they will sell masch in the summer and the following summer they will sell Torres, that's what I said.

[Veinticinco de Mayo]

Yes but they willsell masch in the summer and the following summer they will sell Torres.

Please try and stick to the realms of the known.  Either that or let us all have a go with your crystal ball. 

[goertye]

People seem to be ignoring the long term value of players such as Torres and Gerrard to the club.

Ignoring the footballing ability, they are two of the biggest 'brand names' in world football and therefore they attract sponsors and go a huge way to sell our merchandise.

Yeah sell them and take a very short term profit, but no one is stupid enough to buy the club off past figures when the future would be severely hit by the commercial loss of those two.

I think stevie and nando are probably the main reason the top players consider comingto lfc as well.

[4pool]

But the facts remain if we stay in the top 4 we are worth more than if we don't.
 

Rachel:

The club is worth more to them as the club has risen in value--overall.

If we are midtable--we are worth more than when they bought us.

If we are top 4-- we are obviously worth even more than being outside the top 4.


For instance the Texas Rangers value, since Hicks bought them, has risen over the years. Regardless of the fact they primarily have finished last in their division. This season they just miss out on the playoffs, and the club is now worth even more. And as "luck" would have it for Hicks he is getting more than what was intially thought he could as he is selling them. Why? Because it seems the Rangers are on the up.

Same for Gillett and the Canadiens. He is making money selling them regardless of the fact it's been years since they won something.

Which is why i pointed out Everton and Kenwright. Everton are worth more now than a few years ago and will be worth even more in a few years time if they maintain mid table status. If they make the top 4, kenwright could make even more selling them. If they drop down into the Championship, Kenwright will make money on them from his first purchase of them. Obviously to Kenwright and Everton, the better they do the better for them as to their "worth".

Same for us. If we stay in the top 4 and win something we are worth more than if we don't. If in a year or two we won the Double of the League and Champions League we will be worth way more.

So the worth of the club is dependant on where how successfull we are. G&H full well know that.


All boats rise with the tide. Some are prettier and more expensive.

[liddellpool]

On the point in question...the emails. I wonder if the club will give an official response.

In the meantime, perhaps we should ask Standard Chartered, Adidas, and other sponsors how they think a club director associated with their name thinks.

[Redguard]

This club, just like any other business, is only worth what someone is willing to pay.

£500m and no takers to date.

More debt, more uncertainty, no CL and no new stadium would perhaps suggest that this club is going in the wrong direction for future owners.

Only my opinion.

[Alan_F]

On the point in question...the emails. I wonder if the club will give an official response.

In the meantime, perhaps we should ask Standard Chartered, Adidas, and other sponsors how they think a club director associated with their name thinks.

I read somewhere they will be holding some kind of investigation at the club tomorrow.

[paranoidmike]

On the point in question...the emails. I wonder if the club will give an official response.

In the meantime, perhaps we should ask Standard Chartered, Adidas, and other sponsors how they think a club director associated with their name thinks.

Not a very good Idea.

[xerxes1]

Regarding the e mail, its a side show.

Regarding the sale "value", not a single offer has been confirmed by either a purchaser or by the club since G&H bought us.

[liddellpool]

Not a very good Idea.

why?

[Alan_F]

why?

For my part I agree with him. The Standard Chartered deal runs for a few years and hopefully longer than H&G are the owners. Fucking up the long term future of the club seems pointless. The point of all the protests is to get Hicks & Gillett to sell up. With the SC deal in place there's more chance of that.

[Humble Red]

Here is an email I sent Hicks Jr. I will post any reply if I get one!!

Afternoon Mr. Hicks. I am writing this email in response to a communication you have sent a fellow Liverpool fan. I understand that you will receive many emails asking or indeed demanding an explanation so I will be patient when awaiting a reply to this email.
 
I have been a Liverpool fan since being able to walk and care deeply about my wonderful club. In recent times, I have become increasingly worried about the direction the club is going. Football is, without question, becoming more of a business for many individuals and organisations but it has and always will remain a source of passion and commitment for the fan. Since Liverpool FC was bought out I feel as though the relationship between owners and fans has become increasingly distant and this worries me greatly. I am not sure that the owners of LFC fully understand what this club means to its army of dedicated fans, an opinion that does seem to have been validated by your insensitive email to Mr Horner recently.
 
I would like to know if the opinions of LFC fans ever feature highly when formulating and reviewing strategy connected with the club. Whilst I do accept that big clubs in the modern game must be commercially astute, if this pursuit of a high return means disregarding the interests of the fan base then ultimately the venture will turn sour and then it will fail.
 
Whilst I accept the fact that both your father and Mr Gillette have experience in running sports teams, I do believe that in Liverpool they and all those associated with them have gravely miscalculated. Unlike teams in America, you could not just relocate to another city for financial gain, indeed just moving postcodes is an extremely contentious issue. So in taking over Liverpool, you and your colleagues have taken responsibility for something that forms a huge part of many people's lives. With this huge amount of power came an enormous amount of responsibility and I believe you have squandered this.
 
The number of instances where those at the top of our club have been caught lying and disrespecting our faithful fans is, quite frankly, embarrassing for all involved. Liverpool FC has one of the proudest histories in world football and you and your colleagues are making a mockery of all of us and our club.
 
I am now appealing to any sense of decency and self respect that you, your father and Mr Gillette may have left when I ask that you seriously consider selling the club to somebody that will respect the proud history and tradition of Liverpool Football Club. If I am to understand correctly, there has been interest shown by a couple of individuals and groups but only in buying Liverpool in full. I also understand that this would provide a decent profit for those involved. I would urge you to consider this option, as I believe if things continue to deteriorate as they have been since your father and his business partner bought our club, the fans will have no other option than to completely boycott games and merchandise connected to the club. If this were to happen, then it would surely damage the commercial worth of LFC.
 
Mr Hicks, given your apparent disregard for the fans of LFC I would like you to consider resigning your post within the club. I find it distasteful that you could consider remaining with a club when you obviously do not understand or respect its fans. To show you have any decency remaining, I believe you must resign with immediate effect.
 
I understand you may not agree with the content of this email, but I would welcome your considered comments.
 
Regards,