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« Reply #120 on: January 7, 2010, 05:19:03 PM »
Perversely there IS a case for a net outflow of players. Firstly there are too many players who will not be able to make a contribution to advancing our club, getting them sold and off the wage bill makes sense.
Secondly, a smaller tighter squad frequently has a better team spirit with the "passengers" abandoned.

Although competition for places can be a good thing, feeling wanted can also be a good thing, which a smaller squad can deliver.

An ongoing problem is the total lack of footballing expertise at Board level to sit down with Rafa and manage the process.Every manager likes to retain players "just in case".

You have to take note of the modern game as well though. Last season Villa had that smaller tighter squad with a good team spirit until they ran out of legs towards the end of the season.

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« Reply #121 on: January 7, 2010, 05:28:07 PM »
it's sad what them 2 have done to our club.
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« Reply #122 on: January 7, 2010, 05:51:03 PM »
it's sad what them 2 have done to our club.
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« Reply #123 on: January 7, 2010, 06:35:38 PM »
Perversely there IS a case for a net outflow of players. Firstly there are too many players who will not be able to make a contribution to advancing our club, getting them sold and off the wage bill makes sense.

I agree, there is a case of getting rid of the dead-wood, Voronin and Dossena are never going to make a contribution, selling them is fine, it will only help the club, this makes perfect sense.

However, I'm not sure that selling Babel makes sense - selling him does weaken the squad, we'd have one fewer player to call on if needed.  it could be argued that if we get Rodriguez as a replacement, we don't really need Babel as we'd have Riera, Yossi, Aquilani, Lucas, Gerrard, Kuyt, Maxi and Aurelio (+Spearing) - 8 players for 5 spaces is sufficient cover really.  but what we would lose is his pace, something the team does lack.  plus, he does still have potential, he only just turned 23.
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« Reply #124 on: January 7, 2010, 07:07:30 PM »
I agree, there is a case of getting rid of the dead-wood, Voronin and Dossena are never going to make a contribution, selling them is fine, it will only help the club, this makes perfect sense.

However, I'm not sure that selling Babel makes sense - selling him does weaken the squad, we'd have one fewer player to call on if needed.  it could be argued that if we get Rodriguez as a replacement, we don't really need Babel as we'd have Riera, Yossi, Aquilani, Lucas, Gerrard, Kuyt, Maxi and Aurelio (+Spearing) - 8 players for 5 spaces is sufficient cover really.  but what we would lose is his pace, something the team does lack.  plus, he does still have potential, he only just turned 23.

How is it? 2 injuries and you're very exposed indeed.
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« Reply #125 on: January 7, 2010, 08:30:31 PM »
How is it? 2 injuries and you're very exposed indeed.

not really (especially not when you consider that it is 9 for 5 spaces as I initially forgot Mascherano... oops)

let's say our first choice midfield would be...

          Aquilani Masch
Maxi        Gerrard      Yossi

you could have two injuries there and you'd have, say, Lucas and Kuyt to come in, with Riera and Spearing on the bench and Aurelio playing in his natural position at left back.  even if it was a very unlikely nightmare scenario and we had four injuries at once, you could put Insua left back, Aurelio in midfield and Spearing would be on the bench;

          Aquilani Aurelio
Kuyt         Lucas      Riera

Even if there were five injuries, we could always play 442...

so I don't think it would be too bad to lose Babel from a squad size point of view.
that said, I wasn't really making that point.  I don't want to lose Babel because I am concerned about our lack of pace and losing one of our few genuinely fast players, plus I think he still has plenty of potential at just 23.
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« Reply #126 on: January 8, 2010, 12:03:55 AM »
However, I'm not sure that selling Babel makes sense - selling him does weaken the squad,

I agree. Rafa's call.I think he has mishandled Ryan, but I think that we are beyond the point of no return for player and club.
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« Reply #127 on: January 8, 2010, 06:12:46 AM »
But the fact is, no matter how it's excused, no matter how it's dressed up, no matter what's happened since... this was their plan from day one.
1.   It’s true that it was always Hicks’ intention to use an LBO on us as that it his modus operandi and because of the tax advantages.
2.   Gillett was the one who promised “no debt on the club”, either because he hadn’t thought it through or because he was the one who fell into “Snoogy Doogy” moments.
3.   The reason they got an easy ride from us (including me) was because it looked like they were putting their own money and integrity on the line, rather than fiscal efficiency. They lied.
4.   I’ve often wondered if Gillett’s statement constituted a verbal contract. It was probably the major factor in deciding the sale. Probably not for a transaction of this size.
i think you will find very few people with enough money to buy a football club who care less for money than for football
5.   Jack Walker was perhaps the last buyer who wasn’t in it for the money, but money can be generated in several ways:
a.   Short-term (dividends or the club paying off debt).
b.   Long-term (by increasing capital value)
c.   Indirectly (as a prestige brand generating returns for the rest of the portfolio).
6.   The problem comes when you’re scrapping on the fringes of the Champions League, between the “Virtuous Circle” described in the club’s prospectus and the “Vicious Circle” discovered by Leeds. The sell to buy policy is a sign of weakness and it makes sense for City, Spurs or Villa to go for our jugular. Spend now, put us out of the game and pick up the spoils later.
7.   We’re hung if we do, hung if we don’t. If we do pick up some expensive players it will only make our level of debt even more unsustainable.
Many people made silly promises in "those" days before the recession.
8.   Hicks and Gillett should never be given the benefit of the doubt. They didn’t understand the game, had no credible business plan (Hicks simply equated revenues with the market value of a club) and the recession only brought in an element of sense which was completely absent previously.

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« Reply #128 on: January 8, 2010, 09:18:31 AM »
Ricardo - I wasn't having a  go at SOS - Just saying that at present other than stopping Hicks entering the ground - that they seem to have very few ideas that can actually HURT those b*stards and weaken their hold on our club.  You say that my idea regarding RBS and MP's have already been tried? Maybe the RBS one was tried before the refinance but we've heard NOTHING since then of attacks on RBS when THEY should be under the most pressure of all because as a publicly owned institution they can be FORCED to give answers IF hammered and with regard to MP's being pressured to question those two we've heard very little at all.  As to my other ideas? Like pressuring David Moores (whose silence is not only deliberate but also legitimises their regime in some ways) the only one whose attacked his despicable actions recently is Steve Morgan.

I think WE via SOS should go RIGHT after him and pressure him/absolutely bombard him in public (on television, local phone ins and radio, with posters around the city with his name and 'crimes' against LFC on it maybe, on leaflets handed out at matches, even camp on his driveway and call him out with a loudspeaker repeatedly) with insults/questions about just WHAT he's done and how bad things are from LFC UNTIL he's so shamed by what he's done/what's being done to HIM that he HAS to respond as the minute he condemns those two jokers in public and PUBLICLY states that selling to them was a terrible error is the minute that the scales will fall from the eyes of ALL our fans - even those who given the two w*nkers the benefit of the doubt (not that they EVER deserved it).   And what about going after them in the US as we did Steve Cohen via our fan groups there?  We've heard nothing of that and there's SO much we could do - we could go after Hicks on HIS local TV stations, radio phone ins, newspapers etc with a BIG story about what's been done in Liverpool to lure their journo's to write about us, we could try and get Steve Nicol to say something about what's been done to our club and HE is a BIG name over there in sporting circles, we could side with the fans of Rangers which Hicks ALSO owns to attack him, we could go after their business partners, sponsors, investors AND potential investors in the UK and US with e-mails, 'doorstepping' with pamphlets/leaflets, letters, phonecalls etc aimed at blackening their name and REMOVING said investors etc from ANY business with them - and in the end I think THIS is what will REALLY hurt them because if you damage their business networks, you affect their income, affect their income and you stop/lessen their 'dividends' and 'stipends' they are paid by their other businesses and THAT is the one thing they WILL listen to - do THIS for long enough and they'll soon come to the negotiating table with their current invulnerability and smugness long since vanished.   

But is ANY of this even being tried? Not so far and that's what I meant when I said I'd been ignored.  IF we did try all these things and get them moving on BOTH sides of the pond and it had NO effect, I'd understand that we'd done our best and failed to move them but the fact is we've hardly tried even HALF the things we could of done yet.  You say about people only going so far and realising that we need to make sacrifices to get them out? Well I think THAT is part of the problem - I don't think Half our fans at least DO recognise what's needed to get them out in terms of self-sacrifice (I don't think that at least quarter of them want to even get the tossers out) and as to only going so far? Well THAT is definitely part of the problem - we can't have limits against them.  Clearly however you dress it up, say they're nice old men who want the best for the club, believe the party line or whatever else you want to say about it, when it comes right down to it - THEY are obviously very nasty pieces of work who DELIBERATELY disregarded ANY recognised ethics, niceties, levels of restraint OR self imposed limits in acquiring us and screwing us as they are and the only thing they're willing to do to lessen that nastiness is to moderate it IN PUBLIC so as to convince the idiot masses of our fans (as they see them) that no, really, they're not that bad after all when really? They abandoned ANY idea of self restraint or regulation on their actions long ago (being restrained/stopped is pure poison to them and the one thing they DO NOT want -  That's why a legal challenge against the LBO which is the very basis of their ownership MIGHT remove them if they lose AND why they're desperate for MP'S not to turn on them and also why we SHOULD be making an unholy din in the local and national media and FORCING them to note this story and attack those two in detail rather than just ignoring them as they currently are but are we?).  With all this in mind, I think the time is LONG past for us (and I include SOS in that) fans to abandon ANY idea of restraint and wage all out guerilla war to get them out ASAP.  I was just trying to say that - that's all.

To conclude, I think that If the Corinthians fanbase are FAR smaller than us in Number and yet they managed to remove Hicks with concerted action for a few months (and I mean no-rules, anything goes out and out Guerilla warfare against him) then WHY can't we do the same to him AND Gillette?  Either way we need to do SOMETHING and soon or this month's debacle re transfers will be just the tip of the iceberg after all IF they know (and they must do by now) that we're CRYING out for re-investment so we can challenge for and win stuff and make Serious money as a return on their so-called investment and yet they're STILL taking much needed money from the team and investing not a penny then What more are they capable of? and just WHAT will they do when things get REALLY bad? I shudder to think what depths they'd descend to then but with them Anything bad is possible and what's more worrying, likely as well.................................

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« Reply #129 on: January 8, 2010, 10:37:49 AM »
I know you weren't having a go RedShadow77. Just trying to explain some of the processes with SOS. Some good ideas you have mentioned there that would work with support. Not meaning to make excuses, but some of them wont get the support or haven't had the support. Some of those things are getting looked into and getting worked on as well.

We had the dealings with RBS which they answered us over, which you wouldn't expect any banks to talk about the dealings with a company like the way they did regardless of what was done, but they did. More action could be taken against them, but then you always have to balance it with the support it would draw when planning anything. Some want them out at al costs, others don't want to affect any finances that are there. So you have to always balance these things out when organising anything. Similarly when attacking any investors. If I remember right (was before I was on the committee) but SOS attempted to block phone lines for certain companies, which did have an affect on business, but was agreed afterwards that it probably wasn't the best course of action to continue at the time. Maybe its something that could be revisited or something similar. Through our efforts a group of MPs tabled motions to the House of Commons about the loans and how it was affecting the regeneration of Anfield, but the line was that the government, even though they bailed RBS out, wouldn't get involved in their dealings with it.

With regards to attacking Hicks and Gillett in America, with talking to people and other relevant parties previously, in terms of what is required there is not much else to do to damage their reputation further particularly Hicks. If you look at the Rangers as well, despite everything Hicks has done to them all they do is speak out in the press occasionally but there is no organised action. The mindset is different with their fans. So once again its that balance of everything. We could go all out attack, but then alienate people in the process and then get a situation like at United which has seen massive increases in ticket prices and other things which have pushed out supporters and with those that originally protested mainly at FC United now, there isn't anyone to speak out.

There will be more leaflets done and there will be more things done as part of the not welcome campaign including stuff like the videos that have been done already for things like the protests. But things like that need to be spread round by each other as well though to get the word further out.

With the media, we always try to get the coverage that is needed in everything we do. Sometimes we will get it, other times not. Its down to the press if they feel they want to cover it at the time, so we need to keep coming up with original ideas to keep this high in the agenda despite the owners 'buying' us in 2007. It has been looked at before about trying to get messages out on media in the USA as well, but even though Hicks reputation particularly is tarnished over there, not many would be willing to support any campaign against him, mainly due to his families association with media companies for many years. There are some Dallas journalists who will speak out against him and we try to give them information about any protests etc that they may want to cover.

On the Fit and Proper Person's test, it has been looked at many times before. The problem is it is quite flimsy. Unless new conditions were brought in there is not much that would be said about the purchase being an LBO. Think this if anything could be more likely to come from UEFA which Platini has already alluded to that they are talking about it. There is a great article by David Conn at the Guardian about how things have developed in the premiership regarding all of this here http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/david-conn-inside-sport-blog/2009/dec/23/noughties-decade-review-football-money.

With regards to Corinthians. Its not very well reported about what they actually did. Think a lot of it though was down to the Business Model failing as they worked on many more millions of fans getting involved and paying in to Corinthians, something which would never happen to the level they wanted in Brazil. They still hanging on by their skin of their teeth to some sort of model here. Also, the level of militancy in Brazil would be higher to that of here. SOS could also never promote anything too drastic, dangerous or violent, but then we can't control what individuals want to do as well.

Throughout all this as well, SOS is there as a strong base to initiate different protests, try and educate people about the situation we are in and more, but that does not mean that people have to wait for SOS to act before they follow or just comment. Many small bits of action or even larger action can be organised by anyone, be it here in Liverpool, in USA or just on the net. Whether it be involving Moores, Hicks or Gillett personally or aimed at something else. This is a very important point.

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« Reply #130 on: January 8, 2010, 11:00:35 AM »
I agree. Rafa's call.I think he has mishandled Ryan, but I think that we are beyond the point of no return for player and club.
Benitez has far more idea of what Babel's worth is to the team than you or I do, so I don;t see how you can blithely assert that he has mishandled the player.  He sees him day in day out in training, talks with him, has a better idea than we can possibly have of his mental state and, as we all can, sees how crap he is whenever he's been given a chance.  The sooner we ship him back to Ajax the better for all concerned.  His loss wouldn't weaken our squad one iota

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« Reply #131 on: January 8, 2010, 11:27:19 AM »
The "fit and proper" owner test is a joke, look at Pompey, one skint owner to the other.
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« Reply #132 on: January 8, 2010, 11:42:40 AM »
The "fit and proper" owner test is a joke, look at Pompey, one skint owner to the other.

Exactly. And United. Depends what you define as being fit and proper for football then City and Chelsea could come into that category as well.

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« Reply #133 on: January 8, 2010, 12:34:17 PM »
OK Ricardo I hear and understand now - You're trying to do what you can but at present are handicapped by A:) Lack of sufficiently educated numbers to REALLY attack the owners and B:) The laws of this nation and the US (although you say  they HAVE bad reputations over there but no-one's acted? Maybe WE could provide the leadership FOR such action if arranged correctly). Laws which moreover, are MUCH stricter than those in Brazil especially against just the sort of outright militancy we WILL need to rid ourselves of them.  The thing is I think IF we are able to use multiple ideas (from me and others) all together like going after them in our and their media, Forcing a response from RBS and getting say Moores to denounce them in Public ALL at once - It MIGHT really damage them and rock them like never before if not fatally damage their regime.  I think a combined attack from several directions would not only scare them but might also FINALLY decide them into going.  Myself? Well, personally I think their MAIN weaknesses are in TWO areas;  I think that IF we can really get at their business partners/sponsors/associates etc as we did those of Steve Cohen and cause them to abandon them one by one (this is the ONE area that they haven't been TOUCHED in in the US - yes they may already have a bad rep' over there but no-one's acted against them over it and certainly no-ones gone after their allies) IF we can do this it will REALLY hurt them in the pocket and if they know it's us doing it they might think twice about owning Liverpool FC. 

The other area I think we can and SHOULD attack them in is not just over this fit and proper persons test but also the whole basis of their ownership - If the Manchester City owner Thaksin Shinawatra can be removed over his Human Rights Record and yet they allow someone like Abramovich who for all we know has a far WORSE record at Chelsea to stay in place then SURELY there is a gap in their defences SOMEWHERE that would allow us not just to get at them legally but REMOVE them using the laws of this country?  I think there IS such a gap and it MAY have something to do with their method of buying us AND their lies combined together as well as their business practises (or lack thereof) since.  But I'll have to investigate further before I can say anymore on this.  But put it this way - I'm pretty sure there IS a way for them to be removed buried deep within English Law SOMEWHERE - there often seems to be gaps in the law that allow people to get what they want in any OTHER area of English Law so why not this?  As this is the ONLY successful method (via law) by which I've seen club owners removed in recent years (the above mentioned Pompey Owner and the Thai ex National Criminal at Man City), I think it offers our best way of Finally ridding ourselves of them as they can hold on by the skin of their teeth as much as they like but they CAN'T ignore an English Court Judgement against them can they? As I say though, it will require a good deal of further investigation before more can be done in this area though.  Maybe, just maybe our much derided system of law in this country MIGHT just provide us with the chink in their hitherto invincible ownership armour that we so desperately Need to get rid of them - As ever with such subjects though, time will tell, sooner or later, Time WILL tell.................................................................

NB: Thanks for the e-mail addy and I'll TRY and either contact SOS via that or if not as my e-mails currently thinking it's funny to go on and off I'll find You on here and forward anything else I find that Might help us in the fight against the twin horrors.

NNB: To the person who posted on here that Spurs, Villa and City can and will spend now and put us ''out of the picture'' as regards the CL, erm no they won't.  Either we WILL go on a great run in the second half of the season (may even have started one such now) and pass them as time, injuries and the season catch up with them (Especially if we take points from the other 2 as we did Villa) OR they'll fall down NEXT season (remember Everton in 2006 and Newcastle in 2004?) when they HAVE to qualify again via the League in addition to contesting the CL (IF they pass the qualifier), the FA Cup, League Cup ALL in the same season.  There's no WAY that ANY of those 3 clubs (despite City's) money will have either our experience OR the resources to qualify a second season in a row against a Liverpool side hell bent on requalifying as they'll not have as good a season as they have now again for a LONG while AND they'll have us and whoever else doesn't qualify to deal with as well as the above listed competitions.  I guarantee you IF we don't qualify this season, we WILL next - do you know why? Exhaustion, that's why - whoever qualifies WILL probably think that's it done the job, as WE did after challenging for the title last season (and look at the mess we're in this year and no, it's NOT all to do with Alonso's loss) and when faced with a resurgent us (and we WILL be as our team will be settled again next season if I know Rafa'; Aquilani Will settle in Alonso's place, Chamakh/Ngog or both will replace Robbie Keane and I'm sure Rafa' will replace Sami somehow to so we Might be a similar strength to last year with a bit of luck), their other opponents and the HUGE schedule of games they WILL have next year with CL games added? They'll collapse and we'll pass them easily - just you wait and see if I'm wrong or not.  I'd almost stake money that I'm not.
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« Reply #134 on: January 8, 2010, 12:50:30 PM »
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« Reply #135 on: January 8, 2010, 02:31:58 PM »
Cheers for the emails Ricardo mate but as I said - I'm having problems currently with my e-mail working at all so any responses/information I find or give will probably take the form of posts on here in order to get them to you as my e-mails been playing up for months now.
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« Reply #136 on: January 8, 2010, 02:49:00 PM »
Cheers for the emails Ricardo mate but as I said - I'm having problems currently with my e-mail working at all so any responses/information I find or give will probably take the form of posts on here in order to get them to you as my e-mails been playing up for months now.

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« Reply #137 on: January 8, 2010, 03:01:31 PM »
I agree. Rafa's call.I think he has mishandled Ryan, but I think that we are beyond the point of no return for player and club.

According to 5Live this morning, Rafa said he doesn't want to sell Babel.
He's probably got five months to prove he is a Liverpool player or he will be off in the summer
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« Reply #138 on: January 8, 2010, 03:03:36 PM »
According to 5Live this morning, Rafa said he doesn't want to sell Babel.
He's probably got five months to prove he is a Liverpool player or he will be off in the summer

Birmingham’s offer failed to meet Liverpool’s valuation, but it was also turned down because manager Rafael Benitez has been told any funds generated by sales in January will not be available to reinvest in new signings during the transfer window.

http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2010/01/08/liverpool-fc-andrea-dossena-completes-napoli-move-as-maxi-rodriguez-deal-nears-92534-25552061/?

dont blame him for not selling

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« Reply #139 on: January 8, 2010, 09:01:04 PM »
Ricardo - to be honest and I don't want to be accused of s**t stirring here as I've said the same thing MANY times before - I think as those owners are as stubborn as they come AND as any legal challenge will take time and effort (to say nothing of money) to be successful.  I do think that eventually a few of our fans ARE going to totally lose their rag and blow their tops completely and that all matters ownerish will as a consequence of this get not just VERY nasty indeed, but also most probably violent as well.  I'm sorry, really sorry to say that but I just personally can't see Anything else giving them the push needed to get out and get out now as they'll hang on until Armageddon and the fall of man/ride of the 4 horsemen if left alone and I think it WILL therefore get VERY bad indeed before they're FINALLY forced to go.
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Re: Liverpool Transfer Bonanza - Sell 4, Get one free!‏
« Reply #140 on: January 8, 2010, 11:48:14 PM »
Birmingham’s offer failed to meet Liverpool’s valuation, but it was also turned down because manager Rafael Benitez has been told any funds generated by sales in January will not be available to reinvest in new signings during the transfer window.

http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2010/01/08/liverpool-fc-andrea-dossena-completes-napoli-move-as-maxi-rodriguez-deal-nears-92534-25552061/?

dont blame him for not selling
That's not clear to me. Does that mean he wouldn't get the reputed 9m in Jan OR he wouldn't get the 9m + "normal transfer budget" in the summer ?


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« Reply #141 on: January 9, 2010, 05:05:48 PM »
G&H out.


Wait until Jan 31st though - think Rafa has some serious deals on the back-burner.

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« Reply #142 on: January 9, 2010, 05:21:29 PM »
That's not clear to me. Does that mean he wouldn't get the reputed 9m in Jan OR he wouldn't get the 9m + "normal transfer budget" in the summer ?




According to this quote from Rafa, Babel wants to stay at Liverpool

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/rb-on-transfers-and-snow
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Re: Liverpool Transfer Bonanza - Sell 4, Get one free!‏
« Reply #143 on: January 9, 2010, 08:13:54 PM »
According to this quote from Rafa, Babel wants to stay at Liverpool
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/rb-on-transfers-and-snow
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« Reply #144 on: January 9, 2010, 09:24:42 PM »

From The Sunday Times
January 10, 2010
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Rafael Benítez fears club may sell Fernando Torres

RAFAEL BENITEZ fears he might not be given any cash raised by selling Ryan Babel to reinvest in the transfer market and concedes, for the first time, that he is not certain Liverpool’s hierarchy would reject a ‘silly money’ bid for Fernando Torres.

In September, Benitez said Torres was “not for sale at any price” but Liverpool’s continuing financial impasse appears to have altered his stance. Benitez is still confident of keeping Torres — and his captain, Steven Gerrard — even if Liverpool fail to finish in the top four, but when pressed on whether an extraordinary offer, such as a £100m bid for Torres, would be rejected automatically he said “we would have conversations if we had to decide about this”. This contrasts with his answer when the same question was put to him in November, when Benitez said: “It won’t happen, I’d quit.”

Rumours that Manchester City are planning a £75m-plus move for Torres continue to surface, but the notion that the striker could leave Anfield, where he is contracted until 2013 and where he has declared himself happy, is hypothetical for now. Of more immediate concern is Benitez’s hint that any sum garnered from a sale involving Babel could go towards balancing the club’s books, rather than be spent on new players.

Though refinancing has lowered Liverpool’s debts to about £200m, plus a £37m ‘soft costs’ facility connected to plans for a new stadium, US owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett had hoped by now to have halved that deficit by selling a 25% stake in their club. Despite a long worldwide search, the hunt for investors who will buy into Liverpool at that price has proved fruitless. This situation has put significant transfer investment on hold. Liverpool were prepared to sell Babel to Birmingham for £9m on Thursday until the player rejected the move.

“I’m not sure,” Benitez said when asked if he would be allowed to spend money raised from selling Babel. Some transfer business the Spaniard does expect to conclude is the purchase of Argentina forward Maxi Rodriguez, from Atletico Madrid, for £1.5m. Rodriguez, a wide player with an impressive scoring record, has been in dispute with Ateltico and his move to Liverpool is being held up by a wrangle over possible severance payments. The purchase of Rodriguez is being financed from the sale of Andrea Dossena to Napoli for £4.2m and Benitez also hopes to make about £2m from selling Andriy Voronin to Dinamo Moscow. That money, at least, is earmarked for the transfer budget.

Despite his fiscal worries, Benitez remains extraordinarily confident he can still pilot Liverpool to a top four finish. Indeed, he suggested going even higher is possible, despite the nine-point gap between themselves and third-placed Arsenal. “We can reduce the gap if we start winning games. If we cannot, we will have to think about the top four but if we can, why not finish higher?”

Benitez even refused to rule out winning the title. “The difference is big but you never know,” he said. “Why do I have belief? Because I think we have a good team.”

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Re: Liverpool Transfer Bonanza - Sell 4, Get one free!‏
« Reply #145 on: January 9, 2010, 09:44:27 PM »
Waste of words and punctuation that article.

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Re: Liverpool Transfer Bonanza - Sell 4, Get one free!‏
« Reply #146 on: February 5, 2010, 12:54:02 AM »

Liverpool FC sell Nikolay Mihaylov to FC Twente for £1.5million

By James Pearce

LIVERPOOL have banked £1.5million from the sale of goalkeeper Nikolay Mihaylov to FC Twente. The 21-year-old Bulgarian arrived at Anfield from Levski Sofia in 2007 but never made a first team appearance for the Reds.

He has been sent out on loan to Dutch outfit Twente for the past three seasons and now the move has been made permanent. Former England coach Steve McClaren, who is boss of the Eredivisie joint leaders, sees Mihaylov as the perfect long-term replacement for veteran Sander Boschker.

The sale of Mihaylov means the Reds banked over £6million during the January transfer window with Andriy Voronin and Andrea Dossena also moving on. None of it was spent on strengthening the squad with Maxi Rodriguez, who was snapped up on a free transfer from Atletico Madrid, the only new arrival.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2010/02/04/liverpool-fc-sell-nikolay-mihaylov-to-fc-twente-for-1-5million-92534-25766236/
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Re: Liverpool Transfer Bonanza - Sell 4, Get one free!‏
« Reply #147 on: February 5, 2010, 01:09:51 AM »
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Re: Liverpool Transfer Bonanza - Sell 4, Get one free!‏
« Reply #148 on: February 5, 2010, 08:09:46 AM »
Liverpool FC sell Nikolay Mihaylov to FC Twente for £1.5million

By James Pearce

LIVERPOOL have banked £1.5million from the sale of goalkeeper Nikolay Mihaylov to FC Twente. The 21-year-old Bulgarian arrived at Anfield from Levski Sofia in 2007 but never made a first team appearance for the Reds.

He has been sent out on loan to Dutch outfit Twente for the past three seasons and now the move has been made permanent. Former England coach Steve McClaren, who is boss of the Eredivisie joint leaders, sees Mihaylov as the perfect long-term replacement for veteran Sander Boschker.

The sale of Mihaylov means the Reds banked over £6million during the January transfer window with Andriy Voronin and Andrea Dossena also moving on. None of it was spent on strengthening the squad with Maxi Rodriguez, who was snapped up on a free transfer from Atletico Madrid, the only new arrival.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2010/02/04/liverpool-fc-sell-nikolay-mihaylov-to-fc-twente-for-1-5million-92534-25766236/

Read about the sale of Nikolay Mihaylov  a few days back thought it was £2m ? any way we must have banked about £8m not £6m this transfer window with Maxi on a free ... over the last few transfer windows i reckon its about 20 out and 10 in  ....
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Re: Liverpool Transfer Bonanza - Sell 4, Get one free!‏
« Reply #149 on: February 5, 2010, 08:45:33 AM »
I know the overall situation runs much deeper but...

referrring to the thread title and considering the players we've sold and the player we got on a free, I'd say we've actually done pretty well. Obviously it remains to be seen how Maxi's time here will pan out.
also, If this policy of getting rid of deadweights and snapping up potentially quality on free's had been employed more often in the past, the chances are we wouldn't be in this 'American Idiots' ownership situation in the first place.
It's simplified view I know but I feel it holds some water.
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Re: Liverpool Transfer Bonanza - Sell 4, Get one free!‏
« Reply #150 on: February 5, 2010, 10:46:16 AM »
I know the overall situation runs much deeper but...

referrring to the thread title and considering the players we've sold and the player we got on a free, I'd say we've actually done pretty well. Obviously it remains to be seen how Maxi's time here will pan out.
also, If this policy of getting rid of deadweights and snapping up potentially quality on free's had been employed more often in the past, the chances are we wouldn't be in this 'American Idiots' ownership situation in the first place.
It's simplified view I know but I feel it holds some water.

And we would have been nowhere near as competitive. If (and it's a big IF) this is how we continue as a club, the fans are gonna have to get used to mid table finishes. A top squad will contain signings from all areas, big money, frees, cheap youth with potential, experienced players with only a year or two left.
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Re: Liverpool Transfer Bonanza - Sell 4, Get one free!‏
« Reply #151 on: February 5, 2010, 01:32:16 PM »
And we would have been nowhere near as competitive. If (and it's a big IF) this is how we continue as a club, the fans are gonna have to get used to mid table finishes. A top squad will contain signings from all areas, big money, frees, cheap youth with potential, experienced players with only a year or two left.

agree 100%
I'm referring directly to this thread, the 4 that've gone, replaced by the one we've got ia surely a good bit of dealing.
there is no need to just go out and spend the money we've made (even if it was allowed by the hillbillys) just because it's there.
Keep hold of the cash until one of the  'big money, cheap youth with potential, experienced players with only a year or two left' are available.
knee jerk spending just because we have a little brass is pointless, surely?
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Re: Liverpool Transfer Bonanza - Sell 4, Get one free!‏
« Reply #152 on: February 5, 2010, 01:42:35 PM »
Liverpool FC sell Nikolay Mihaylov to FC Twente for £1.5million

By James Pearce

LIVERPOOL have banked £1.5million from the sale of goalkeeper Nikolay Mihaylov to FC Twente. The 21-year-old Bulgarian arrived at Anfield from Levski Sofia in 2007 but never made a first team appearance for the Reds.

He has been sent out on loan to Dutch outfit Twente for the past three seasons and now the move has been made permanent. Former England coach Steve McClaren, who is boss of the Eredivisie joint leaders, sees Mihaylov as the perfect long-term replacement for veteran Sander Boschker.

The sale of Mihaylov means the Reds banked over £6million during the January transfer window with Andriy Voronin and Andrea Dossena also moving on. None of it was spent on strengthening the squad with Maxi Rodriguez, who was snapped up on a free transfer from Atletico Madrid, the only new arrival.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2010/02/04/liverpool-fc-sell-nikolay-mihaylov-to-fc-twente-for-1-5million-92534-25766236/

Makes you livid. Rafa's brought in about £65m these past 12 months and what have we spent? £7m up front on Aquilani, £7m on Johnson and peanuts on Soto and co.
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« Reply #153 on: February 5, 2010, 02:32:43 PM »
Since Jovanovic thread is locked I thought I'd post it in here.
Namely, a reliable Serbian website claims we have secured the contract and that he is to fly in on Monday to sign it.
His agent Dejan Joksimovic says: " That's the only truth. Lane (Milan's nickname) will go through a medical on Monday, Feb 8th. If everything turns out well, and there is no reason to doubt it, he'll be wearing a red shirt in summer"

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« Reply #154 on: February 5, 2010, 02:39:53 PM »
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« Reply #155 on: February 5, 2010, 02:46:08 PM »
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there's always google translate.com :)

On a serious note, the rest of the article says what we all already knew. He was about to sign, then some reports appeared that denied that and basically that's all. I thought the agent thing is the most important. However, it's still a mistery why he has two agents...

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Re: Liverpool Transfer Bonanza - Sell 4, Get one free!‏
« Reply #156 on: February 5, 2010, 02:55:31 PM »
On a serious note, the rest of the article says what we all already knew. He was about to sign, then some reports appeared that denied that and basically that's all. I thought the agent thing is the most important. However, it's still a mistery why he has two agents...
They're double agents...
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« Reply #157 on: February 5, 2010, 03:02:43 PM »
They're double agents...
Lets just hope double doesn't mean trouble

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« Reply #158 on: February 5, 2010, 03:09:32 PM »
Makes you livid. Rafa's brought in about £65m these past 12 months and what have we spent? £7m up front on Aquilani, £7m on Johnson and peanuts on Soto and co.

Come on!!! creative accountancy again, all of that £65m has been paid within the last 12 months has it?

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« Reply #159 on: February 5, 2010, 03:12:07 PM »
Read about the sale of Nikolay Mihaylov  a few days back thought it was £2m ? any way we must have banked about £8m not £6m this transfer window with Maxi on a free ... over the last few transfer windows i reckon its about 20 out and 10 in  ....

Maxi was on a free but £1.5m of our budget went on his wages.